December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CCTV Cameras in Britain
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- forwarded message -- Path: wmich-news!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news-out.internetmci.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!computer-privacy-request From: David Alexander <davea(a)caplin.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy Subject: Re: CCTV Cameras in Britain Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:05:55 GMT Organization: Computer Privacy Digest Lines: 71 Sender: comp-privacy(a)uwm.edu Approved: comp-privacy(a)uwm.edu Message-ID: <comp-privacy11.3.12(a)cs.uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.6 X-Original-Submission-Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:33:18 +0100 X-Submissions-To: comp-privacy(a)uwm.edu X-Administrivia-To: comp-privacy-request(a)uwm.edu X-Computer-Privacy-Digest: Volume 11, Issue 003, Message 12 of 16 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP comp.society.privacy iQBFAwUBM8oxCjNf3+97dK2NAQF46gF/RZ6tN/V6TQwOCyyAzJeCTngaqMu4IW9h Wm81iJFNAWYI59zJGoRVjd+b9u3TefKX =im9q Originator: levine(a)blatz.cs.uwm.edu Xref: wmich-news comp.society.privacy:424 I read with interest the comments about CCTV cameras that were in the last 2 mailings. I note that Steve does not live in the UK, and I would like to present a residents' view of these cameras. Privacy International says that in Britain, there are an estimated 300,000 CCTV surveillance cameras in public areas, housing estates, car parks, public facilities, phone booths, vending machines, buses, trains, taxis, alongside motorways and inside Automatic Teller (ATM) Machines. Originally installed to deter burglary, assault and car [...] Do we try to protect Democratic freedoms by legislating safeguards against the abuse of private data? Must we accept that the mightiest individuals and institutions cannot be held accountable, and there is no use in trying? Or do we simply acquiesce, and accept that privacy is an outdated concept when cheap technology makes everyone vulnerable, wolves and lambs alike? The choices are not easy, but in the words of David Brin, "asking questions can be a good first step". Yes, there are many cameras, and more going up all the time. The vast majority of the population is glad that these cameras are being introduced. Ordinary crime has been reduced greatly in those areas (proven fact) where the cameras are in use. We also have a big problem with Terrorism by the Provisional IRA over here, and the same cameras have been instrumental in the foiling of numerous terrorist operations and capture of those responsible for others (we have had 3 bombs detonated in England larger than the one at Oklahoma in the last 3 years). A very popular and effective program on UK TV is called 'Crimewatch' where video footage, from these cameras, of crimes and suspects is shown not for sensationalism and ratings but in order to ask for help identifying the perpetrators. It is very effective and crimes featured have a very high clear-up rate. One of the instruments needed to thwart such surveillence is the adoption of 'masks' which are socially acceptable for public use. Ideally they should all look alike, sort of something out of The Prisoner. Once a certain threshold of adoption has been passed the only option for law enforcement will be to remove the offending devices or declare maks illegal for public use (a real stretch for civil liberties). Yeah, right, get real. The only reason you might want to avoid being identified is if you have something to hide. Wearing a mask is only going to draw attention to you, and if you think everyone is suddenly going to start wearing masks...like I said in paragarph one, most people over here welcome the cameras. Please don't misinterpret my motives. I would be the first to celebrate if no threat to privacy existed. Unfortunately there are immoral, irresponsible and downright antisocial (not to mention the psychologically unsound) people who will not abide by the law, or to what we regard as social norms and persist in infringing our rights. As long as those people exist, and no better way of deterring and tracking them down after the (often tragic) offence has been committed, then we need such laws and technology. I would feel very ashamed if my attempts to protect my rights caused the death of innocent people because security against those who are irresponsible had to be drastically cut back. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Alexander AIX Support Professional V3 & V4, SP Certified Technical Manager Caplin Cybernetics Corporation E-mail: davea(a)caplin.com Windmill Business Village Tel: 01932 778172 Brooklands Close, Sunbury-on-Thames Fax: 01932 779606 Middlesex TW16 7DY, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- end of forwarded message --

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: FCPUNX:Jim Bell 6
by James Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:34 PM 7/8/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > I mean, get real...Bell is imprisoned without bail with no charges > having been filed against him. One might suppose this is because of his political ideas. In actual fact, in America only those with subversive ideas AND WHO CANNOT AFFORD A LAWYER are imprisoned for long periods without charges or trial.

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Ashcroft Encryption Editorial
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: fma66.fma.com: majordomo set sender to owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net using -f X-Orig-From: Bill GL Stafford <springco(a)arn.net> X-e$pam-source: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu X-Sender: rah(a)atanda.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:58:20 -0400 To: espam(a)intertrader.com, e$pam <e$pam(a)atanda.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Encription: editoral by IBD X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lbo.leftbank.com id JAA03442 Sender: owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill GL Stafford <springco(a)arn.net> Organization: Spring Management Company MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu" <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: Encription: editoral by IBD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bill GL Stafford <springco(a)arn.net> I believe these guys are on our side. Bill GL Stafford <http://www.investors.com/web_edition/today/viewfrontpage.html>http://www ..invest ors.com/web_edition/today/viewfrontpage.html Encryption: Keep Feds' Nose Out Of The Net ASHCROFT J. Date: 7/11/97 Edgar Hoover would have loved this. The Clinton administration wants government to be able to read international computer communications - financial transactions, personal e-mail and proprietary information sent abroad - all in the name of national security. In a proposal that raises obvious concerns about Americans' privacy, President Clinton wants to give agencies the keys for decoding all exported U.S. software and Internet communications. Such a policy also would tamper with the competitive advantage that our U.S. software companies currently enjoy in the field of encryption technology. Not only would Big Brother be looming over the shoulders of international cybersurfers, he also threatens to render our state-of-the-art computer software engineers obsolete and unemployed. Granted, the Internet could be used to commit crimes, and advanced encryption could disguise such activity. However, we do not provide the government with phone jacks outside our homes for unlimited wiretaps. Why, then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will and in real time to our communications across the Web? The protections of the Fourth Amendment are clear. The right to protection from unlawful searches is an indivisible American value. The president has proposed that American companies and computer users supply the government with decryption keys to high-level encryption programs. Yet European software producers are free to produce computer encryption codes of all levels of security without providing keys to any government authority. Buyers of encryption software value security above all else. They will ultimately choose airtight encryption programs - not those for which the U.S. government maintains keys. In spite of this obvious fact, the president is trying to foist his rigid policy on the exceptionally fluid and fast-paced computer industry. Furthermore, recent developments in decryption technology cast doubt on the wisdom of any government meddling in this industry. Two weeks ago, the 56-bit algorithm government standard encryption code that protects most U.S. electronic financial transactions, from ATM cards to wire transfers, was broken by a low-powered 90-megahertz Pentium processor. In 1977, when this code was first approved by the U.S. government as a standard, it was deemed unbreakable. And for good reason - there are 72 quadrillion different combinations in a 56-bit code. However, with today's technology, these 72 quadrillion different combinations can each be tried -it's only a matter of time and determination. Two days after this encryption code was broken, however, the Senate Commerce Committee voted, in accordance with administration policy, to force American software companies to perpetuate this already compromised 56-bit encryption system. Meanwhile, 128- bit encryption software from European firms is available to every Web user. Interestingly, European firms can import this supersecure encryption technology (originally developed by Americans) to the U.S., but U.S. companies are forbidden by law from exporting these same programs to other countries. So to move forward with the president's policy or the Commerce Committee's bill would be an act of folly, creating a cadre of government peeping Toms and causing severe damage to our vibrant software industries. Government would be caught in a perpetual game of catch-up with whiz-kid code-breakers and industry advances. Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., has signaled his objection to both proposals. He and I would like to work to bring to the floor a version of the encryption legislation by Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont. Burns' bill closely resembles the popular House encryption bill sponsored by Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R- Va. Both measures would not require sharing of keys with the goverment. In essence, these proposals would give U.S. encryption software manufacturers the freedom to compete on equal footing in the worldwide marketplace. They would set up a quasi-governmental board for the industry to decide encryption bit strength based on the current level of international technology. U.S. companies are on the front line of online technologies - the value- added industries of the future. The best policy for encryption technology is one that can rapidly react to breakthroughs in decoding capability and roll back encryption limits as needed. The Burns and Goodlatte proposals would accomplish this. In contrast, the Clinton administration's unnecessary and invasive interest in international e-mail is a wholly unhealthy precedent, especially given this administration's track record on FBI files and Internal Revenue Service snooping. Every medium by which people communicate can be exploited by those with illegal or immoral intentions. Nevertheless, this is no reason to hand Big Brother the keys to unlock our e-mail diaries, open our ATM records or translate our international communications. John Ashcroft is a Republican U.S. senator from Missouri and a member of the Senate Commerce Committee. (C) Copyright 1997 Investors Business Daily, Inc. 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Subj: Kiwanis Club Update (7/97)
by autosavr＠albany.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Going to any festivals?
by Shift Control 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In this week's Festival Issue of the award-winning Shift Control (http://www.shiftcontrol.com) Reg Presley, lead singer with Sixties legends the Troggs, provides a sound argument for today's festivals; we supply full listings for 30 summer events throughout Britain and Europe; and this week's interactive quiz asks: how wild are you about festivals? Plus... "Take your own food. Some people see a festival as an opportunity to lose a couple of stone, and judging by most of the food sold at them it's not difficult to see why. Just because it's organic doesn't mean it's edible, man. Take your own bread and Pringles. A baguette is also a good idea, as you can wave it in the air during an Orbital gig." - Nick Green on what to take and what not to take to a summer festival. "While Richard Krajicek and friends took early showers, mud baths were the order of the day at Glastonbury. It seems that those at Glastonbury enjoyed a weekend of filthy, sweaty, fun, while at Wimbledon it was all code violations and double faults. If we are really to admire our sporting heroes, isn't it about time they had some more balls in the rain?" - Roland Rocks rants about British tennis's lack of sporting courage. "We ate felafel, chick-pea curry and something with yellow peas poured from a bucket, then decided to head backstage. There we bumped into too many people we know who proceeded go on about their hotel rooms, showers and marble-lined bathroom suites with pre-heated loo paper. We decide it was time to either leave or kill them." - Simon Waldman on the great Glasto wash-out. Shift Control: raking the muck, NOW, at http://www.shiftcontrol.com __________________________________________ Shift Control is produced by the Guardian's New Media Lab with help from Boddingtons and Stella Artois Dry To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to shiftcontrol-request(a)nml.guardian.co.uk with the following text in the body of the mail message: unsubscribe

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Keep Feds' nose out of the Net, by Sen. John Ashcroft
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Keep Feds' nose out of the Net, by Sen. John Ashcroft >Copyright (c) 1997 Investors Business Daily, All rights reserved. >Investor's Business Daily - Guest Editorial (07/11/97) >Encryption: Keep Feds' Nose Out Of The Net >By SEN. JOHN ASHCROFT > > J. Edgar Hoover would have loved this. The Clinton administration wants >government to be able to read international computer communications - >financial transactions, personal e-mail and proprietary information sent >abroad - all in the name of national security. > >In a proposal that raises obvious concerns about Americans' privacy, >President Clinton wants to give agencies the keys for decoding all exported >U.S. software and Internet communications. Such a policy also would tamper >with the competitive advantage that our U.S. software companies currently >enjoy in the field of encryption technology. > Not only would Big Brother be looming over the shoulders of >international cybersurfers, he also threatens to render our state-of-the-art >computer software engineers obsolete and unemployed. > Granted, the Internet could be used to commit crimes, and advanced >encryption could disguise such activity. However, we do not provide the >government with phone jacks outside our homes for unlimited wiretaps. Why, >then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will >and in real time to our communications across the Web? > The protections of the Fourth Amendment are clear. The right to >protection from unlawful searches is an indivisible American value. > The president has proposed that American companies and computer users >supply the government with decryption keys to high-level encryption programs. >Yet European software producers are free to produce computer encryption codes >of all levels of security without providing keys to any government authority. > Buyers of encryption software value security above all else. They will >ultimately choose airtight encryption programs - not those for which the U.S. >government maintains keys. > In spite of this obvious fact, the president is trying to foist his >rigid policy on the exceptionally fluid and fast-paced computer industry. >Furthermore, recent developments in decryption technology cast doubt on the >wisdom of any government meddling in this industry. > Two weeks ago, the 56-bit algorithm government standard encryption code >that protects most U.S. electronic financial transactions, from ATM cards to >wire transfers, was broken by a low-powered 90-megahertz Pentium processor. > In 1977, when this code was first approved by the U.S. government as a >standard, it was deemed unbreakable. And for good reason - there are 72 >quadrillion different combinations in a 56-bit code. However, with today's >technology, these 72 quadrillion different combinations can each be tried >-it's only a matter of time and determination. > Two days after this encryption code was broken, however, the Senate >Commerce Committee voted, in accordance with administration policy, to force >American software companies to perpetuate this already compromised 56-bit >encryption system. > Meanwhile, 128- bit encryption software from European firms is available >to every Web user. Interestingly, European firms can import this supersecure >encryption technology (originally developed by Americans) to the U.S., but >U.S. companies are forbidden by law from exporting these same programs to >other countries. > So to move forward with the president's policy or the Commerce >Committee's bill would be an act of folly, creating a cadre of government >peeping Toms and causing severe damage to our vibrant software industries. >Government would be caught in a perpetual game of catch-up with whiz-kid >code-breakers and industry advances. > Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., has signaled his objection to both >proposals. He and I would like to work to bring to the floor a version of the >encryption legislation by Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont. Burns' bill closely >resembles the popular House encryption bill sponsored by Rep. Bob Goodlatte, >R- Va. Both measures would not require sharing of keys with the goverment. > In essence, these proposals would give U.S. encryption software >manufacturers the freedom to compete on equal footing in the worldwide >marketplace. They would set up a quasi-governmental board for the industry to >decide encryption bit strength based on the current level of international >technology. > U.S. companies are on the front line of online technologies - the value- >added industries of the future. > The best policy for encryption technology is one that can rapidly react >to breakthroughs in decoding capability and roll back encryption limits as >needed. The Burns and Goodlatte proposals would accomplish this. In contrast, >the Clinton administration's unnecessary and invasive interest in >international e-mail is a wholly unhealthy precedent, especially given this >administration's track record on FBI files and Internal Revenue Service >snooping. > Every medium by which people communicate can be exploited by those with >illegal or immoral intentions. Nevertheless, this is no reason to hand Big >Brother the keys to unlock our e-mail diaries, open our ATM records or >translate our international communications.## > > John Ashcroft is a Republican U.S. senator from Missouri and a member of >the Senate Commerce Committee.

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