December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The cited examples were of restaurants and other businesses in town which >had rules against employees wearing nose rings, tongue studs, spiky hair, >mohawks, lip piercings, tatoos, scarification, and such things. And >"weight discrimination," as in the also-famous case of a Santa Cruz health >food store turning down the employment application of a "person of >poundage." (The grossly obese Toni Cassista, who sued the health food store >citing weight discrimination...I believe she eventually settled out of >court.) Tim, that's only because the city didn't want to remove the ceiling of the courtroom and hire a crane to lower her into the courtroom through the roof. And they were busy trying to file charges against her for something else entirely. See, she had chemicals within her body in a "quantity not warranted by any legitimate purpose" and "which, when mixed, could be used to produce nerve gas." They figured if she ever ate some beans those beans might act as an ignition charge and...well, no more Santa Cruz. It could have been worse (for her) though. They could have charged her with "possession of a gas discharge device with intent to break wind."

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Re: More microsoft monopoly::Re: NT 4.0 Option Pack released
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Sabotage and Threats a sham.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> To: "dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu" <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 18:14:26 +1300 Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sabotage and Threats a sham. Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> LONDON -- Accusations that criminals are using high-tech weapons to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from banks and stock exchanges are "pure imagination," according to Europe's largest defense electronics research agency. http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19971204S0008 Blair Anderson (Blair(a)technologist.com) International Consultant in Electronic Commerce, Encryption and Electronic Rights Management "Techno Junk and Grey Matter" (HTTP://WWW.NOW.CO.NZ [moving servers, currently inactive]) 50 Wainoni Road, Christchurch, New Zealand phone 64 3 3894065 fax 64 3 3894065 Member Digital Commerce Society of Boston ---------------------------- Caught in the Net for 25 years ---------------------------- For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
by Steve Thompson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In local.lists.cypherpunks-moderated you write: >In <199712041316.IAA18769(a)Empire.Net>, on 12/04/97 > at 08:16 AM, tom <tom(a)Empire.Net> said: >>First define your terms. Then talk about murder. >Hmmmm well the safest answer to this is at the point of conception though >I would imagine that it is hard for most to consider a couple of cells >life. :=/ Abstinance is murder. Letting just _one_ egg miss fertilization denies that egg the chance to become a human being. I think that the felony charge should be manslaughter for this crime as it's not quite as bad as: Birth control Birth control is nothing more than premeditated murder, though I think that a plea-bargain in most cases should be offered: Drop the charge to manslaughter if the perp agrees to artificial insemination with the eggs of some woman who is unable to get pregnant due to some medical condition. However, I hope that medical research is improved to the point where the male can carry the child in such cases. Just think of all of the wonderful people who won't ever be born because some geek is wanking into a tissue, or some thirteen year old is kept from fucking by their prudish parents. Now _these_ people should be brought up on accessory charges... As for Gays and Lezbians, well, sorry but that's right out. Such unproductive behaviour cannot be tolerated. >William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Regards, -- Steve Thompson Misanthrope System Administrator Spam: bogus(a)myofb.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Usenet II -- Because it's time for October. Who knows what the ostrich - Malcolm Ray in n.s.u. sees in the sand. Save the hermetic seals. - Samuel Beckett

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launch memes
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Zooko Journeyman <zooko(a)xs4all.nl> propounded, >Terrorism and violent confrontation are the ultimate form of >politics. Uh, no. Terrorism and violent confrontation BY PROXY are examples of "politics." Terrorism and violent confrontation on one's own behalf is called "recreation." This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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White House humiliates Louis Freeh in public
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- http://www.allpolitics.com/1997/12/04/mccurry/

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Re: words have value, for good or ill
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: > To compound the debating style errors made by Anonymous and his > supporter(s), Anonymous also misrepresented my views about McVeigh and OKC. > In a series of posts a few months or so ago, I made my position clear: that > I could "understand" McVeigh's actions, in the same way one can understand > someone snapping under pressure. I also pooh-poohed the "human tragedy" > aspects of the OKC story in the same way any warrior must pooh-pooh > specific cases where innocents, alleged or real, die in battles. What Tim May actually wrote on May 9, 1997, was: > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that. This is not a matter of "understanding" McVeigh's actions. This is a matter of agreeing with them, of becoming convinced that he did the right thing. It is a totally different position. Consider: anyone might legitimately say they could understand why the government opposes access to cryptography. It represents a threat to their monopoly power. But if someone said they were becoming convinced that restrictions on access to crypto were a good thing, we'd be attacking them in an instant. These are two completely different issues. One is a matter of understanding evil motivations, which we can all benefit by. The other is a matter of advocacy of evil. That must be opposed, and in fact this list has been a strong force for such opposition. When Tim May was explicitly offered an opportunity to repudiate his earlier statement, he refused. He wrote, in response to that offer: > I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Get used to it. Or leave, even better. So there it is in black and white. Tim May refuses to withdraw his earlier comments about becoming convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. He means what he says and he says what he means. Yet he attempts to characterize them in other messages as a matter of "understanding" McVeigh's actions. He is trying to have it both ways: powerful rhetoric followed by mealy-mouthed temporizing. Perhaps the answer is simply that May does not agree with his earlier comments, but is too much of a coward to admit that he was wrong. These mis-characterizations of his views are his attempt to amend and correct them without having to concede that he, the great Tim May, made a mistake. This would not reflect very well on him, but it may be consistent with his character. Has May ever admitted to a mistake on any non-trivial matter? Perhaps not. The problem this raises is that it is difficult to know where May stands on any issue. He makes contradictory statements, refuses to reconcile them, even refuses to admit that they are contradictory. Which is his true view? No doubt, whichever one turns out to be most convenient in the end. What a weak and childish individual this is, this man who is said to be the most respected of the cypherpunks.

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