December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls
by x 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:53 AM 12/8/98 +0200, Tim Griffiths wrote: > >x wrote: >> >> This brings to mind again a method of distribution that I've thought for >> some time and has probably been discussed on this list before... >> For (a trivial) example take the image of PGP zipped up for download. >> Three different sites create a unique portion of that image for >> themselves, for example, each site takes every third byte, and throw >> in some additional obfuscation...It then is trivial to reconstruct >> the desired image from the independent sources, while none of the >> sources themselves can be subject to controls without having to go >> down the rat hole of having to define what really constitutes the >> restricted material... > >1. What is the point of the obfuscation? If it's not legal to do it >openly, then it's certainly not legal to hide the fact your doing it. >"The accused did it in such a way as to demonstrate that he was aware >of it's illegality". the point is not to hide anything; the point is to expand, arbitrarily (and this was a trivial example), the f() that takes bits from a controllable image to one that is not. > >2. By your example, you could also take a cruise missile apart, and >ship each part separately. After all, none of it is actually a missile. in a cruise missle, there will be certain parts -- e.g. the warhead explosives? -- that are still identifiable as controlled. taking apart the missle by n people where n is the number of 'parts' will result in some subset of participants possessing components that implicate them in an illegal act. this is simply not true of bits. What is the bit sequence that defines "munition"-ness? My point is that there is no hard point at which that can be defined, when you start talking about mappings from a controlled image to some other images which cannot be controlled. > >However I 'export' PGP from the US, I'm exporting it, even if I have a >web site for each bit, 0 or 1 being determined by whether Clinton has >a cigar or not in a posted picture. You're just asserting the assumptions I am trying to examine, and this is not helpful. You're also assuming a single participant, with accountability. I am assuming multiple participants, and that they're acting independently; let's expand this to say that one individual provides the 'algorithm' for the mapping, and any other participants are free to obtain their image out of band legally, and implement this algorithm on some portion of the image, publishing the result. Whom do you arrest? Where is the culpability? If the algorithm defines that there be 256K subimages of the original, one for each byte, say...can I be arrested for choosing to post f(byte 123,456)? Or do I get arrested for publishing f(byte 123,456) PLUS the information that identifies this byte as corresponding to byte 123,456 in the reconstruction of the original? I honestly don't know where this goes, but to just make a blanket statement like you did doesn't really add anything. >Yes, the law is inconsistent (let alone stupid). Not, I wouldn't want >to try this and expect to be immune from prosecution. > >Tim G > >-- >Tim Griffiths griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il >Center for Submicron Research http://tim01.ex.ac.uk >Weizmann Institute of Science (972)-8-934-2736 >Rehovot 76100 Israel > > 'I have sat and listened to the arguments of men, > and I tell you they are shallow movements in space > tied to reality only by the ego of their minds.' -DF > > >

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RE: y2k/gary north delusions
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sure he did. However, geography was not accomodating, and there is at least one point where a major aqueduct is pumped over a ridge. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Hettinga [SMTP:rah@shipwright.com] > At 11:07 AM -0500 on 12/7/98, Trei, Peter wrote: > > I suspect that Los Angeles, and other cities > > which have grown recently in arid areas, would > > have a lot more trouble. > > Actually, Mulholland knew what gravity was, as well. :-). > > Cheers, > Robert Hettinga >

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last spam on this subject. The rest is up to you. Cheers, Robert Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: jya(a)pop.pipeline.com Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:09:04 -0500 To: cypherpunks(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com X-Loop: ssz.com X-Language: English, Russian, German Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Precedence: first-class Reply-To: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net In response to John Gilmore's call for a foil to US-Wassenaar restrictions acoming, we've put up a preliminary list of international cryptography sources for mirroring: http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm This is a quick starter-kit and is far from comprehensive. Contributions welcome. Ken Williams offers an impressive (177MB) crypto/stego archive: http://www.genocide2600.com/~tattooman/cryptography/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Wassenaar and the dumming of New Zealand
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 10:13:56 +1300 Reply-To: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wassenaar and the dumming of New Zealand See Peter Gutmens contribution at http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/. NZ's very peculiar interpretation of Wassenaar "Export Control Myths and Facts", http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/myths.html. Its a rich source of matter on the subject. Cheers Blair Anderson (Blair(a)technologist.com) International Consultant in Electronic Commerce, Encryption and Electronic Rights Management "Techno Junk and Grey Matter" 50 Wainoni Road, Christchurch, New Zealand phone 64 3 3894065 fax 64 3 3894065 Member Digital Commerce Society of Boston, Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, ---------------------------- Caught in the Net for 25 years ---------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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DCSB: Ira Heffan and Mike Schmelzer; "Software Patents" and Digital Commerce
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:02:59 -0500 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: DCSB: Ira Heffan and Mike Schmelzer; "Software Patents" and Digital Commerce Cc: Ira Heffan <heffan(a)tht.com>, Mike Schmelzer <schmelze(a)tht.com>, Roland Mueller <roland(a)secunet.com>, "Jonathan J. Rusch" <rusch1(a)erols.com> Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Ira Heffan and Mike Schmelzer Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP "Software Patents" and Digital Commerce Tuesday, January 5th, 1999 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Although the very idea of patenting software seems to be an anathema to much of the programming community, patents on software continue to stream out of the U.S. Patent Office. Everyone involved in digital commerce applications, which are by definition software-based, probably has heard about recent events: The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit decided "State Street Bank & Trust Co. v. Signature Financial Group," which explicitly ratified patenting methods of doing business, and a spate of well-publicized patents have issued claiming to cover such concepts as the virtual shopping cart and the reverse auction. As a prerequisite to discussing these recent developments, the first part of our talk will provide an introduction to patents. We will explain what patents are and what they are not, and describe the business goals that a patent can serve. Then we will talk about current events, and attempt to put the _State Street_ case in context. We will present a survey of recently-issued patents (suggestions welcome) related to digital commerce, and conclude with some speculation about current trends, including a novel form of software patent with potentially huge implications. Ira Heffan (heffan(a)tht.com) and Mike Schmelzer (schmelze(a)tht.com) are patent attorneys at Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP (http://www.tht.com) We will be presenting our own personal views on this topic, and not the views of Testa, Hurwitz & Thibeault, LLP or its clients. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, January 5, 1999, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, January 2nd, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: February Roland Mueller European Privacy Directive March Jonathan Rusch Internet Fraud We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNmwX/8UCGwxmWcHhAQFfjgf+IBe01g9XCldZYT+GRDI5ho1sOPgL6W7q zLDQToz0GGM/NZzv44SMTSGpDFx80R1yautvy4xHMnYQy2UnvO2WGsfrjuwSdQte 8qxoRAFkihyP/mi/83As2TwWdp6QhwbjI02hyP6elsdSzsspflwwonOB4I+8E/xX UDsGdQH4AHaWrK1S5XYfJSHSRGOBpk2+cqboiGvbcbC1z0vDRGrnztf8GADoPVC3 6vw4M00f+cgIuoaqqO4ol62Os6D+WPVw2NMop20OD62EGzYO2pyQjboPvBLxyRD7 smLz/4S598uLZF0GX+GO/8rCjAORask/Qt3SFIU2HMMPj9nKIvVtJw== =gz6w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: linux-gpib licensing (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From llp-owner(a)obelix.chemie.fu-berlin.de Mon Dec 7 17:59:05 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: obelix.chemie.fu-berlin.de: majordomo set sender to owner-llp using -f Message-ID: <XFMail.981207090304.danny(a)holstein.tritonetd.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.91.981201222534.10972B-100000(a)bragg.chemie.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:48:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Danny G. Holstein" <danny(a)holstein.tritonetd.com> To: Claus Schroeter <clausi(a)chemie.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: linux-gpib licensing Cc: llp(a)obelix.chemie.fu-berlin.de, James Minyard <jminyard(a)lanhopper.com> Sender: owner-llp(a)obelix.chemie.fu-berlin.de Precedence: bulk On 01-Dec-98 Claus Schroeter wrote: >On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, James Minyard wrote: > >> >> I was wondering if you would consider changing the license for the >> libgpib portion of the linux-gpib distribution from GPL to LGPL. >> I'd like to register my thoughts here. I believe the best model to how the GPL can work is how Apache and IBM handled it. IBM wanted to include the server with a system, they were willing to pay but there was no one to pay, in the end, they paid with the only currency that would work, namely, IBM added some code to the Apache server and was allowed to inlude it with their system. Stick with GPL. No one should be able to sell the work of another person as his own, with GPL, one is assured that the cost of using a code is merely that of returning improvements to the code. ...Dan ------- To get more information on the Linux-Lab Project see: http://www.llp.fu-berlin.de/

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Wiretap Operation Sheds Light on LAPD Tactics
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If it is Monday, December 7, 1998, you can go to http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/STATE/topstory.html and read about how Los Angeles police wiretapped a small cellular phone service provider because his policies were too helpful for drug dealers. He didn't try hard enough to verify customer names, he sold cell phones with built in scramblers, he allowed customers to change phones and numbers easily. After years of investigation the company owners were never charged, but a number of their customers were convicted as drug dealers, in many cases never being told about the phone taps. It's an ominous account of how privacy-friendly policies can be used by the police to justify an investigation. If it's after December 7, read the story here: : Los Angeles narcotics officers spent a lot of time spying on John : Lopez and his small storefront telephone company--Atel Cellular : Convinced he was in cahoots with drug dealers by selling secure, : cop-proof phone service--no questions asked--they staked out his : Downey office, tailed his customers and finally wiretapped the : customers' and Atel's phones. : Starting with just his business lines and a handful of customers, : the operation spread like kudzu, eventually covering hundreds of : phones and thousands of conversations and becoming the largest wiretap : operation in the history of Los Angeles County. : When the three-year probe ended in March, police had arrested : dozens of Atel's customers, but not Lopez or any of his employees. : The Atel taps are at the center of the nine-month legal : controversy over whether prosecutors have been improperly concealing : their wiretapping operation and the information derived from it. Also : at issue are charges by defense lawyers representing Atel customers : that the allegations against Atel Cellular are a sham created to win : court orders permitting an electronic fishing expedition against their : clients. : Manager Lopez and Atel's owner, Atil Nath, refused to : comment. Their lawyers say the two men are not involved in drugs. : "The whole concept [of the police wiretap operation] was : preposterous," said Dale Hardeman, a Downey attorney. "How are we : supposed to know if customers are involved in criminal activity?" : Details of the probe--revealed through interviews, police : affidavits, wire monitor logs and volumes of court records--provide a : fascinating inside look at how detectives can mold the legal actions : of a suspect into criminal scenarios and persuade judges to authorize : snooping on people's private conversations. : The probe also raises broader questions, such as whether many of : the reasons given for tapping Atel could just as easily be applied to : other phone companies, and whether wiretaps should be allowed to : continue indefinitely, even when police work for months without : finding enough evidence to arrest the target. : The 4th Amendment protects phone privacy. : : Need for Probable Cause : : To tap a phone, prosecutors have to get a court order by showing : they have sufficient reason, known as probable cause, to believe the : phone subscriber is committing crimes. Even if a subscriber's actions : are legal when considered individually, those actions can amount to : probable cause when viewed as part of a larger picture. : If a tap provides a lead or evidence, prosecutors must reveal the : tap and give transcripts to the defendant before trial. : Though the Atel investigation established strong suspicion among : investigators that Lopez knew he was dealing with drug traffickers, it : fell far short of proving it. But police were getting a steady supply : of leads against his customers as well as new phone numbers of people : they considered suspicious. So they kept going back to court for : extensions and new taps. : Police referred all questions about the case to prosecutors, who : defend the wiretap practice, saying they had sufficient evidence to : suspect Lopez of wrongdoing. : Dist. Atty. Gil Garcetti noted in a prepared statement that the : operation had court approval. He said police targeted Atel because : they believed most of its business was providing phones to drug : dealers without requiring them to provide any personal information. : Superior Court Judge John Ouderkirk, who approved most of the : orders, said he could not discuss pending cases. : Not much is known about Lopez and Nath. Nath lives in a two-story : home in a neat, well-kept neighborhood in Downey. Lopez lives in Pico : Rivera with his wife, Maria, and their children. Both have said in : court papers that they have no criminal record. Their company is one : of about three dozen small phone companies in Los Angeles County that : resell or sublease service and equipment. : Police say the closest they came to showing a direct connection : between Lopez and drugs was during a stakeout at his home when they : saw a man arrive in a pickup truck registered to a member of what they : say is a drug gang. : The investigation grew out of, and, in many ways, was modeled : after a 1994 wiretap of Downey Communications, another small retailer : of phone services. As in the Atel probe, police staked out the : business and collected information for wiretap orders. : During hours of surveillance, they watched customers arrive and : leave. They noticed the types of vehicles they drove. They even took : notes on their manner of dress, eventually deciding that silk floral : shirts, pressed denim, hand-stitched leather belts and expensive : cowboys boots were haute couture on the L.A. drug scene. : Police claimed that Downey leased to drug dealers and was : "heavily involved in the sale and transportation of narcotics." : Officers would later use the same language in Atel affidavits. : The Downey wiretaps lasted a year. They ended in drug and cash : seizures and 12 indictments, including one against the brother of : Downey's owner. But the owners and employees of Downey were not : arrested. The owner said in court papers he was never interviewed by : police, was not aware of the investigation and has never been charged : with a crime. : Police used the Downey Communications probe as a springboard to : Atel. : The connection was tenuous. Downey and Atel customers shared the : same taste in cars and fashion. Downey employees were seen paying : short visits to Delta Tri-Telesis, a now-defunct cellular phone : business owned by Nath and operated by Lopez. : So in September 1995, officers turned their binoculars on Atel, : which had taken Delta's customers. They often saw customers in cars : registered to targets of previous drug probes going to houses once : used as drug "stash" sites and employing what police considered : "counter-surveillance" driving. : : Reports on Surveillance : : Investigators say they saw Lopez use such techniques when they : were tailing him in May 1996, shortly before they started tapping his : business phones. They said they saw him on the freeway changing lanes : erratically and driving "at a high rate of speed in excess of 70 miles : per hour," later making a U-turn on Arrington Avenue and lingering too : long--three minutes--at an intersection. : Police also noted in affidavits that Lopez sold money counters : and phone scramblers; that he apparently didn't care if customers gave : him fictitious names; that he let customers change numbers quickly and : easily. : Drug suspects were frequently found with Atel phones. : Police saw what they considered suspicious calling patterns--too : many calls in a short period of time--among groups of Atel customers. : Although such evidence was far from enough to file charges : against Lopez and Nath, legal experts say it was sufficient as : probable cause for a court order, which was granted in May 1996 for 30 : days. : After a month of wiretapping, Garcetti's prosecutors--armed with : transcripts of tapped phone conversations--were back in court asking : for the first extension of the court order and for permission to tap : new telephone numbers. From then on, requests for extensions built on : previous ones. Police eventually received 19 extensions. : Although the taps provided a mother lode of leads against drug : dealers, they seldom offered much evidence against Atel. There was one : conversation that police described in an affidavit as particularly : damning for Lopez. It was on June 25, 1996, from "Oscar," who had been : under police surveillance. : "Hey John, this number is no good," Oscar tells Lopez. : Lopez: Not good? : Oscar: They're on me again! Right behind. : Lopez: OK, bring it in now! : But most of Lopez's conversations in the affidavits simply : confirmed what police already knew: that customers dealt directly with : Lopez, that Lopez based billing records on phone numbers instead of : names and that he handled billing arrangements by phone. : In contrast, the conversations among customers were : fruitful. Most were cryptic discussions about drug deals, pickup : locations, delivery times, police said. According to investigators, : they never mentioned drugs, using words such as "ladies," "stuff" or : simply a number understood to be an amount of drugs. : For example, in June 1996, police overheard this exchange: : Receiver: How do they look? : Caller: Real good. How many do you have? : Receiver: 40 plus 5 out, plus some lying around. : Caller: OK. I'll hold whatever else I have. : Without interpretation by detectives, there is little indication : that that conversation is about drugs. : By the time the operation ended in March, police had tapped close : to 400 Atel phones. : The wiretap controversy erupted that month because San Diego : attorney Philip DeMassa and two other lawyers discovered that the case : against their clients sprang from information garnered from the Atel : taps and handed off to other officers who were not told of the taps so : they would not have to reveal them to defense lawyers. Later, Deputy : Public Defender Kathy Quant went to court for indigent defendants. : Garcetti acknowledged in June that he withheld tap information in : 58 cases and he agreed to notify defendants about future taps. : Although a judge upheld the wiretap handoff practice last month, with : some qualifications, Quant is considering an appeal. Other defense : lawyers are challenging whether Garcetti has revealed all tap cases. : Whatever the outcome, the probe clearly helped police arrest some : of Atel's customers. It netted large amounts of narcotics, about $8 : million in drug proceeds and dozens of arrests. : Lawyers base their doubts about the investigation of Nath and : Lopez partially on the fact that it lasted three years and police : never tried to interview them. In fact, DeMassa alleges in court : papers that Lopez and Nath are actually police informants or are : perhaps cooperating through a grant of immunity from prosecution, an : assertion prosecutors call absurd. : DeMassa is hoping to show that police misled the courts when they : said they were investigating Lopez and Nath. : If Nath and Lopez were such an integral part of a gigantic drug : trafficking operation, the police should be trying to protect the : public from them, he said. : "Why isn't anything happening to these guys?" he said. : : Acts Were Not Illegal, Critics Say : : None of Atel's acts described in the affidavits was illegal, : Quant and other critics say. Well-known phone companies engage in : many of the same practices, Quant said. If police use the same : standards elsewhere, any companies, especially small retailers, may be : vulnerable to taps. : Many of the actions cited in Atel affidavits are suspicious only : in the eyes of police, Quant said. Money counters are legitimate, and : other firms advertise "no eavesdropping" cell phones because : legitimate businesses need secure communications, she said. : There is nothing suspicious, for example, about high usage of : cell phones, particularly among real estate agents, salespeople, even : news reporters, Quant said. And other small retailers allow people to : change numbers frequently. : Regardless of Atel's guilt or innocence, what police did to Atel : could be done to any legitimate businesses, she said. : Deputy Dist. Atty. Robert Schirn dismissed that notion. : "That's quite a stretch," he said. : "Atel was a facilitator and made it possible for drug dealers to : break the law," he said. : Yet Schirn acknowledged that he could not point to any conclusive : evidence that Nath and Lopez knew that some of their customers were : drug dealers. : He said he didn't know if police tried to persuade defendants to : testify against Nath or Lopez. Even if they did, prosecutors would : need more evidence than the tainted testimony of accomplices to make : an arrest, he said. : As for Atel, Hardeman said his clients had no idea some of their : customers were criminals. : "This investigation has virtually destroyed them," he said.

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Re: (fwd) Markus Kuhn on eternity
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Markus Kuhn writes: > The main research aspect of this project is the joint administration of > such distributed archives. For spam protection, you still need people > who decide, which files are allowed on the distributed server > infrastructure, and which are not. This administration is so far the > weak link in the Eternity Service concept, because whoever decides that > something is not spam takes over some responsibility for the content, > and is therefore subject to legal power of national powers. It would seem that it is the provider of the content, not the filterer, who is subject to legal authority. If I set up an open FTP site and allow anyone to post anything there, I can be legally forced to shut down once copyrighted software and child pornography appear. It has nothing to do with my filtering, it is my providing of the material that is objectionable. The Eternity concept has always been vague about exactly who is anonymous. There are many parties involved: the ones who submit material to the Eternity service; the ones who decide what material will go onto the service; the ones who own and maintain the machines which hold the material; the ones who receive requests for the material and supply it in response; the ones who request material and receive it. We need a more careful analysis of Eternity in terms of what levels of anonymity are possible and necessary for each of these roles.

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What freedom means... [Register]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > The Register - http://www.theregister.co.uk > http://www.theregister.co.uk/981207-000006.html > IBM PC martyrs meet untimely end > Chinese smugglers of kit put to death > http://www.theregister.co.uk/981206-000003.html > Eurospook plan for Web and wireless bugs > If Enfopol 98 is genuine, the cops are getting seriously out of control [much deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Ber
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Beroff wrote: >Wait a sec. Maybe I'm confused. I thought you were talking about >mass-mirroring the *content* of key sites, not just the URL pointers. > >I would imagine that a small committee would have to "edit" by >suggesting what should and shouldn't be included; one must realize >that if the final file is too large, people will be discouraged from mirroring. Yes, Gilmore's proposal was to mirror the contents; URLs threaten no reg-makers. Yep, mirrors of everything would be very large. We've heard already that folks would like help in knowing what to mirror if they can't do large archives, or can't easily decide which are most important. My advice so far: mirror whatever you can until better advice comes forth. Prime need: many mirrors of the strongest stuff, especially anything above 40-bits, that is anything that now requires a US export license (which appears to be where Wassenaar wildebeests and the domestic US is being stampeded). What would help is a list from experts on what are the most gov-enraging programs. We'd like to offer a few of those on jya.com, to test BXA's up-and- running crypto-enforcement program, maybe get some jail and trial pleasure, it's been too quiet on Bernstein, Junger, Karn, et al, a deliberate gov-stall, awaiting Wassenaar.

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