December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: what's in a name?
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> writes: > Wei Dai's message raises an important question: what is the relationship > between ownership and list content or quality? I'll assert that ownership can only have a negative impact on content. Freedom is preferable to bias, and hence loss of freedom can only hurt content...according to -my- standard of content anyway. > Are mailing lists an example of a situation where "the tragedy of the > commons" is not a useful metaphor? Yes. Such analogies assume that common people create tragedy, which is only true if their leaders have designed things to work that way. > Is the desire for an anarchic community at odds with a desire for > good use of resources? The network resources are there to handle email traffic. Attempting to place a non-technical content-based standard on the usage of resources invites censorship and leads to stagnation of ideas. If people would simply learn to filter what they don't like from their net.viewport, there would not be a perceived problem. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Nasrudin arrived at an all-comers horse race mounted on the slowest of oxen. Everyone laughed, an ox cannot run. "But I have seen it, when it was only a calf, running faster than a horse.", said Nasrudin. "So why should it not run faster, now that it is larger?"

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Re: Full strength Email Clients.
by Vangelis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steven Herod wrote: > > Hello, I'm in search of an *EASY TO USE* Internet Email client > software that uses full strength (outside US export restriction) RSA > encryption. Private Idaho (for Windoze), without question. It's freeware, and acts as an almost seamless front-end to PGP. I use it all the time w/ my crpto-aware friends. http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/pi.html -- Vangelis <vangelis(a)qnis.net> /\oo/\ Finger for public key. PGP KeyID 1024/A558B025 PGP Fingerprint AE E0 BE 68 EE 7B CF 04 02 97 02 86 F0 C7 69 25 Life is my religion, the world is my altar.

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Re: A Vote of Silence for Human Gus-Peter
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Larry Johnson <lwjohnson(a)grill.sk.ca> writes: > I want to be the new modernator so anyone who wants me to be it can > not send any messages, ok? > So any people who dont send messages are voting for me, ok? > > (If I am modernator I will give everyone free pizza and Schotch.) > > Ok. Now evceryone vote, ok? > > Human Gus-Peter > > I volunteer to moderate cypherpunks(a)toad.com. I'll use a 'bot (like Sandy uses a 'bot) to junk submissions from Gilmore, Sandfart, and other known homosexuals, and pass on everything else. It'll probably have better S/N that Sandy's censored list does now. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Moderation [Tim,Sandy]
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> writes: > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> writes: > > > > The drunk can be excluded, but when someone wants to use the drunk as > > > an example to escalate the exclusion to other persons who are not in > > > fact drunk, watch out! > > > If I get really really drunk, which happens very seldom, then I'm > > too drunk to post. I don't mind an occasional beer, though. > > > Oksas, have you ever tried beer? :-) > > I had my first beer(s) in three years at one of those industrial > parties last night. It made the craps table action seem a bit > merrier, and the girls were friendlier too. > I like an occasional Coors Lite. BTW I think Limey Faggots are right about one think: I like room-temperature beer better than cold beer. YMMV. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: If guilty of a lesser crime, you can be sentenced for a greater
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> writes: > Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > Dale Thorn wrote: > > > Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > > people who have such money are not going to bump off very many more > > > people than they already do, because: > > > 1. They need the people to make money off of (Mafia rule #4, never > > > kill someone who owes you money [or is a money source]). > > > This is a wrong Mafia rule, they do kill debtors who are in default. > > Really? Then how do they collect their money? BTW, I heard the rule > from the mouth of a real mob hitman. mafia used to have a habit of hiring some lonely person do do work for them (such as, set up their crypto infrastructure), then make him disappear, and he won' be missed, and they won't have to pay for the work. Bumping off the people that you owe money to is bad for one's rep. I'd be reluctant to do consulting for organized crime for this reason. Perhaps that's why the Feds have such easy time wiretapping them. :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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ITAR and Paper ROM
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Given that high-density inkjet printers can do 600x600 dpi resolution, it >should be possible to achieve the equivalent of 100x100 bpi of >easily-recoverable data on ordinary paper. That's about 800 kilobits, or >100 kilobytes. What does ITAR say about this? > > >Jim Bell >jimbell(a)pacifier.com I'm not sure if what I did in the 80s, trying to create what I called 'paper ROM, is applicable. In these investigations I used matricies of small (1-3 mm) squares of gray (16 levels) or color (64 levels) with a mind to replace diskettes for inexpensive mass data distribution. I was able to reliably get 100-200 KB/page side using standard offset printing. With modern ink-jet/laser printers you should be able to reliably get at least 10-50KB/page side. Although a technical success, I abandoned the effort when I discovered someone had patented (4,488,679) something similar a few years earlier. -- Steve

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Re: Getting into MIT is impossible
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> writes: > Erland van Lidth de Jeude is a MIT grad. He played the big badass in "Stir > Crazy." Computer science major, BTW. > > > > > At 07:37 PM 2/3/97 -0800, Clint Barnett wrote: > >wasn't Dolph Lundgren an MIT grad? I seem to remember something about him > >having a degree in Chemical Engineering or something along those lines. > > > >clint barnett > >lord of the cosmos > >emily carr institute > > > >On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> According to Rick Osborne: > >> > >> "I disagree and can speak from experience. I was denied admission to MIT > >> even thought I had a 3.82 GPA, 1440 SAT (one try), and had taken 9 AP test > >> with two 5's, four 4's, two 3's, and one 2. As for being well-rounded, I > >> was on several academic teams, sang in Chorus, acted and stage managed in > >> Drama, and played Tennis." > >> > >> People get into MIT--or don't get into MIT--for lots of reasons. Most > >> intelligent people apply to several schools, knowing that admissions > >> practices are subject to the vagaries of reality. > >> > >> In my case, my SATs were about 1500, with some 800s in achievement tests. > >> And the usual bullshit high school clubs, political offices, etc. etc. I > >> was accepted by MIT, but not by Caltech. I didn't lose any sleep over the > >> way things turned out. > >> > >> And I decided not to go to MIT, either. > >> > >> "The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. > >> made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need > >> full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the > >> Russian front!"" > >> > >> My guess is that "other factors" were involved. > >> > >> I noted with some interest, but little surprise, that the guy claiming MIT > >> required a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 combined SAT score could barely spell, and > >> had major problems making a coherent point. Methinks this is why MIT > >> rejected him, not his lack of a "1600." > >> > >> ">For what it's worth, I wanted to go to MIT my sophomore year in high > >> >school, too > >> > >> "Lucky you. It had been a dream of mine since I was an annoying > >> overachiever of 6. Sux to be white trash, I guess." > >> > >> MIT offered me a substantial economic aid package, in the form of loans, > >> grants, and various campus jobs. What does this tell you? > >> > >> "MIT may be a great school, but they tend to be snooty assholes for the mo > >> part. (DISCLAIMER: Not all MIT grads/attendees are necessarily "snooty > >> assholes", I'm just saying that I've yet to meet one that wasn't.) > >> > >> I've known about a dozen or so MIT grads, and only one of them was a snoot > >> asshole, and it was a _she_, one of the first MIT women grads (and she was > >> _very_ impressed by this). > >> > >> Most MIT grads are perfectly reasonable. > >> > >> Xanthar > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > > > > > > > Jim Bell > jimbell(a)pacifier.com > This thread has no crypto-relevance, but Sandy the Asshole forwards it to the censored list. He also sends crypto-relevant threads to the flames list. This will be the first post in this thread that Sandy the Asshole will junk. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Information Warfare
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"tmcghan(a)mail.bcpl.lib.md.us" <tmcghan(a)mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> writes: > in a message allegedly from: Peter Hendrickson <pdh(a)best.com> > > > The cypherpunks list has been under "attack" for some time. > {snip} > > Some people have dismissed the idea that rogue governmental elements > > are behind some of our problems. > {snip} > > We know that "Information Warfare" is the big thing in the defense > > establishment right now. > > Information Warfare Conference > sponsored by DPMA/AITP > > Washington, DC, March 13-14, 1997 > Crystal City Marriott > 1999 Jefferson Davis Highway > Arlington, VA 22202 > > Presentations by: > Major General Michael V. Hayden, Commander, Air Intelligence Agency > Dr. C. Kenneth Allard, Competitive Strategies > Col. H. Stevens, Land Information Warfare Activity > > - current service visions and planned program initiatives > - operational concepts for 'third-wave' warfare > - information warfare drivers for 21st century C4I architectures > - emerging technologies and systems for information warfare > superiority: opportunities on the horizon > > 'information warfare targets and vulnerabilities', Maxim I. Kovel, > TASC systems management group > > 'information warfare for deterrence', William H.J. Manthorpe, Jr. > Applied Physics Laboratory, Johns Hopkins > > 'adaptive techniques for counter-deception', James Llinas, > technical advisor, DOD JDL, Data Fusion group > > 'emerging threats come in all sizes and flavors', Eugene Schultz, SRI > consulting > > "Information has been termed the 'fifth dimension' in the conduct of > 'third-wave' warfare, and promises to dramatically enhance the role > of C4I as a force multiplier. Joint and individual service doctrine > is emerging for IW, ans is affecting the needs and requirements for > diverse systems: from space-based surveillance and communications > systems to terrestrial image processing, visualization, and > information fusion systems." > > "This conference will provide a valuable forum where military and > industry staff can interact with key decision-makers to achieve the > most current possible understanding of Information Warfare concepts, > initiatives, technologies and potential opportunities. The Critical > Questions to be addressed include: > > - how is IW changing operational concepts? > - how can we defend the weak links in the planned > information-intensive reconnaissance, strike, targeting architecture? > - what developments in enabling technologies are needed to support > current Information Operations, Battlefield Visualization, and > Information Exploitation initiatives? > -what can be done to develop defensive information technology > capabilities? > > and last, but _c_e_r_t_a_i_n_l_y_ not least: > > - how will we move forward to develop a true offensive IW capability > > ============================================== > Many of my f2f meetings with the people on and around this mailing lists were at the InfoWarCon's. It's no secret that my research interests include IW (with PsyOps and DOS). And what was Gilmore (spit, fart) doing there? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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OECD Waffles
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-4-97. Reuters: Global group fails to endorse Clinton encryption plan Washington: An influential economic research group is preparing guidelines on computer encryption for its member countries but will duck some of the most contentious issues involved, according to a draft obtained by Reuters. The Clinton administration, seeking to rally support for its controversial policy on exporting encryption products -- which encode and decode e-mail and other computerized messages -- failed to win an endorsement from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), although the group did discuss the administration's approach. On perhaps the most difficult issue, the draft guidelines do not favour or oppose a requirement in the U.S. policy that data-scrambling encryption programmes provide a way for law enforcement officials to obtain keys to crack the codes when necessary. After indicating that governments should carefully weigh the costs and benefits of imposing so-called key recovery, the draft report said, "this principle should not be interpreted as implying that governments should, or should not, initiate legislation that would allow lawful access." On all the controversial areas in the draft, "the member countries of the OECD have strongly held views but they don't always coincide," John Dryden, head of the group's Information, Computer and Communications Policy division, said in a telephone interview from Paris. Some countries see widespread use of encryption as a way to protect the privacy of computer users and businesses, thereby encouraging global commerce, Dryden said. But others see encryption as possibly thwarting law enforcement's efforts to catch riminals and global terrorists, he said. The guidelines suggest encryption users should have access to products that meet their needs. Government controls should be "no more than are essential to the discharge of government responsibilities." Instead of reconciling the different views, the draft guidelines lay out competing interests and approaches. "It's not in itself a cryptography policy and it's not an attempt to draft a model national law that we're encouraging people to adopt," Dryden said. Cryptography refers to products and systems used in encryption. The guidelines also suggest encryption standards and usage should be "determined by the market in an open and competitive environment." "There's a strong view that the private sector should have the possibility to use information networks to the best of their potential in order to create growth and jobs," Dryden said. U.S. officials who have seen the preliminary draft praised the guidelines. "They're an important and helpful step forward," Undersecretary of Commerce William Reinsch said. "They're helpful because they put down on paper the proper foundation for getting into this," he added. Reinsch said most countries will follow the U.S. lead and require so-called key recovery features for law enforcement. Under the Clinton policy, domestic use of encryption is not regulated but the strongest coding products cannot be exported unless they include key recovery. U.S. companies that have opposed the Clinton policy, contending it stifles their ability to compete with unfettered foreign firms, drew little solace from the draft guidelines. "This is not helpful," said Netscape Communications Corp.'s public policy counsel, Peter Harter. Netscape and other companies preferred stronger language endorsing free-market policies, he said. The draft guidelines, approved by a group of government and private-sector experts at a meeting at the end of January, still must be approved by a top-level OECD officials from the group's 29 member countries, including the United States. -----

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

May Timmy May's forgeries get stuck up his ass so he'll have to shit through his filthy mouth for the rest of its miserable life. ||||||||||| \~0/ \0~/ < (0) > --oOO--/|||\--OOo- Timmy May

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