December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Smartcards are coming to the US
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:15 4/21/96, Brad Dolan wrote: >Saw a CNN story Friday about an interesting special debit card >application in Mexico. They're being issued to poor Mexicans, who can >use them to buy tortillas and a few other foodstuffs. The cards are tied to >a behavior-control database and failure to send kids to school, get >mandatory medical exams/treatments/vaccinations, etc. results in card >deactivation. My first response was: he is making this up. But it shoudn't come as a surprise to any reader of this list. Expect to see more of it. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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GAW_ker
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Security Management, published by the American Society for Industrial Security, has two articles on computer security in its April, 1996, issue: "Legal Lessons in the Computer Age," by Mark D. Rasch, J.D., director of information security law and policy with SAIC, and former DoJ prosecutor of Robert Tappan Morris. A tabloid on tabloiding computer crime to hacker-phobics. This snapshot of current law and court rulings gives security professionals a glimpse into the evolving legal landscape that companies must be prepared to negotiate when pursuing those who might attempt to steal or damage computerized systems or information. (30kb) "E-Mail Policy By the Letter," by Fred L. Trickey, an information security officer at Columbia University. An account of good e-mail policies and procedures, with salient references, and a sidebar on E-mail gawking. (24kb) GAW_ker (for both) ----- For info on security management see: http://www.securitymanagement.com

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Anonymnity at teleport
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A bit of interesting information about teleport. Still not as good as c2 (as I stated), but it's still good to have multiple anonymous account providers around... whether or not they mean to be anonymous. This is from a sysadmin type there (why I deleted the name) who I'll ask about the Majordomo patch. -Allen >>Our users can have a P.O. Box as their address (or a false address), >>whatever they want as their 'real name', and can pay for their accounts by >>mailing in cash. All they need to do is be close to a phone that isn't >>theirs for an hour or so. > >>The can put in a phone# when they set up, then call in from that phone (even >>if it isn't their own) and have one of us call them back with a few >>minutes...all set. > >>Can't get any more anonymous than that. > >>Of course it *is* against the rules. > > The reason that I'd take your name off, yes. Also a reason not to be as >trusting... since it is against the rules at teleport, you're more likely to >cooperate than Sameer is if the feds or someone want to know who the anonymous >person is. Sameer makes quite sure he doesn't _have_ any information to give >such types.... including log files of telnet sessions. True, but a log file without a name, address, phone# or SS# to attach to it is worth *very* little.... :)

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Re: Scientology harassing anon.penet.fi again!
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've got someone (Phil Agre) who wants to forward the scientology stuff (i.e., on their potential troubling of anonymous remailers et al)... _if_ he can avoid any legal problems by doing so. Any legal opinions on what that's been posted on cypherpunks he _can_ forward without the likelihood of legal hassles? Thanks, -Allen

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Scientology's fishing expedition mentions remailers
by Thomas Grant Edwards 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Biased Journalism [via fight-censroship list] is reporting that Keith Henson received a Demand For The Production Of Documents and Things from counsel for the Religious Technology Center [RTC], an arm of the church of scientology. Among the documents to be produced by Mr. Henson: Demand 14. Any and all documents relating to postings of Advanced Technology materials, including, but not limited to, actual postings or discussions of such postings, whether actual or planned, made through the following servers: a. freezone.remailer b. nately.ucsd.edu C. penet.fi d. replay.comm e. utopia.backtic.nl Demand 19. Any and all documents relating to communications with the following individuals relating to the Advanced Technology: a. Alex Dejoode b. Dennis Erlich c. Steven Fishman d. Mike Godwin e. Johan Helsingius f. Jeff Jacobsen g. Tom Klemesrud h. Arnaldo Lerma i. Dierdre Malloy j. Peter Mante k. Ron Neuman l. Robert Penny m. Felipe Rodriquez n. Karin Spaink o. Shari Steele p. Shelly Thomson q. David Touretzky r. Grady Ward s. Lawrence Wollersheim Demand 20. Any and all documents relating to postings made through the following servers: a. freezone.remailer b. nately.ucsd.edu c. penet.fi d. replay.comm e. utopia.hacktic.nI

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Re: Anonymnity at teleport
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:29 PM 4/21/96 EDT, Allen wrote: > A bit of interesting information about teleport. Still not as good >as c2 (as I stated), but it's still good to have multiple anonymous account >providers around... whether or not they mean to be anonymous. This is from a >sysadmin type there (why I deleted the name) who I'll ask about the Majordomo >patch. [snip] And to think I gave them my real name... Do check about the majordomo patch. It's saved list owners here a lot of headaches. I'm not sure what it would take to implement, but the end result is very good, IMHO. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Georgia Legislation - Remailer Effect???
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T have included copy of text from c/net about a bill passed in the Georgia legislature. It would definately impact remailer service. Location of the remailers might fall in with the Arkansas (or was it Tennessee) BBS/Porno case. The URL is at: http://www.cnet.com/Content/News/Files/0,16,1144,00.html Article follows - --------------------------------- Georgia OKs "Net Police" law By Rose Aguilar April 19, 1996, 5 p.m. PST A bill signed into law this week by Georgia Governor Zell Miller has sparked yet another firestorm over what role the government should take in curbing the Internet and whether legislators are sufficiently techno-savvy to make considered judgments. House Bill 1630 was introduced on February 8 by Georgia House of Representatives member Don Parsons (R-Marietta). The bill makes it illegal to falsely identify yourself or place a registered trademark or logo on your home page. The bill also makes it illegal for email users to have addresses that don't include their own names. For example, an individual who sets up a site that gives the appearance of representing a government agency by using a state seal could be sued by the state. Also, "vanity" email addresses like jackpot(a)luckynumber.com purchased from a new service called VanityMail.com are now illegal in the state of Georgia. If someone is sued under the new law, the court will decide the penalties. Parsons says he drafted the bill to solve the problem of online impersonation. "Back in the winter I started hearing about home pages through the news that offer remedies and health related services. To the untrained eye the pages make it appear that the information provided is valid and could be some kind of remedy," Parsons said. "After some thought and research I decided to present the bill." The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a civil liberties organization devoted to technology-related issues, says the bill could undermine one of the essential benefits of the Net: the ability to link information posted to one site with related information posted to another. "The way the bill is written states that you can't put a button on your homepage that says, 'Click here to go to Wired magazine.'" If Wired is copyrighted I would be under violation if I didn't have their permission. Instead, I would have to say, 'Click here to go to this cool magazine,'" said Shari Steel, a staff attorney with the EFF. Parsons retorts back that the foundation is misinterpreting the bill. "The EFF is reading something into the bill which just isn't there. The bill has nothing to do with links. The bill is about using a name or a trademark to represent your page as being someone else's," he said. The problem is that the wording of the law leaves it open to multiple interpretations, according to the EFF. "He created a very vague law that could very well make everyone on the Internet a criminal," said Steel. Furthermore, the EFF is accusing Parsons of introducing the bill to help his employer, Bell South, win a lawsuit. Bell South announced this week that it has filed a suit against startup company "realpages.com" in a battle over domain names on the Internet. Realpages.com designs and maintains Web pages for other businesses. Bell South, however, has a trademark on the term The Real Yellow Pages for its printed directories and claims that this extends to a trademark on the "realpages.com" domain name for the Net. The Baby Bell wants to use "realpages.com" because "Realyellowpages.com" is too long. "This [bill] has been masterminded by Bell South. It's obvious, considering that the legislator who wrote the bill is a Bell South employee," said Stanton McCandlish, an online activist with the EFF. "This bill would give Bell South the victory that they want, but probably aren't going to get in court. Bell South is going to lose that case and lose big," he said. Parsons confirms that he works for Bell South but denies the charge. "The Bell South Corporation has no interest in this bill. I don't even think the cases are the same," Parsons said. "I put this bill together long before that case and they are totally separate," he said. Whatever Parsons' motivations, even some other Georgia representatives agree that he managed to get a bill passed with potential negative repercussions for the use of the Internet. "Many legislators are afraid of technology and they fear the power of information and the Internet, especially the Internet in the power of the voters and that's a nationwide problem," said Representative Mitchell Kaye (R-Marietta). Kaye is the Web master of a site called the Conservative Policy Caucus (CPC), which posts information about House activities from the viewpoint of the conservative legislative caucus. During debate over his bill, Parsons referred to the CPC site as an example of one that passes itself off as an official government site. Kaye says that Parsons is wrong about the CPC site and that it will be unaffected by the bill. But he's still concerned about the potential dampening affect that it will have on the use of the Internet in Georgia. "I'm concerned about the bigger page of the Internet," said Kaye. "The bottom line is that this is an unconstitutional infringement upon free speech and literally puts Georgia in the same category as communist China." Ridiculous, says Parsons. "I would never want to restrict anybody's freedom of speech, but I believe that end users have some right to know who is behind what they are looking at," he said. The passage of the law has since sparked conversation on Steve Outing's online-news mailing list. Copyright =A9 1996 c|net inc. all rights reserved - ---------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMXlW3hKvccEAmlQ9AQFTSAf+PuyHzI8sOFcye0hCpMrY0I8lWD9CLJcW KsD+2hfFAfjjRsA5YzB2LWhfZ2JfGrzwFibHrX4nc+qlDpZmECOipAdmDLf5/EmA 149YGLbLmn/E44BcsJK2MCFluASonON9HADZGrvr8IYDumRde7ycIshx3+YZ7KwL Ix4g+PsIP1mzRGTi0kkBgJL7/m6g7xY/QH0XPSZZEbiFSBXIFusYQ/YZCCH5JLUa VaGgWURRNnwz3eDHgfW0Ck+ES4HNV2yXDR5IQ/IL3fufZOjt2NCczomr29ebWJ9I IvXYQVZv8I+Wsus/YisgOA0Hz1VoNPdiUQgUPf4gO0MAEgo/9Ai1yw== =INB6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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privacy
by CS5549＠conrad.appstate.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Send me info....soon!!!

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Re: Was the clause for Biometric ID Cards dropped?
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:12 4/21/96, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: > As the subject line says, was the proposal for Biometric ID Cards >dropped? I saw something about it on here and forwarded it; my respondent >(Phil Agre of the RRE news service) says he thought that clause had been >dropped. If it passes this year, next year, or five years from now, pass it will. With the customary >90%. Presumably after a suitable Reichstag Brand. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Jim Bell, Apology to list. Was: [Yadda Yadda Yadda]
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:44 PM 4/21/96, Black Unicorn wrote: >All this said, I find Mr. May's and Mr. Sandfort's criticism stinging. Mr. >Bell, and my response to him, manages to sap a great deal of time and effort >from myself and others for no gain aside draining his (and to some extent >my) reputation >capital. These disputes serve little purpose otherwise. It's clear to By the way, I certainly was not making a personal condemnation of Uni, or of Jim Bell for that matter. I was mainly making the point that Sandy's point about setting up a wager is problematic (in fact, Uni makes the same points vis-a-vis his view of how Bell might start finagling about the terms of any bet--this was in fact seen during the Extropians experiments, and is what I meant when I said that more time would be spent debating the bet....). I admit that I once I wrote the word "the Unibells" (Uni + Bell, of course), I liked the ring of it (:-}) and used it for the thread title as well. I was serious that I deleted unread the Bell/Unicorn rants; I suspect nearly all others do as well, so their time spent on these messages these last several weeks was even more of a waste. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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