December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Hacker Links page (fwd)
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I sent this out last night, leaving the Cypherpunks distribution as "cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com." Alas, it does not seem to have propagated to my site. So here it is: >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:09:30 -0700 >To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com>, cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com >(Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer) >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Hacker Links page (fwd) >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > >When I was on the Cyberial-l list, for lawyers and others interested in >cyberspace law issues, this issues of URLs being infringements came up a >couple of times. > >I think the answer is very clear: nobody needs permission of others to >print URLs. > >URLs are like footnotes. They are not actually links or tunnels of any >sort. They are just like "machine readable footnotes." If I refer a reader >to "Applied Cryptography," either by citing the book title and ISBN numer, >I do not need the permission of Bruce Schnier to cite this information. No >copyright law has ever been held to apply to the recitation of such cites. > >A URL is just an address, much like a ISBN number. > >In modern browsers, clicking on such a URL may be perceived as "taking you >there," and in some sense it does. But what the clicking really does is to >invoke the commands needed to send stuff to the address specified in a URL >and ask that site to send some stuff back. > >Jim and others know this, of course, so I am not lecturing them. Rather, I >am framing the debate in terms that copyright lawyers will surely >understand. > >Now, it may be true that Don Lancaster has decided, for example, that he >doesn't "like" the association of his URL with "hacker" topics. Too bad. > >It would be no different if Lancaster were to object to Timothy McVeigh >providing a reference or footnote to Lancaster's "The TTL Cookbook." Even >if McVeigh were to say he found the "TTL Cookbook" essential for building >bomb timers. (Not that far-fetched, actually.) > >"Fair use" extends to even including chunks of another's writing for >purposes of comment, critique, agreement, discussion, etc. It clearly then >applies to cites of the author's books. > >And more than just "fair use," citing the influence of others and saying >where more information can be found is the essence of free speech. > >(Which means I have the feeling Electronic Frontiers Georgia may be >entering the case on the side of Lancaster!) > >And Lancaster's choice to make his URL publically accessible means that >anyone can click on it. Open and shut. > >--Tim May > > There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Password pirates plunder XXX sites, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[We include links to sites with porn passwords in today's story, BTW. --Declan] ******* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1015,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) June 4, 1997 Porn Free by Chris Stamper and Greg Lindsay (thenetlynews(a)pathfinder.com) Sexfilms.com used to be a small, members-only adult site that shipped full-frame videos over a super-fast T-3 line. Traffic on the site was comfortably low for about a year, owner Ray Alba says, until one name -- "Joe Camaro" -- started appearing with some frequency. Actually, it started appearing 500 times a minute. From Sweden, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore -- just about anywhere. Somebody was passing out the password. Download speeds faltered, from 300K/sec to 6K/sec. And then the servers themselves began to crash. Finally, Alba had to shut down the site for several weeks to clear out Camaro and numerous other accounts that had leaked out to the Net. Alba was the latest victim of... Porn Piratz! A huge number of passwords to pay-only porn sites are loose on the Net. Just surf newsgroups like alt.sex.passwords or do a simple search through a typical web engine and long lists of logins are easy to find. Some of these logins are giveaways from people who ponied up the low, one-time-only flat fees that many sites charge. Others, apparently, were obtained with phony credit card numbers. Who knows how Porn Piratz get the rest. But they do: A Hustler executive told us that Hustler's sites have seven times its paid membership logging on every day. [...]

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G-10 on Electronic Money
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer the April 1997 report of the G-10 countries* "Electronic Money." http://jya.com/g10emoney.htm (121K) This is a survey of the electronic payments systems of the ten countries, and the status and prospects in each for policy, law enforcement, privacy and related issues. The report is by a Working Party set up after the Lyon conference in June 1996 to examine three policy areas: (1) consumer issues; (2) law enforcement issues; and (3) supervisory issues It was presented at a G-10 conference in DC on April 28 and publically released in the US on May 7 by the Treasury Department. * Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and the United States.

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Re: Webpage picketing?... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:02:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: Webpage picketing?... > From: nobody(a)huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) > > You may dislike > > one of the sites linking to yours, but you really can't hijack their > > connections and force people to listen to you who don't want to. > > Wrong! It's done every day in every media from newspapers to TV > and points in between, including the InterNet. > I have a lot of respect for Peter's work, opinions and for his > integrity, but my perception is that he fails to understand that > the InterNet is a growing mosaic which can and should reflect > *all* of life, and that his perception of what the InterNet is > and should be somehow dictates what should and should not be > done on the InterNet. > I think that what should be done on the InterNet is exactly > what people *want* to do. It is up to their own conscience as > to whether their actions are done with integrity and up to the > rest of us to interpret and respond to those actions. Agreed. However, I see a situation happening akin to a sheeple goes into the public library and checks out a book on pro-life politics and because of excessive civil liberty protection is then required to also check out a book on pro-abortion to make shure they are informed. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Who "invented" remailers?
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.GSO.3.96.970604112313.13859B-100000(a)linda.teleport.com>, on 06/04/97 at 11:46 AM, Alan <alano(a)teleport.com> said: >Unfortunatly for mixmaster to work effectivly, you need a threshold of >usage. That threshold has not been reached yet. With the successful >campaign against remailers by those who oppose them, the problem is made >worse. (As well as supporting a form of encryption not commonly >available to "Joe Sixpack".) Currently, use of the Mixmaster remailer >system is out of reach of most of the average users out there. The only >serious project to address that need has been Private Idaho and >development has stopped on that project. Development has not stoped on PI. As a matter of fact I just received an announcement that a new release is out. I am currently working on a simmilar project for the OS/2 platform. I am not sure what is being done on the Mac or *nix. Currently I am testing remailer support using PGP encryption but should have mixmaster support as soon as I get the mixmaster code ported over. I just downloaded the new mixmaster code so I will have to se what changes have been made. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5XAVI9Co1n+aLhhAQF1TQP+KlLlU6B3+mIcvMncireVvaY2Pr1bRoQk h9xdrBTYpIONHrbzp2eK4eMCDfuySbtm2F5/tCZhUpk5KF+AU9TqHf1zTGzEooUE brrheFXemwgjPHXEldSStvC9rW9XbrdN9cYKOZ9kcIrCS2+xqt0rlirI6e0D2JQu 9yHjqd/BJDM= =rrZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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by User Name 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: McVeigh
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hallam-Baker, realizing he is a soft target, wrote: > Appologists for McVeigh should consider that his actions did not > advance the militia cause an iota, it destroyed it and along with > it much of the right wing fringe. Or perhaps just sent more people underground. Many remarked that the Jim Bell arrest chilled the free speech of many list members but there are now at least two active AP Bots on the internet. I haven't noticed anybody "apologizing" for McVeigh or Bell. There are merely those who act or who don't act. <The rest of Phill's post is just his usual knee-jerk, elitist slander of those he politically opposes, and not worth commenting on.> TruthMonger

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Profanity, PCS phones, and FCC
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well I went and got a PCS phone (Ericsson), and was pilfering through the manual, and came across this amusing text in the "Operating procedures" section of the "Guidelines for Safe and Efficient Use": Portable PCS telephones are subject to the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Following these rules will help eliminate confusion, ensure the most efficient use of the existing frequencies, and result in a functioning radio network. The following offenses are punishable by fine, imprisonment, or both: o Use of profane, indecent, or obscene language while using your phone. [a bunch more snipped but somewhat more sane regulations] Joy. More laws to break. Jeremey. -- Jeremey Barrett BlueMoney Software Corp. Crypto, Ecash, Commerce Systems http://www.bluemoney.com/ PGP key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64

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Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 10:00:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: Webpage picketing (fwd) > I think that your analogy is slightly flawed. > > While the farmers have a right to protest on the side of the road they do > not have a right to interfere with the travelers on the road. Correct and using my model would in no way interfere with a users use of the network. It would not add excessive delay or other impedemants. It would be a one time event that occured when the site was initialy accessed. Much like having to go past the picketers on the side of the road at least once. > There is no real way you could picket on the "Info highway" as you have no > right to interfere with the packets traveling on the highway. You can > stand of to the side if you want but somehow I don't think that the > packets will be watching. :) If it is a fully privately funded highway, I agree. If it accepts public money I obviously disagree with you. As to the packets watching, no more so than the cars being used are watching the picketers. This is a straw man argument. The issue here is not the packets but the paticipants. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
by bennett_t1＠popmail.firn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chris DiBona wrote: > > <rant> > > Okay folks...what the hell is wrong with you? First off, this whole McVeigh > Crap is a bit off topic..but we all know this. The amazing thing about the > string of posts has been that people have forgotten that He has been found > guilty of murdering quite a few people. Guilty, Guilty, Guilty. Jury of > his peers, dare I say, people like us all. Randomly selected. This is how > our system works. > > Yes there are flaws in the system. > > Yes the US govt. has it's problems in the past, present and future. > > Yes people have died because schnooks in DC have had thier heads up thier > ass. Or not. > > So whether or not you belive he did it.....how can anyone be _for_ what > _happened_. People died senselessly, I can't believe that anyone (in this > case Duncan Frissell frissell(a)panix.com, lets give credit where it is due) > can be so callous and , frankly, sick , to say : > > <> > As to the Children of OKC, people who turn the care of their children over > to > government employees or contractors do not place too high a value on those > children. > <> > > Are you serious? You should be ashamed that you think this way. Do you > really > think those children who died weren't cared for? You are a sick person who > should seriously consider therapy. Anyone who read this and said "Yeah!" > is > on the same plane. > > To all the people who defend blowing shit and people up to get thier point > across.... > > Okay..so the IRA does it, and HAMMAS does it, and the CIA does it. So does > the > PLFP the FARC and a zillion other terrorist groups. And it appears McVeigh > did it. > But that doesn't make blowing up children in freakin' day care all right. > Do you > understand this? There is no reason to blow up kids. It's wrong. For any > reason. > Bad. Duncan...looking over your past posts.. .I've got to wonder if you > were on acid > when you wrote this, many of your posts were fairly cozigent. But this? Do > you have > children? Any cousins who are children? A nephew or neice? Do these > children > who may be important to you have parents who "care" about them enough to > scour the planet to find a good,safe day care that isn't withing the blast > radius or > shooting range of : > > A government office. > A large corporations headquarters. > A law firm. > A post office. > A town square. > A restaurant. > A bank. > Anywhere some asshole might have a gun and go loopy. > Anywhere some asshole might have a car be drunk and go loopy. > Anywhere some asshole might have a gun and a car and be drunk and go loopy. > > If they even could, I'm someone somewhere will find a way to fuck up that > safe place. > > You get the point, I could go on....but I won't. Perhaps you should think > and read > over your posts before you post again. The only good thing (and I mean > ONLY) to > come out of the whole Mcveigh thing being discussed here on cypherpunks, is > that it has allowed me to add to my killfiles people who have for some > reason, > had a prefrontal. > > To all the dipshits who could possibly think otherwise. I should also > mention it > is an EQUALLY fucked up thing to blow up adults. > > Like my fellow Santa Clara County Resident Bill Frantz said : > > For cypherpunks this comes down to: Make code, not bombs. > > Chris DiBona > > </rant> If these parents DID care, then why in the hell WOULD they put them in a federal building? If I remember fully a past post (i forget which, and my memory ISN'T perfect) that place (the building) had been threatened by numerous attacks, and yet these ignorant parents put their kids in there. I would put my kid a regular day care. If someone blew up a regular daycare, then they ARE fucked up. He wasn't attacking a DAY CARE, his midn was on blowing up the federals in there. I'm not JUSTIFYING killing children. Who knows whether or not it will be beneficial to the anti-federal cause. Geiger gave a few examples. To accomplish some things you gotta break a few eggs (Tim May's post). Not that it's right to do it, but things happen.

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