December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

A Vote of Silence for Human Gus-Peter
by Larry Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I want to be the new modernator so anyone who wants me to be it can not send any messages, ok? So any people who dont send messages are voting for me, ok? (If I am modernator I will give everyone free pizza and Schotch.) Ok. Now evceryone vote, ok? Human Gus-Peter

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Re: Getting into MIT is impossible
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Erland van Lidth de Jeude is a MIT grad. He played the big badass in "Stir Crazy." Computer science major, BTW. At 07:37 PM 2/3/97 -0800, Clint Barnett wrote: >wasn't Dolph Lundgren an MIT grad? I seem to remember something about him >having a degree in Chemical Engineering or something along those lines. > >clint barnett >lord of the cosmos >emily carr institute > >On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Anonymous wrote: > >> >> >> According to Rick Osborne: >> >> "I disagree and can speak from experience. I was denied admission to MIT >> even thought I had a 3.82 GPA, 1440 SAT (one try), and had taken 9 AP tests >> with two 5's, four 4's, two 3's, and one 2. As for being well-rounded, I >> was on several academic teams, sang in Chorus, acted and stage managed in >> Drama, and played Tennis." >> >> People get into MIT--or don't get into MIT--for lots of reasons. Most >> intelligent people apply to several schools, knowing that admissions >> practices are subject to the vagaries of reality. >> >> In my case, my SATs were about 1500, with some 800s in achievement tests. >> And the usual bullshit high school clubs, political offices, etc. etc. I >> was accepted by MIT, but not by Caltech. I didn't lose any sleep over the >> way things turned out. >> >> And I decided not to go to MIT, either. >> >> "The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. I >> made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need >> full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the >> Russian front!"" >> >> My guess is that "other factors" were involved. >> >> I noted with some interest, but little surprise, that the guy claiming MIT >> required a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 combined SAT score could barely spell, and >> had major problems making a coherent point. Methinks this is why MIT >> rejected him, not his lack of a "1600." >> >> ">For what it's worth, I wanted to go to MIT my sophomore year in high >> >school, too >> >> "Lucky you. It had been a dream of mine since I was an annoying >> overachiever of 6. Sux to be white trash, I guess." >> >> MIT offered me a substantial economic aid package, in the form of loans, >> grants, and various campus jobs. What does this tell you? >> >> "MIT may be a great school, but they tend to be snooty assholes for the most >> part. (DISCLAIMER: Not all MIT grads/attendees are necessarily "snooty >> assholes", I'm just saying that I've yet to meet one that wasn't.) >> >> I've known about a dozen or so MIT grads, and only one of them was a snooty >> asshole, and it was a _she_, one of the first MIT women grads (and she was >> _very_ impressed by this). >> >> Most MIT grads are perfectly reasonable. >> >> Xanthar >> >> >> >> >> -- >> > > > Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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"alt.cypherpunks" people?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Gilmore urges action, or piping down... well lets start with discussion of whether one possible action is appropriate, and useful (piping down is not an option:-): What do people think of starting an alt.cypherpunks USENET newsgroup? It has some advantages: 1. It distributes the cost of information dispersal, rather than largely placeing the load on a single machine. 2. Newsreading software typically includes threading, which is useful 3. It avoids the issue of ownership, it is more anarchic. There is no list or host owner to get prosecuted for copyright violations, export law violations, libel etc. 4. Automatically gets archived several places, and is searchable 5. It will be unmoderated And some disadvantages... 1. Cross-posting in USENET is a problem, especially in alt newsgroups 2. Commercial spam is a problem with newsgroups 3. USENET distribution is likely less efficient of overall bandwidth 4. News propogation times are often poor (Exeter univ. receives news about a week late) This is a real killer in my view. I have another news server I can access at the moment, but not everyone may have access to a reasonable news server. 5. News access is more complex for some people. Some alt newsgroups are not carried by some servers. Perhaps news-to-mail and mail-to-news gateway would solve these problems. 6. Some have argued in the past on this topic that the mailing list medium is better because it is more exclusive, as it requires more technical competence, and an active enough interest to subscribe. This is an elitist argument. Perhaps it is relevant though, if we are trying to maintain a mailing list where technical discussions on how to improve privacy are to take place. I wouldn't call this attitude censorship though. My overall feeling is that I prefer the faster turn around time of a mailing list. When interesting things were/are happening on the list (netscape break, late breaking crypto news, and cypherpunks spin on it), the fast turn around time was essential. Being able to react quickly to news items, and to organise technical projects rapidly is one of the cypherpunks main advantages and attractions from my point of view. My view of moderation is that it is a huge amount of work for the moderator, that it is hypocritical philosophically (we promote anarchy, but in order to effectively promote anarchy, we reject anarchy), that it breeds artificial social hierarchys, rather than allowing posts and posters reputations to stand on their own merit. I was happier with the strength of the philsophical standing of the list prior to moderation. Moderation hasn't improved the noise much anyway. Readers who have been reading for several years may understandably wish to recapture the stimulating discourses, and lively community feel to the list from the past. Lists change, cypherpunks is a victim of it's own success, media attention increased public awareness, increased number of subscribers, and at the same time increased the proportion of noisy off-topic posts. Unfortunately the success of the list, and the noise has resulted in some of those people who kept it interesting leaving the list. Coderpunks is a reasonable list, I'm not sure that it is moderated as such, but if you breach etiquette (discussion of politics, even when perpetrated by respected cryptographers, or by people discussing the implications of breaking DES, rather than the strict coding questions) they get Futplex-grams, which I find slightly annoying. Cryptography(a)c2.net is again reasonable, and gained back some of the original people who quit cypherpunks over the years due to noise. Cryptography is moderated. (Or is moderated when Perry thinks it would benefit from moderation, so that may change). Perhaps some of the lack of stimulating discussion is simply that the ideas are no longer hot new ideas. Most of the interesting technology and it's implications have been discussed. What's left is attempting to stop government restrictions and backdoors, and deploying the many complex peices of software for which there exists uses and demands. Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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IN%"pdh@best.com",IN%"ichudov@algebra.com",IN%"gnu@toad.com",IN%"ay@got.net
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded with permission: From: IN%"loki(a)infonex.com" "Lance Cottrell" 4-FEB-1997 15:34:25.09 >I would be happy to donate the resources to run Cypherpunks off our system. >We could set up the list provided we were given a list of subscribers. I >assume it would be unmoderated. > -Lance >> Hi. I don't know how much you've been keeping up with >>the discussion on cypherpunks, but there is a current proposal >>to distribute the list onto several different servers. I would >>be willing to pay for 100 subscribers to run on the cyberpass.net >>server, provided that somebody else (e.g., Igor Chudov) set up >>the system initially and was available for assistance later. Any >>problems on your end? >> [...] >> Thanks, >> -Allen

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Re: Moderation, Tim, Sandy, me, etc. * Strong crypto == DES?!
by Jeff Barber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm another long time list member. I've posted before on a number of occasions but not often. And I was one of those who subscribed immediately to the unedited list. Anyway, herein my 2 cents. John Gilmore writes: > Tim May said: > > I don't want Sandy Sandfort sitting in judgment on my > > posts, deciding what the Cypherpunks--a group I co-founded for God's > > sake!!!!--are to be allowed to read and what they may not. > > Tim, the Cypherpunks have chosen to follow Sandy's lead for this > month. I'll admit I made it easy for them, but the results are > conclusive. There are 1311 addresses in the cypherpunks list today; > 42 in the unedited list; and 19 in the flames list. "Conclusively" this has shown only that most folks are willing to go along with an experiment -- especially if it requires them to do exactly nothing. The results of the moderation experiment itself can't possibly be conclusive until the moderation has gone on for much longer--a few months at least, possibly years. Then, we'll see how many people are willing to put up with the high volume over the long term, even possibly in the absence of thoughtful essays from long-time list members (like Tim) who have been driven away from the list. Even if it "survives" by that criteria, it may not survive in *my* book. There are only a handful of people whose posts make the cypherpunks list worthwhile (IMO of course). There're quite a few others who contribute to the discussion but aren't themselves worth the trouble (no offense intended to anyone; I would certainly count myself in this group as well). I don't deny that putting up with the noise on the list takes some effort. In fact, after years of surviving with only my 'd' key, I'd finally been driven to install a procmail filter shortly before moderation was announced. Interestingly, since that point, it *has* become more difficult to filter--but IMO that's because it's also gotten less interesting (how do you know if you're filtering is successful?). In fact, lately I've begun to "filter" *all* of cypherpunks into an alternate mailbox file, and find that I'm perfectly content to look at it only every couple of days, and just pick and choose among the posts based on author and subject. I don't claim to be representative of the average cypherpunk, but in my view, this is a bad sign--it indicates a lack of compelling "content". It might as well be a Usenet group--I don't feel like a "member of the Cypherpunks list" anymore. As the list stands now, I would hardly even notice (or care) if I were no longer subscribed. > I'm definitely bugged by the community's attitude toward my > "censorship". Rather than being glad that someone, anyone, was doing > something about the major problem on the list, 99% of the reaction was > to create even more ill-considered, emotional flamage. *I* didn't > make the signal/noise get worse at that point -- *you-all* did. Well, I did do something. When the volume got too high for me to take unassisted, I installed procmail to tailor the list to my own likings. Many have been advocating it on the list for years. I was just too lazy to do so until the pain of not having it finally got too high. As for the signal to noise ratio, John hasn't made it worse, but he hasn't made it much better either. No offense is intended--John's posts were always at the top of my reputation list--but he posts so infrequently that he falls into that "not worth subscribing for" group. What was the problem with the list that finally required that somebody "do something"? Sure, the list was high volume. And there were a lot of flames and silly useless garbage. But this is no different than it has been for years. And the Vulisgrams were no more (or less) vicious or annoying than Detweiler's Medusa and S.Boxx rants from the old days. (The reason I personally could stand it [without procmail] back then was that I wasn't on so many *other* mailing lists at the same time.) > The experiment will be over in a few weeks. Who's going to take over > deciding how to run the list, and running it? Can't we just forget any of this ever came up? Drop the moderation, resubscribe the Vulis 'bot and go on as before. > PS: Can we talk about crypto too? ... Sorry, that would be off-topic; this list is only for discussions of the cypherpunks moderation policy. Maybe you could post something on Perry's "cryptography" list though. (:-) -- Jeff

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No Subject
by steve 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been trying to get off this list for nearly a week now. The instructions given in the welcome message don't work. Get me off this list now.! I joined to learn about cryptography, not listen to some socially retarded juveniles argue over who's got the biggest dick. -----Original Message----- From: Majordomo(a)toad.com [SMTP:Majordomo@toad.com] Sent: 06 February 1997 19:43 To: steve Subject: Your Majordomo request results -- Your request of Majordomo was: >>>> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC1463.B5C5FAE0 END OF COMMANDS

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Updated type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by starvino＠gte.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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EXTRA CHARGE FOR INTERNET SERVICE !
by Brian Adrian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just received this from another mailing list. PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send your comments to isp(a)fcc.gov and tell them what you think. Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it in just under the wire for litigation. Let everyone you know here this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. isp(a)fcc.gov Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all our voices may be heard! It's time to let them know just who is paying their salaries. Don't sit back and be quite on this one, SPEAK YOUR MIND, LET THEM KNOW THIS IS BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!! Just passing it along... Brian Adrian e-mail: chow(a)niven.imsweb.net Web page: http://home.imsweb.net/~chow/

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Re: "Why am I being completely censored"?
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I'd just appreciate it if someone would explain to me just why > I'm being completely censored from the cypherpunks list. ... > Absolutely none of my recent postings are even going to > cypherpunks-unedited, I've received no response to my mail to > gnu(a)toad.com asking why, and I've received absolutely no bounces > indicating that there are delivery problems. I haven't investigated your story because you didn't provide enough details and because I have been busy with other things. There is no infrastructure here for blocking postings from going through cypherpunks-unedited. It really is unedited. Perhaps there is a mailer problem (at your end or at mine). If you cc'd yourself on your messages to cypherpunks, please send me a verbatim copy of such a message that did not appear in cypherpunks-unedited, including all the header lines. I can trace whether it was ever seen on the toad.com end and what happened if it was. Hmm. Your message that I just received, about this problem, was cc'd to cypherpunks. It did not make it into the cypherpunks-unedited list. In examining the message header itself, there is an "Approved: yes" line. My guess is that your attempt to be too tricky has screwed you. Majordomo is probably zapping postings that claim to be, but aren't actually, moderator-approved. This is just a guess. Please try making a posting to cypherpunks without such a line, and see if it goes through into the unedited list. Let me know. John

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