December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: PLO censoring pro-Iraqi sentiments
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> The next time you "cheer to see the U.S. gets its tail kicked", why >> don't you think about the American troops who lost their lives or were >> maimed, or who were doing something they may have been personally and >> morally against, but they chose to be professional soldiers, and instead >> of displaying cowardice, they tried to do what was asked of them. I prefer to view what Tim said in the context that "Amerika" the ugly got its tail kicked in the broader sense. I don't believe that Tim took any pleasure in seeing American soldiers getting killed. The fact remains that we, Amerika, did get our tail kicked in Somalia; like Viet Nam it was little reflection on the troops but a reflection of the of a command staff being run by Washington DC Apparatchiki all suffering from cranio-rectal inversion. America deserves all the ridicule that has been heaped upon it for those fiascos; only ... some time, maybe we can but hope the we will finally learn at least one lesson and get it right once before I go for the long sleep! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNOz23D7r4fUXwraZAQFTmAf+NduMJzQp+B4bgILGKcE2n2nMiqqCbV3F gfDqNCANv8I+9VFIZp5yXomg6fmrv/byz/KBAJ0Vb+r8Sgmw/EofflN6s5fInVTq GZlg9aGkdQRHSo8dRuGsxeIkQE0tYqISqFWLNdf5raKEE1UygYoOxQ83snZFvFLU VFOdo37zepo3qlfRNwt2TSW4Wg5D02uQHQIONah64/F9XIENoBAfTLhdeglAN05z L+JGC0hUgyzjv+vmN4qBgtQJIKKOJO1eyQsT1csDXXWPoD/O7I+w6bwS98Yf4UA2 d8T+G8vBdms7rpjQkX7cpa2XASufl1A+3YI8vVDMUREBSjJRTH85nA== =tsyh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Despite the bleating of various socialistically-anointed freakshow groups, the vast majority of us realize that bringing children into the world is not only the most wonderful endeavor with which we can be associated but absolutely essential if we aren't going to put ourselves on the EPA's endangered species list." Winston Borden

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IFCA
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:52:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: online.offshore.com.ai: list set sender to fc98-request(a)offshore.com.ai using -f Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:33:04 +0100 (MET) From: Ray Hirschfeld <R.Hirschfeld(a)cwi.nl> To: fc98(a)offshore.com.ai Subject: IFCA Resent-From: fc98(a)offshore.com.ai X-Mailing-List: <fc98(a)offshore.com.ai> archive/latest X-Loop: fc98(a)offshore.com.ai Precedence: list Resent-Sender: fc98-request(a)offshore.com.ai The second year of a new conference is perhaps the most difficult--the novelty has worn off but the conference is not yet firmly established. But all indications for FC98 are promising. Another success next week will be a signal to do it again next year. A new organization, the International Financial Cryptography Association (IFCA) has been formed to support future meetings of the Financial Cryptography conference. IFCA will not only be responsible for organizational aspects of the conference, but will also select the program chair. All paid registrations of FC98 will automatically receive a year's membership in IFCA (unless they indicate that they do not wish to join). Others may join by paying membership dues. A first general meeting of IFCA will be held on the evening of Tuesday February 24, just before the conference rump session, and all members are encouraged to attend. The main purposes of the meeting will be to elect directors and to discuss possible locations for FC99 (and perhaps FC00). If you are interested in hosting an FC conference and can provide some logistic support for it, you are invited to bring a proposal to the meeting. Ideas tossed around so far have mostly focused on other "financial island" locations, e.g., Grand Cayman, Hong Kong, Manhattan, Jersey, etc., but anyplace reasonable will be considered. (There will almost certainly be insufficient information available at the time of the meeting to make a decision, but an indication of the wishes of the membership will be gathered to help guide the directors.) --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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No Subject
by Daniel J. Boone 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: PLO censoring pro-Iraqi sentiments
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric J. Tune wrote: > You know Tim, I respect most of what you write, and I respect you in that > you have your own free will and opinions and the right to express them, but > what you have forgotten in your anarchistic ravings is that PEOPLE DIED IN > SOMALIA, including a personal friend of mine. They were all somebody's > son, brother, and friend. These soldiers went where they were ordered to > go, as befits a soldier, and tried to do the job they were given and > accomplish the mission, and for that EVERY ONE OF THEM DESERVES Y O U R > RESPECT. I am quite sure the vast majority of them thought it was patently > stupid to go to Somalia in the first place, but a soldier follows orders, > legal ones, and tries to get the job done regardless of personal feelings. There is honor in fighting for something you believe in, taking a risk with the belief that your actions may make things better. What were those soldiers in Somalia fighting for? Yes, we know those people died in Somalia. What did they die for? Oh, just following orders... where have I heard that before...

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No Subject
by David Lopes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PLO censoring pro-Iraqi sentiments
by Eric J. Tune 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Eric Tune writes: > >> You know Tim, I respect most of what you write, and I respect you in >> that you have your own free will and opinions and the right to express >> them, but what you have forgotten in your anarchistic ravings is that >> PEOPLE DIED IN SOMALIA, including a personal friend of mine. They were >> all somebody's son, brother, and friend. > >So were the 100,000 Iraqi military killed by Bush, and the 1,000,000 >Iraqis of all ages killed by US sanctions. So were the civilians >bulldozed into mass graves in Panama, so the country would look neat and >tidy for the arrival of the ReportWhores. > >What the world needs now is not another mass killing of Iraqis by the >United States government. What the world really needs now is a fifty >dollar weapon that sinks aircraft carriers. > >> These soldiers went where they were ordered to go, as befits a soldier, >> and tried to do the job they were given and accomplish the mission, and >> for that EVERY ONE OF THEM DESERVES Y O U R RESPECT. I am quite sure >> the vast majority of them thought it was patently stupid to go to >> Somalia in the first place, but a soldier follows orders, legal ones, >> and tries to get the job done regardless of personal feelings. > >Most of them would probably follow "legal orders" to fire upon American >civilians too. You ever served in the military? Unless you've been under fire, you should shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing about nor could comprehend. >> The next time you "cheer to see the U.S. gets its tail kicked", why >> don't you think about the American troops who lost their lives or were >> maimed, or who were doing something they may have been personally and >> morally against, but they chose to be professional soldiers, and instead >> of displaying cowardice, they tried to do what was asked of them. > >The universe does not view the lives of Americans as more valuable than >the lives of people murdered by Americans. Listen up jerk, in case you didn't get any news during 1990, Iraq attacked Kuwait, and murdered thousands of Kuwaitis. "Don't start no shit and there won't be no shit"... ever heard that, asshole? America would have never been involved if Iraq hadn't invaded Kuwait. I was there, in a Bradley, and we could have rolled all over Baghdad, especially after what the Iraqi bastards did to the Kuwaitis, but it wasn't done. Unfortunately Saddam Hussein stayed in power. There will not be a shred of a chance for peace in that region until he is DEAD. I don't think air strikes are the answer to this, and I think Clinton is a moron for his present policy, War is the worst thing that man can do to other men, and there is no such thing as "the good fight"... war is hell. Period. Until you have been in a war, you have no idea of what you are talking about. But if you think that Iraq was "more right" or better yet, "less wrong", you need a radical lobotomy, or perhaps you've already had one. >> Think of the innocent civilians who inevitably die in the conflicts >> started by the megalomaniacs like Saddam Hussein. > >You mean all those melted child car seats and scorched teddy bears on >George Bush's "Highway of Death" leading out of Kuwait? Evidently, you again know nothing of what the Iraqis did to the Kuwaitis on their way in to Kuwait. Get educated, shithead. >Unfortunately, for all the braying Americans do about freedom, Americans >can never be truly happy unless someone is telling them what to do, or >they are telling someone else what to do, or they are bombing someone for >not doing what they have told them to do. > >The only thing Americans understand is dead Americans. The only thing. You sound like nothing more than disillusioned, spoiled, pompous asshole when you presume to know what Americans "understand". Your anarchistic ravings only mark you for the idiot you are. To everyone else besides Cordian who reads this, my apologies, but for all it's failings, I still have pride in America... ...not for all the foreign policy bullshit or the way the government fucks us over, or starts wars, or sticks their collective nose in other countries business...but for the fact that as a whole people, Americans still keep trying, everyday, to be a better people. I'm proud of that. Eric Tune

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Re: Cryptographic Implementations
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:03 PM 2/18/98 +0530, Akshay Vashist wrote: >Hi, > Could somebody point me to some of the software implementations >of the cryptographic algorithms ( RSA , DES ,3DES ) .Actually, >Iam interested in evaluating their performance on firewalls etc., >so if there are sites, that contain their performance metrics/data >and the time it takes to break them ( approximately , on an average >m/c say sun ultra sparc ), please do mail me.Any help is welcome. There are a lot of good crypto web and ftp sites. Look at ftp.ox.ac.uk and ftp.funet.fi . Look at Ron Rivest's pages (AltaVista knows where they are.) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Dealing with Spam, Part 2
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 2/18/98 +0000, T.G.Griffiths(a)exeter.ac.uk wrote: >Mark(a)unicorn.com makes a good point about MailGuard. >If A and B both run MailGuard, and neither is on the >other's allowed list, do you get an infinite bounce >when A mails B or does the prog. get around it? I can >think of a couple of ways, but what does MailGuard do? The classic implementations of systems like that do one of three things 0) Don't think, leading to infinite mailbounces (often caught in testing, since it's very bad.) 1) Prevent loops, but there's no way to communicate 2) Prevent loops, and recognize mail from other MailThingies, which makes it easy for Spammers to forge. If you get fancy, you can probably work something like Receive message Send and record Alice-cookie -> <-- Reply with Alice-cookie and new Bob-cookie verify Alice-cookie and accept message Reply to Bob-cookie --> Verify Bob-cookie for future use Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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