December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: (fwd) Re: US versions of Netscape now available---NOT
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > Whatever YaKnow > > cybernut(a)nutcom.com > > 10401 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 805 > > Los Angeles, CA 90024-4628 > > (310) 475-3799 > > > > > > Isn't that nice. Some creep is proud enough of his skill at accessing the > trivially available InterNIC finger data that he posts it to invoke > harassment. And being a coward as well, he hides behind an anonymous > remailer. Of course, SternFUD himself advertised all the same material & much more hornblowing on http://www.switchboard.com; Check it out yourself. (I do note UnProfessor has removed the Panasana address that was there previously.) [IMAGE] DR. DAVID STERNLIGHT PROVIDES ECONOMIC AND STRATEGIC PLANNINGCONSULTING SERVICES FOR HIGH-TECHNOLOGY FIRMS. Strategic uncertainty is now the norm for the business environment. Wrenching events such as the fall of the Soviet Union, major shifts in technology and its location, and new directions in national and international policy strongly affect the medium and long-term business future...... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: New Infowarfare Panel
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Sternlight wrote: <snip> >I'm talking about some of the information that started slowly leaking out >later, not the prime-time TV pyrotechnics. It doesn't "slowly leak out" as if there were some regrettable lapse in the plumbing. Someone has to commit the federal crime of military espionage! <snicker>

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No Subject
by weffross＠counsel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: #E-CASH: PRODUCT OR SERVICE?
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:19 7/16/96, Stig wrote: >Perhaps this has already been voiced on the main list (I get a filtered >helping or two of cypherpunks), but *I'm* surprised that such a generic name >as 'Ecash' was granted trademark status anywhere. > >It's like giving Microsoft a trademark on the term 'Email'... It's nuts! >Was the term ecash not in use before DigiCash showed up on the scene? No that I am aware of. Furthermore, to the best of my knowledge, DigiCash's Ecash is the only ecash that I am aware of. The other "ecashs" lack various properties of cash, as previously explained by Bryce. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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BIG_dif
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

7-19-96. NYP: "AT&T and Wells Fargo Investing in an Electronic Cash Card." The companies said that they would form the American affiliate of Mondex. Any one with a Mondex card can transfer electronic cash to anyone else with a card. This flexibility has raised concerns both about the possibility of counterfeiting and of money laundering. Because of these concerns, Mondex has been modified in the United States so that banks will be able to track card use. That will allow them to audit for fraud, if not recreate every transaction. Data from Mondex cards will be used for various product marketing. "We believe there should be privacy, but there is a big difference between privacy and anonymity," Dudley Nigg, executive vice president of Wells Fargo, said. ----- http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/bigdif.txt (4 kb) BIG_dif

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Re: Gorelick testifies before Senate, unveils new executive order (fwd)
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SternFUD claims: > There are exceptions to ITAR for this purpose (overseas offices of US > companies). Clearly UnProfessor failed to read recent Phil Karn's testimony at the Senate Subcommittee. Phil, representing both himself *and Qualcomm* explained how Qualcomm had attempted to export a Triple DES application to their own Hong Kong office, *for use by the AMCIT employees there* to communicate with Califunny. The request was denied with a FORM LETTER checked "resubmit a non-Triple DES method" or words close to that. Further, Phil told the Subcommittee that every time they need a bug fix on the CDMA code running on the system in HK; they must resubmit the whole package back for approval. A BUG FIX! They've been through this many times, each one taking eons. Just suppose ARCO needed all new permits every time they adjusted the crude mix, or retuned the cat cracker? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: BIG_dif
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Because of these concerns, Mondex has been modified in > the United States so that banks will be able to track > card use. That will allow them to audit for fraud, if > not recreate every transaction. Data from Mondex cards > will be used for various product marketing. > > "We believe there should be privacy, but there is a big > difference between privacy and anonymity," Dudley Nigg, > executive vice president of Wells Fargo, said. So, how will the identity of the cardholder be tracked when they are transferred physically from one person to another? Presumably bank tracking will only work when the card is submitted to a "public" terminal. "Wallet" transfers won't be tracked immediately. Also, if an API is realeased, interesting possibilities are created. DCF

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim, I understand you are pissed about what's going on in society but this really isnt a great strategy; >Personally, I think all folks should be armed at all times in their homes. >Those who aren't are taking their chances. doesn't this make you a prisoner of sorts... it is not healthy to go through long periods of time in orange alert. this might sound macho but it's impracticle. > My personal choice is a Heckler >& Koch USP .45. loaded with Federal Golden Sabres, a hollowpoint round that >has a 92% one-shot stop rate, with adequate penetration through Kevlar >vests (typically worn by BATF raiders). >Fortunately, though KTW ammo is no longer available to "marks" (= >civilians), .45 ACP +P does a pretty good job. Certain +P .357 Magnum >rounds are even better penetrators, but recoil and muzzle blast is pretty >severe with these loads.) Your choice of weapon is admirable, but I would suggest that something more akin to Glaser safety slugs, SW.40 or .45 would be better. with proper training you can perform an upward stitch, legs first. the point is the Glaser won't pentrate the walls and nail your neighbors. The +P penetration is way to strong and most likely to pass through. A scatergun is generaly a better weapon for home defense. there is something about looking down a 12 guage that changes your mind, Ninja suit or not. Besides this kind of strategy is better used on gangsta types. >I may die, but I hope I can take at least two of them with me. pretty dumb attitude, I would also profess that One Live Tim May, even in Jail is worth more to the protection of freedom than one martyred nekid hippy. getting into a gunfight with an entry team that has had much more practice than you can only lead to one conclusion, really the only protection from these Ninja's is through some form of covenant community. All joking aside that what Bo Gritz was really trying to do in Idaho, build a place where your neighbor watches each others back. It doesnt mater whether your agree with his politics or not, the point is he has an workable idea, Now couple that with redundant instant communication..the kind that is hard to jam. hmm imagine what Waco would have been like if the Branch Davidians: 1) were not morons. 2) knew how to use the news media 3) had redundant, spread spectrum, satilite, and underground comms into the net. This equals instant net coverage, to rival CNN. It makes for a hard target.Armed with your Militia-Mailer(tm) the strong crypto edition and live video, these folks would never consider getting near you. In some ways we already have one now, there are quite a few Cypher-punks out there, and it's pretty easy to get the word out. Historicaly folks like BATF prefer softer targets, they are safer. Ever wonder why doesnt the Reno squad hit the crack houses..well thats kind of dangerous, these folks know what they are doing and the cost to raid them can be very expensive in lives. And what do you get when your done, another well payed judge simply lets em out again.. It's also clear that there is another manufactured arms race going on, this time instead of Communism it's the "war on some drugs" It is costing us an incredable amount of tax dollars, it fucks with our freedoms, and produces limited results. This war also has the side-effect of producing a general feeling of disenfrancisement among the very citizens it is designed to protect. Folks like Her Klinton, piss off the the American people, when on one hand they spout rhetoric about how drugs are bad, and on the other hand condone them. Fighting back through firepower is unlikely to acheive the goal you want, It endangers innocent (if there are any left) folks and leaves you looking like a HCI poster child. I can see it now, "Crazed Naked Hippy Dies in battle with Federal Officers, linked to ITAR regulated Munitions factory". A better approach is to disarm and expose these bozos for what they are, and for christ sakes get out there and VOTE... dammit... and get your friends to VOTE.. But what do I know.. I just play a lawyer in Bob's rants.. Vinnie Moscaritolo "Law - Samoan Style" http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Re: Responding to Pre-daw
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-=> Quoting In:hallam@ai.mit.edu to Harka <=- In> If you want to own guns then you should accept the fact that you risk In> having your head blown off in the middle of the night by a SWAT team. In> Just as the car has introduced the risk of being killed in a trafic In> accident the gun has introduced new risks. If society dosen't like the In> risks then it can opt to ban the technology. Except that getting killed in a traffic accident IS an accident (mostly :)) while having black clad Fed's storming into your house was _consciously_ decided by them, because THEY have a problem with YOUR guns (?!)... Harka ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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VRML
by brianh＠u041.oh.vp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, Does anybody know of a mailing-list for VRML? I have tried www-VRML(a)wired.com but there is nothing, least not returned. Any help and/or direction would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance, brianh(a)u041.oh.vp.com UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN :-)

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