December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Massey, CEO of Compuserve, on Internet
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow! I am watching the CEO of Compuserve being interviewed on CNBC, explaining how his company is "taking the high road by complying with the laws of Germany" in removing access to 200 Usenet groups. So, what happens with Saudi Arabia announces that Christian and Jewish newsgroups violate their laws (I don't know this for sure, but I know that Jewish and Christian temples and churches are strictly verboten in Saudi Arabia). And, think of the many countries which ban homosexuality, and so on. An amazing cave. Massey seems to think that all of the other large ISPs will fall in line and remove "illegal" newsgroups (illegal in any country in which they have account holders). I wrote a longer post on the issues last night, so I won't repeat those points. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Housewarming/birthday party
by lstewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You're invited to celebrate Laura and Bill's New Home Bill's Birthday and anything else you'd like to celebrate! Date: Saturday, January 13 Time: 5:00pm (or whenever) Putative location: 2040 Rock Ave. #22, Mountain View, CA RSVP (acceptances): lstewart(a)prisminc.com, or Laura Stewart at work: 408-744-3359. What to bring: If you RSVP by Jan 12, don't bring anything! We'll provide something resembling dinner. If you don't RSVP, bring food or drink. You are welcome to bring your family or other guests, but please do not forward this invitation to other mail lists. Smoking is prohibited, laptop computers tolerated, board games warmly encouraged. How to get there (all directions are written as if 101 really went north and south): HOW TO FIND THE APARTMENT The address is 2040 W. Middlefield #22, but ignore that fact. It is much easier to find if you firmly believe that the address is 2040 Rock Ave. #22. From the corner of Rock & Rengstorff, follow the big lighted "2040" numbers along Rock. Just after the second driveway on Rock you will find a walkway into the complex...follow the walkway to #19, then climb the stairs to #22. HOW TO FIND THE CORNER OF ROCK & RENGSTORFF Cypherpunks: From La Castena (the burrito place), just go one block "west" on Rengstorff. From Highway 101 southbound: Take Rengstorff exit, which makes a 180-degree loop. Turn left onto Rengstorff westbound (away from the bay, toward the ocean). One block after Old Middlefield (and one block before Middlefield), turn left on Rock Ave and park on Rock. See above to find the apartment. From Highway 101 northbound: Ignore the Middlefield exit. Take Rengstorff exit, which makes a 270-degree loop and merges onto Rengstorff westbound (away from the bay, toward the ocean). One block after Old Middlefield (and one block before Middlefield), turn left on Rock Ave. and park on Rock. See above to find the apartment. From 680 at Dunbarton exit: Taking the Dunbarton bridge to 101 is a few minutes faster, but it's easy to get lost between the bridge and 101. Unless you're familiar with the area, we recommend taking 680 to 237, west on 237 to 101, and north on 101 to the Rengstorff exit, which makes a 270-degree loop and merges onto Rengstorff westbound (away from the bay, toward the ocean). One block after Old Middlefield (and one block before Middlefield), turn left on Rock Ave. and park on Rock. See above to find the apartment. Further complications..er, clarifications: Rock Ave. and Rock St. are the same thing. Middlefield Road and Old Middlefield Road are two different things. Middlefield Rock Old Middlefield 101 ^ | | | | | | | | | "North" | | | | the | | | | bay Rengstorff----------------------------------------------------- | _______ | | | | [ 2 ]| |La | | [ 0 ]| |Castena | | [ 4 ]| | | | [ 0 ]| | | | [_______]| | | | #22 | | | | | | | | | | | Lost on the day of the party? Call us at home: 415-938-1697. The price of condo living: There is no guest parking in the complex, and the party must end by 10pm. Please help us get along with our new neighbors by respecting the condo rules. Thanks!

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CHU_chu Search Engines, Branded Communities
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

12-29-95. FinTimes: "Engine of the superhighway" muses on search engines and branded communities, and how their convergence will barb-wire lecher Tio Web from wild-legger Tia Juana. CHU_chu

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Re: Chinese Cypherpunk quote [NOISE]
by Corey Bridges 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:20 PM 12/29/95 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >The will of the people is the best law. Rrrr. Rrrrr... OKAY, I'm sure that's bait, but it's a (relatively) slow week here at Netscapegoat. (Besides, I've apparently already set a precedent for responding to tentacularly dangled carrots earlier this week with my response to the C'punk Seal question.) So I'm throwing better judgment to the wind and leaping straight for the soft pink throat of this taunt. To reply simply: Wrong -- the will of the people is as fickle as the wind. Follow the will of the people, and you run your country by following fads. Mob rule and all that. We're in deep trouble if we ever get a true democracy. Sorry. Just had to respond. -- MY opinions, thank you very much. Corey Bridges Netscape Communications Corporation home.netscape.com/people/corey Action figure #35: "Jeff Weinstein, with real asbestos suit and glow-in-the-dark magnetized target!"

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(no subject)
by HousePasley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Talk to me..my son has shoes...cypher this... mays out of maggots, go arial.

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Re: Is Dr Fred Cohen a Loon???
by Herb Sutter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:55 12.30.1995 -0600, Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin] wrote: >I am as unenvious of Mr. Cohen as I am of Bruce Schneier - and Bruce has a >lot more of my respect. Just because someone writes a "very innovative >thesis" on viruses doesn't mean they know diddly about anything else, >especially cryptography. Where is Fred's paper? I've got Bruce's book on >my shelf that I can read for myself and *that's* a classic in the field. In that case, look at the last two pages in "Applied Crypto - 2nd ed", where Wiley puts ads for related books. You'll find: - "E-Mail Security", also by Bruce Schneier - "Protection and Security on the Information Superhighway", by Frederick B. Cohen - "Digital Money", by Daniel Lynch and Leslie Lundquist I am neither attacking nor defending Fred Cohen; I don't know him from Adam, and haven't read his messages or his book. But since you asked for where you can find Cohen's published work, there's one answer (assuming it's the same Fred Cohen). Herb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Herb Sutter (herbs(a)connobj.com) Connected Object Solutions 2228 Urwin - Suite 102 voice 416-618-0184 http://www.connobj.com/ Oakville ON Canada L6L 2T2 fax 905-847-6019

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"Deterrence"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In the 1960's movie, "Dr. Strangelove," the title character defined "deterrence" as being "the art of making your enemies FEAR to attack you." As has been well-publicized recently, pressure from a German prosecutor had induced Compuserve to cease access to a number of sex-related Internet groups. Clearly, neither Compuserve nor its users nor the Internet community in general has demonstrated adequate DETERRENCE to him or people in his position. In my essay, "Assassination Politics," I pointed out that it would be relatively easy to deter such official-type actions if enough of us simply said, "NO!" and denominated it in terms of dollars and cents. After all, with four million Compuserve users, if they each were willing to donate a penny to see this latter-day Fuhrer dead, that would be $40,000. (Pardon me if I don't translate this into marks and other currencies.) In practice, of course, if such a system were in place, it is highly unlikely that he would have even dared try to put pressure on Compuserve, and Compuserve wouldn't have dared respond cooperatively to such outrageous influence. It is worth noting that if six million Jews had been willing to donate a dime each in 1932 to see Hitler and his cronies dead, much of the late thirties and forties would have ended up quite differently. Some may argue that today's situation isn't nearly as serious now as it was then, but then again, the situation probably didn't really look very serious in 1932, did it?!? WHEN, exactly, would it be appropriate to act?

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Internet wiretap?
by Joel McNamara 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This tidbit was posted a few hours ago on c|net (12/29 4:00 PST). Thanks to a wiretap on the Internet, three people have been arrested for illegally selling and manufacturing cellular phone equipment and electronic devices over the Internet, according to Secret Service agent Brian Gimlett. This is the first time the Secret Service and the Drug Enforcement Administration were allowed to wiretap via the Internet, says Gimlett. The rest of the story talks about an exchange of e-mail discussing the sale of various nasty cellular accessories. There is no information on exactly what "wiretap" means or any other technical details. Interesting to note the DEA was in on it. Crypto-relevance only if the perps were using a remailer (which I kind of doubt). Full story (quite short), at: http://www.cnet.com/Content/News/Files/0,16,326,00.html Joel

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http://www.gsa.gov/irms/ki/sipmo.htm
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As many of you probably already know, the US Postal Service is creating a national public-key infrastructure for individuals (I've never heard any mention of Corporate identities, not to say that there won't be any). A few weeks ago the General Services Agency of the US Gov't had an open working session of their Security Infrastructure Program Management Office (SIPMO). At that session they announced a pilot program for electronic filing of federal tax returns, using the USPS infrastructure. The URL in the subject line has not yet been updated to discuss the pilot; right now it is basically an overview of SIPMO. Anyone know more? /r$

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January meeting (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Please make the date Saturday January 6, not Sunday January 7. Forwarded message: > From ravage(a)ssz.com Fri Dec 29 22:41:13 1995 > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> > Message-Id: <199512300441.WAA01326@einstein> > Subject: January meeting > To: austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com (Austin Cypherpunks) > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 22:41:11 -0600 (CST) > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 373 > > > Hi all, > > Just a reminder that the next general meeting will be held on January 7, > 1996 from 6-8pm at the Central Market HEB on N. Lamar at 42nd. > > We will be discussing further issues related to the video and setting a > schedule of meetings and deadlines for various production points. > > Hope to see you folks there! > > Jim Choate > >

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