December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Encrypting same data with many keys...
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What are the dangers of taking a small block of data - say upto 1K in size, then producing many files, each being the same data encrypted by other keys? i.e.: Plain data: 1K in size or smaller File 1: Data encrypted with Key1 File 2: Data encrypted with Key2 File 3: Data encrypted with Key3 File 4: Data encrypted with Key4 File 5: Data encrypted with Key5 File 6: Data encrypted with Key6 File 8: Data encrypted with Key8 .... File N: Data encrypted with KeyN A known plaintext attack won't help you to break the keys unless you have one of the eight keys, but will having many keys that encrypt the same data significanltly weaken the security of that tiny chunk of data? And no, I don't mean, there's N keys so the odds of brute forcing the data is now N times easier. Assume we're using 128 bit Blowfish/Idea or better, and discarding weak keys. Are there any differential or other cryptanalysis methods to use the eight resulting cyphertexts to get at the data other than brute forcing it if you don't know any of the keys? What if instead of using a private key cypher, we used a public key cypher? Would that make any difference in attack methods? The data won't contain any text, or identifiers (i.e "GIF89" in GIF files, "MZ" in wintel executables, etc...) known or guessable to the attacker... =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ==========================

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DCSB: Elliptic Curve Cryptography and Digital Commerce
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: rah(a)mail.shipwright.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:13:20 -0400 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: DCSB: Elliptic Curve Cryptography and Digital Commerce Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- <My mistake. The correct payment deadline for this event is August 30, as noted below... --RAH> The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Dr. Christof Paar Cryptography and Data Security Group, Worcester Polytechnic Institute Elliptic Curve Cryptography and Digital Commerce Tuesday, September 2, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Elliptic Curve (EC) public-key cryptosystems have matured from an area of mainly theoretical interest to a highly practical security tool. EC are a general-purpose public-key scheme which can provide tasks such as digital signature, key establishment, and encryption. EC are extremely attractive because the required operand length is dramatically reduced compared to RSA and DSA-type algorithms: The security of an RSA system with 1024 bits corresponds to the security of an EC system with only 160 bits. This can result in considerably faster processing times, e.g., for digital signature verification, and shorter certificates. One application area of special interest are smart cards. This talk will give a brief, non-technical introduction to EC system. Current security estimations relatively to RSA will be provided. We will talk about performance and the adoption of EC systems in standard bodies. Christof Paar leads the Cryptography and Data Security group in the ECE department of Worcester Polytechnic Institute. Dr. Paar's research interests include security issues in wireless and ATM networks, smart cards, efficient implementation of elliptic and hyperelliptic curve public-key algorithms, and hardware implementation of cryptosystems. Dr. Christof Paar received a BSEE degree from the Technical College of Cologne, Germany. He obtained an MSEE degree from the University of Siegen, Germany, and did graduate research at Michigan Technological University. From 1991-1994 he worked as research fellow at the Institute for Experimental Mathematics in Essen, Germany, from where he received a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering. In 1993 and '94 he spent time as a visiting researcher at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, September 2, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $30.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We will attempt to record this meeting and put it on the web in RealAudio format at some future date We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, August 30, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $30.00. If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: October Peter Cassidy Military Fiat and Digital Commerce November Carl Ellison Identity and Certification for Electronic Commerce We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com> . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! 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by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Feds Seek PKI Bids
by A. Padgett Peterson P.E. Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>USG published a solicitation today in the CBD for a >Public Key Infrastructure which outlines the system >requirements: > http://jya.com/pkicbd.htm Interesting from what is *not* there - any mention of key recovery/key escow. Looks like they may finally understand what a Certificate Authority is (not holding breath). Do not think much of appelations (Classic & Gold) and suspect they may need more than two but sounds like a good start. Warmly, Padgett

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The slippery slope
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Justice Brennan and the slippery slope by Joseph Sobran The legacy of William Brennan, who died last week at 91, is summed up in the phrase "judicial activism." In an editorial eulogy, The New York Times praised him for his belief that "the Constitution was a living document that could and should be interpreted aggressively," as opposed to "the narrow, static doctrine of original intent, the notion that the Constitution can best be interpreted through the eyes of the Framers." Brennan himself attacked the idea of seeking the Framers' original intent as "arrogance in the cloak of humility." Apparently his own notion of humility was satisfied by giving the Constitution meanings nobody had ever suspected it of containing. Or, as he put it, the "genius" of the Constitution lay in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and needs." In plain language, Brennan imposed his own liberal agenda and said it was the Constitution speaking. He was ofton able to muster majorities on the Supreme Court to join him in this judicial ventriloquism. But even when his goals were worthy, his methods were despotic. In landmark opinions, Brennan held that the Constitution forbids the states to apportion their legislatures in their own ways, to define libel as they see fit, to cut off welfare benefits without a hearing, to ban the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried people, and to require public schools to balance the teaching of evolution with the teaching of theistic doctrines of creation; he also concurred in rulings forbidding the states to ban abortion and to execute criminals. Maybe Brennan knew how the states should have been governed better than the people of the states did. His various positions can be argued as matters of policy. But it was dishonest for him and his admirers to pretend that these positions were constitutional imperatives. And that pretense has done serious damage to the rule of law. Ideologically predictable, Brennan made the law itself unpredictable. In pursuit of his own agenda, he overturned settled understandings and ignored the clear language of the Constitution. His most important rulings usurped the powers constitutionally reserved to the states and the people thereby enlarging - unconstitutionally - the powers of the federal judiciary. Interpreting the Constitution, Brennan once said, "demands of judges more than proficiency in logical analysis." Maybe so, but it does demand such proficiency above all other things, and to disparage reason is to abandon the quest for stable law. Under jurists like Brennan, we are back where we started: subject to the arbitrary will of men rather than the irnpersonal rule of law. True, the states are often badly governed. On many specific issues they might have been better ruled by a William Brennan armed with dictatorial powers than they were hy their own legislatures, if results are everything and procedure doesn't matter. But there can be no shortcuts through the Constitution. The individual rights Brennan cherished are often abused. Is that an argument for ignoring them even when they are enshrined in law? Liberals insist that banning pornography is a slippery slope to thought control. But allowing a government to claim powere never granted to it, a habit now virtually synonymous with liberalism, is far more surely a slippery slope to tyranny. After all, every totalitarian state says it is merely trying to "cope with current problems and needs" when it dispenses with the inconvenience of the rule of law. The test of an honest jurist is whether he is willing to rule against his own preferences, deferring, however reluctantly, to what the law requires in the case at hand. The law may be wrong the legislature may be derelict, the people may be corrupt; but still, the law is the law and it must be honored. But Brennan's rulings were the triumph of preference over deference. He ruled without the normal regrets of a justice who sometimes feels compelled to put the law ahead of his personal desires. For him, as for many of his generation, the office of Supreme Court justice was an irresistible opportunity to wield power in the guise of interpreting the law.

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Re: Masons and Fnords
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Duvos <enoch(a)zipcon.net> writes: At 2:00 AM -0700 8/9/97, David D.W. Downey wrote: >To show how much this country *was* in fact based upon Christianity, >one has only to look at our money. "In *God* we trust. That slogan was added only fairly recently - I think in the 30's. The reverse of the Great Seal (the pyramid) has been on the dollar bill only since the Roosevelt administration, and was almost unknown to the average citizen before that. > Tim May writes: > > > Actually, _all_ of the Founders were Masons. Tim Bob says check it out. > > Correct. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and others were Deists, and > Masons, and would have laughed hysterically at the absurd notion of the > divinity of Jesus Christ. Nope. While many of the Founders were Masons, by no means all were. In particular, there is no evidence that Jefferson was ever a member. Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> writes: >Well, Unitarians like to claim Jefferson, because of a nice letter he >wrote to Joseph Priestly. Of course, we like to claim *all* the cool >people... The Masons are guilty there too... try reading the entry on Freemasonry on Bierce's "The Devil's Dictionary". John Young wrote: >Tim May wrote: >>--Tim May, 34th Degree Mason, former resident of Alexandria, home of >>the Masonic Temple. Tim is engaging in his traditional hyperbola here - I can assure you that he is NOT 34th degree, and I strongly doubt that he is a Mason of any shape or form. But: >Now this is modest understatement with regard to this MT, the Godzilla >of Masonic Temples, worth a side trip from the Capital of the Freeh >World. You won't believe your eyes at this pyramid scheme putting the >originals at Giza to shame. >That over-reaching Alexandria Masonic Temple is matched only by the >Mormon in Utah and the Buddhist in W.VA and St. Peters and Angor Wat >and ... Billy Gates' Xanadu. Aside from a nit (it's not a temple, but rather a memorial: "The George Washington Masonic National Memorial" to be exact), this is largely correct. It's a really grand, funky piece of architecture, and open to the public, with free guided tours. Over 300 feet tall, and on the highest point in Alexandria, it has a *very* impressive view from the top, taking in all of DC and miles around. There's a website at http://www.georgewashington.org. It overhypes the site's importance to Masonry, but gives you some views of the exterior and interior. If you're in the area with a couple hours to kill, it's definitely worth a visit (it's only a few minutes from National Airport). Don't miss the bookshop/souveneir stand. Those in the Silicon Valley area might also want to visit the Rosicrucian Museum in San Jose, a similarly funky building, belonging to an unrelated group. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Dr. McVeigh / Re: A peculiar notion
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David D.W. Downey wrote: > Steve Schear wrote: > > In short, the Constitution itself was a casualty of >Lincoln's war. A Pyrrhic victory indeed. > > > For the first time in a long time, I've read a post that actually make > me seriously consider rethinking what I have been taught. I've studied > quite a bit in regards to US law and the Consitution, (made necessary by > my being Pro-PGP), and never looked in that direction. Your post adds a > very different light to things. > Thank you for the push. I also thought that it was one of the more thought-provoking posts in a while, but I would certainly never send a polite, thankful post to the list, saying so. My "CypherPissing" mail folder turned out to be genetically related to the plant in "Little Shop of Horrors" and, the larger it gets, the more it demands to be fed. In order to provide it with enough of the sewage-supplement it needs to keep from eating my "cat" command, I may have to send a post to the list praising Sandy Sandfort, Chris Lewis, and blessing Armenians everywhere. (I have tried remailing old ASCII-art spams to myself, but it refuses to eat left-overs.) (Perhaps I can get my "CypherPissing" folder a few snacks to munch on, in the meantime, by seeing if praising Tim McVeigh is still good enough bait to get a few nibbles. "Suckers" taste pretty good, if you "smoke" 'em.) Anyway... There are some concepts and arguments that "chip away" at an assumed belief or a train of logic, and there are those that knock down a load- bearing support column. The Joseph Sobran piece which Steve posted to the list could, with a proper "primer," do the kind of damage to our view of Civil War history as the OKC bomb did to the Murrah Federal Building. Come to think of it, maybe McVeigh _was_ the primer for explosive new views of why Federalism is quickly becoming indistinguishable from Fascism. The advantage that literature has over black powder is that it is reusable and doesn't leave as big a mess to clean up. The advantage that black powder has over literature is that it makes enough noise to get the message to the blind, as well, and sometimes even restores the sight of the blind. {Warning: Since the side-effects of Black Powder can be substantial, it should only be used in cases where the physician has determined that the benefits of "treatment" outweigh the risks. Dr. McVeigh's surgery in OKC falls into the category of private research (even if he did receive some government funding). However, follow-up research by others may lead to McVeigh's technique being improved and perhaps gaining enough recognition to make it standard paramedical procedure.} TruthMonger

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Fw: slow network behavior with Linux kernel 2.0.x
by Dave Ross 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can any of you help us with this mess? Linux is not my strong suit. Thanks! My engineer is pulling his hair out. I would appreciate any suggestions anyone could make. -dave ross davros(a)raf.com ---------- > From: Bruce Thompson <bt(a)raf.com> > To: davros@fred > Subject: Fw: slow network behavior with kernel 2.0.x > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 12:18 AM > > > > ---------- > | From: Bruce Thompson <bt(a)raf.com> > | To: linux-kernel(a)vger.rutgers.edu > | Cc: linux-net(a)vger.rutgers.edu > | Subject: slow network behavior with kernel 2.0.x > | Date: Thursday, July 31, 1997 4:40 PM > | > | > | My company developes a psuedo real-time client-server system that runs on > | linux connected through TCP sockets. I have been noticing it has been > | taking the data packets quite a while to reach the clients from the > server. > | After trying several different ethernet cards and speeds (TP vs > thinnet,10 > | vs 100), I have determined that the slow down only occures when the > server > | is running with a linux 2.0.x kernel (I have not tried 2.1.x). Any > system > | running up to 1.3.89 runs fine at full speed. I have not yet tested any > | kernel between 1.3.89 and 2.0.0 > | > | From looking at tcpdumps, it appears that packets are not getting acked > in > | a timely way. I have turned off the 'delayed ack' feature of TCP and > have > | not seen any improvement. Here are some tcpdumps > | > | > | Example of what I would expect to be normal. > | 10:42:17.70 server > client: . 1:1461(1460) ack 98 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:17.70 server > client: . 1461:2921(1460) ack 98 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:17.71 client > server: . ack 2921 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:17.71 server > client: . 2921:4381(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:42:17.71 server > client: . 4381:5841(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:42:17.71 server > client: . 5841:7301(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:42:17.72 client > server: . ack 7301 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:17.72 server > client: P 7301:8760(1459) ack 98 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:17.74 client > server: . ack 8760 win 31744 (DF) > | > | Example of time lost with no ack of the first packet causing a 200ms > delay, > | and two acks that cause waits of 40ms and 70ms. > | > | 10:42:22.17 server > client: . 8760:10220(1460) ack 1222 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.37 server > client: . 8760:10220(1460) ack 1222 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.37 client > server: . ack 10220 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.37 server > client: . 10220:11680(1460) ack 1222 win 31744 > | 10:42:22.51 client > server: . ack 11680 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.51 server > client: . 11680:13140(1460) ack 1222 win 31744 > | 10:42:22.51 server > client: . 13140:14600(1460) ack 1222 win 31744 > | 10:42:22.52 client > server: . ack 14600 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.52 server > client: . 14600:16060(1460) ack 1222 win 31744 > | 10:42:22.59 client > server: . ack 16060 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.59 server > client: P 16060:17519(1459) ack 1222 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:42:22.61 client > server: . ack 17519 win 31744 (DF) > | > | Here is a particularly bad example where the same 8760 byte file took 1.7 > | seconds to be transfered. > | > | 10:17:14.95 server > client: . 1:1461(1460) ack 98 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:15.14 client > server: . ack 1461 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:15.14 server > client: . 1461:2921(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:17:15.14 server > client: . 2921:4381(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:17:15.44 client > server: . ack 2921 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:15.44 server > client: . 4381:5841(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:17:15.45 client > server: . ack 2921 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:15.64 client > server: . ack 2921 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:16.08 server > client: . 2921:4381(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:17:16.27 client > server: . ack 5841 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:16.27 server > client: . 5841:7301(1460) ack 98 win 31744 > | 10:17:16.57 client > server: . ack 7301 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:16.57 server > client: P 7301:8760(1459) ack 98 win 31744 (DF) > | 10:17:16.59 client > server: . ack 8760 win 31744 (DF) > | > | In general, the system just seems to be slow in responding to this > network > | traffic. This is a private network for these systems so there should be > | now problem with other traffic affecting these timings. With 1.3.x I see > | total transit times on the order of 30ms on the 10Mbps network. > | > | The same hardware that runs slowly with 2.0.x will run quickly with only > | the kernel changed. > | > | Any ideas as to what could be causing this? > | > | > | Thanks, > | ------------------------- > | Bruce Thompson > | RAF Technology > | (206) 867-0700 > | > |

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