December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: CreditCard info
by Garth Brown 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- | From: Brian Lane <blane(a)squeaky.free.org> | It's unbelieveable (to me anyway) that people would give this kind of | information out and trust that it can't be abused. It's bad enough that | we're asked to hand out our SS number for everything. It's my understanding that it's technically illegal for anyone to require your SSN for anything if they are not using it for SS related purposes. I had heard that congress passed a law when SSNs were issued to this effect. Am I hallucinating, or has someone else heard this too?! garthB> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Garth S. Brown, Semaphore Corporation 122 South Jackson Street, Suite 350 garthb(a)semaphore.com Seattle, Washington 98104 InterNIC WHOIS: GB(31) -Public key available via finger of garthb(a)semaphore.com -PGP2.6 Key fingerprint = 65 0E 48 A1 F7 38 DB 03 3F 77 77 9E B5 53 2E 96 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- All problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives.

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Re: Anonymous Transport Agents
by greg＠ideath.goldenbear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Suppose an encryption-savvy mail transport agent, say ESMTP, was > developed. Further suppose that part of handshaking protocol for this > transport protocol included an ENCRYPTED reverse lookup on IP identities > to check that the message is actually coming from where it claims it's > coming from. Suppose again that the results of this lookup were only > checked for correctness (boolean), and then discarded WITHOUT LOGGING, or > at least with minimal logging. [. . .] > In this model, one could provide anonymous transportation of > anonymous mail FOR EVERY MACHINE ON INTERNET providing that the original > message wasn't forged. It looks to me like you've "supposed" away the real obstacle to anonymous messages - the practice of logging traffic. Once you assume that people won't keep logs, the rest of the protocol is unnecessary - everyone's got anonymous messaging capability already. Forgery prevention is more useful when it's user-to-user, not host-to-host; we can do this already with PGP. The tricky part is finding a way to preserve anonymity where the majority of sites on the Internet continue to log traffic carefully, refuse to install new software (especially anon-positive software), and are administrated by people with simplistic and outdated ideas about identity and punishment. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.5 iQCVAgUBLkZ7wH3YhjZY3fMNAQH3FQP9FWac8oASgwTJp4rI9fRLHsAXEVXKdNDE jwDzSYTy38ZJnaa1kBYpsqJzrPnFdYNY6t2vlIjNmZMHOevarfkwF+uKabJxah1L Wt1rlkN06P8XpgsYVGTre1L28/HB+NtrEImTm9OzQGx+LRdY0OqLW1U/vSPwOjqw /DeLaSNzBnE= =bdDT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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e$
by peace＠BIX.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I can recall that many years back the casinos in Las Vegas all accepted the chips from the other ones and then had a great exchange each day where the accounts were settled up. Even the gift shops took chips in place of cash. The US Treasury put a stop to this as it was considered to be a replacement for cash. Also I hear a lot about bearer bonds, but never in the US. OTOH the NYC subways have started a cash card that they expect merchants to accept in lieu of coins. It would be nice to know what the Feds will or won't accept. BTW, does it matter if the e$ are US denominated? Could e$ be presented as travelers checks? The possibilities here are extremely interesting. - - - Bob said> However, it's a stupid parasite which >kills it's host, and that's what I'm counting on here. Not really true. All parasites kill their host or they would not be considered parasites (ie. live at the EXPENSE of the host). The only question is how quickly the host dies. There is an entire epidemiology of parasitism, ie. which strategies are best for the parasite. The virulent ones must be able to find a new host quickly, the ones that can't exit quickly rely on the host living for a long time. There was a good article in SciAm on this a little while back. Also remember, it is the US Supreme Court which ruled that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Sounds like as good a definition of parasitism as any. Peace

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RE: CreditCard info
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Brian Lane <blane(a)squeaky.free.org> asked: > I filled out a credit app at Sears last month that asked for my SSN, I > didn't give it and didn't get credit either. What exactly is SS related > use? Banks, Employment only? Employers are REQUIRED to obtain an SSAN for tax purposes, as are banks for reporting interest, etc. to the IRS. Regarding credit, they generally ask for an SSAN because that's the "unique personal identifier" that most credit bureaus index your records by (and still screw them up, even then!). --- Diogenes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLkWV9+Rsd2rRFQ1JAQHKqAP/UISqmaWkX/n+4NwlpL6GBOxPVfcS6af+ zWU8SCpqNcdZWic1ioDq60vO1sji8zBf0jeoOfUXPaNQkcdKGp61y4gxbSZOoqBH VtDSuHCY35X+3ihCFwhp9pshqIWwJTTxvJ9KA6DMZhKM5V5nAC8+GBD7Ofhr81gZ RHPtr/Y2Tgo= =azV1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Tommy the Tourist's New Home
by nobody＠ds1.wu-wien.ac.at 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- werewolf(a)io.org (Mark Terka) asked: > > Tommy the Tourist <nobody(a)CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> (Anon User) wrote: > > > > Welcome back, Tommy, we missed you! <g> Hope you're enjoying your > > new (CSUA) "home"... (Time for everyone to update their > > "chain.ini" file, BTW.) > How come? Has soda gone down or something? Or has there been an address > change? Soda was down for a week while it was moved to a different location. The new address is "remailer(a)soda.csua.berkeley.edu". I'm told that the old address will continue to work for a limited time, but it's best to get in the habit of using the correct one. I also understand that the crypto archives have also moved, but I'm not really sure of the details. --- Diogenes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLkWDGuRsd2rRFQ1JAQH9UQP/Y5IVnEPiOVtxYmaakHMxK9huPvdsOqsC qgaH9OUKEc6MDVz7NWI/ZtW9V8FqMGfEXEN0a4rMuvgyeq5P2VgqOuMWUcOOKwKP m8jEioG+AoJy6ZWRdufz8rkkc7rU73s9a2Xfktf62rG0PSjs7g9xJrjXPCKSk+PT 2iq18F2sBPo= =5LAw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Digicash address?
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could someone send me contact information for David Chaum's Digicash company? An email address would be great... Thanks in advance, Adam

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Re: Digital Telephony bill, August 1 draft (fwd)
by Arsen Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 21:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Sal Denaro <sal(a)panix.com> To: Arsen Ray Arachelian <rarachel(a)prism.poly.edu> Subject: Re: Digital Telephony bill, August 1 draft (fwd) >From panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!cindy.stanford.edu!user Thu Aug 4 21:03:35 1994 Path: panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!cindy.stanford.edu!user From: rogo(a)forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.powerpc Subject: Re: IBM Power-PC future In article <issa.775452041@cwis>, issa(a)cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) wrote: > * OS/2 and NT. > Microsoft's Windows NT will probably become the OS of choice > for the IBM PPS's and the Intel PCI local-bus will be the only > bus offered with IBM's new machines. Now wasn't a main idea with > the new architecture is to compete/get ride of the MS/Intel > dominance so IBM/Apple can start making a good buck again! OS/2 > for the PowerPC (previously known as WorkPlace OS) keeps on getting > delayed and when it's finally released, I don't think it will compete > with Windows NT 3.5. Beside being a very robust OS, NT is also > available for Intel, MIPS, DECs, and other workstations and its' > been out for a while. Your chip-mania is lunacy... Let's try a new lens... Q2,'95, PPC 604 in machines, chip costs around $400 at 100MHz. Q4,'95 P6 in machines, chip costs around $1100 at 133MHz. PPC 604 matches P6 performance (or betters it) with 133MHz and 150MHz versions. 100MHz version is $250. Developers routinely recompiled Win32 apps for PPC. PPC 620 shipping in quantity. Initial price, $999. AMD K5 variants and Cyrix M1 variants begin really annoying Intel by matching all P5 performance points with lower prices. The ensuing price war begins chopping away something from Intel's gargantuan profits. Q1,'96 P6 machines now available in quantity. Few willing to pay the high price. Really fast P5s keep those not looking for change quite happy. Some, looking for price/performance, begin thinking about PPC machines. Q2,'96 PPC620 machines ship. Faster 604s, P5s, P6s, abound. Nothing can touch 620 in the PC marketplace. Machines expensive. PPC604 chip price now at about $150. P6 at about $750. Q4,'96 Word of the PowerPC 800 series just swept Comdex (IBM and Moto did a big show on the new series). Systems should begin appearing in 12-18 months. Intel cloners becoming really annoying. IBM, making money selling PPC systems, also has figured out what Intel already knows: you can make more money selling whole logic boards to PC cloners rather than just chips. Using Cyrix technology, they are cutting deeper into the P5-class x86 business. Intel/HP briefing ignored. Who cares about a chip coming out in two years? Gateway and Dell merge but keep identities separate. HP again considers buying Apple. Q2,'97 Intel fights back with much cheaper P6s and much faster ones. First PPC 800 series silicon is becoming available. Q4,'97 PPC running 800 SPECint. Q2,'98 Intel/HP first silicon using VLIW technology. Compatible with existing x86 binaries. Intel encouraging ISVs to write to the "native mode" of the new chips, though. That was fun.... IBM's PPCs will have preemption, threads, telephony, video, etc. (as soon as they ship). Macs will have threads, telephony, video, etc. (as soon as 7.5 ships). I don't think lack of preemption will kill, or even severely wound, Apple's efforts to keep -- and perhaps increase -- its market share. Also, that PnP stuff and multimedia will still be better on Macs (because they've always been plug and play and because QuickTime is really going to win the race over Video for Windows -- call Bell Atlantic if you disagree). *** should have been posted to alt.prose :> sal(a)panix.com Yes, I use PGP. Salvatore Denaro Live fast, Die young, Hack C++ My heart is broke/but I have some glue Sex, Drugs and Cryptography. Help me inhale/and mend it with you

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No Subject
by an118＠vox.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw an interesting post in sci.crypt last week about a particular cypher. I think it ws called "The Penknife Cypher" or something along those lines. I guess I have been so PGP oriented that i've sort of stuck my head in the sand and ignored other possibilities regarding encryption. ARE there any other good cypher's out there, suitable for e-mail usage? And more importantly, are they readily available, likely through ftp from some European source. I guess it doesn't matter how popular they are, but how secure they are. I'd be interested in a strong one for usage between a couple of friends and myself. The keys could be spread via PGP and then I suppose we could start using the cypher. Any ideas? Or is my best bet to pickup Schneir's Applied Cryptography and use an algorithim from that? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)vox.hacktic.nl Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)vox.hacktic.nl Direct replies to the sender of this message are -not- anonymised <YuK>

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TOMMY THE TOURIST IS COMPROMISED DON'T USE IT
by Tommy the Tourist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tommy the Tourist is compromised, it is possible to trace who sent the message from the anonymous remiler called "Tommy the Tourist" Anonymity cannot be assured, please direct anonymous traffic through other anonymous remailers. ------------ To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu, starting your message with the following 8 lines: :: Response-Key: the-clipper-key ====Encrypted-Sender-Begin==== MI@```%Q^&2?(E<U9BPG1]W7L'=6KH_SN(JMX.Q@RG7^7D(SA%FB(8Q2K4A!M M*VFU=N2XN6?V.C4S.N7*XRQ"*_P0<S5^+Z$37-UG%HN:!,.D5QTC_#9^S][: '.U5H*[Z8-P`` ====Encrypted-Sender-End====

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SSN Quandary (was: CreditCard info)
by Garth Brown 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- | From: "Pat Farrell" <pfarrell(a)netcom.com> | | I'm sure that you are correct. I talked just this past Friday to | David Banistar at EPIC/CPSR on this. But the law seems to | be mostly ignored, as is the fact that SSN's are not unique. | | The key is, what do we do about it? I routinely refuse to give my SSN to agencies that have no government affiliation. I've been hassled for this stance, and frequently refused service/credit. My phone company demanded an exorbitant deposit because I wouldn't give them my SSN when signing for service. I am greatly disturbed by the amount of personal information currently available on an individual, and accessible with keys as simple as SSN, full name, and mother's maiden name. I, however, have no clue what to do other than continue to refuse to supply data whenever possible. garthB> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Garth S. Brown, Semaphore Corporation 122 South Jackson Street, Suite 350 garthb(a)semaphore.com Seattle, Washington 98104 InterNIC WHOIS: GB(31) -Public key available via finger of garthb(a)semaphore.com -PGP2.6 Key fingerprint = 65 0E 48 A1 F7 38 DB 03 3F 77 77 9E B5 53 2E 96 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives.

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