December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: PGP 5.5 CMR/GAK: a possible solution
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jon(a)pgp.com wrote: > This is exactly CMR. The only thing that Business 5.5 does is automatically > add the department for you, and put up the recipient dialog so it can be > taken off. Congrats. On the contrary, it is *not* CMR. CMR encrypts to multiple keys for a single recipient. This system only ever encrypts to one key per recipient. PGP 5.5's ability to force people to encrypt to multiple keys for one recipient is the evil aspect of the design, because it's the one which allows it to be used to enforce GAK. PGP's CMR can be used to force everyone to encrypt to the FBI as well as the NSA. My system can't. I tried very hard to make this distinction clear in my description. I'm amazed that so many people seemed to miss it. Mark

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Resent because god-damned Netscape screwed up the line-breaks] A PGP Employee wrote: >> Unfortunately these people just don't get it. Corporations refused >> to buy 5.0 because it did not have any way for the corps to get at >> email encrypted to their employees. There are some very legitimate >> uses of this, such as when an employee dies and someone else has >> to take over for them. No, PGP Inc 'just don't get it'. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there who disagree with the entire concept of CMR, and I'm not very happy with it myself. But that's not the most important issue here. Since this point just doesn't seem to get through to PGP Inc employees, I'm going to shout. FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK. FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK! FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK!! FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK!! !!!*FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK*!!! Is that clear enough? Do you understand what I (and, apparently, Adam Back and others) am saying now? The problem is not so much with the fact that you're supporting company needs, but with the way you're doing so. >> They also don't seem to realize that you always have the ability >> to remove the MRK from your list of recipients. Just as government-supported rating schemes are purely voluntary and will be so for, oh, I don't know, a couple of years? Once the infrastructure is there, we need only an executive order to make it mandatory. If this software ships in its current form and becomes the dominant player in the market, in four or five years all keys will be GMR keys with the FBI or NSA as one mandatory recipient. You 'privacy zealots' will have created the government's surveillance infrastructure. I hope you'll feel proud. >> Sometimes I really feel like screaming at these people. _All_ of >> the developers at PGP are personal privacy zealots and no one >> likes the idea of the MRK. Good. Then reimplement it to avoid giving the government a GAK/GMR infrastructure. Yesterday I posted a modified version of PGP's CMR to the cypherpunks list which can't be used for GAK because it only encrypts to one key; Jon Callas just told me I'd 'redesigned PGP 5.5'. Cool. I've redesigned PGP 5.5 so that it can't support GAK; in that case, please implement it, or accept that you're deliberately choosing to support the thugs in governments around the world and have become part of the problem. >> That is why we refuse to make them >> required. Just 'mandatory voluntary' for companies which have your SMTP enforcer enabled. What's the difference? >> Most everyone at PGP has >> internalized personal privacy as a cause (actually most had it >> before they joined PGP). So prove it. Stop working on creating a GMR/GAK infrastructure. The current PGP CMR system has numerous problems which many people have pointed out on the cypherpunks list, and you'd do better to solve those problems rather than see them in a major New York Times article about '101 Ways PGP 5.5 Harms Company Security'. How long will PGP Inc last when it's reputation for providing secure products is in tatters, because it chose to release a product which deliberately reduced company security and opened them to new threats, rather than redesign their CMR to remove these problems? The current CMR implementation is bad for us, bad for PGP Inc's commercial customers, and bad for PGP Inc. Why is this so hard for you to accept? Why ship a bad product when you can fix the problems? Mark

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PGP 5.5 CMR/GAK: a possible solution
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Posted to cypherpunks, cc:-ed to Jon Callas] You know, in the last few days I've read a lot of messages on both sides of this debate, and I've umm-ed and ahh-ed and slowly gone from thinking that what PGP are doing is evil to thinking that it's just bad. While I believe that Adam Back's suggestions for alternate systems are good and neccesary ideas for the long-term, I'm coming to the conclusion that PGP are heading in the right direction for the short-term, but have things backwards. The current system sends out a user's personal key, with a tag to say that if I don't encrypt to the company as well, my mail will bounce. But think about this: how often do I want to send email to a particular person in a company, and ensure that only they see it? And how often do I want to send mail to a particular group inside a company? All I want is to ensure that I get a response from the company, I usually don't care who I talk to in the process. So PGP's "everything private unless you choose to make it public" system seems backwards. Surely what we really need to meet these customer demands is an "everything public (within the company) unless you choose to make it private" system? That is, all mail to my department inside the company should be encrypted to a department key, shared by all members, *unless* it is confidential, in which case it should *only* be encrypted to me. Here's how I see this working: when Joe Blow joins Foo-Bah Cryptosystems, he creates his own personal PGP key. He also gets a copy of the department key, which he can use to decrypt any mail which is encrypted to his department; or this decryption could be handled automatically by a department email server to ensure that individuals never have access to the department's private key. PGP then creates a public key for 'Joe Blow <joe.blow(a)foo-bah.com>', which would be the department key with a signed tag linking it to his personal public key. This is the tagged corporate public key which he would give out to any customers. When a customer wishes to send email to Joe, he would use this public key. When encrypting, PGP would detect the tag and put up a dialog box pointing out that this is a corporate key and if they click on the 'confidential' button it will be encrypted to the user's personal key prior to encrypting to the corporate key (by which I mean superencryption, to avoid traffic analysis). The default would be not to superencrypt; and as a side effect this system would be compatible with any version of PGP for non-confidential mail (assuming that version understands the encryption algorithms in use). The effect of this is that if someone wants to send email about an urgent bug and I'm out at lunch, any of my co-workers can read that mail. But if they want to send *me* mail about confidential inter-company negotiations, the co-workers could decrypt the outer layer of the message, but would be blocked by the inner layer encryption to my personal key. As I see it, this system is simple, solves the problems which PGP claim they need to solve without creating the snooping problems Tim and others have discussed, cannot easily be adapted to GAK ('This message is to be encrypted to the FBI public key. If it is confidential, click here to superencrypt to the recipient's personal key'), and won't require a massive change to the PGP source code. There are some obvious security issues with having the department key shared amongst the members of the department, but I don't see that they are any worse than PGP's current CMR implementation, which has already discussed the use of department keys; it's certainly better than using plaintext. There are also problems with encrypting confidential mail to multiple recipients, but they're surmountable; an easy solution, if you don't care about traffic analysis, is to only encrypt confidential mail to the personal key rather than superencrypt with the corporate key. In most cases such mail wouldn't be sent to multiple recipients anyway. So here's how I'd see the simple system working: A PGP CMR key would consist of 1. A corporate key; this might be company-wide, department-wide, or an individual escrowed key; this choice is a seperate key-management issue for the corporation. 2. Optionally a personal key, which could only be decrypted by the individual. 3. A signature from the corporate key linking the personal key to it and the specified User Id. 4. Optional flag to indicate which key to encrypt to by default. 5. User Id, signatures, etc When PGP was asked to encrypt to such a key, it would check for the optional personal key. If it wasn't there, it would put up a warning box to tell the user that the message can be read by people other than the recipient. If it is, then it would put up a dialog box allowing the user to choose whether to encrypt to the corporate key or the individual key, normally defaulting to the corporate key. This system could not easily become GAK because it will only encrypt to one of the keys and not both; the FBI could create FBI CMR keys from all our public keys, but then PGP would either encrypt to the FBI and I wouldn't be able to read it, or encrypt to me and the FBI wouldn't be able to read it. Anyone care to pick any holes? Mark |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |Mark Grant M.A., U.L.C. EMAIL: mark(a)unicorn.com | |WWW: http://www.unicorn.com/ MAILBOT: bot(a)unicorn.com | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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Fwd: 56-bit RSA/RC5 Cracked
by Jeffrey Gold 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apologies if this already seen - JG =================================== Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:26:52 -0400 To: mac crypto list <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)vmeng.com> Subject: RC5 cracked Press Release and Background Sheet FORMAL PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release Contact: David McNett October 22,1997 205-458-8208 SECURE ENCRYPTION CHALLENGED BY INTERNET-LINKED COMPUTERS CHICAGO, IL (October 22, 1997) In what could be called the largest distributed-computing effort ever, tens of thousands of computers linked across the Internet, under the leadership of distributed.net, decrypted a message encoded with RSA Labs' 56-bit RC5 encryption algorithm. Considered by many experts to be a sufficient level of encryption, this feat has cast grave doubts in the minds of analysts as to the level of encryption required to keep private data secure. "Our effort has shown that it is dangerous to consider any 56-bit key secure", says David McNett, one of the primary coordinators of this distributed supercomputing project. The distributed.net effort to decrypt the encoded message required massive computing power, harnessed by utilizing the idle, or otherwise unused computing power from ordinary office and home computers. Combined, these machines managed to evaluate 47% of the keyspace, or 34 quadrillion keys, before finding the winning key. At the close of the contest there were over 4000 active teams processing over 7 billion keys each second at a combined computing power equivalent to more than 26 thousand high-end personal computers. The work was performed entirely using consumer PCs during off-hours or otherwise idle time. Add them all together, however, and you have the world's largest computer. The winning key was found by Peter Stuer, working for the STARLab Bovine Team coordinated by Jo Hermans and centered in the Computer Science Department (DINF) of the Vrije Universiteit in Brussels, Belgium. Of the US$10000 prize from RSA Labs, Mr. Stuer will receive US$1000. US$8000 is being donated to Project Gutenberg, a non-profit organization created for the purpose of converting the classics of literature into electronic format for the unlimited public use. The remaining US$1000 is being retained by distributed.net to assist in funding future projects. Distributed.net is the brainchild of Adam L. Beberg. It is the largest non-profit venture focused on developing the full potential of distributed computing. Its purpose is to utilize the Internet, allowing home and office computer users to join forces in tackling great and seemingly insurmountable computational challenges. The net result is computing power sufficient to challenge the dominance of even the most expensive mainframes and research computers. Information about distributed.net is available from the official distributed.net web site at: http://www.distributed.net/ MEDIA CONTACTS: David McNett, Voice: (205) 458-8208, Fax: (205) 458-8206 nugget(a)distributed.net ALTERNATE: Adam L. Beberg, (708) 396-9532, beberg(a)distributed.net ------------------------------------------------------------------ SECURE ENCRYPTION CHALLENGED BY INTERNET-LINKED COMPUTERS Background for release dated October 22, 1997 distributed.net data sheet distributed.net web site: http://www.distributed.net/ Related sites: Project Gutenberg: http://www.promo.net/pg/ RSA Labs: http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/ RSA Secret Key Challenge: http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/ Principal organizers: Adam L. Beberg, Software Engineer, Chicago, Illinois Jeff Lawson, Junior Computer Science Major, Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, California David McNett, Computer Programmer/Network Administrator, Birmingham, Alabama Project statistics: Start of contest: January 28, 1997 Start of distributed.net effort: March 20, 1997 End of contest: October 19, 1997 Size of keyspace: 72,057,594,037,927,936 Number of "blocks":268,435,456 Number of keys in one "block": 268,435,456 Peak keys/day: 600,246,644,113,408 Peak keys/second: 7,200,000,000 (estimated) The unencrypted message: "It's time to move to a longer key length" Computing equivalents: Distributed.net is equivalent in processing power to: 14,685 Intel Pentium Pro 200 processors 13,362 Motorola PowerPC 604e/200 processors 116,326 Intel 486DX2/66 processors 58,163 Intel Pentium 133 processors Perspective: distributed.net could compromise 46-bit RC5 in under one hour. If you printed a single page to represent each key block as it was checked and placed those pages in a stack, it would grow 6.24 inches taller every minute. If keys were drops of water, the flow rate would be 464428 litres per second. If Keys were dollars, we could pay off the U.S. National Debt in 12.44 minutes. If keys were bytes, we could fill 290268 3 1/2" floppy diskettes every minute If keys were drops of water, the flow rate would be 122609 gallons per second. If Key Blocks were hamburgers, we could feed the entire city of Phoenix, AZ lunch each day The computer that found the key: CPU: Intel Pentium Pro 200 RAM: 128 megabytes Operating System: Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Owner: Vrije Universiteit, Brussels, Belgium Operator: Peter Stuer More information: http://dinf.vub.ac.be/bovine.html/ MEDIA CONTACTS: David McNett, Voice: (205) 458-8208, Fax: (205) 458-8206 nugget(a)distributed.net ALTERNATE: Adam L. Beberg, (708) 396-9532, beberg(a)distributed.net --Brian Bechtel, blob(a)ricochet.net Vinnie Moscaritolo http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 "You can get a lot more with a smile and a gun then a smile, alone." - Al Capone -- Robert Guerra - PGP public key available on PGP key servers Email-> mailto:az096@freenet.toronto.on.ca Home Page-> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3378

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[rc5] The unknown message is...
by David McNett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It is a great privilege and we are excited to announce that at 13:25 GMT on 19-Oct-1997, we found the correct solution for RSA Labs RC5- 32/12/7 56-bit secret-key challenge. Confirmed by RSA Labs, the key 0x532B744CC20999 presented us with the plaintext message for which we have been searching these past 250 days. The unknown message is: Its time to move to a longer key length In undeniably the largest distributed-computing effort ever, the Bovine RC5 Cooperative (http://www.distributed.net/) under the leadership of distributed.net, managed to evaluate 47% of the keyspace, or 34 quadrillion keys, before finding the winning key. At the close of this contest our 4000 active teams were processing over 7 billion keys each second at an aggregate computing power equivalent to more than 26 thousand Pentium 200s or over 11 thousand PowerPC 604e/200s. Over the course of the project, we received block submissions from over 500 thousand unique IP addresses. The winning key was found by Peter Stuer <peter(a)dinf.vub.ac.be> with an Intel Pentium Pro 200 running Windows NT Workstation, working for the STARLab Bovine Team coordinated by Jo Hermans <Jo.Hermans(a)vub.ac.be> and centered in the Computer Science Department (DINF) of the Vrije Universiteit (VUB) in Brussels, Belgium. (http://dinf.vub.ac.be/bovine.html/) Jos only comments were that "$1000 will buy a lot of beer" and that he wished that the solution had been found by a Macintosh, the platform that represented the largest portion of his teams cracking power. Congratulations Peter and Jo! Of the US$10000 prize from RSA Labs, they will receive US$1000 and plan to host an unforgettable party in celebration of our collective victory. If youre anywhere near Brussels, you might want to find out when the party will be held. US$8000, of course, is being donated to Project Gutenberg (http://www.promo.net/pg/) to assist them in their continuing efforts in converting literature into electronic format for the public use. The remaining US$1000 is being retained by distributed.net to assist in funding future projects. Equally important are the thanks, accolades, and congratulations due to all who participated and contributed to the Bovine RC5-56 Effort! The thousands of teams and tens of thousands of individuals who have diligently tested key after key are the reason we are so successful. The thrill of finding the key more than compensates for the sleep, food, and free time that weve sacrificed! Special thanks go to all the coders and developers, especially Tim Charron, who has graciously given his time and expertise since the earliest days of the Bovine effort. Thanks to all the coordinators and keyserver operators: Chris Chiapusio, Paul Chvostek, Peter Denitto, Peter Doubt, Mishari Muqbil, Steve Sether, and Chris Yarnell. Thanks to Andrew Meggs, Roderick Mann, and Kevyn Shortell for showing us the true power of the Macintosh and the strength of its users. Wed also like to thank Dave Avery for attempting to bridge the gap between Bovine and the other RC5 efforts. Once again, a heartfelt clap on the back goes out to all of us who have run the client. Celebrations are in order. Id like to invite any and all to join us on the EFNet IRC network channel #rc5 for celebrations as we regroup and set our sights on the next task. Now that weve proven the limitations of a 56-bit key length, lets go one further and demonstrate the power of distributed computing! We are, all of us, the future of computing. Join the excitement as the world is forced to take notice of the power weve harnessed. Moo and a good hearty laugh. Adam L. Beberg - Client design and overall visionary Jeff Lawson - keymaster/server network design and morale booster David McNett - stats development and general busybody -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE5sy7N5xKXkPF/DEQLBMwCfadBDxP97DhosT7ILs9vdYRha9nIAnRCl ydiRYhdAplj25nDSZNbXYILS =4dNQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -/\/ugget ________________________________________________________________________ |David McNett |To ensure privacy and data integrity this message has| |nugget(a)slacker.com|been encrypted using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption| |Birmingham, AL USA|Please encrypt all important correspondence with PGP!| ---- To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo(a)llamas.net with 'unsubscribe rc5' in the body.

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17 Dec '03

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Cyberterrorism report according to the NYT
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Day before yesterday I actually saw Ian Goldberg and David Wagner on CNN Headline news, second billing after some auto fuel cell thing, talking about weak encryption etc. in the context of the White House report on cyberterrorism. In any case here's the NYT take on it... Ariel Glenn ariel(a)columbia.edu ----- [beginning irrelevance deleted] The use of encryption by United States residents has been a hotly debated security issue in the White House, in Congress and on the Internet. Louis J. Freeh, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has testified repeatedly that allowing private citizens to use unbreakable encryption would enable criminals to mask their activities unless the police are allowed keys to all scrambled communications. Even so, the commission's report appears to suggest that widespread use of encryption is the nation's first line of defense against attacks by terrorists or spies who want to steal information or eavesdrop. Sophisticated systems like digital signatures can prevent terrorists from shutting down networks, crashing individual computers or erasing databases. Several people familiar with the commission's work, all of whom asked that they not be named, said that the panel had come under intense pressure to support the FBI's plan to build in trap doors known as "key recovery systems" into encryption schemes to make scrambled data easily accessible to the police. In the end, the commission did endorse key recovery, but only because such systems would allow people and companies to recover data if their own keys were lost. It stopped short of recommending easy access for law enforcement. In the interview on Tuesday, Marsh avoided commenting directly on the FBI's assertion that it needs "instant access" to all communications in the nation, saying only that the commission did not "probe into that in great depth." "Exactly how that is done," Marsh said of key recovery systems, "the commission is not expert at that." Some security analysts have argued that a widespread key recovery system could turn out to be a major vulnerability because if it was ever infiltrated or compromised, it would offer cyber-terrorists a database full of keys that could unlock significant portions of communications and computer systems in the United States. In addition to terrorists, any insider could easily reveal secret or proprietary data, either accidentally or maliciously. In recent months, for example, the FBI has been criticized for releasing the background files of Republican leaders to the White House, apparently because of a clerical error. [more irrelevance deleted] Peter Neumann, author of Computer-Related Risks, said of the report: "I think the Commission has made a very important first step toward recognizing the vulnerabilities, threats, and risks." Even so, Neumann said: "They could have gone much further in addressing the risks of the inherently weak computer-communication infrastructures that underlie our critical infrastructures. Also, they almost completely ducked the importance of nonsubvertible cryptography, and issues relating to the intrinsic risks of key-recovery schemes. But the real question is: Where does the government go from here?"

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(no subject)
by Scott L. Haire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Whats the deal on checking out DL info. on the web? I'd like to know what available info is on the web concerning my DL.

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Laws recognizing digital signatures
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have talked to people in government and the offshore private sector here and think Anguilla has a very good chance of passing a law making digital signatures legally recognized, at least for corporations. I think we would be the first taxhaven to do so. Currently companies use corporate seals. I mentioned that there were a few other jurisdictions that had passed some laws like this and they would like me to try to pin down which and, if possible, get copies of the laws. I remember some talk about this on cypherpunks, so I am hoping someone here can tell me which places (think there was some state) have such laws, and if possible tell me where I can get a copy. Thanks, -- Vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vincent Cate Offshore Information Services Vince(a)Offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/ Anguilla, BWI http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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RE: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Arturo Grapa Ysunza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I too have my doubts about Microsoft software. Yes, they clearly >dominate a very lucrative market largely due to, as you mention, "sheer incompetance on the part of the rest of the industry" but another important reason is better marketing. Netscape, for example, could have beaten out MS if they had had better marketing and strategy (incompetance?). I believe the point of the Justice Dept. investigations is anti-trust issues more than it is a witch hunt. We all know that monopolies can, but not necesarily do, produce inferior products. Anti-trust laws are meant to facilitate competition on even ground and that can lead to better products for us the consumers. MS canŽt be blamed for the incompetence of the rest of the industry. If MS wins anti-trust litigation then so be it but someone has to keep them in check. We elect the people who appoint others to review these matters. If no one does it then soon weŽll see "Microsoft Compatible" stickers on the dashboards of our cars, toasters, beepers, etc. And what will happen to Unix then when we live in a Microsoft compatible world? BTW, my beef with MS is primarily quality. If they want to dominate the market then they better give me quality or IŽll spend my money elsewhere. Would you buy a Ford if you knew the tires would fall off if you donŽt install the **latest-and-greatest Service Pack**? I, for one, will keep bugging MS to produce better products. In the meantime, IŽll keep buying from the Unix side (which is also lagging). Arturo Grapa Ysunza agrapa(a)banamex.com Ing. de Comunicaciones Banco Nacional de México, S.A. http://www.banamex.com/ >---------- >Desde: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] >Enviado el: Miércoles 22 de Octubre de 1997 1:07 PM >Para: Lizard >Cc: Jennifer S. Granick >Asunto: Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior > >There was a good op-ed in the WSJ on Monday. The Politics of Envy, >basically. Why everyone in Silicon Valley hates Microsoft... > >But some of the complaints about Microsoft come down to personal taste. The >masses offend refined sensibilities when they buy Windows 95 in droves. >Rein them in! Stop them from buying what they want! Don't let them get free >copies of Internet Explorer. > >I share Lizard's distaste for Microsoft products. My Unix workstation at >home has not one MSFT application on it. I have only Microsoft Word on my >Duo at work, and I could get by with WordPerfect. But our dislike for their >products doesn't mean that we are morally justified in restricting what the >company can do. > >-Declan > > > >At 10:42 -0700 10/22/97, Lizard wrote: >>Uhm...how do 'we all' benefit from having the same Justice Department which >>defended the CDA (and which is pushing for GAK) decide for us all what is, >>and is not, part of an operating system? >> >>These people are not qualified to make ANY judgements about computers -- I >>have to assume the 'experts' they got to tell them about OS software are no >>more qualified than the 'experts' they got to testify about the CDA (L-18, >>anyone?). >> >>I have no great love for Microsoft (I don't think anyone forced to use >>their crappy software does), and, emotionally, I'd like to see them get >>taken down a peg -- but legally and ethically, they are not doing anything >>wrong. They're just being tough competitors. Microsoft has prospered not >>due to any technical brilliance on their part, but due to sheer >>incompetance on the part of the rest of the industry, who have made a hobby >>of underestimating Bill Gates and overestimating their own customers >>loyalty. >> >>It's a pity I'm a mind-flaying victim. If I wasn't, I could forget >>principles and ideals and just say, "Microsoft Big. Microsoft Nasty. Uncle >>Sam stomp Microsoft. Yay, Uncle Sam." But because I work from principle >>FIRST, I have to grant Microsoft the same rights I would grant Sam's Deli >>or Joe's Shoe Store, and that includes the right to offer any combination >>of products or services they wish, and let the market decide to buy or not. > > > >------------------------- >Declan McCullagh >Time Inc. >The Netly News Network >Washington Correspondent >http://netlynews.com/ > > >

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