December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Clipper again
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to a White House statement announcing the encryption policy, "We need the Clipper chip and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens the access they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities." Wait, Is this the NEW policy? The one that admits problems with Clipper, or the old one? It's scary that I even have to ASK this question. If it is new, what's the bloody difference? "...and other approaches...." Smells like a tuna processing plant in here. -> that can both provide law-abiding citizens the access they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. <- Please. Back to the old security v. privacy debate. Get a clue Clinton What's new here? -> Clipper "was forced upon [the Clinton administration] before they had the chance to evaluate its impact," Bruce Heiman, a Washington attorney representing the Business Software Alliance, said last Tuesday. "NSA sold them a bill of goods." <- Isn't Mr. Heiman being a touch kind here? It was all NSA's fault? That doesn't sound like someone with the true interests of the "Business Software Alliance" at heart. Please forgive me if you're here Mr. Heiman. I'd like to know if this quote was properly within context (or did the media distort it?) -> Depsite the administration's insistence that Clipper and the rest of the encryption policy are voluntary efforts, many U.S. high-tech companies have opposed it.... <- Notice how it's never said WHY it was opposed. Just kinda hinted... The appearence of flexability here is an ILLUSION. It's rhetoric. Trash. They haven't changed the policy, just worked it around a little to make it look like they are worried about concerns of industry... Please. This smokescreen trash makes me sick. Clipper, or a similar proposal will show up in basically the same form called "Splitdeck" or "Skimmer" It's not the chip we object to you IDIOT. It's the policy and all the baggage attached to the bullshit goal of balancing "Private interests and law enforcement requirements." These are almost ALWAYS two opposed concepts. Take a basic class on intelligence Clinton and friends. Security | Liberty polar opposites. -uni- Dark

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pools for anonymous mail?
by Timothy Newsham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

is there a list of lists and/or newsgroups used as anonymous pools for defeating traffic analysis? Tim N.

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Secure Drive Copyleft / Export Problem
by Mike Ingle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since kpj(a)sics.se saw fit to cc his request to the list and start this controversy, I'll forward my response to the list as well. If I get harassed by the FSF, I'll have to stop distributing and count on the connectivity of the net to keep it alive. Aarrggh, this does not encourage a person to write more code... =========================================================================== >I wonder if you really can have a Copyleft and disallow the program source >to anybody outside the United States and Canada. As you write the code is >under Copyleft, I hereby ask you for a copy of it. FYI: I am situated in >the state of Sweden in Europe. What is your reply to this? I would like to send you a copy. It is illegal for me to do so. The copyleft is not on my code; it's on the IDEA algorithm I used. The U.S. government has prosecuted people for sending crypto out of the country. PGP is copylefted, yet Phil Zimmerman refuses to export or distribute the program himself for similar reasons, even though he holds the copyright. I'm trying to do something in the spirit of PGP here; please don't put me in a bind. I'm worried enough about getting into trouble; I assume you've read about the Phil Zimmermann subpeonas. I don't like export controls any more than you do, but there's nothing I can do about them. ---- MikeIngle(a)delphi.com >From the PGP 1.0 manual: All the source code for PGP is available for free under the "Copyleft" General Public License from the Free Software Foundation (FSF). A copy of the FSF General Public License is included in the source release package of PGP. Export Controls --------------- The Government has made it illegal in many cases to export good cryptographic technology, and that may include PGP. This is determined by volatile State Department policies, not fixed laws. Many foreign governments impose serious penalties on anyone inside their country using encrypted communications. In some countries they might even shoot you for that. I will not export this software in cases when it is illegal to do so under US State Department policies, and I assume no responsibility for other people exporting it without my permission.

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G.Barnes -- Stellar Hypocrite
by L. Detweiler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A friend has just emailed me a copy of Mr. Barnes' outrageous invasions into my privacy from last week, which just saw for the first time, and now condemn as a grotesque fishing expedition among my personal associates with enough influence to censor me. I didn't take his earlier threats about `going to your personal associates' seriously -- I had no idea anyone could be so perverted. Mr. Barnes, your slimy tactics are absolutely obscene, and I further doubt that you are acting alone. Prominent `leading' cypherpunks are using you as their `front man' to attack and censor me rather than publicly confront my charges and confess to their own depravities of widespread, rampant, conspirational pseudospoofing, yourself included. The sheer onslaught of unremitting evil I have been subject to in the past few weeks make my RISKS articles look like feeble whimperings. The problem is not that these recent freakshows are little anomalies in the Cypherpunk `movement'. We are seeing for the first time the true, unconcealed, rotten core of it. The hideous monster that has until now hidden in blackness is rearing and screeching at the top of its lungs upon being discovered. Pseudospoofing, criminal machinations of identity, lying through the media, and subversion of the Internet and Cyberspace have been the #1 goals of the Cypherpunks from the beginning, and their heinous, vicious atrocities have already irreparably damaged and poisoned very many quarters of the Internet. The Aliens have Landed.

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Re: Secure Drive Copyleft / Export Problem
by karn＠qualcomm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So excise the IDEA code, and refer the reader to the December 1993 issue of Dr. Dobbs Journal, which includes a complete listing and algorithm description of IDEA. Phil

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procmail-pgp
by J. Michael Diehl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, my server program logged several requests for my procmail recipes for pgp. Unfortuanately, I haven't heard any comments about the recipes. Is any- one using them? BTW, did anyone have any difficulties with the server software? I hacked it together in a few hours and want to make sure that it works completely. Thanx in advance. J. Michael Diehl ;^) |*The 2nd Amendment is there in case the mdiehl(a)triton.unm.edu | Government forgets about the 1st! <RL> Mike.Diehl(a)f29.n301.z1 |*God is a good Physicist, and an even .fidonet.org | better Mathematician. <Me> al945(a)cwns9.ins.cwru.edu|*I'm just looking for the opportunity to (505) 299-2282 (voice) | be Politically Incorrect! <Me> Can we impeach him yet? |*Protected by 18 USC 2511 and 18 USC 2703.

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Washington Post story: nov 23
by Pat Farrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On page 1 of today's Post Business section (below the fold) "Bill would ease curbs on encoding software exports" Lead paragraphs: "A buill that could signal a showdown between America's high tech industries and the national security establishment was introduced into the House Yesterday. Rgp Maria Cantwell (D-Wash) submitted legislation to liberalize export controls on software with features that allow users to encrypt data." I'll leave out the rest to save bandwidth and typing. If some one is dying for all the text, let me know and I'll email it. Not much new info, NSA against, indussry for, the famous "genie lack in the bottle" quote from Conrgessman Gejdenson, etc. For folks outside the beltway, Congress is trying like crazy to go home for Thanksgiving and stay there until January. Nothing will happen on this bill until next year. The release timing was simply to get some favorablelXmas brownie points when the congresscritters hit the local rubber chicken circuit. Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)netcom.com Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>

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Can NSA crack PGP?
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a FidoNet debate, it's been charged that PGP is unsafe, and that NSA can crack it. The persons holding this viewpoint espouse the idea that the NSA can crack anything, pretty much, and that anything they could not crack would not be available to the general public, but would have been supressed. Can anyone disprove this notion definitively? I'm looking for an ironclad case that this idea is incorrect. It'd especially be appreciated if anyone with reasonable "credentials" can respond. Even if you do post replies to the list/group, please at least Cc me so I don't miss them. SO, let's take this opportunity at online education, and spread the news that under current technology, PGP is in fact a secure cryptosystem. Thanks, and let the games begin! -- Stanton McCandlish mech(a)eff.org 1:109/1103 EFF Online Activist & SysOp O P E N P L A T F O R M C R Y P T O P O L I C Y O N L I N E R I G H T S N E T W O R K I N G V I R T U A L C U L T U R E I N F O : M E M B E R S H I P @ E F F . O R G

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Re: Zen Master
by George A. Gleason 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IGNORE HIM IGNORE HIM IGNORE HIM please! People are dropping off the list because of this stuff. -gg

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Re: Zen Master
by George A. Gleason 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IGNORE HIM IGNORE HIM IGNORE HIM please take anything related to LD elsewhere, this stuff is causing lots of good people to drop off the list. thank you. -gg

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