December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Chain Letter to Congress, TOO!
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

They oughta send it to the congress servers while they are at it. Liked the mailto: tag on the mail Netscrape and Eudora support it. Love Always, Carol Anne -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is my public PGP key. Signed and certified! Love Always, Carol Anne - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAy/ZOrAAAAEEANDo2ZIACDkf8irWB0Pi8UhcBts8hlhPguUputkwXfabtqpo PziaSrj0/qpd+SfjjKyjC4l0TPfc8wrEHbGfNdwbMCmugBgVfaw8SBZnV7J0NxYC GWt819ZZHhgM5+b+MjjY7DftHv6WDuo5ag0aMBW3FuDyDvaVRIrpjEWs1wBlAAUT tBxjYWI4IDxjYXJvbGFubkBjZW5zb3JlZC5vcmc+ =8ToJ - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Uncensored from heavily.censored.org iQCVAwUBMSmN0YrpjEWs1wBlAQFLTAQAjt6NhN0GFNNLUhkVaho6pcUi+VKP1Kw8 8m7Wwyhk4baS25m2wumyeoCxIKQz2nP6pT2EwbNJXmig+g/CeMxuqlInGmSBKeuZ evpGgc8q5rZVdnLW2q8dCyoe/uALcPa1K9WpBB030Mka8Gq/9Lc8Y7WtJ09Cnwrw w7YE0N/X594= =5puG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NSA agent arrested
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:51 PM 2/23/96, Mike Tighe wrote: >Yeah, I got his name but was not sure of the spelling. Robert Steven >something. Lives in Millersville, PA. I think he is retired. Looks like a >victim of the cozying relationship between the FBI and the KGB-whatever >they call themselves nowadays. Lipka. Details are in the usual news sources, such as Reuters (http://www.excite.com/Bulletin/) under Net Directory in Netscape. No CP relevance that I can see, except that Lipka didn't use remailers to protect his identity when he tried to reestablish contact with the Soviets ()who were actually FBI). Lipka was a low-level 20-year-old when he worked for the Army, probably assigned to the Army Security Agency (considered part of the NSA). --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: TIS--Building in Big Brother for a Better Tommorrow
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:16 PM 2/22/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >And we should all remember, again, that basic observation: even if "key >escrow" is needed to recover *stored* files, it sure ain't needed for >*communications*!! If a key is being generated for two way communications, then it should be generated via a protocol like Diffie-Hellman which leaves no recoverable knowlege of the key outside the participants, and discarded when the session is over of frequently, whichever occurs more often. This procedure will reduce the incentive for rubber hose attacks to recover these keys. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: url
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:23 AM 2/23/96 -0500, Mutant Rob wrote: >Bill Frantz wrote: >> >> At 2:52 PM 2/22/96 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> >Mike McNally writes: >> >> At <URL:http://www.osf.org/~loverso/javascript/track-me.html> find >> >> some interesting "surveillance" applications of Javascript.[..] >> >When is the patch to let you disable JavaScript inside Netscape going >> >to go out? Its more than time. >> >> Why Perry, it's called Netscape 1.1N. :-) > >I think the Options menu in Netscape allows you to disable it already. You can disable Java but not Javascript via the security options. --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "I, Caligula Clinton... In the name of the Senate and the people of Rome!" - Bill Clinton signing the CDA with the First Amendment bent over.

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Re: IBM Breakthrough?
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:03 2/21/96, Mike Duvos wrote: >Now this has some interesting implications. One of the problems >with teleportation devices in Science Fiction stories is that >they allow for the creation of duplicates. They reduce an object >to a pattern by measuring it, and then recreate it at a distance >by assembling atoms of the same types according to the >appropriate directions. There is no theoretical reason why, once >the pattern has been saved, this process could not be repeated >multiple times. This has implications for things like souls and >self-awareness that many people would rather not think about. Its been used in an SF Story/Series <g>. It is the Venus Equilateral Series by George O. Smith. Midway into the Series, they invent a method of doing Teleportation via destruction of the original item, sending the info to the receiver, and recreating the object. In the process of a Court Case involving if the transmission of the signal between the two Teleportation Devices was a transmission of Energy (which was the province of the other party in the case) or a transmission of Data (which was VE's job), they had to invent a Duplicator (in the process allowing the non-destructive readout of the transmission signal). It gets vary hairy for a story or two until Civilization gets adjusted to the Duplicator (they have to invent something that can not be scanned and thus duplicated to act as "Paper" for Money and Contracts/etc since the bottom fell out of the Economy due to no need for most Factories and the lack of uncounterfeitible currency).

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Re: Secure Mail (Was: IMC resolving security workshop)
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:47 AM 2/23/96 +0000, P.J. Ponder wrote: >ObSecureMail: I got the beta Pronto secure mail, but haven't had tome to >fool with it yet, then I got a mesage about a bad key or something. >What's up with that? My experience so far has not been very positive. I have tried both of the betas on Win95. Neither of the betas have been able to get past the "Synchronising keys" section of the setup. The program just keeps accessing my public keyring for almost 30 mins before it returns a cryptic error 111. What I have seen of it, I am not very happy with some of the design choices. You should be able to tell it the hex id of the key that you want to use with the mailer. Nope! It tries to find what it thinks the key should be based on your e-mail address. Since I have two keys under that address, there is a wee bit of a problem. I have tried generating a new one as well, and i still get the problems with the key sync. (As in it not completing and ending with an obscure error message.) So far, my last message to the beta address has gone unanswered on this problem. I would like to test it further, but getting that far has not been very easy at this stage of the development. Not a hopeful sign. --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "I, Caligula Clinton... In the name of the Senate and the people of Rome!" - Bill Clinton signing the CDA with the First Amendment bent over.

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Re: url
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:52 PM 2/22/96 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Mike McNally writes: >> At <URL:http://www.osf.org/~loverso/javascript/track-me.html> find >> some interesting "surveillance" applications of Javascript. > >Okay. We have some netscape people here on this list. > >When is the patch to let you disable JavaScript inside Netscape going >to go out? Its more than time. Why Perry, it's called Netscape 1.1N. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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No Subject
by mixmaster＠obscura.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IPG Sales <ipgsales(a)cyberstation.net> wrote: > >We fess up - we are pig farmers from TexasL, we never have been to >these high fluting things you call schools, so we do not even >know what you are talking about, much less anything about Cryptography. This explains your spelling skills, which a number of people have already pointed out. TexasL, whatever it is, might offer something called a highschool "GED." You should look into it. >On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Arley Carter wrote: > >> On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, IPG Sales wrote: >> >> Fess up guys. You are either: >> >> 1. A team of undergrads or graduate students conducting an "exploit". My money's on this one, I hear that Ann Landers gets these all the time. >> 2. A Detweiller tentacle. Dr. FC ? "Vlad" does seem a bit low on his medication, lately. Dr. Fred has been pretty quiet as well. You don't suppose the two of them got together... >> 3. The return of Alice D'nonymous ? Gawd! Please, don't give him any ideas!! >> 4. The reason the coderpunks lists was started. Possibly, but did you notice how quickly "IPG Sales" found this list? >> >> > <huge blank space elided>

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Let the Snake Oil Flow
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There have been several purveyors of (potential) snake oil here. Predictably, critics have been drawn into "trying to break" these allegedly strong systems. Some of the purveyors are even saying things like [paraphrased, but with charming misspellings emulated]: "See, even the smarty-pants Cyphurpunks are unabble to brake ouir system! Our virtuel one-time pad, which converts 10 randumly picked bits into 1000 or 10,000 or even a bazillion!, by our patented processo of "entropy enhancemate," has defeated even immacarthy and metzger. Our system rulez!" And so it goes.... Predictably, others are asking/expecting "the Cypherpunks" to break their systems. Just as predictably, many of us are patiently (and impatiently) explaining that breakages cost money and resources. And so the "developers" gleefully respond that this proves the "Cyperpunks" [sic] are helpless before their software. Well, it seems to me that letting some real snake oil out there could be a Good Thing. Being the Neo-Calvinist Darwinist that I am, I set that anyone who puts valuable information into "PowerPads" and "Stream-of-Consciousness Ciphers" pretty much deserves what he or she gets. I am not losing any sleep that Snake Oil Enterprises is hyping a conceptually flawed system. A few highly publicized failures could be educational, and ultimately help to strengthen the Net. You don't get better bridges without some highly-visible bridge collapses. Raises consumer awareness of what good design really is. Personally, I'm much more worried about the behind-the-scenes goings on with key escrow, the pressures being applied to Netscape, Lotus, Microsoft, TIS, etc., than I am in Yet Another Clueless Crypto Product (tm). --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IPG Sales <ipgsales(a)cyberstation.net> wrote: Suggestion: wait a week until the flames on the c'punks list die down. Have the techie folks there read all of them, think about them, and come up with a coherent and well written reply that addresses all of those issues. Much easier to deal with than attacks from several dozen directions all of the time. > Your point is well > taken and greatly appreciated; in make a hasty reply to but has nothing > to do with anything because at the time I > composed that, I was trying to be vague in a deliberate of > obscrurantism,because Derek, alone amoung you seem to understand what was > going on - and I made a stupid bluder - I can do nothing about > that except to apologize, admit it freely and take my medicne from > Perry and the others - > > I can assure you that the quoted three > lines are not a part of the algorithms, and have never been. I > hope that you will forgive me for such a stupid blunder. I hope that > such stupidity on my part does not close your mind to even looking at > actual algorithms - the question is to determine justice being > vague, and trying to decide to what to do about releasing the algorithms - > Rob. --- Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) to <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> for a copy of my PGP key.

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