December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

MEETING: Cypherpunks May 11th San Francisco Bay Area Meeting
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The monthly meeting of any Cypherpunks in the San Francisco Bay area will happen this Saturday May 11th, 12:00 noon till about dinner time (say 18:00, 6pm). We are going to try meeting in back of the Tresidder Union at Stanford University in the court yard (by the elevator tower). Tresidder Union is a little (peninsula) west of the Stanford main Quad, there is a parking lot just p-west of of the Union that you can park in on weekends. The best automotive access is from the west via Junipero Serra Blvd. (also called Foothill Expressway, Santa Cruz Ave & Alameda De Las Pulgus) into the 'back' of the Stanford Campus, look it up on a map folks. For some semi-useful maps try: http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/maps.html There is a chance we will get a room to meet in, in that case there will be a sign/person telling you where to go. If not there is a raised area in the court yard (under the tree) that will be the gathering area. In the case of rain (and no room) we will meet in the pub in the (peninsula) south west corner of the Union. If you have things you want to talk about at this meeting, or can help in some way please email me. ||ugh Daniel hugh(a)toad.com Vague Agenda: 12:00 Meeting intro, Hugh Daniel on Crypto GUI's and toolkits to build them. Discussion on Crypto GUI design. 12:30 Review of various Crypto GUI's (lead by Hugh Daniel) Various Java applets CyberCash Wallet Various Graphic PGP Shells Skey Others? Please email examples of good or bad Crypto GUI's to demo at the meeting. I have a FreeBSD/Windross-95 laptop to demo them on (we could use a larger display then my laptop screen). 13:30 Norm Hardy on Keys(capabilities), what they are, how they can make things secure if done right, and what the functional difference might look like to an end user. 14:30 Break 15:00 Electronic Communities presentation on "E", an extension of Java to provide Keys(capabilities) in a commercial environment. 16:00 Marianne Mueller & John Gilmore report on the recent Java Security workshop. 17:00 Open for breaking issues, future meeting planing etc. 18:00 Break for dinner. At 20:00 there will be a PenSFA party ( PenSFA is the Peninsula Area Science Fiction Assn.) in San Carlos (12 miles up Alameda De Las Pulgus). Talk to me at the meeting for more info. For dinner I will suggest 'Thai City', about a 2 kilometers south of Page Mill at 4329 El Camino Real. It is on the Peninsula East side of the road, white building with a purple stripe around it and some {}`s (really). +1 415 493 0643

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Internet/Obscenity Legal Gathering in NYC
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I haven't seen this announcement reposted to this mailing list, and I think it's of sufficient interest to warrant reposting: Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship,misc.legal.moderated,talk.politics,alt.privacy From: ra(a)panix.com (Ron Abramson) Subject: Free program on net censorship in NYC Message-ID: <Dr1vDJ.Cr8(a)world.std.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:49:08 GMT Announcement: Free Program On Net Censorship in New York City, May 22 at 7:30 P.M. -------------------------------------------- THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN CYBERSPACE: Regulating the On-Line Dissemination of "Indecent Material" This program will address the issue of the First Amendment as applied to the Internet and On-line services. Special focus will be given to the new federal law which is intended to regulate the dissemination of "Indecent Material" via these mediums. The Association of the Bar of the City of New York 42 W 44TH Street, New York, New York (Bet. 5th and 6th Avenues) (212) 382-6600 Wednesday, May 22, 1996, 7:30 till 9 P.M. Moderator: CHARLES R. NESSON Weld Professor of Law, Harvard law School Panelists: ROBERT FLORES Senior Trial Attorney, Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, U.S. Department of Justice MICHAEL GODWIN General Counsel, Electronic Frontier Foundation STEPHEN M. HEATON General Counsel, Compuserve, Inc. NORMAN REDLICH Wachtell, Lipton Rosen & Katz, former Dean, New York University School of Law BRUCE TAYLOR President and Chief Counsel, National Center for Children and Families Co-sponsored by: Committee on Computer Law, Joseph P. Zammit, Chair Committee on Lectures and Continuing Education, Normal L. Green, Chair Members of the Association, their guests and all other interested persons are invited to attend. No fees or reservations are required. --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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FW: Science Project Fair
by Husa, Carl (MSX) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>---------- >From: Beverly. Ferguson[SMTP:103014.3727@CompuServe.COM] >Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 1996 9:38 PM >To: KOMBUCHA DIGEST; PARACELSUS DIGEST >Subject: Science Project Fair > > >Originally Posted To: > >>Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:58:55 -0400 >>Sender: Methods of Teaching Mathematics <TEACHMAT(a)UICVM.UIC.EDU> >>From: Peggy R Shearin <pshearin(a)WARREN.CES.NCSU.EDU> >>Subject: Science Fair Project > >>>Hi, our names are Stevie and Amanda. We are in the 5th grade at >>>the Phillipston Memorial school, Phillipston, Massachusetts, USA. >>>We are doing a science project on the Internet. We want to see >>>how many responses we can get back in two weeks. (We are only >>>sending out 2 letters). > >>>Please respond and then send this letter to anyone you >>>communicate with on the Internet. > >>>Respond to smc(a)tiac.net. >>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>>1. Where do you live (state and country)? > > >>>2. From whom did you get this letter? > > >>>Thank you, >>>Stevie and Amanda > >------------------------------ > >

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Re: Penet-style web remailer?
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:17 PM 5/8/96 EDT, you wrote: > http://noah.pair.com/anon.html. It appears to be >sort of a penet-style anonymous remailer, only without return messages. Anyone >know anything else about it? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have tried noah.pair.com in several tests and for seemingly secure communications with good results. In addition I have carried on an e-mail conversation with him. Give him a try. Alec camcc(a)abraxis.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMZHduCKJGkNBIH7lAQF8HgQArQRgSTMWL0WcAkv9Byk1ZghBYsI9AxRF mxE3nGnHu4H8dhMQXZtUOoY0LN7GkdcCYH8LBab91XwaJCYp3j5WqVt4xPP+feF5 hUTch6VUb/dPB1VYEfHjwNXPAhkOuM2Noarq3cFqbhJNK4UkC1IzNhy1rrhE2yZ+ Yyzv8ppwe4g= =d9bl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Remailer fot NT
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Thu May 09 09:28:20 1996 Does anyone know of a remailer that runs undet NT. If not, any source that might be ripe for a port. Lou Z. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)isdn.net "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMZIBJBKvccEAmlQ9AQGs5Af+I8BfY640aj/e483mDzbdHOioEaPrQmZ1 R8rA7H0Kg29VU4/4f+Y5J66ZshMVr4ojOYzj8/H7mrsCjsZPx7MjBqiIH1pbUouG ky0NvGLw+HeBRWZz1OSElDUYE+QMHnMr2CxYnaepS/91erJmpt0xE5/oXVohEQOq q/ARLWAYw4FJ6n7cgDDfkcxp5scHthLsAzMCbuHxfsvzAm/1LdU/QFvUWG2+BNv3 4Hx2TWasGWaSfX/+zZGuXHA123JW2frE98o+nRORcM5y7kCOaXPP69xp+aAJsGdh wf7M/ekRhBjfJgdOLtgID+zKBJbZEHA3kGgCmHdz1ynoWiXnMcTlcw== =bWV8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Looking for someone to speak on JAVA security issues (fwd)
by TQDB 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 03:25:29 -0700 From: The Dark Tangent <dtangent(a)defcon.org> To: dc-stuff(a)fc.net Subject: Looking for someone to speak on JAVA security issues If you or someone you know has seen a Java security expert who would speak at DEF CON, please have them contact me! -- Hey! All my mail is sniffed! Don't forget to PGP important stuff. PGP Key (2.3a & 2.6) on key servers or mail me. Voice (AT&T) 0-700-TANGENT DEF CON mailing list, mail: majordomo(a)fc.net with "subscribe dc-announce" in the body. DEF CON FTP: ftp.fc.net /pub/defcon http://www.defcon.org

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hks newsgroup
by Kent Briggs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hks.lists.cypherpunks has shown no new articles in the past three weeks. I've resubscribed to the mailing list but have seen no mention of the newsgroup's status. What happened to hks and is it ever coming back up? Kent

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re: Dempster-Shafer...(re: Transitive
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:18 AM 5/9/96, watson(a)tds.com wrote: >tcmay's approach is elegant, and it's refreshing to find a practical use >for AI approaches. I think it needs one more step, though. If we learn >to quantify our trust in a key, we still need to know what the threshold >should be for a given application. Maybe I can get by with a 0.05 Bel >for posting to cypherpunks, but maybe I want a 0.95 for a monetary >transaction. Seems to need a comprehensive risk management approach, [was the rest accidentally cut off?] Anyway, I agree that a more comprehensive system is needed. But even attaching belief estimates to keys, for example, goes a long way in letting others than do some transitive calculations. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Applicable Models for Trust Calculations (Re: Dempster-Shafer Theory and Belief Networks (Re: Transitive trust))
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:51 PM 5/7/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >In particular, one form of belief representation seems especially relevant: >Dempster-Shafer theory. Two quick things: (more in my forthcoming thesis) 1. It is very instructive to consider systems for considering trust and belief (and Dempster-Shafer is a rather nice one). However, these systems (my own decision analysis discussion to a degree, but less so with respect to information gathering) and Dempster-Shafer in particular require the events to be independent: "Further, Dempster-Shafer theory provides rules for combining probabilities and thus for propagating measures through the system. This fourth point is possibly the most attractive, but it is also one of the most controversial since the propagation method is an extension of the multiplication rule for independent events. Since many of the applications involve events that are surely dependent, that rule is, by classical statistical criteria, inapplicable. The tendency to assume that events are independent unless proven otherwise has stimulated a large proportion of the criticism of probability approaches; as it stands, Dempster-Shafer theory suffers the same ill" [Shapiro (ed.) Encyclopedia of Aritificial Intelligence. /Reasoning, Default./ p 846.] The very term "Web of Trust" makes one pause with respect to independent events. 2. Just as a comment, it seems there are different meaning of "transitiviy" in related but different disciplines, for instance in value and utility functions, one requires transitivity, but in a way different from what Hal discusses: "For any three possible set os of consequences, X1, X2, and X3, if X1 > X2 and X2 > X3 then the preference is transitive such that X1 > X3." [deNeufville, R. Applied Systems Analysis: Engineering Planning and Technology Management, 1990, p 313.] This refers to a single person's preferences (rather than 3 individuals in a "network.") _______________________ Regards, Men govern nothing with more difficulty than their tongues, and can moderate their desires more than their words. -Spinoza Joseph Reagle http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: Mandatory Voluntary Self-Ratings
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 11:17 AM 05/9/96 -0400, Joseph M. Reagle Jr. <reagle(a)MIT.EDU> wrote: >> I've figured out where my differences between myself and others >lay. The _only_ system and service that I am aware of that is distributing >PICS labels is RSAC. (http://www.rsac.org) They are what one could call an >objective and non-arbitrary content rating system rather than an >"appropriateness" system. "Appropriateness" systems will be valuable 3rd >party systems when the vigilantes and fundamentalists wish to create label >bureaus. For self labeling, if many people (main stream people) are going to >use that system within their browser, it will have to have mind share. If >it's going to have mind share, I think it would be advantegeous to it to be >a descriptive label rather than "appropriate." Hence, much of the concerns >I'm hearing aren't so worrisome to me. SurfWatch is offering self-rating via a web page at their site. It spits back the appropriate 'meta' tags to embed in an html document. Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMZFQ+MVrTvyYOzAZAQFM+gP/edsvNSSkeiyZVBuJyWYCK82J7O1zG5O8 jI5cGj22R/qSPAhhpZj6pLFxvoKnuUc7P+8QzAao1ccxihZpy5ZW3fzM/+pyn6dW B126/l4R+SRCrDiPV+5HeXyBTXAiWYMjRAuv2nZtHVIiLjQrjziwrug4H/4U26GP NEbKT8Uqwno= =UAbu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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