December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

More anonymous hate mail from John Gilmore, Timmy May, and friends
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

I've received the following e-mail from an anonymous coward. It didn't have any carriage returns (I added them). >Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:23:00 -0700 >Message-Id: <199611281623.JAA03709(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com >From: nobody(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu (Anonymous) >Comments: Please report misuse of this automated remailing service to <complaints(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> >Subject: Yo, Kook! Read this. > >... > >>"Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> writes: >>> Actually the opposite is the case, he is a notorious womanizer. >> >>Are _you gay, Phil? > >Look, Kook. Can you at least wait 24 hours after complaining about eliptic >curves being somehow off-topic (as I recall, it was 50k rants about Armenian >genocide that got your dumb ass booted) before posting your own off-topic >sewage? Who gives a flying fuck who is or isn't gay or perverted or whatever >in their private lives? What does it have to do with crypto, or proficiency >in programming, or anything that matters to most of the list? It seems to me >that you should try casting your "pearls" before the much more "noble" >animals of the freedom-knights, who (as opposed to me) _DO_ care who is or >isn't homosexual. Get back on your meds, it'll do you (and the list) good. > >me One of the meanings of "punk" is "young homosexual". There are a lot of them on the "cypherpunks" mailing list, trying to be social and to make friends. They think that the "cypher" part is "kewl" and even rant about it, without understanding the meanings of the technical terms they use (like the recurrent rant about brute-force attacks on one-time pads). But they don't know much about cryptography, so when someone, e.g., tries to talk about elliptic curves, the "punk" crowd screams that it's "off-topic". Today is Thanksgiving, so I hope you choke on your turkey (or whatever else ends up in your mouth :-). I'm thankful that I wasn't born in this country, because Americans are so stupid.

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TIA Invites
by John Young 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

A rep of the Telecommunications Industry Association telephoned to say that TIA has invited authority to investigate disclosure of TIA's TR45.3 to the unworthy.

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RE: Re: wealth and property rights
by William H. Geiger III 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

In <199611281157.DAA12088(a)infomatch.com>, on 11/28/96 at 04:53 AM, "Murray Hayes" <mhayes(a)infomatch.com> said: >On Wed, 27 Nov 96 10:16:20 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: >>In <009ABBF7.ACB06A80.64(a)SPRUCE.HSU.EDU>, on 11/22/96 >> at 12:18 PM, jc105558(a)spruce.hsu.edu said: >> >> >>socialism uses FORCE to take what it wants while the capitilism you have a >>free & volintary exchange. >> >>why is this so hard to understand?? >> >Don't be an idiot. Socialism has nothing to do with force. It is an >economic system not a military stance. >Communisist belive: >>From each according to there abilities >To each according to there needs. >Socialist belive: >>From each according to there abilities >To each accoring to there contirbution. >They are very similar, BUT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH FORCE!!! >Some countries have very socialized systems with democracy. Those people >want socalized everything. The US is socialized to a very small degree. >The UK is socialized to a further degree. <sigh> socialism has EVERTHING to do with force. Socialism is based on the TAKING from one to give to another. Without FORCE or the threat of FORCE most people will not allow their hard earned property to be taken away from them. You look at any socialist program in the "democracies". Every one is a) Manditory b) Backed by FORCE. No socialist program has ever been implemented on a large scale without the use of FORCE. It just can't work without it. I do not wish to be part of the socialist programs in the U.S. Medicare, Medicaide, Welfaire, SS, WIC, FoodStamps, ...ect. It is only because of the threat of the use of FORCE against me that I continue to pay for such programs AGAINST MY WILL. This is the same everywhere. If these were programs that the majority were willing to participate volentary then why are they Manditory?? Why use the FORCE of government to implement them?? Because socialism is THEIFT and people naturally resist the theift of their property. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> -----------------------------------------------------------

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Whitehouse Releases Blueprint...
by null＠void.gov 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Notably, the emphasis is on the needs of business, not "people." We are in an excellent position to observe and document the process whereby "business" -- that is, organizations motivated primarily, if not exclusively, by the desire for short-term profits accruing to vested interests -- comes to dominate and control a technology. The auto and television industries come to mind as two prior examples. We are about to see the net go the same way. Take notes. "I have to praise the administration and Ira for reaching out to the private sector for comments," Computers and Communication Industry Association President Ed Black said. "There's a great emphasis on the needs of business here." Even so, privacy activists remained disappointed with many of the document's features. "This isn't anything new," said David Banisar, counsel to the Electronic Privacy and Information Center. "The privacy stuff is terrible. They say it's market driven, but markets don't work with privacy. It's like what happened with P-Trak."

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Dorthy Denning is a boot-licking fasicist!!!
by William H. Geiger III 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Hi, I don't know if anyone watched the House Subcomitty on Computers & Technology today on C-Span. Phil Zimmerman, Dorthy Denning, William Reinsch & others were disscussing computer security. Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!! William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!! Phil Zimmerman was quite good at attacking the government policies. <sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted facisit bastards back into office. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> -----------------------------------------------------------

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RE: IQ and age
by Clay Olbon II 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

At 12:40 PM 11/28/96 EST, jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: >Clay Olbon II <olbon(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>Seriously, you ignore the correlation between performance in college and >standardized test scores. There is a reason these are used in admissions - they >are actually pretty good predictors of the ability to perform college level >work. < > >This is a commonly held fiction that is not supported by the evidence. As stated >in another message, the infomration given out by ETS, who administer the GMAT >and SAT, indicate that there is a low correlation between GMAT scores and >successful completion of even first year education programs. This also ignores >the issue of why other, better, widely available predictors are not used >instead. Apples and oranges. I was referring to the correlation of college GPA to SAT scores (which is higher than the correlation between high school GPA and college GPA). GPA measures the ability to do college-level work. As such, SAT scores are very relevant. As you said, <completion> of college probably does involve lots of other factors. I would not expect a high correlation between standardized test scores and completion rates. > >>Oh, I forgot. Only certain racial/ethnic groups are capable of understanding >basic mathematical concepts. < > >There was a good Scientific American article on cultural influences on learning >within the last year or two. It examined Asian groups noted achievements in >tests and the parental and cultural support for scholastic achievement. My point exactly. It is these cultural factors, not the amount of money the parents make, that is really the important aspect. It does seem unfortunate however that in many lower income families, there is less of an emphasis on scholastic achievement. >Another anecdotal example is in the opening chapters of "Surely You're Joking, >Mr. Feynman" by Richard Feynman, the late Caltech professor and general bon >vivant. He describes how his mother introduced a doctor, a general and a >professor with the same respectful tones indicating to him that a career in >academia was as highly valued as any other high position in society. > >>I happen to feel better believing in the potential for any individual in this >country to succeed through hard work. < > >I do to. But how good are your feelings as predictors of actual success? Anecdotal evidence, but I have known people at many levels of society. I have never met anyone who "works hard" that is in dire straits. Some have struggled for a time (I know I did!), but eventually the hard work paid off. Clay

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The Difference Between The Right And Left
by varange＠crl.com 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

The French Revolution perhaps provided the best definition as the origional coiners of the terms. The Left is for radical change and the Right is for evolutionary change. That would put mainstream politics decidedly on the right wing side of the political spectrum. The left wing is a rather motly collection including many anarchists, communists and nazis, yet many of the same types are decidedly right wing. A historical anecdote would be the Bucharin-Rykov wing of the Bolshevik party in the late twenties. They were right wing while Stalin was left wing. Yet, Bucharin would be considered quite radical for today's bean counting politics. This is, of course, confusing to y'all because your all a bunch of stupid college kids. -- Cheers!

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Fwd: Re: wealth and property rights
by Murray Hayes 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:54:51 -0800 (PST), Dave Kinchlea wrote: >On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Clay Olbon II wrote: >> >> This is provably bullshit. Look at the HUGE numbers of people in this >> country who make the economic decision to do nothing and go on welfare vs. >> going to work. Examine carefully the economic performance of the US vs the > >I don't know how much people get on welfare in your country but I >suspect that it is even less than in this country (Canada). Anyone who >truly believes that people make the `economic decision to do nothing and >go on welfare vs. going to work' has, in my opinion, no &^%* idea what >they are talking about. Just try to *live* on a welfare wage for a few >months to see how silly this thought is. While there may well be a few Hmmm, only a few years ago the Finacial Post did a report on welfare in Ontario. The maximum benifit package (for two adults, two children or something like that) came to about 34 000 dollars. YES 34 000 dollars. Actually, the figure the Post published was wrong. Welfare Ontario said they were a couple of hundred dollars UNDER the true value. Of course that isn't all in cash. It comes as subsidies houseing, free diapers, free baby food...... Are you telling me that it would be hard to live on 34 grand? I wasn't aware that our dollar was so weak.... And then there is the B.C./Alberta fiasco. The final check welfare recipients get in Alberta just happens to be the exact amount it costs to buy a bus ticket to B.C. The B.C. govn't gave up ALL federal funding of their welfare program to impose a rule that required 3 months of residence before benifits would be given. I don't even want to start talking about the newfys. What it comes down to is this. Eventually we as a society will have to make a choice. We will have to chose between hurting the people who work and hurting the people who don't work. You can't have it both ways. IF you MUST make the choice, who will you choose? mhayes(a)infomatch.com It's better for us if you don't understand It's better for me if you don't understand -Tragically Hip

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Re: Dorthy Denning is a boot-licking fasicist!!!
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> writes: >I don't know if anyone watched the House Subcomitty on Computers & >Technology today on C-Span. No, we watched 'Dorothy does Georgetown" on C-Spam. >Phil Zimmerman, Dorthy Denning, William Reinsch & others were disscussing >computer security. > >Dorthy Denning gave the most pro-government speech I have ever heard. Is >this clueless bitch on the government payroll?!! Yes. >William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! Fucking >goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!! Start with Socks the queer cat. >Phil Zimmerman was quite good at attacking the government policies. > ><sigh> We are truly a country of fools to have put these jackbooted >facisit bastards back into office. "Dorothy Denning" is a man in drag. "She" has a bigger dick that "her" boyfriend John Gilmore, the cocksucker faggot from EFF. >----------------------------------------------------------- >"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> >----------------------------------------------------------- Just say GAK to chicks with dicks! diGriz

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Is /dev/random good enough to generate one-time pads?
by ichudov＠algebra.com 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Subj sez it all. Thank you. - Igor.

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