December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Roger J Jones 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > I'm here to ask > > > As you'll soon see > > > Did you grope > > > Miss Lewinsky? > > > Did you grope her > > > in your house? > > > Did you grope > > > Beneath her blouse? > > > > > > I did not do that > > > Here nor there > > > I did not do that > > > Anywhere! > > > I did not do that > > > Near nor far > > > I did not do that > > > Starr-You-Are. > > > > > > Did you smile? > > > Did you flirt? > > > Did you peek > > > Beneath her skirt? > > > And did you tell > > > The girl to lie > > > When called upon > > > To testify? > > > > > > I do not like you > > > Starr-You-Are > > > I think that you > > > Have gone too far. > > > I will not answer > > > Anymore > > > Perhaps I will go > > > Start a war! > > > > > > The public's easy > > > To distract > > > When bombs are > > > Falling on Iraq! > > > > > >

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Atilla wrote: >no, in fact, if there were a free market remedy for M$' >monopoly, I would be in favour of it --and there is _no_ >free market remedy and failure to act promptly >conceivably wipe out all, or virtually all, of the >viable competitors. Of course there's a free-market remedy for Microsoft; eliminate copyright. If anyone can copy Microsoft software for free, it would be forced to compete on real benefits rather than installed base. This is why I have no sympathy with those who claim Microsoft is the victim in the anti-trust suits, even though I'm opposed to such action in general; those whose profits depend on the 800-pound gorilla can hardly complain when it falls on them. Mark

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:23:58 -0800 (PST) > From: mark(a)unicorn.com > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig > Of course there's a free-market remedy for Microsoft; eliminate copyright. If > anyone can copy Microsoft software for free, it would be forced to compete > on real benefits rather than installed base. If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market software or much else for that matter. I would predict that much of the technology and infrastructure we have now wouldn't exist. It would also stiffle creativity and new methodologies because there would be no profit in it to recoup development costs. Those who would survive in such a market would be the 800-lb gorillas because only they would have the resources to squash the smaller companies. Free markets monopolize. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Feds warm spammers [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Feds Approve Bank to Certify Digital Signatures
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 16:26:45 EST > > > Of course there's a free-market remedy for Microsoft; eliminate copyright. > > > anyone can copy Microsoft software for free, it would be forced to compete > > > on real benefits rather than installed base. > > > > If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market software > > or much else for that matter. I would predict that much of the technology > > and infrastructure we have now wouldn't exist. It would also stiffle > > creativity and new methodologies because there would be no profit in it to > > recoup development costs. Those who would survive in such a market would be > > the 800-lb gorillas because only they would have the resources to squash the > > smaller companies. > > Software development seems to be thriving in countries that aren't very keen > on enforcing copyright laws - do you care to explain why? Oh yeah... Software development is a long way from selling software, not the same animal at all. I mean when I go down to the dozen computer stores within a mile or so of my house I am truly deluged by software from countries outside of the US and Canada. I mean we have all heard of the Indian and Bulgarian software billionares haven't we? And all those folks in Turkey just rolling in cash... Further, who do the majority of these folks who actualy make a reasonable living work for either directly or under contract? Large US and Eurpean countries thats who. That's why those folks can make a living developing (not selling) software. > > Free markets monopolize. > Hmm... There's no copyright on perfumes. There are market leaders in perfumes, > but no monopoly; hardly even an olygopoly. I can tell how often you buy perfume, the ones I buy for my girlfriend certainly have a little 'c' on them... And as to the number of companies that are actualy developing perfume versus reselling it under their own house brands...there might be a couple dozen succesful (say stay in business more than 5 years) in the whole world and I would go so far as to hypothesize that if one were motivated to plot the number of companies per year over the last say 50 years you would see the number go *down*. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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"The Internet needs a chastity chip." ---James Traficant, Dem-Ohio
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/980206/wired/stories/cybersex_1.html Friday February 6 10:07 AM EST Lawmaker warns of cybersex "pregnancy danger" WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citing the case of a woman who claims she got pregnant from e-mail, an Ohio Democrat called Wednesday for a "chastity chip" for the Internet. Rep. James Traficant, known for his flamboyant rhetoric, gave a brief floor speech about a woman named Frances who claimed to have gotten pregnant through an e-mail exchange with a paramour 1,500 miles away. "That's right -- pregnant," the Congressman proclaimed, warning of the dangers of "immaculate reception." He called on Congress to go beyond "v-chips" that would protect kids from sexual content on the Internet, saying: "Its time for Congress to act. The computers do not need a v-chip. The Internet needs a chastity chip." Although Traficant did not say whether he believed the woman's account, he did say it was "enough to crash your hard drive." ------------------------------------------------------------ David Honig Orbit Technology honig(a)otc.net Intaanetto Jigyoubu Lewinsky for President '2012

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RebaNews
by mail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reba will join Rosie O'Donnell as her special co-host February 16, as The Rosie O'Donnell Show continues its broadcasts from Los Angeles. In addition to pulling co-hosting duties, Reba will also perform "What If," her tribute song to the Salvation Army. Fresh off her wins at both the Peoples Choice Awards (which she hosted and won Favorite Female Musical Performer) and the American Music Awards (Favorite Female Country Artist), the February 16th appearance marks the second time Reba has appeared on The Rosie O'Donnell Show. Later this month, Reba will begin work on the CBS-TV movie, "Forever and Always," tentatively scheduled to air in May.

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