December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Bulk Email For Profit !!
by nuapuosao29＠iddqd.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you would like to be removed from our list(s), hit reply and type remove in the subject of your letter. ********************************************************* MAIL THOUSANDS OF EMAIL MESSAGES PER HOUR - NO KIDDING !! SEND YOUR EMAIL MESSAGES OUT, AT 1,000's MESSAGES / HOUR (28.8K modem) YES, 1,000's Of Messages An Hour ****************************************************** 68+ MILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES ******** $100.00 ******* ****************************************************** YOU'LL RECEIVE 2 HIGH-SPEED EMAIL SOFTWARE PROGRAMS Introducing...."FLOODGATE BULK EMAIL LOADER" AND...."GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER" This is the same software that all bulk emailing services use! ******************************************************** TO COMPLIMENT OUR PACKAGE............ WE NOW MAKE AVAILABLE...........A BULK FRIENDLY ISP !!! See Our Order Form Below For Details ********************************************************* GET A "BULK FRIENDLY" WEB HOST ACCOUNT FROM US FOR ONLY $45.00 PER MONTH* *($100 one-time setup fee additional) ********************************************************* Floodgate Bulk Email Loader Version 6.0 AND Goldrush Stealth Mass Mailer Version 3.215 for Windows 95 and Windows 3.1 now Supports 17 (really more with the free form filter) File Formats --------------------------------------------------------- SEND OUT 20,000+ MARKETING LETTERS EVERY SINGLE DAY! Or...every few days. In fact, when I send out just a few thousand marketing letters each day, it doesn't take long before I'm completely swamped with email inquiries and phone calls. This is very easy to do. And each one of these bulk mailings costs me nothing. I can teach you how to do this and provide you with the tools you'll need. If you've got a good marketing letter, I'll show you how to open the floodgates. You'll be deluged with inquiries, leads, and real sales, using nothing but email alone. Writing a good marketing letter is not easy. I often have to rewrite my marketing letters a half dozen times before I get the results I'm looking for. But once you have a good letter, as you probably know, you can use the same letter over and over again, predictably and consistently, closing sales, week after week, month after month. It takes me about one hour to send my marketing letter to THOUSANDS of fresh email addresses. I can do this, thanks to a Windows program I use. It's called Floodgate and Goldrush Stealth Mass Mailer. It's a bulk email loader and an email software program. If you're interested in electronic marketing, you should know about these programs. PROGRAM #1: FLOODGATE FOR WINDOWS The Floodgate Bulk Email Loader imports simple text files that anyone can download from CompuServe, Prodigy, Delphi Genie, or the Internet. These text files contain classified ads, forum messages, or data from the member directory. Each of these files is filled with email addresses. Floodgate is designed to read these files and strip out the email addresses. It then sorts the addresses, removes any duplicates, and formats them into an output file, with 10, 20 or 30 addresses per line. This is all done in one simple step. Just point and click. You'll need either a Windows based Internet account or an America On-line account to send out your marketing letters. Neither AOL nor the Internet charges to send email. Send your letter to 1,000 people or 10,000 people -- the cost is always the same. NOTHING! NEW! PREPARE A MAILING OF 50,000+ IN LESS THAN A 1/2 HOUR If you open an Internet account, you can send each letter to 20,000+ people. The new Floodgate now directly writes distribution lists. Some people are always collecting new addresses, but if you publish a newsletter or adsheet, you'll be using the same addresses over and over again. That's real power! When using addresses you've previously collected, you can press a few buttons and prepare a mailing of 50,000+ in less than a half hour. (To get a list of all the Internet access providers in your local calling area goto: http://thelist.com and click on your area code.) The Floodgate Users Guide will teach you, step by step, how to download the right files, how to strip the addresses, and finally, how to cut and paste the formatted addresses into your marketing letter. Or, if you have an Internet account, how to create distribution lists. One you've done this a few times you won't even have to think. It's that simple! FOR THE BRAVE & DARING: PUSHING TECHNOLOGY TO ITS LIMITS As you may know, the practice of sending unsolicited email is usually frowned upon, and most service providers have rules against it. But, like jay-walking, there is little enforcement. It's not illegal. If someone tells you that it is, ask them to provide the citation (and don't let them give you some nonsense about faxes - that's not email). They can't do it because it's not there. Sometimes, when a lot of people complain, I get a warning letter. And that's about it. About 1 in 200 will write back and tell me, "take me off the list", which I can do, thanks to Floodgates Remove List feature. Many people reply back thanking me for sending them my informative letter. That's always nice. Most people though, just reply and say, "send me more info." In this way, it usually takes me two or three letters to close a sale. The Floodgate Users Guide will provide you with proven formats for writing a successful marketing letter. You'll test and rewrite, test and rewrite. Then, once you've got it, just push a few buttons, and open the floodgates!!! THE FLOODGATE BULK EMAIL LOADER CURRENTLY SUPPORTS 17+ FILE FORMATS 1. CompuServe Classifieds: Send your marketing letter to everyone who is running a classified ad. I'll teach you how to download all the classifieds from any single ad category. This is one of the most responsive list of buyers. They check their email every day and they're already in business. 2. America On-line Classifieds: Download 1,000 addresses in 15 minutes. These are excellent lists for business to business sales. 3. CompuServe Forums: You can join a forum and download hundreds of forum messages in a matter of minutes. 4. America On-line Forums: Choose from dozens of forums. All good targeted lists. 5. Prodigy Forums: Prodigy allows you to easily export any group of forum messages. More targeted lists. 6. Internet Newsgroups: These are all targeted lists. You'll be able to send your marketing letter to everyone who posts a message in any newsgroup. Easily collect 1,000's of addresses per hour. 7. America On-line Member Directory: Most member directories only allow you to search by city and state. With AOL, you can search by business type, hobbies, computer type, etc. This is the gem of all member directories. Build huge targeted lists. 8. CompuServe Member Directory: This is a major resource. If you're willing to target your mailing to a single city, you can collect about 1,000 email addresses an hour. 9. Delphi Member Directory: The Delphi member directory allows you to search for people based on key words. These are good targeted mailing lists. A single search can easily generate 5,000 addresses. 10. Genie Member Directory: Similar to the CompuServe member directory, only you can download names much quicker. You can easily pull hundreds of thousands of addresses out of each of these member directories. 11. CompuServe File Cabinet: If you run classified ads, and save the responses in the CIM file cabinet, you'll be able to easily reuse these addresses. You can send your marketing letter to everyone in any single folder. Build master lists and clean UP your hard drive. 12. Free Form: If you have a text file with email addresses that floodgate does not support, chances are the Free Form filter will be just what you need. Just enter a key word to search for. 13. CompuServe Form Profiles (Forum Membership Directories): Easy to build targeted lists here. Each search can easily bring you 500+ addresses. 14. Genie Profiles: If you're building targeted lists, you'll get a lot of addresses very quickly from Genie. 15. Plain Addresses: Read Floodgate Master Files back into Floodgate to merge files and do selective mailings. Also useful for the management of email address lists that you might purchase. Floodgate also has filters to allow you to include or exclude any groups of addresses in your final distribution lists. For example, you could include only email addresses that ended in .com or exclude all with .gov. You could exclude all noc, root, and other addresses that almost guarantee a negative response. These filters are fully configurable and can be used together. BUILD REUSABLE MASTER FILES Floodgate maintains Master Files for each of your marketing letters. If you download from the same place on a regular basis, you only want to send your letter to the new people. Floodgate will compare the new addresses with those in the Master File, and prepare a mailing list of only new people. The new addresses are, of course, then added to the Master File. With each new mailing your Master File grows and grows. You may create as many Master Lists as you need. When you start a new marketing campaign, you'll want to send your new letter to everyone on your Master List. If you write a newsletter, each time you send your newsletter, you'll send it to everyone on a Master List. THE REMOVE LIST Very often, people will reply and tell you to take them off your mailing list. Place these addresses in the REMOVE.MST file and they will never receive another letter from you again. In this way, you will be operating your business with the most professionalism possible. DON'T BE FOOLED We have some new competitors that have tried to copy Floodgate. The following list describes why Floodgate is BETTER....... **Floodgate is a mature, bug free product. Not an initial release. **Floodgate comes with over 100 pages of step by step documentation. **Floodgate is the only one offering a money back guarantee. **Floodgate has more testimonials. **Filter for filter, Floodgate offers more capabilities, way more. **Floodgate does everything all the others *combined* claim. **Floodgate is by far the easiest to use. **There is NO *cutting and pasting* with Floodgate. **We have by far, the BEST technical support. SOME QUICK MATH Floodgate can pay for itself in a few days. It can also cut your advertising costs down to almost nothing. Think of what the competition will do when they get their Floodgate program. Don't be left in the dust - there are 75 million people out there, just a few keystrokes away. Let's do the math: - Email 50,000 sales letters (takes about 1-2 hours) - Let's say your product will bring you $5 profit per sale. - Let's also say you only get a 1% response(occasionally higher). * That's 500 orders x $5 = $2,500 profit !! Now imagine what 500,000 letters would do for your business !! WHAT CAN I MARKET ON-LINE? You can market anything on-line using direct email, that can be marketed using conventional postal direct mail marketing. The possibilities are practically endless. If it sells off-line, you can sell it on-line. EASY TO INSTALL AND EASY TO LEARN The Floodgate Email Loader requires Windows. The SUPPLIED MANUAL tells you where to go, what to do, and how to do it. All you need are basic computer skills that can be learned with a little practice or help from our computer savvy technicians. PROGRAM #2: GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER Do not get this program confused with other slow speed programs that call themselves "STEALTH". This program is the only one in the world that can send email out at HIGH SPEEDS with one single connection to the internet. This is NEW, Cutting Edge Email Technology. First Of It's Kind.. The Most Powerful BULK EMAIL SENDER In The World.. NOTHING CAN EVEN COME CLOSE! Thanks to our top programmer's, this technology is NOW available and we are the only place you can get it from! *ONLY "ONE" DIAL-UP OR ISDN CONNECTION NEEDED. *NO MORE TERMINATED CONNECTIONS. *NO MORE WAITING TO SEND LARGE AMOUNTS OF EMAIL. *IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO YOUR MASS MAILINGS. *YOU WILL HAVE ALL THE CONTROL AND CONFIDENCE OF SENDING EMAIL THE WAY IT SHOULD BE SENT... IN HUGE AMOUNTS! *SEND YOUR WHOLE LIST IN ONE DAY, WHETHER IT BE 500,000 OR 5 MILLION - AND JUST SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR YOUR ORDERS TO POUR IN. *NO MORE DOWNLOADING UNDELIVERABLE NAMES. Bulk Emailer's Dream Come True!!! - >>>GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER<<< Connect to multiple mail servers (20 or more), make multiple connections to a single server or any combination of the two ( All Simultaneously ) with one single dial-up connection. SEND MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS MAILINGS... View complete details about your mailings. Shows each server your connected to, the status of that connection, how many messages are going out through that connection, etc... We show you ALL the tricks all the mass e-mailers don't want you to know... Here are just a few features the GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER offers to you... *Forge the Header - Message ID - ISP's will Spin their wheels. *Add's a Bogus Authenticated Sender to the Header. *Add's a complete bogus Received From / Received By line with real time / date stamp and recipient to the Header. *Does NOT require a valid POP Account be entered in order to send your mailings. *Easy to use and operate *Plus much more! All this, at speeds of up to 1,000's messages/hour (28.8k modem). SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICE... NOW YOU CAN HAVE BOTH THE FLOODGATE AND GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER FOR JUST $499.00! UPDATE ... SAVE $149.05 AND ORDER NOW, BE ONE OF THE FIRST 100 ORDERS! Step up to the plate and play with the big boys TODAY and receive the COMPLETE 2 SOFTWARE PACKAGE for the unbelievably low price of ONLY $349.95! (Other bulk email software has sold for as much as $2,500 and can't even come close to the cutting edge technology of EASE, ACCURACY AND SPEED ... SPEED ... SPEED!) Try the Goldrush Stealth Mass Mailer & Floodgate Bulk Email Loader for 10 days FREE. And receive UNLIMITED technical support for 30 days. ************************************************************** 68+ MILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF EMAIL ADDRESSES CD with 68+ MILLION email addresses separated by domain name. All addresses are simple text format one per line. Addresses from the following domains: MCI, Delphi, Compuserve, Internet, .com & .net, MILLIONS OF THEM! Not available on diskette or download. ===> WANT THE 68+ MILLION ADDRESSES FOR $100.00? <=== Just buy our Floodgate / Goldrush software package (with ALL the bonuses INCLUDED), and the MILLIONS of addresses are yours for just $100.00 additional. These addresses will be delivered to you in simple text files that any bulk emailing program can use, on CD Rom. With this CD, YOU CAN BEGIN MAKING MONEY IMMEDIATELY!!! *************************************************************** ***SPECIAL BONUS #1:*** STOP Losing ISP Dial Up Accounts! If you order The FLOODGATE / GOLDRUSH software within the next 5 days - When you receive your program, you will also receive: *Complete instructions on "how to keep your dial up account from showing up in the header", plus everything you will need to get started doing this. IMPORTANT NOTICE! We will initially only be offering 100 copies of the program for sale, First come / First Served basis only. We are doing this because of the extreme power that these programs offer. ***SPECIAL BONUS #2*** When you receive your two programs, you will also receive: OVER 250 REPRINT AND RESELL RIGHTS REPORTS YOU CAN START TO MARKET AND MAKE MONEY IMMEDIATELY!!! These HOT sellers include: 1) How to Get a Top Rating in the Search Engines 2) 70 Money Making Reports 3) 75 MONEY MAKING PLANS & TRADE SECRETS and MUCH MUCH MORE!!! ($200 RETAIL VALUE - FREE!!!) ***SPECIAL BONUS #3*** With your two software programs, you will also receive our NEW "Address Grabber" utility program that enables you to grab 100's of THOUSANDS of email addresses from newsgroups in minutes ($100 RETAIL VALUE - FREE). ***SPECIAL BONUS #4*** RECEIVE CHECKS BY EMAIL, PHONE OR FAX MACHINE. With this software program, you can receive payment for your product or service INSTANTLY!! There is no more waiting for your customers chec to arrive. This software will no doubt, add to your sales, for customers who don't have credit cards, as well as the impulse buyers. With this software, you can print up your payments as soon as your customer gives you his/her checking information. You will then add the information given, to the proper blank check spaces, then just print and go to the bank!! *************************************************** To get your FREE demo and "test drive" our state-of-the-art software, email us your request by hitting reply and typing "flood" in the subject of your letter. **************************************************** HURRY ... RESERVE YOURS TODAY! So, if you are interested in taking advantage of the most powerful bulk email software in the world and start making money hand over fist..... Print out the EZ ORDER form below and FAX or MAIL it to our office. If you have any questions don't hesitate to call us at: 1-954-784-0312 SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS 386 or larger Windows 95 OR Windows 3.1 with 8 meg ram Extra 5 MB hard drive space Floodgate & Goldrush can be run on a fast Mac with 24 MB RAM and SoftWindows. NOTES FROM SATISFIED USERS "It is everything you said it was. Within one week of my first mailing, I received a record number of orders. All you need to print money is a decent sales letter. Thanks." Randy albertson, Wolverine Capital. "After using Floodgate and your utility program all day today, let me say these are as two of the finest programs I have ever bought in my 52 years! Your support has been superb. Thank You!" Vernon Hale, Prime Data Systems "My first day and I just used Floodgate and Pegasus to send 1,469 sales letters. So far I've got about 25 positive responses. It works GREAT!!! Thanks." Donald Prior "Floodgate is awesome!. I recently started a new business on-line. I stripped the addresses of the AOL & CIS classifieds. I sent out 3,497 email letters and got over 400 people to join my company in 5 days! Needless to say, it pays for itself." David Sheeham, OMPD "I was able to use Floodgate to extract the names from the Internet news groups. It works perfectly. Needless to say, I am very excited about the use of this new technology." Mark Eberra, Inside Connections "This is a great piece of software and an invaluable marketing tool." Joe Kuhn, The Millennium Group "I just thought you'd like to know that this program is fantastic. After loading it on my system, I wanted to test it out. In my first hour of using this, I collected 6,092 email addresses!" Richard Kahn, LD Communications "I just love the Floodgate program. It saves me hours and hours of time. This is the beginning of a wonderful FUN time marketing on-line. Thank you so much for writing this program." Beth O'Neill, Eudora, KS "Your software is brilliant, and from the technical support I've received, I can see you have a genuine love and respect of people...Floodgate is a divine package. Wish I had found it sooner." Tom Sanders, Peoria, IL "I really like the way the Floodgate software package works. It is very easy to use, and really does the trick. It has already saved me an incredible amount of time and energy." John Berning, Jr., Fairfield, NJ "It's going great with FLOODGATE! I like using Delphi. I just collected 50,000+ addresses within 20 minutes on-line." Richard Kahn, R&B Associates ------------------------------------------------- E-Z ORDER FORM: Please print out this order form and fill in the blanks...... Please send order form and check or money order, payable to: Dave Mustachi P.O. Box 772261 Coral Springs, FL 33077-2261 (954) 784-0312 ______Yes! I would like to try your cutting-edge software so that I can advertise my business to thousands of people on-line whenever I like! I understand that I have 10 days to trial the software. If I am not fully delighted, I will cheerfully be refunded the purchase price, no questions asked! Please rush me the FLOODGATE and GOLDRUSH package now! ______I am ordering within 72 hours! That qualifies me to receive the FLOODGATE and GOLDRUSH package at a substantial discount! I am ordering BOTH software packages for only $349.95. (Save $150 off the retail price....Software has sold for as much as $2,499.95) ______I am ordering within 72 hours! That qualifies me to receive UNLIMITED technical support for 30 days. ______I want to receive the package OVERNIGHT. I'm including $18.00 for shipping charges. ______I want to receive the package 2nd DAY. I'm including $10.00 (includes insurance & return receipt) for shipping charges. ______I'm ordering Floodgate / Goldrush software and want to order the 68+ MILLION email addresses as well. My additional cost is $100.00 enclosed. ______I'm NOT ordering your Floodgate / Goldrush software, but I want to order your 40 MILLION email addresses on CD. Enclosed is $249.00. ______I'm ordering your "BULK FRIENDLY" web hosting offer. Add $145 to this order ($45 PLUS $100 one time setup fee) I authorize Dave Mustachi to draft $45.00 per month from my checking account from the enclosed check OR charge my credit card account below each month for the service of hosting my BULK FRIENDLY web page that I can use in my BULK EMAIL marketing letter(s). Signature:____________________________________________ **************************************************** If you're interested in our "BULK FRIENDLY ISP", please call: Russell Rockefeller 1-905-714-7510 for details. **************************************************** (CHECKS: ALLOW 1 WEEK FOR BANK CLEARANCE) YOUR NAME_________________________________________________ COMPANY NAME_________________________________________________ YOUR POSITION_____________________________________________ STREET ADDRESS______________________________________________ CITY, STATE, ZIP____________________________________________ PHONE NUMBERS_______________________________________________ FAX NUMBERS_________________________________________________ EMAIL ADDRESSES_____________________________________________ ************************************************************ We accept Checks, Money Orders, MasterCard, Visa, American Express. You can either mail your order to us OR fax your order to: 954-572-5837 ************************************************************ Today's date:_____________ Visa____MasterCard____American Express____Discover_______ Card #:____________________________________________________ Expiration date:___________________________________________ Name on card:______________________________________________ Billing address:___________________________________________ Amount to be charged: $________________ Signature:___________________________________________ I agree to pay Dave Mustachi an additional $29 fee if my check is returned for insufficient or uncollectable funds. SIGNATURE: X________________________________DATE:_______________ Please send all order forms and check or money order to payable to: Dave Mustachi P.O. Box 772261 Coral Springs, FL 33077 (954) 784-0312 *************************************************** OR: PLEASE PASTE YOUR CHECK HERE (If you fax a check, there is no need for you to send the original check by mail. We will draft up a new check, with the exact information from your original check that you faxed to us) Please fax the above order form and check to: 1-954-

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Telco Trafic
by Michael Conlen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are their products designed to encrypt trafic across Frame Relay or dedicated telco circuits? Groove on Dude Michael Conlen meconlen(a)intnet.com The code was willing, It considered your request, But the chips were weak.

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Schneier on SET
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

from Internet World, 2 Mar 98, "Reply to All" (reader feedback) Credit card transactions over the Net are new, but not overly different. We know how to do credit card transactions where there is no physical card: over the pohne. And we know how to establish a secure merchant-customer session: via SSL. SET is a complicated, server-intensive protocol, and I have trouble believing its possible to implement a two-inch-thick standard without security bugs. I'm not surprised merchants are so slow in acepting it. Why bother? [signed by Bruce Schneier]

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MSDNFlash, Volume 2, Number 5, March 9, 1998
by MSDNFlash Editor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 01:55:29PM -0500, Vin McLellan wrote: > > Whoever at NSA decided that the US national security interests in > crippled-crypto products, such as it is, could be sustained by such a > mechanism obvously never heard of the 2600 tone, once the biggest secret of > the telephone companies. And those who ignore the past, etc., etc.... As someone who was alive and curious back then (mid 60's), I'd take issue with this. I found plenty of technical papers in the Bell System Technical Journal proudly describing so called SF E&M signalling (which uses 2600 hz) in great detail, along with MFKP (blue box tones) and the whole signalling and switching architecture of the (then) Bell system. They were proud of what they had developed and quite willing to share it with the technical community - it was no dark secret at all. There was even a technical paper that described in detail a bizzare two frequency one transistor oscillator that allowed them to build what was essentially a blue box into a operator console keypad. The problem was that nobody outside of a few insider engineers with devious twisted hacker style imaginations and the spook agency types had ever asked what might happen if you sent these in-band tones down the line from a subscriber telephone at just the right (or wrong) moments, and what it might be possible to do with this knowlage. Nobody else knew or cared to find out what might happen if... It is a sad day for US national security if people entrusted with protecting it don't think about how to defeat the protections they put in place because they are linear thinkers hobbled by the idea that everyone will do only the most obvious things. But I really think that they perfectly well know that current software can be easily patched to defeat controls, and that there is little they can do about it. Nor is the threat from software patches to Netscape really likely to endanger much, since there is already a lot of software like PGP available that is already strong. In fact I rather suspect that they are quite happy to see that patch in ciculation since it substantially bolsters their long held insistance that all crypto be implemented in tamperproof hardware chips and not software. What scares me, as I have said before on this list, is what happens when future tamperproof Intel CPUs acquire the ability to run encrypted code decrypted inside the processor and all copies of Windows 2001 are completely unpatchable and opaque (without breaking the crypto) and nicely jiggered to enforce rules about what programs are allowed to do what or even run at all. -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:35 PM -0800 3/8/98, Dave Emery wrote: > What scares me, as I have said before on this list, is what >happens when future tamperproof Intel CPUs acquire the ability to run >encrypted code decrypted inside the processor and all copies of Windows >2001 are completely unpatchable and opaque (without breaking the crypto) >and nicely jiggered to enforce rules about what programs are allowed to >do what or even run at all. I think the logical result of the wide-spread deployment of such systems in the US is loss of leadership in technology. Modern technology is very dependent on high performance software. Between cutting off small scale development and pissing off licensed developers, it sounds like a way to cut the nation's throat. It is hard to see how you could make an OS that prevented you from building a Touring machine and still support the generalized programming needed for technological leadership. I expect that encrypted instruction streams will only be used for copy protection, probably with the same market acceptance that other copy protection schemes have received. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If hate must be my prison | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | lock, then love must be | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | the key. - Phil Ochs | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 04:35:25PM -0500, Dave Emery wrote: > On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 01:55:29PM -0500, Vin McLellan wrote: > > > What scares me, as I have said before on this list, is what > happens when future tamperproof Intel CPUs acquire the ability to run > encrypted code decrypted inside the processor and all copies of Windows > 2001 are completely unpatchable and opaque (without breaking the crypto) > and nicely jiggered to enforce rules about what programs are allowed to > do what or even run at all. > To amplify my point a bit, it is widely reported that Bill Gates (who is alleged to have started out in business by pirating and selling DEC software as a high school student) has a particularly keen desire to control the widespread piracy of MS products. His aggressive pushes to assert his property rights are well known (and not atypical of reformed sinners if the probably apocryphal report is true). And Microsoft, with its enormous market share of Wintel software, has a very strong incentive to push for implementation of copyright controls and smartcard authentication for its products into the basic architecture of PCs. And guess what - it controls the high level architecture of the worlds PCs pretty much entirely by its monopoly control of the major operating systems that run on them. So it seems frighteningly likely that Microsoft - which would stand to gain a lot of money now lost to piracy from such a feature - will very gladly do all it can to see that crypto based strong copyright enforcement is built into the hardware and inner regions of the operationg system of Wintel systems. And making this work clearly requires that the relevant parts of the inner kernel be unmodifiable (easy to do with digital signatures), and probably kept extremely secret (easy to do with crypto). In such an environment it is awfully easy to strike a deal with the government that adds a little piece or two of code in that black inner space in exchange for a bending a bit on anti-trust enforcement. -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: Encryption export controls are a rationalization of a "cheat"
by 'die＠die.com' 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 01:59:53PM -0800, Ernest Hua wrote: > today. I am not aware of what cellular spectrum chip sets are available > via Wyle or some other distributor, but I wouldn't be surprised if the > cost of a digital intercept equivalent gear would be much more than $300 > in parts plus a 300MHz PC (to decode the intercepted stream). I don't think I'll bother the list with this, but a big problem with cellphones is that people have cellphones. And cellphones are generally not designed to be tamperproof (in many cases little or no effort in this cost competitive market has gone into this) so making a real cellphone serve as the front end to a snooping system has and will be done and in fact be the easiest hack engineering solution. > > The question is, what is worth the potential interceptor's time and > money to do this? It's obvious that politics is enough for the Florida > couple (in the Gingrich case). For a college-age hacker, "because I can > do it" plus "I work in a well-stocked University lab" is probably enough > reason. I won't venture to guess what is worth a criminal's time and > money, but surely existing models for analog piracy behavior is enough > to characterize the trade-offs. There are lots and lots of people who like to be spectators and are keenly interested in other people's affairs. All of us are to some degree - witness the feeding frenzy over the Monica affair - and some guestimates have estimated that perhaps as much as 40% of analog cell calls near large cities are being eavesdropped on by at least one other person. > > In short, we violently agree on the technical plus behavioral front. > But we are preaching to the choir. The real audience for a > easy-to-understand summary is Congress. They need to understand that > the assumptions 30 years ago do not apply today. And that market demand > for more and more technically-literate engineering professionals along > with the phenomenal downward price spiral in PC's and consumer > electronics gear will simply make those assumptions even less applicable > in the future. That problem is getting worse rather than better. The media depiction of the mysterious "hacker" long haired mad kid intent on evil invasion of the worlds computers is helping create the illusion that there is a separate techno criminal class. But the reality is that more and more people are crossing the barriers that the older lawyers in congress never tried to cross and learning something about technology and software. And these people are the guy next door with the cute kids, not fringe crazies. And the evil net allows information to become available much more widely than before. > > Regarding my moral or ethical argument, I am using the fuzzy standard > set by what society will accept or not accept. From my perspective, there are deep divisions and ambivalences in what the US people will tolerate. They hate the idea of being spied open but buy nanny cams and gobble up spy novels and TV shows. They purchase millions of police scanners and react in horror when Linda Tripp tapes a conversation to protect her ass. And they expect the US government to be on top of events around the world and have inside knowlage of other governments and react in horror when their spies are unmasked within our walls, and their eavesdropping gets shown on the nightly news. And cities install more and more cameras and bosses read more email and listen to more calls on business phones every year. > I don't think I need to > argue that most American citizens will be really really pissed if they > found out that the NSA is spying here via their British counterparts, or > that the FBI has conducted far more intercepts than they officially > report. Yes, its definately sausage but it tastes good... > I am definitely not arguing that the FBI or the NSA has any > obligation to inform the public of what weaknesses they use to gain an > intercept advantage. What concerns most people is that they see > (correctly) that the NSA's advantage was not based on technical > superiority, but on the ignorance of everyone else. That is true, and it is also sadly true that a lot of their effort has gone into frank deception, and active determined efforts to block those of us who have been fighting for incorperating at least minimal crypto communications security into the infrastructure. The Internet is ending this era, however, because it is no longer possible to control the flow of information and news about communications security and crypto, and slowly the holes will get plugged. People do get more > intelligent over time, and the rapid public gain in the cryptography > area has pretty much wiped out the gains the NSA has depended on over > the last 50 years. If the average person understands that what the FBI > and the NSA REALLY want is for you to be stupid (at least in the area of > communications security), then there would be an uproar. > This is happening, and that is why Louie is grabbing desperately for the last chance... and why congress is busily passing anti scanner bills to solve the cellphone privacy problem that don't mention a thing about cryptography. Their desparate hope is if they say it solomnly enough and with enough ceremony the public will see the emporer's clothes -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Wrong Address???
by Roger H Tancrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To Cypherpunks: In the last couple days, I have received many, many e-mail messages. How did I get your your group list??? Perhaps, you have the wrong "Roger". Please remove my name. Thanks. Roger Tancrell

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