December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Some thoughts on the Chinese Net
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:44 PM 2/19/96 -0600, Alex Strasheim <cp(a)proust.suba.com> wrote: >steady force towards liberalization. Once Chineese society has coexisted >with a vibrant black information market for a decade or two, making >things legal will probably seem sensible to most people -- no one will >expect the sky to fall if people are allowed to speak their minds. I'd like to agree, but I'm afraid I can't. Notice that many years of widespread use of currently illegal drugs in the US has not translated into widespread willingness to say that the drugs should be legal. Nor has the experience of decades of black markets turned into widespread Russian willingness to allow a lot more freedom: what they call "profiteering" and punish heavily is mostly what we call "wholesaling" and regard as an essential part of mundane distribution. Cognitive dissonance is really, really easy to come by, and hard to remove. -- Bruce Baugh bruce(a)aracnet.com http://www.aracnet.com/~bruce

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Re: NET_run [NOISE]
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 02:54 PM 2/19/96 -0800, bruce@aracnet wrote: >> Sometime next month a game will be played on the >> Internet, challenging surfers to leap between sites, >> solving puzzles and cracking codes that will give them >> access to secret data hidden behind firewalls and >> software barriers. > >Netrunner is indeed a card game. As part of the intro publicity, some demo >games will be run on the Web. (No, no info about that at the moment.) The >rest is the intersection of overenthusiastic publicity folks and clueless >reporters. "Go, marketing department, go" were the exact words of my friend. Which is based on the even more cool Cyberpunk (no, not Cypherpunk, but it seems that way in my own games) traditional role-playing game. Actually, that's not a small percentage of why I keep up with all the noise on this list - you get some _great_ game ideas. <<perrygram elided>> dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMSkafjVTwUKWHSsJAQEI7gf9HwKWFS489/ljLT9OtQxpfLP5dqOtCkFg 7IW65RvYfuwS/G6bkpc9pOUGGabnsI/rak7AtzJwXlqtI6DJnTl7MSNoA+vdddQX t7eLv4d9phTSBg3s5N1upOZuLO8239pWmx+y0Rknzo1qkZ9P0pQPOFqHdhsem5TA X/AtP1nLyno8dKlOLcdcqk3p5CLQt6v3X/sZN10Y1N6JYXcxmY3VbFWMBjmWjAZi Qv9awTjBvLem+NHF/alEkRR2AIeswLwl7jB/P9zZ/R4x1NfcGYKGWRnT+6cFITrM UYH+WxqYZGcrY3ECVJ8IrylFJ/MJsBDyUpw+ZXIbh9BjQmD8GfiukQ== =TPrG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- David E. Smith, c/o Southeast Missouri State University 1000 Towers Circle South MS 1210 Cape Girardeau MO 63701 dsmith(a)midwest.net, dsmith(a)alpha.c2.org, PGP 0x961D2B09 (573)339-3814 http://www.midwest.net/scribers/dsmith/ "Reality is only for those lacking in true imagination."

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NET_run
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-19-96. NYT: "In this new game, you'll never play with a full deck." Sometime next month a game will be played on the Internet, challenging surfers to leap between sites, solving puzzles and cracking codes that will give them access to secret data hidden behind firewalls and software barriers. The new game is Netrunner, set in the "dark techno-future" in which "ruthless corporations scheme to accomplish secret agendas as they build elaborate fortresses of data." In opposition to such plots, "anarchistic netrunners hack the system, infiltrating data forts to liberate information." It was created by Richard Garfield, who applied his doctoral training in combinatorial mathematics -- a field that studies the interaction of objects in complex systems. " 'Magic' Casts a Spell on Players." Magic was invented by Richard Garfield, who revels in his shoelessness. "I like to wear socks or slippers indoors," he said, padding around the Puck Building in thick. off-white socks. Developing the game took Mr. Garfield, who has a doctorate in combinational mathematics, all of a week. NET_run

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Fuck Islam and the Apologists Cluttering Up this List with Defenses of It
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:08 AM 2/20/96, Sean Gabb wrote: >I did say I wouldn't send this review. But having broken purdah once >already this evening, I see no harm in doing so again. > >Sean Gabb. ... All of you in the following list please take me off your list of responses: Sean Gabb <cea01sig(a)gold.ac.uk>, Alan Horowitz <alanh(a)infi.net>, Ashfaq Rasheed <ashfaq(a)corp.cirrus.com>, jpb(a)miamisci.org (Generally, I don't see why people keep letting the cc: and To: fields get cluttered up with additional names, unless someone is not reading the CP list, in which case who cares if they don't get it?) Please don't send me separate copies (in addition to what is sent to the IslamPunks mailing list) of this Muslim crap....it's bad enough seeing the pro-Muslim apologists explaining why the Word of Allah (hollow be his name) is more liberating than any decadent, Western system can be, about how women are more free under Islam because they have the freedom to be obedient to the will of her husband and Allah (hollow be his name), the freedom to be beaten with sticks if they show their face in public, and the freedom to have their devil organs removed. And don't send me any more apologies about how it is only "Arab Islam" that is barbaric and authoritarian...the Persians don't exactly like to be called Arabic, and yet the Persian/Iranian branch (Shiite) is amongst the most backward of all the Muslim sects. (Women dismissed from their professional jobs when Khomeini took over, forced to wear the chador, death warrant on Rushdie, and so on.) --Tim May [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and fuck them right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should fuck him." So the two daughters got him drunk and screwed him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got them pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he pulled out before he came....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals, unless God tells you to. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Re: Remailers not heard from; info?
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:31 PM 2/19/96 -0800, bruce@aracnet wrote: >A fix along the lines of > >:: >don't-send-anything-after-this > >might be readily applicable. Don't some remailers support the "Cutmarks" header, which does essentially that? A useful reference for this is Raph's remailers list; among the numbers and cryptic little charts is a listing of which remailers support which features. dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMSkaFDVTwUKWHSsJAQGCjAf+K5TW4yRol6a0L2xclbrU84MMA3FtmpCE xyx016KEOxEfVGBflsg3phRYSfY13Ezjxkrmkv449wsOAlRamwFpgCTcpDNU+dKk YXrJGnQ2PMNYPXZNNK/CObHEFA2xl3peITMF27NrLcGkC2On4r+geajyV8QZo+RF bNmPJ6fc5FTyl1BNAe0L/spucxx1wDG+IgKZP9IX+I3niJJBdxj73N4AAz3loesq +qwB9NRceFtNYdoigYUxC9nhB0s90C1fJtkc0/M8Jv0Qd0S4FosU+e1HSCkNLgXU ALuoXkhhRFmBAIW9Qf6aLKK4ANgt9DfmKIoHaBYy1B1GBKhxLHEWqw== =Fzjc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- David E. Smith, c/o Southeast Missouri State University 1000 Towers Circle South MS 1210 Cape Girardeau MO 63701 dsmith(a)midwest.net, dsmith(a)alpha.c2.org, PGP 0x961D2B09 (573)339-3814 http://www.midwest.net/scribers/dsmith/ "Reality is only for those lacking in true imagination."

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Re: Remailers not heard from; info?
by Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I think it would be better to use some commands indicating the start and end of the messages... ::begin-body [message goes here] ::end-body - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSke8ioZzwIn1bdtAQEQBgGAq91bmP74lyy4PIiTrZmYkg3zDBbt3Ke/ fLcVQNmXFZuYR5s5FkfX9DKLmY3Vkg1v =jI5z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailers not heard from; info?
by Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The c2 remailers always bounce from full disks for the last couple of months when I've tried to use them. I've had problems with amnesia as well. I've noticed some that allegedly allow replacement of subject do not. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSkeaSoZzwIn1bdtAQF1YAF8DQDN1BnrJ0DU5Vp3Ac9Z8id91UGurocG kAyHUUEnMXD2eFa1K4PPI+VCrFQBFKgs =pC+m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailers not heard from; info?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:41 PM 2/19/96, Alex Strasheim wrote: > >o Depending on a remailer to strip your sig doesn't give you security wrt >the remailer operator. If you use encryption, the last remailer on the >chain will see your sig, which will be in the innermost encrypted block. >That defeats the purpose of chaining. If you're not using encryption, you >don't have any security anyay. Exactly. Further, in an earlier message Bruce Baugh asked why some remailers did not more promptly remail their messages. Bruce, you need to look at Raph Levien's statistics on remailers, inclduding batching/latency: rapid responses tend to defeat the traffic analysis features of remailers! Also, preserving subject lines through remailings, another feature Bruce is requesting, is kind of like barium-tagging one's messages! Why use remailer chains if the messages are tagged all the way through? (There are wrinkles that work, such as adding a subject line based on stuff stored inside the encrypted block a remailer opens for furhter processing. The nth remailer can add a suject line that may be different for every hop, or only added near or at the end of the remailings...) Those who want more "user-friendly" remailer features would do well to think about what the properties of an "ideal mix" are. >A better solution might be a specialized remailer that strips sigs for >people who need the service. People who need sig stripping could put >that remailer in the chain, and the rest of us could handle our sigs on >our own. And for "casual-grade remailing," where no encryption is used and where minimal other mix features are used, there are Web pages that will send simple messages through a user-selectable remailer (http://www.c2.org:80/remail/by-www.html) This Web remailer will _not_ automatically add a .sig, as it is not a mail program per se, and the only text that is remailed is what is entered into the on-screen window. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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SOTP = Snake Oil Time Pad
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:53 PM 2/19/96, Mike McNally wrote: >IPG Sales writes: > > For short messages, a true OTP is used directly. > >Quick question: does anybody at IPG know what the "O" in "OTP" stands >for? I think it is "O for Oil," as in Snake Oil. The view of some seems to be "We're selling Internet Security products because that's where the money and the suckers are, and anything with "Internet" and "Security" in it will mean a quick couple of million when we take our company public." --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Optical repeaters
by droelke＠rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > > Optical > > > repeaters have to pass your signal through an intermediate electronic > > > stage anyway, since we have no purely optical valve/transistor > > > equivalents (bosons don't interact with each other at all). > > Dave Emery responds: > > This is not true. There is now a whole technology of optical > > amplifiers for fiber communications systems that used Ettrium doped > > fibers pumped with strong light from a laser at a slightly shorter > > wavelength. These fiber optical amplifiers have gains in the order of > > 10-12 db in a section of special doped fiber only about 10 feet long. > > You're right, I do remember reading about these somewhere... didn't > realize they were already in use. Optical amplifiers - they are in use all right. Want to buy one? My employer sells them. (get out a big checkbook though - gotta cover my salary ;-) > Even so, I still don't think such a repeater would pass quantum-crypto > signals, excepting any photons that happened to just "leak" directly > through. Your useful quantum state information resides in the > individual photons originally sent, and any even the optical repeaters > you describe achieve gain by by gating in *more* photons under the > incoming signal's control. In so doing it will collapse the > wavefunctions of these incoming photons. > > Not to say repeaters on the line aren't possible, but they'll have to > decode your data using a copy of the "secret" key, then re-encode for > transmission... so this will be a potential break-in point and need > good physical security. This is essentially true for the purpose of quantum-crypto. The cascade of phontons triggered from the incoming photons would mask most of your original phontons - necesitating a secure "repeater". > > The current generation of undersea cables from the US to Europe > > use these amplifiers instead of the more traditional regenerating > > repeaters that convert the light to electronic signals, reclock the data > > stream and convert it back to light with another laser diode. There is > > no conversion from light to digital electronic signals all the way from > > Rhode Island to England - the same light pulses that go into the fiber > > on one side of the Atlantic come out on the other end without ever > > having been converted to electronic form in between. > > You said power for the amps comes from a high-intensity, > shorter-wavelength beam... can this be superimposed on the original > signal at the point of origin, as with in-line coax-cable amplifiers? Power for the amps must be electrical. So, a seperate power cable must be run seperate with the optical-fiber. This normally isn't a problem since the casing/etc of the fibers has lots of metal for protection anyways. > > These amplfiers have enourmous bandwidth, and can be used to > > amplify several slightly different wavelengths of light allowing > > wavelength division multiplexing of multiple streams of light flashes of > > slightly different "colors" (all the current technology works at around > > 1500 nm which is well into the infrared). This can expand the capacity > > of a single fiber to four to six times the 5 Gb/sec that is the current > > state of the art. > > Nice... :) > Very nice! ;-) Flouride based amplifiers should be able to handle up to 16 channels. Using state of the art time-multiplex stuff of 10 Gb/sec gives a total throughput of 160 Gb/Sec.... smoking! Of course the parts for all of this will set you pack a sizeable chunk of change. If you want to see some further reading about optical amplifiers as applied in a telephone network - find a copy of "Telephony" a trade rag. There is an article by John Moss and ??? here at Alcatel that explains stuff in high level terms. (little to no physics stuff) Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Oelke Alcatel Network Systems droelke(a)aud.alcatel.com Richardson, TX

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