December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Net Papa: Global Internet Taxes Inevitable
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The other shoe just stepped on a banana peel... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:57:48 +0200 (MET DST) To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Net Papa: Global Internet Taxes Inevitable From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited X-001: Replay may or may not approve of the content of this posting X-002: Report misuse of this automated service to <abuse(a)replay.com> X-URL: http://www.replay.com/remailer/ Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) (09/09/97; 12:00 p.m. EDT) By Douglas Hayward, TechWire GENEVA -- Internet taxes are inevitable, according to the man dubbed the "Father of the Net." The only way to avoid global chaos is to create an international agreement on how to do it, added Vint Cerf at a meeting of the Internet Society here. Cerf co-developed the TCP/IP[LINK] protocol on which all Web and Net transaction depend. ...Taxation of the Internet, also called "bit taxes," must be well planned, Cerf said. "And it must also be thought through on a global scale -- not parochially," he said. In the United States. alone, there are 30,000 taxing authorities that might be interested in taxing transactions on the Internet, said Cerf, adding that right now, there is no way to determine which of those authorities should have jurisdiction over a particular transaction. ..."If something is becoming an infrastructure that is important for people's daily lives, then governments will have the right to be concerned about the public's safety and well-being," Cerf said. "When you build roads, you make rules about how people are to behave on these roads, in order to protect people." TW http://192.215.107.71/wire/news/1997/09/0909tax.html For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: House National Security committee guts SAFE, worse than no bill
by Syniker＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>Perhaps it's time to dare the Feds to prosecute you. Any volunteers?<< Me. Whatever anyone else does, I'm going to first... ignore any government mandates or law on crypto [use it anyway] then, challenge them... and finally, defy them. Period. That's where I'm at. And, I'm going to tell them that's what I'm going to do. On any website I can. Larry.

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Comdemnation of 'The Sovereign Individual'...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In the authors own words.... The Sovereign Individual Davidson & Rees-Mogg ISBN 0-684-81007-7 re: pp. 207 - 208 Chapter 8 The End of Egalitarian Economics The revolution in Earnings Capacity in a World Without Jobs Those who have employed compulsion and local advantage to redistribute income are destined to lose much of their power. This will alter the command of resources. Privately generated wealth that heretofore has been commandeered by the nation-state will be retained instead by those who earn it. Increasing amounts of wealth will find their way into the hands of the ablest entrepeneurs and venture capitalist worldwide. Globalization, along with other characteristics of the information economy, will tend to increase the income earned by the most talented individuals in each field. Because the marginal value generated by superlative performance will be so huge, the distribution of earnings capacity throughout the entire global economy will take much the shape it does now in the performance professions like athletics and opera. I don't know about you but I don't think the implicit assumption in the title about our current economic system qualifying as egalitarian is in any way realistic. Furthermore, it is seriously expected that the majority of people will survive by doing the equivalent of porno flicks to pay the bills while a handfull of people wield all the money, and hence the power in this system. Man, this sounds like zaibatsu heaven. How exactly is it better to take all those resources away from a government I have some control over irrespective of my socio-economic standing (further protecting my minority status) and give them to a system which tells me a priori that I have little hope of getting any realistic income increase irrespective of my effort level. While it will be true we will be living in a world without jobs it won't be the socio-fantasy of Star Trek but rather the simple fact that there are no jobs to be had. And to top it off, their going to tell me up front that I have no hope of support if something happens and I can't pay the fee for government intervention. We are further shocked to realize that the tried and true philanthrope won't be around because those sorts of resource uses are inefficient and will be quickly eradicated because of it. A call to the gas company, "I'm sorry Mr. Bilbo, we can't turn your service back on because of your not paying bills. If you wouldn't buy quite so much soup to feed those bums you might have the money to pay the bills." Yeah, take everything I got, take everything the person who might be motivated to help me has for trying to help me, and then tell me I don't have anything that I can do about it...woo woo, sounds like fun to me. It may come as a shock to you, but money is not the goal. The goal is your grandkids and the world they will live in. We pay taxes to pay the bills of the indigent not to let the mother sit around on her ass but rather to protect the innocent kids who don't have a say in it. Those kids deserve a chance, whether you as an individual believe in them or not, THAT is the cost of humanity. We are just stewards of this reality, the real owners are the generations to be born. Their the ones we have to explain ourselves to. Please review Santyana. While I strongly suggest reading the book because it has a lot of good individual ideas, the work taken as a whole is seriously flawed. Also, please remember; You are What you do When it counts -The Masao- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Mondex Broken
by ? the Attorney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 6:55 PM -0700 9/9/97, John Young wrote: > >We've received from anonymous a report on breaking > >Mondex's pilot system by TNO along with a confidential > >1996 memo describing the break: > .... > >Included is a letter from the Bank of New Zealand to > >Electronic Frontier Canada attempting to suppress > >publication of the memo. > You mean the way <elided> had lawyers send threatening letters to <elided> > warning him not to further publicize the claimed security flaws in > <elided>, the security product sold by <elided>? > I myself received a phone call from <elided>, warning me to not to even > make reference to the rumors that <elided> had flaws in it. > There's even a chance this vague note here will cause <elided> to again > contact me, warning me that even such <elisions> are not good enough for > them. Seize & Dee cyst. ? the Attorney

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Re: GAK patents, anyone?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >New patent applications are normally taken up for > >examination in the order of their effective United States > >filing date. However, the Commissioner may provide that a > >patent application will be advanced out of turn for > >examination if a petition to make the patent application > >special under 37 CFR 1.102(c) or (d) is granted. > > > >International terrorism as defined in 18 U.S.C. 2331 is > >"activities that > >(B) appear to be intended ... > >(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or > >coercion; I was just granted a copyright on all of Tim May's 'Nuke DC' posts. Every time he quotes them, he owes me a nickle. > >or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by > >assassination or kidnaping." > ... Jim Bell, too. God, I *love* this government. ? the lunatic p.s. - CypherPunks posts are now considered munitions under the secret laws that nobody knows about. Remember, ignorance of the secret laws is no excuse.

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Re: Bright, Loud and Quick OR...?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > At 09:20 AM 9/9/97 -0500, Frank wrote: > >>>> > Based on recent statements by "officials" of the former > Soviet Union a number of "suitcase" nukes are missing. > Possible sale price - $1,000,000. > <<<< > $1,000,000 per suitcase nuke seems way to cheap. Heck, at that price, > some individuals on this list might be in the market. What's the yield > of these suitcase nukes? > > BTW, any idea what the law has to say about private ownership of nukes > by US citizens? Assume for a moment that the actual device is kept > outside the US. They are legal to own, as long as you don't carry them concealed on your physical person. It is legal to keep them in a locked suitcase. Only two left. 10% discount for cypherpunks. Can drop-ship to destination of your choice for no extra charge. (I'll need the cash up front if you live in the DC area.) Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn

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Good forger, bad forger / Vin Suprynowicz Column, Sept. 12 Column, Sept. 12
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: House National Security committee guts SAFE, worse than no bill
by Seth Finkelstein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>At 2:17 PM -0700 9/9/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>It's time for advocates of crypto-freedom to turn obstructionist and >>oppose all legislation dealing with encryption. > From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> > And expect to accomplish what? Freedom from embarrassment? I don't consider the Digital Telephony debacle to have been lived down yet. I certainly don't have a lot of faith that the people who brought us that are going to do any better nowadays. I sense another dirty little deal is in the works, where we're told they didn't "support" it, but "it could have been worse". > To stick our heads in the sand now would just make it easier for the FBI to > roll right over us. We still need to fight the expected FBI key recovery OK. How about telling us how that's going to be done. And at what point will you start calling for megaphones and marches (metaphorically). If the answer is "never", well, I think that settles just how much of a factor you'll be. ================ Seth Finkelstein sethf(a)mit.edu

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Did someone say 'dare'?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > I was talking to someone after a law class this evening (we're covering > electronic privacy topics, but unfortunately we're not at crypto yet). He > suggested widespread civil disobedience. > Perhaps it's time to dare the Feds to prosecute you. Any volunteers? I took one step back, while Toto and a Well user to be named later just stood there, so it appears to me that they've volunteered. I am hereby daring Lying Fuck Freeh, Nazi Ratbastard Clinton, Child Murderer Reno, and Lying Nazi Cunt FineSwine to prosecute Toto and a Well user to be named later. Munitions-grade crypto has been sent to prohibited countries through two accounts in the last twenty-four hours, one in Canada, one in the U.S. (Hint: sk.sympatico.ca & well.com) (Double Hint: the one sent through the Sympatico account was sent _*before*_ the account was disabled last night while inept system spooks set up new monitoring processes on it.) (Double Extra Hint: the one sent through the Well account was not sent through the account of the person who warned Well security admins about a system intruder shortly *_after_* their wonderful little "we caught the system intruder and installed a newer, more secure system" intro appeared in their new, more secure login process.) (Triple Extra Hint: this message is being cc:'ed to Defcon McCull'em, as well as sent unencrypted through a single remailer, so that tracing its apparent source should not present a major problem.) (Cheap Shot: The Sympatico account is not now working because the admins fixed the problem. It is now working because _I_ fixed the problem.) (Double Cheap Shot: If Well security admins check the warning about their brand-spanking new intruder, which they wrote such a _rude_ reply to, saying that the writer was an idiot, they might notice that the header of the message contains an anagram for their system root password at the time.) (Triple Cheap Shot: Check the Return To: header being used with this originating message.) Please note that I am providing these hints in order that there may be a snowball's chance in hell that those who choose to do further investigation into my wild-eyed claims may be able to proceed without further fucking up the originating systems so badly that I have to spend my own valuable time fixing them. In order to facilitate the federal prosecution of Toto, I have used his writing style, grammer and syntax, complete with too fucking many commas, his normal margins and carriage returns, as well as his too predictable formatting of the quoted portion of the message being replied to. (Also using clues from his previous 'Anonymous' posts.) In order to hinder the federal prosecution of the Well user to be named later, I chose to illegally export the munitions-grade crypto through the account of someone who has an employer with deep pockets, and whose prosecution would undoubtedly result in a great amount of unwanted publicity. (Unwanted, because the government would fail to convict.) In order to piss on the perfectly polished jackboots itching to break down a few doors, I have placed all details of the illegal export of the munitions-grade encryption from Canada and the U.S. in a file on both computers, encrypted with _my_ public key. In order for the file to be read, once deciphered, it must be diff'ed with the file on Toto's personal computer containing the text of the federalist papers. In order to demonstrate the seriousness of this post, if the government schills (<-- note the spelling) who follow the list are too fucking lazy to check into my claims, or too fucking incomptent to confirm them, then I would be more than happy to, in two weeks time, send two futher illegal communications via the same routes, to the CypherPunks (<--sp?) list, upon request by a verifiable government law enforcement agent or agency in a post to the list. Failure of the federal government to take successful action in investigation and prosecution of the illegal activities herein admitted, will be taken as a sign that the Lying Nazi Ratfuckers who comprise the Government and LEA's are weak, spineless pieces of shit who are capable only of using threats and violence to herd meek sheeple into unconstitutional imprisonment of their freedoms, rights, and liberty. i.e. Gutless fucks. ~~~~~ !Toto ~~~~~ "It's !forgery until *I* say it's forgery!" "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn

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