December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Forwarded mail....
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I truly hope you don't stereotype all AOL users for this idiot's insane ramblings. Unfortunately, some people are just morons, but you get them on every ISP anyway, they just aren't so obvious on others, because unfortunately, AOL makes it easier to communicate.

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PGP5.5.5 Problem
by Jim Van Over 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am seeking assistance with a PGP 5.5.5 system and noting your comments on the net I thought it might be possible for you to help me with a solution. I have been using PGP5.5.5, successfully, for the past four months. However, beginning three days ago I began experiencing a problem. I am using Netscape Navigator and the Netscape Message Center. The problem: When I receive a PGP message I copy it to the clipboard, but, when I depress the "decrypt and verify" line on the PGP tool bar the screen for the "pass phrase" flashes briefly on the screen and disappears. The same thing happens when I use the PGP tools. The PGP tool bar first referred to is the lock icon at the bottom of the screen. I have compared my public key with the key from which I receive messages and they are identical. I am able to encrypt a message to myself and then decrypt it without any problem. It is only when I receive a message from my other computer does the problem exist. I would very much appreciate any ideas you may have as how to correct this problem. Please make your solution as basic as possible as I am not as "computer literate" as I need to be in order to understand most explanations. Thank You Jim Van Over

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RE: ASL: RE: RE: RE: Copyright infringement (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Um, actualy not. It is actualy illegal for me to allow you to > borrow my books, CD's, albums, etc. Uh, how so? Distribution copyright covers first-sale only, after that the owner can lend or sell that item. If it were not for this, public and private libraries could not exist. This works for IP protected in tangible form, but falls down for electronic IP. Software is not protected by distribution copyright, it is instead licensed. Matt

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Release: Constitution Museum
by announce＠lp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ======================================= NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 ======================================= For release: September 9, 1998 ======================================= For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: 76214.3676(a)Compuserve.com ======================================= Forget ignorant teenagers: Let's send politicians to the Constitution Museum WASHINGTON, DC -- Philadelphia Mayor Ed Rendell's plan to build a museum dedicated to the Constitution should be approved, the Libertarian Party says -- provided that every Congressman and Senator is required to take classes there. "Educating ordinary Americans about freedom and individual rights is important, but educating politicians is absolutely essential -- because only they have the power to write laws that threaten your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness," said Ron Crickenberger, national director of the Libertarian Party. Crickenberger's comments came in response to Rendell's request to the Senate Appropriations Committee last week for $65 million to pay half the cost of a museum designed to educate Americans about the Constitution. To buttress his argument that Americans are "ignorant about government," Rendell cited a survey of 600 teenagers showing that more of them could name the Three Stooges (59%) than could name the three branches of government (41%), and that while 74% could name the city where cartoon character Bart Simpson lives (Springfield), just 12% know where Abraham Lincoln lived (Springfield). Building the museum in Philadelphia, Rendell said, would help reverse "the tide of ignorance" that is "absolutely critical to the health of our democracy." Crickenberger countered: "First we need to reverse the tide of ignorance in Congress. After all, in just the last two years, these politicians have violated the First Amendment by trying to censor the Internet, flouted the Second Amendment by passing the Lautenberg gun-control law, and made a mockery of the Fifth Amendment by quietly creating a massive federal database of every employee in America, mandating fingerprints for drivers licenses, and imposing a national ID card. "Politicians who habitually violate the Constitution themselves have no business lecturing ordinary Americans on this subject. Instead, they should practice what they preach -- and be the first ones in line when the National Center on the Constitution opens in Philadelphia. "And instead of hitting up taxpayers for $65 million, members of Congress should pay for it out of their own pockets, or by abolishing some of the unconstitutional agencies they have created," Crickenberger said. For example, he noted, the Pennsylvania delegation could urge Congress to come up with the money by: * Knocking out every unconstitutional pork-barrel project that Rep. Bud Shuster quietly inserted into the $217 billion highway bill that Congress passed in March, such as $800,000 to renovate a historic train station at Gettysburg and $500,000 for a study on sidewalks at the Kennedy Center. * Trimming the $65 billion corporate welfare budget by one-tenth of one percent. * Earmarking just 25% of the paycheck of every Senator and Congressional representative -- and every Capitol Hill staffer making over $100,000 -- for a single session of Congress. * Eliminating just one of the hundreds of unconstitutional federal agencies Congress has created, such as the National Endowment for the Arts, which has a budget of $100 million a year. Then, after attending classes at this museum, members of Congress should have one other requirement, said Crickenberger. "Before graduating from their class on the Constitution, these politicians should be required to prove their knowledge by repealing every unconstitutional law they ever passed," he said. "That's the best way to set an example for American teenagers -- and it doesn't require building another museum in Philadelphia." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNfbSuNCSe1KnQG7RAQE8gAQAvrV8hv96Yfkrz7gOvLXEHtu0aY9zxZ1E wILr9VVw1u2lLig6C/9V8gt1Feio7iCuRvTdG3FI9I9JTvT/Y/QdzLajkNrbHb+V Oa8YTGgTfVAhpF3MX5M6SHiBua5dsYZtUZ5wLnpTE4oiWSI04hrD612Jf+0CZTCH JbaOzaW7wnw= =xN7R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 For subscription changes, please mail to <announce-request(a)lp.org> with the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject line -- or use the WWW form.

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If there's a trial will some of us be witnesses?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If Carl Johnson comes to trial, presumably both sides will call expert witnesses. So, who will these witnesses be? Ironically, we are almost certainly the most qualified witnesses on the planet in these issues. However, I expect we are too disreputable, to either side, to be called. Instead, they'll likely call on peripheral players like Dorothy Denning to explain to the jury what AP is. Or perhaps the "Science Applications Inc." lightweight who attempted to analyze anonymity and remailers for a conference paper a year or two ago. Food for thought. I'm not sure how I'd react if either side called on me to act as witness. And if they subpoenaed me, I suppose I'd have to spend a few kilobucks to hire some lawyer to explain to me how and when I could take the Fifth. (That's what it's come to, with lawyers needed at every stage.) --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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Re: Cypherpunks as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Tim May wrote: > Could our group be charged as a "continuing criminal enterprise" under the > RICO statute? Probably. Under RICO and associated laws they can get anyone for anything. Well, except Komrade Klinton. > > It occurs to me that if Carl Johnson, who is linked several times to our > group/list in the court documents, is successfully prosecuted,then the Feds > may be able to cite both Bell and Johnson as evidence of a conspiracy. > > Which probably wouldn't be too hard to prove, as many of us have admitted > to conspiring mightily to undermine various institutions. (And we even use > encypted e-mail, the very essence of a secret conspiracy.) > > It might be fun to see them try this. Would they charge some of us as > ringleaders? Or would they declare the entity itself an illegal > organization? (As they have done with various cultural, political, and even > religous groups, like Hezbollah, the Aum religion, etc.) > > Interesting times. Quite. One partial solution I see is to rewrite premail in C so it runs at a respectable speed[1], fix some of the bugs[2], integrate it with more mailers, and then encourage everybody to subscribe through nyms. I'd love to see them try to prosecute users at nym.alias.net by presenting a court order to Community Connexion in Oakland. ;) [1] Yes, it's really slow on slower machines. [2] One of the most obvious is when Premail sends out 3 copies of a message for a 2 remailer chain, 9 copies for a 3 remailer chain, something like 27 for a 4 remailer chain, and so on. If nothing else, that's a security hole which allows people to know how many warrants they will need.

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Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:46:40 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism (fwd) > >That'll work for gasoline because soap and gasoline are soluble. I doubt it > >would work very well for alcohol but once I get this mess with the tree > >straightened out I'll do a little backyard experiment. > > > >What I had in mind was to pour some alcohol on the concrete drive way and > >light it. Then use a waterbottle with a water/soap mix. Do you think that > >would be a suitable simulation? > > No. Ok, then what would be a suitable test in your view? It seems to me that after reviewing your comments this would be sufficient. We have a small pool of fuel that is on fire, we spray water on it and monitor the behaviour. We then create another similar pool and spary water w/ detergent in it and note any differences. > The point of using the detergent has nothing to do with it's > solubility in gasoline/kerosene (I have much more experience with JP5 than > gas, and JP5 is basically a high grade kerosene/diesel), but rather it is > there to break up the water tension & allow the water to "float" on top of > the gas/oil/whatever. Actualy it's to keep the water from forming 'beads' because of differences in density. The surface tension of water is much higher than most fuels so if you put a little water in a lot of fuel you don't want it to bead. This is analogouse to why you put your injector cleaner in *before* the gas so that the difference in density won't effect the thoroughness of the mixing. You can do the same sort of thing at home with cooking oil, water, and detergent. As to water floating on top of gasoline, it won't for any lentgh of time greater than a fraction of a second, detergent or no detergent. > Actually, by using solar heating/cooling techiques instead of > (ineffecient) conversion to electicity, you can save MUCH more energy. I have several friends who are as fanatical about this technology as you seem to be. I find it interesting that in 20 years of playing with it they are still in the red. The proof is in the pudding. > I don't see how, you just get it up there inside the orbit of the > earth, and let gravity do the rest. If it was ONLY that simple. When you leave the Earth you have the Earths orbital momental (and it is considerable). I'll refer you to: Classical Mechanics (2nd ed) HC Corben, P. Stehle ISBN 0-486-68063-0 (Dover) $10.95 Introduction to Space Dynamics WT Thomson ISBN 0-486-65113-4 (Dover) $8.00 Because I'm way to lazy today to want to delve in to triple-integrals and such. > I don't mind killing a salamander or 100, but I don't want my > electric supply, and it's attendant costs to be dependent on ONE > technology, or source of supply. If there is any alternative that will fulfill the requirements and doesn't require the arbitrary collateral damage then it isn't worth it, period. If for no other reason than the ethical responsibility to pass on the world as undamaged as possible to the next generation. (another oversite in current economic thought that I find makes it unusable) > We already have the have/have not situatiuon. True, but only because the current energy sources are located in specific geographic areas. > I think there is also this issue that NG doesn't "burn" when the > tank cracks, it "explodes", and when it does burn, it is very similar to > alcohol in that it doesn't have much of a flame. Actualy natural gas isn't any more flamable than gasoline or alcohol. What makes it safer is the gas diffuses in the air much faster than either alcohol or gasoline. In fact, in an accident I'd rather have a gas involved than a liquid because of this. I've seen several natural gas fires and they burn a yellow-orange (course they could be putting something in there besides the odorant to cause this). ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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ANNOUNCE: Bay Area Cypherpunks, Sat. Sept. 12, 12-6, KPMG Mountain View
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Septembre Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be Saturday from 12-6, at KPMG, 500 E. Middlefield Rd., Mountain View, with the organized part beginning at 1:00. IPSEC - Hugh Daniel will talk about the latest IPSEC Free/SWAN work Crypto 98 - Various people will talk about what they saw at the conference. Dinner after the meeting will be at some restaurant on Castro St. Mtn.View. Directions: KPMG is a relatively-unmarked building at the corner of Middlefield Rd. and Ellis St. in Mountain View, surrounded by Netscape. The lobby entrance is on the Ellis St. side. The Ellis exit on 101 is between 85 and 237. http://www.mapblast.com/mapblast/blast.hm?CMD=MAP&GC=X%3A-122.05265%7CY%3A3… Probable speaker for October - Sue Bardakos from Entrust ----------- Mailing list administrivia - this announcement has been sent to cypherpunks(a)algebra.com cypherpunks-announce(a)toad.com coderpunks(a)toad.com cryptography(a)c2.net If you want to get off one of the lists, send mail to listname-request(a)machine.domain (probably majordomo!) for the listserver that sent you the mail. ----------- Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Joe Cypherpunk
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Forwarded mail....
by Bernardo B. Terrado 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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