December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Hey, I requested off this list ages ago. >Why don't you simply pull my >subscription and we'll ALL be happy? :-) >Stan Because we are all laughing at you, you stupid bastard.

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by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

...and then there is the "StanSquncr" virus that prompts you to pawn your computer for a $20 crackrock. Two hours later, you find yourself on a street corner sucking dick for $5 rocks. I'm your REAL daddy, Stan.

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Chaffing and Winnowing
by Anonymous Sender 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aside from the considerable overhead created by C/W, I observe a possible pitfall. suppose I start every new message at ID# 0. The first time I C/W a message everything works fine. The next time I C/W a message with the same MAC, I give some very juciy clues to what both messages were. This is because the item that the MAC applied to was an ID number and a bit. well, that bit is either zero or one... so any bit that corresponds between my first and second message will yield an identicle MAC, thus making it easy for anybody to seperate some of the wheat from the chaff, merely by simple observation. though in a real implementation, I probably wouldn't be so niave as to start every new message with the same packet ID, I point out that there's an upper limit on the amount of data that should be transmitted before a new authentication key should be arranged... that is assuming that the ID field was of finite size. Rivest mentioned in passing using a 32 bit ID. That's an impressive number of bits to C/W, but certainly not unattainable. -SM2k

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Your courageous stance...
by TruthMongrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges. Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of information, in light of the fact that you have not shied away from persecuting those connected with the Circle of Eunuchs, thus possibly putting yourself, your family and your business in physical danger, as well as virtual danger. Given the current dissension within the ranks of the Cirle of Eunuchs and the Army of Dog, concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. Regardless of the possible physical danger you will be subjected to if the proponents of MeatSpace retruibution to censorship supporters win out in the current battle for control of the resources of the Army of Dog, your choice to submit to government oppressors and legal threats is likely the right one, since the government currently has more and better armed thugs than those who oppose them. TruthMonger III "Ain't no safety this side of the grave...never has been...never will be."

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Re:Stan the Human!
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 16:09:52 EST, mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com writes: << >Hey, I requested off this list ages ago. >Why don't you simply pull my >subscription and we'll ALL be happy? :-) >Stan Because we are all laughing at you, you really smart guy. >> Hey, I got my laughs too! Stan

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Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forward from TruthMonger III ----- I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges. Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of information, in light of the fact that you have not shied away from persecuting those connected with the Circle of Eunuchs, thus possibly putting yourself, your family and your business in physical danger, as well as virtual danger. Given the current dissension within the ranks of the Cirle of Eunuchs and the Army of Dog, concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. Regardless of the possible physical danger you will be subjected to if the proponents of MeatSpace retruibution to censorship supporters win out in the current battle for control of the resources of the Army of Dog, your choice to submit to government oppressors and legal threats is likely the right one, since the government currently has more and better armed thugs than those who oppose them. TruthMonger III "Ain't no safety this side of the grave...never has been...never will be." ---- End of Alleged Forwarded Message ----- Despite the fact that the missive you are currently reading is an obvious forgery, I, Timothy C. May <tm(a)dev.null>, would like to exhort all of my fellow victims of forgeries by the DogMeister@Sympatico to form their own Cult of One chapter of the Army of Dog. Unless each and every individual who is concerned with gaining the liberty to exercise the basic rights and freedoms which come from being a unique participant in the universe which has formed them (and which they have had a hand in forming) steps forward to demand the right to exercise and manifest their values and beliefs in MeatSpace, as well as CyberSpace...uuhhh...has anybody seen my shoes? "We have met the future of rEvolution, and it is us." ~ Ogop Due to the heavy investment I have made in MeatSpace weaponry, I will be supporting the factions of the Army of Dog which are promoting a physical war against the enemies of freedom, but I recognize that those whose investment is in newer warfare technologies have an equal right to fight the battle within the slightly more infinite boundaries of Digital Reality. "The screens of freedom must occassionally be refreshed with a GUI- supported blood-color of digital martyrs." ~ AGuyTooLazyToLookUpTheOriginalQuote Despite the concerns of some members of the Cypherpunks Distributed Mailing List about the forged attributions of the DogMeister concerning the beliefs and stances of various individual list members, we all know, deep down inside, that Janet Reno's secret lover, Officer Furhman, is right when he whispers in her ear during their fuckmaking (in a manner that is a felony in the majority of states, which is why they only do it in Federal offices), "The CypherPunks may not be guilty of the crimes that TruthMongrel attributes to them, but they are all guilty of *something*..." Timothy C. May <tm(a)dev.null> "There is something 'Wong' when I have to send 'chop, chop' messages to an increasing number of posters to the Cypherpunks list."

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Re: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 19:48:49 EST, tm(a)dev.null writes: << ----- Forward from TruthMonger III ----- <SNIP!> I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges. Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of information <SNIP> concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. >> Ah yes, fits like a lock and a key. Pro-censorship guys also being pro McCarthy guys! After all, these "Know-nothings" today, are the 'Modern McCarthyites' (see my political page) Stan

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CIA Trained Gorilla Femnists
by TruthMongrer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Male Gorilla, Released to Mate with Females, Drops Dead AP 24-MAR-98 TOKYO (AP) The excitement, or perhaps the pressure, apparently was too much for Sultan. The 28-year-old male gorilla, specially moved to a cage to mate with three females, instead dropped dead. The 400-pound lowland gorilla ran around briefly and played with his new friends Monday, then suddenly collapsed, apparently after suffering a heart attack, said Kunihiko Yasui, head of animal breeding at Kyoto Municipal Zoo. ~~~ Reports from non-mainstream news sources indicate that one of the female gorillas was carrying an umbrella which was nowhere to be found when invesigators searched the cage after the mysterious death of the male gorilla. Gertrude Stein, denying that an elite corps of techno-femnists is involved with providing CIA BlackOps training for female subjects of a digital-implant experiment being conducted by the NSA, merely said, "What is good for the goose is not always necessarily good for the gorilla." Anonymous sources from the CypherPunks Distributed Mailing List indicated that the assassination was coordinated by Blanc Weber, a list member who disguises her hidden agenda of MeatSpace violence by constantly admonishing list members for expressing the results of the excessive male hormones surging through their potential-rapist bodies. The sources cited Weber's previous support of Zsa-Zsa Grubor as proof of her involvement with radical femnist movements whose goals are secretly financed by Wonder Bra, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Bread. Mainstream media sources continue to claim that this post is nothing more than the psychotic babblings of a FrostBack To Be Named Later. However, this view is obvious in error, or an intelligent person such as yourself would not stil be reading this post, eh? TruthFemnist, "And, after my operation, I will learn to spell 'feminist' correctly."

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Re: Welcome to cypherpunks-unedited
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 19:18:48 EST, Majordomo(a)toad.com writes: << Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. >> I agree with all that. << ... Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key cryptography. ... >> But when it's used as simply a means of identifying yourself on a public list, is that really privacy protection? Seems like a mis-use of the technology to me. Stan

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While you were bending over for the soap... / Re: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TM forged: > within the slightly more infinite boundaries of ATTN: Circle of Eunuchs Initiates !!! An in-depth investigation by the NSA has confirmed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the dark-conspiracy manifestos that make up 'The True Story of the InterNet' series, as well as all peripheral communications from various CoE members, has been nothing more than a clever ruse to subversively slip the concept quoted above into the minds of the unsuspecting schills of the Author. Please be advised that individuals who allow themselves to be influenced by the subversive concept expressed above run the risk of mistakenly acting under the assumption that 'infinity' can be defined by the individual, and thus they are capable of escaping the limitations which the programmed reality of those in authority over them exercises in order to protect them from the madness which can result from attempting to cross the boundaries of thought and action which have long since been proven statistically safe to transverse, according to recent CNN polls designed to ensure that we all remain safely within the pens within which airport security personnel and tax officials are acting in our best interests. Those who disagree with the stance taken by the author of this post will be audited by the IRS as potential troublemakers. Thank You, the author of this post

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