December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Where to get the latest Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) FAQ
by Michael Paul Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- WHERE TO GET THE PRETTY GOOD PRIVACY PROGRAM (PGP) (Last modified: 13 June 1994 by Mike Johnson) WHAT IS THE LATEST VERSION? There is more than one latest version. Pick one or more of the following that best suits your computer, patent restrictions, and export restrictions. Some countries (like France) may also restrict import or even use of strong cryptography like PGP. |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Platform(s) | Countries | Allowed Use | Latest Version | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | DOS, Unix, | USA & Canada | Commercial | Viacrypt PGP 2.7 | | or WinCIM/CSNav | | Personal | | | | | Research | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | DOS, Unix, Mac, | USA & Canada | Personal | MIT PGP 2.6 | | OS/2, others | | Research | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | DOS, Unix, Mac, | Most of the | Personal | PGP 2.6ui | | OS/2, others | world except | Research | | | | the USA. | | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Mac Applescript | Most of the | Personal | MacPGP 2.6ui v 1.2 | | | world except | Research | | | | the USA. | | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Mac Applescript | USA | Research | MacPGP 2.6ui v 1.2 | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Amiga | Most of the | Personal | Amiga PGP 2.6 b0.6 | | | world except | Research | | | | the USA. | | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Amiga | USA | Personal | Amiga PGP 2.6 0b0.6 | | | | Research | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Atari | Most of the | Personal | Atari PGP 2.3a | | | world except | Research | | | | the USA. | | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Atari | USA | Research | Atari PGP 2.3a | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| | Any of the | Countries | Commercial | Any of the above | | above | where IDEA | Personal | | | | is not | Research | | | | patented and | | | | | cryptography | | | | | is not | | | | | restricted. | | | |-----------------|--------------|-------------|---------------------| Note: there are other versions available, but these are either old, or outside of the mainstream PGP project. Look for new versions from one of three sources: Viacrypt (Commercial), MIT (North American freeware), or mathew(a)mantis.co.uk (the unofficially non-designated holder of the unofficial international version that parallels what Philip Zimmermann and the rest of the PGP development team is doing in the USA. WHAT IS ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT EXPORT CONTROLS? For a detailed rant, get ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/cryptusa.zip The practical meaning, until the law is corrected to make sense, is that you are requested to get PGP from sites outside of the USA and Canada if you are outside of the USA and Canada. If you are in France, I understand that you aren't even supposed import it. Other countries may be worse. WHERE CAN I GET VIACRYPT PGP? Versions are available for DOS, Unix, or WinCIM/CSNav Commercial software. Call 800-536-2664 to order. If you are a commercial user of PGP in the USA or Canada, contact Viacrypt in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. The commecial version of PGP is fully licensed to use the patented RSA and IDEA encryption algorithms in commercial applications, and may be used in corporate environments in the USA and Canada. It is fully compatible with, functionally the same as, and just as strong as the freeware version of PGP. Due to limitations on ViaCrypt's RSA distribution license, ViaCrypt only distributes executable code and documentation for it, but they are working on making PGP available for a variety of platforms. Call or write to them for the latest information. The latest version number for their version of PGP is 2.7. Upgrade from Viacrypt PGP 2.4 to 2.7 is free if you bought version 2.4 after May 27, 1994, otherwise the upgrade is US$10. Viacrypt's licensing and price information is as follows: ViaCrypt PGP for MS-DOS 1 user $ 99.98 ViaCrypt PGP for MS-DOS 5 users $ 299.98 ViaCrypt PGP for MS-DOS 20 users or more, call ViaCrypt ViaCrypt PGP for UNIX 1 user $ 149.98 ViaCrypt PGP for UNIX 5 users $ 449.98 ViaCrypt PGP for UNIX 20 users or more, call ViaCrypt ViaCrypt PGP for WinCIM/CSNav 1 user $ 119.98 ViaCrypt PGP for WinCIM/CSNav 5 user $ 359.98 ViaCrypt PGP for WinCIM/CSNav 20 users or more, call ViaCrypt If you wish to place an order please call 800-536-2664 during the hours of 8:30am to 5:00pm MST, Monday - Friday. They accept VISA, MasterCard, AMEX and Discover credit cards. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact: Paul E. Uhlhorn Director of Marketing, ViaCrypt Products Mail: 2104 W. Peoria Ave Phoenix AZ 85029 Phone: (602) 944-0773 Fax: (602) 943-2601 Internet: viacrypt(a)acm.org Compuserve: 70304.41 WHERE CAN I GET MIT PGP? MIT PGP is Copyrighted freeware. Telnet to net-dist.mit.edu, log in as getpgp, answer the questions, then ftp to net-dist.mit.edu and change to the hidden directory named in the telnet session to get your own copy. MIT-PGP is for U. S. and Canadian use only, but MIT is only distributing it within the USA (due to some archaic export control laws). 1. Read ftp://net-dist.mit.edu/pub/PGP/mitlicen.txt and agree to it. 2. Read ftp://net-dist.mit.edu/pub/PGP/rsalicen.txt and agree to it. 3. Telnet to net-dist.mit.edu and log in as getpgp. 4. Answer the questions and write down the directory name listed. 5. QUICKLY end the telnet session with ^C and ftp to the indicated directory on net-dist.mit.edu (something like /pub/PGP/dist/U.S.-only-????) and get the distribution files (pgp26.zip, pgp26doc.zip, pgp26src.tar.gz, MacPGP2.6.sea.hqx, and MacPGP2.6.src.sea.hqx). If the hidden directory name is invalid, start over at step 3, above. File names (shortened file names are for DOS BBS distribution): pgp26doc.zip - documentation only pgp26.zip - includes DOS executable & documentation pgp26src.zip - source code pgp26src.tar or pgp26src.tar.gz - source code release for Unix and others macpgp26.hqx or MacPGP2.6.sea.hqx - Macintosh executable & documentation macpgp26.src or MacPGP2.6.src.sea.hqx - Macintosh source code mcpgp268.hqx or MacPGP2.6-68000.sea.hqx - Macintosh executable for 68000 pgp26os2.zip - OS/2 executable (may not be on the MIT archive) RSA and IDEA algorithms licenced for personal and noncommercial use. Uses RSAREF, which may not be modified without RSADSI permission. Contains "time bomb" to start generating messages incompatible with PGP 2.3 and 2.4 on 1 September 1994 as an incentive for people to not use PGP 2.3a in the USA, which RSADSI claims infringes on their patents. Mac versions are not yet Applescriptable. This version is not intended for export from the USA and Canada due to the USA's International Traffic in Arms Regulations and Canada's corresponding regulations. You can also get MIT PGP 2.6 from: ftp.csn.net/mpj ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26.zip ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26src.zip ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26os2.zip ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26src.tar.gz ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/mac MacPGP2.6.sea.hqx MacPGP2.6.src.sea.hqx MacPGP2.6-68000.sea.hqx ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/amiga/ pgp26-amiga0b0.6-000.lha pgp26-amiga0b0.6-020.lha pgp26-amiga0b0.6-src.lha amiga.txt See ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/README.MPJ for the ??????? See ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/help for more help on negotiating this site's export control methods. ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj ftp://ftp.netcom.com/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26.zip ftp://ftp.netcom.com/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26src.tar.… ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/ MacPGP2.6.sea.hqx ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/ MacPGP2.6.src.sea.hqx MacPGP2.6-68000.sea.hqx See ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj/README.MPJ for the ??????? See ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj/help for more help on negotiating this site's export control methods. TO GET THESE FILES BY EMAIL, send mail to ftp-request(a)netcom.com containing the word HELP in the body of the message for instructions. You will have to work quickly to get README.MPJ then the files before the ??????? part of the path name changes again (several times a day). ftp.eff.org Follow the instructions found in README.Dist that you get from one of: ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/Net_info/Tools/Crypto/README.Dist gopher.eff.org, 1/Net_info/Tools/Crypto gopher://gopher.eff.org/11/Net_info/Tools/Crypto http://www.eff.org/pub/Net_info/Tools/Crypto/ COMPUSERVE The NCSA Forum sysops have a library that is available only to people who send them a message asserting that they are within the U. S. A. This library contains PGP. I have also seen PGP 2.6 in some other places on Compuserve. Try searching for PGP26.ZIP in the IBMFF forum for up-to-date information on PGP in selected other areas. The last time I tried a search like this, PGP 2.6 was found in the PC World Online forum (GO PWOFORUM) new uploads area, along with several PGP shells and accessories. I've also heard that EUROFORUM caries PGP 2.6ui, but have not confirmed this. Compuserve file names are even more limited than DOS, so the file names to look for are PGP26.ZIP, PGP26S.ZIP (source code), and PGP26D.ZIP (documentation only). Colorado Catacombs BBS Mike Johnson, sysop Mac and DOS versions of PGP, PGP shells, and some other crypto stuff. Also the home of some good Bible search files and some shareware written by Mike Johnson, including DLOCK, CRYPTA, CRYPTE, CRYPTMPJ, MCP, MDIR, DELETE, PROVERB, SPLIT, ONEPAD, etc. v.FAST/v.32bis/v.42bis, speeds up to 28,800 bps 8 data bits, 1 stop, no parity, as fast as your modem will go. Use ANSI terminal emulation, of if you can't, try VT-100. Free access to PGP. If busy or no answer, try again later. Log in with your own name, or if someone else already used that, try a variation on your name or pseudonym. You can request access to crypto software on line, and if you qualify legally under the ITAR, you can download on the first call. Download file names: pgp26.zip (DOS version with documentation) pgp26src.tar (Unix version and source code) pgp26doc.zip (Documentation only -- exportable) macpgp26.hqx (MacPGP executables, binhexed .sea) macpgp26.src (MacPGP source, binhexed .sea) mcpgp268.hqx (MacPGP executables, binhexed .sea for 68000 processor). (303) 772-1062 Longmont, Colorado number - 2 lines. (303) 938-9654 Boulder, Colorado number forwarded to Longmont number intended for use by people in the Denver, Colorado area. Verified: This morning. Hieroglyphics Voodoo Machine (Colorado) Jim Still (aka Johannes Keppler), sysop. DOS, OS2, and Mac versions. (303) 443-2457 For free access for PGP, DLOCK, Secure Drive, etc., log in as "VOO DOO" with the password "NEW" (good for 30 minutes access to free files). Other BBS and ftp sites do have these files, as well. I noticed that PGP26.ZIP is being distributed on FIDONET. WHERE CAN I GET PGP FOR USE OUTSIDE OF THE USA? The latest for outside the USA is the "Unofficial International" PGP 2.6 for most platforms, MacPGP 2.3aV1.2 for the Mac (although 2.6ui is under development and should appear very soon), and 2.3a3 for the Amiga. The latest amiga version is fully compatible with MIT's PGP 2.6. Copyrighted freeware. Version 2.6ui released by mathew(a)mantis.co.uk. Amiga version 2.3a3 released by Peter Simons <simons(a)peti.gun.de> These versions do NOT use RSAREF. No RSA patent problems outside the USA, but this version is not legal for commercial or extensive personal use in the USA. IDEA licensed for presonal use only in countries where the IDEA patent holds. The freeware version of PGP is intended for noncommercial, experimental, and scholarly use. It is available on thousands of BBSes, commercial information services, and Internet anonymous-ftp archive sites on the planet called Earth. This list cannot be comprehensive, but it should give you plenty of pointers to places to find PGP. Although the latest freeware version of PGP was released from outside the USA (England), it is not supposed to be exported from the USA under a strange law called the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). Because of this, please get PGP from a site outside the USA if you are outside of the USA and Canada. Even though the RSAREF license associated with PGP 2.6 from MIT no longer prohibits use outside the USA, it still carries the not-for-profit restriction that the original RSA code in PGP 2.6ui doesn't have. On the other hand, patents on the IDEA cipher may limit PGP use in your country to nonprofit applications, anyway. Indeed, I understand that there are some countries where private electronic mail is not legal, anyway. These listings are subject to change without notice. If you find that PGP has been removed from any of these sites, please let me know so that I can update this list. Likewise, if you find PGP on a good site elsewhere (especially on any BBS that allows first time callers to access PGP for free), please let me know so that I can update this list. Source code (gzipped tar format): * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26ui-src.tar.gz * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26ui-src.tar.gz.sig * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp26ui-src.tar.gz * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp26ui-src.tar.gz.sig.gz * _TW:_ ftp://nctuccca.edu.tw/PC/wuarchive/pgp/pgp26ui-src.tar.gz * _TW:_ ftp://nctuccca.edu.tw/PC/wuarchive/pgp/pgp26ui-src.tar.gz.sig.gz Source code (zip format): * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26uis.sig * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26uis.zip * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp26uis.sig * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp26uis.zip * _TW:_ ftp://nctuccca.edu.tw/PC/wuarchive/pgp/pgp26uis.zip Executable for DOS (zip format): * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26uix.sig * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26uix.zip * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp26uix.sig * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp26uix.zip MacIntosh: * _DE:_ ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/pub/virus/crypt/pgp/mac /MacPGP2.6ui_beta.sit.hqx * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/PGP/MacPGP2.6ui_V1.2sources.cpt.hqx Other sites to look for the above mentioned files at: ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de /pub/virus/crypt/pgp This site has most, if not all, of the current PGP files. ftp.wimsey.bc.ca /pub/crypto/software/dist/US_or_Canada_only_XXXXXXX/PGP (U. S. and Canadian users only) See /pub/crypto/software/README for the characters for XXXXXXXX This site has all public releases of the freeware PGP from 1.0 through 2.6 and 2.6ui. black.ox.ac.uk (129.67.1.165) /src/security/pgp26uix.zip (MS-DOS executables & docs) /src/security/pgp26uis.zip (Unix, MS-DOS, VMS, Amiga sources, docs, info on building PGP into mailers, editors, etc.) There are several other versions of PGP here, including the MIT release. ftp.csn.net /mpj/public/pgp/ contains PGP shells, faq documentation, language kits. ftp.netcom.com /pub/dcosenza -- Some crypto stuff, sometimes includes PGP. /pub/gbe/pgpfaq.asc -- frequently asked questions answered. /pub/qwerty -- How to MacPGP Guide, largest steganography ftp site as well. PGP FAQ, crypto FAQ, US Crypto Policy FAQ, Steganograpy software list. MacUtilites for use with MacPGP. Stealth1.1 + other steganography programs. Send mail to qwerty(a)netcom.com with the subject "Bomb me!" to get the PGP FAQ and MacPGP guide if you don't have ftp access. ftp.ee.und.ac.za /pub/crypto/pgp soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp (DOS, MAC) ftp.demon.co.uk /pub/amiga/pgp /pub/archimedes /pub/pgp /pub/mac/MacPGP ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ftp.funet.fi ftp.dsi.unimi.it /pub/security/crypt/PGP ftp.tu-clausthal.de (139.174.2.10) wuarchive.wustl.edu /pub/aminet/util/crypt src.doc.ic.ac.uk (Amiga) /aminet /amiga-boing ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de /pub/comp/os/os2/crypt/pgp23os2A.zip (OS/2) iswuarchive.wustl.edu pub/aminet/util/crypt (Amiga) nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) /pub/crypt/pgp23A.zip /pub/crypt/pgp23srcA.zip /pub/crypt/pgp23A.tar.Z ftp.uni-kl.de (131.246.9.95) qiclab.scn.rain.com (147.28.0.97) pc.usl.edu (130.70.40.3) leif.thep.lu.se (130.235.92.55) goya.dit.upm.es (138.4.2.2) tupac-amaru.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.112.31) ftp.etsu.edu (192.43.199.20) princeton.edu (128.112.228.1) pencil.cs.missouri.edu (128.206.100.207) StealthPGP: The Amiga version can be FTP'ed from the Aminet in /pub/aminet/util/crypt/ as StealthPGP1_0.lha. Also, try an archie search for PGP using the command: archie -s pgp26 (DOS & Unix Versions) archie -s pgp2.6 (MAC Versions) ftpmail: For those individuals who do not have access to FTP, but do have access to e-mail, you can get FTP files mailed to you. For information on this service, send a message saying "Help" to ftpmail(a)decwrl.dec.com. You will be sent an instruction sheet on how to use the ftpmail service. Another e-mail service is from nic.funet.fi. Send the following mail message to mailserv(a)nic.funet.fi: ENCODER uuencode SEND pub/crypt/pgp23srcA.zip SEND pub/crypt/pgp23A.zip This will deposit the two zipfiles, as 15 batched messages, in your mailbox with about 24 hours. Save and uudecode. For the ftp sites on netcom, send mail to ftp-request(a)netcom.com containing the word HELP in the body of the message. World Wide Web URLs: (Thanks to mathew(a)mantis.co.uk) _________________________________________________________________ MACPGP 2.3 Program * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/MacPGP/MacPGP2.3.cpt.hqx * _UK:_ ftp://black.ox.ac.uk/src/security/macpgp2.3.cpt.hqx * _SE:_ ftp://isy.liu.se/pub/misc/pgp/2.3A/macpgp2.3.cpt.hqx * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/macpgp2.3.cpt.hqx * _FI:_ ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/crypt/ghost.dsi.unimi.it/macpgp2.3.cpt.hqx * _US:_ ftp://soda.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/pgp/macpgp2.3.cpt.hqx.gz Source code Requires Think C. * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/MacPGP/MacPGP2.2src.sea.hqx -- version 2.2 only * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/macpgp2.3src.sea.hqx.pgp * _FI:_ ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/crypt/ghost.dsi.unimi.it/macpgp2.3src.sea.h qx.pgp Documentation PGP is rather counter-intuitive to a Mac user. Luckily, there's a guide to using MacPGP in ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/qwerty/Here.is.How.to.MacPGP. _________________________________________________________________ OS/2 PGP You can, of course, run the DOS version of PGP under OS/2. * _DE:_ ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/pub/virus/crypt/pgp/2.6ui/pgp26ui-os2.zip * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/pgp/pgp26os2.zip ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/README.MPJ for the ??????? _________________________________________________________________ AMIGA PGP 2.3 * _DE:_ ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/aminet/util/crypt/PGPAmi23a_3.lha * _US:_ ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/util/crypt/PGPAmi23a_3.lha Source * _DE:_ ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/aminet/util/crypt/PGPAmi23a3_src.lha * _US:_ ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/util/crypt/PGPAmi23a3_src.lha _________________________________________________________________ ARCHIMEDES PGP * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/archimedes/ArcPGP23a _________________________________________________________________ DOCUMENTATION ONLY * _US:_ ftp://net-dist.mit.edu/pub/PGP/pgp26doc.zip * _UK:_ ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/pgp/pgp26doc.zip * _US:_ ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj/public/pgp/pgp26doc.zip * _US:_ ftp://ftp.ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp26doc.zip _________________________________________________________________ LANGUAGE MODULES These are suitable for most PGP versions. I am not aware of any export/import restrictions on these files. German * _UK:_ ftp://black.ox.ac.uk/src/security/pgp_german.txt * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp_german.txt * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/PGP_german_docs.lha Italian * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp-lang.italian.tar.gz * _FI:_ ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/crypt/ghost.dsi.unimi.it/PGP/pgp-lang.italian.tar.gz * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp-lang.italian.tar.gz Japanese * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp-msgs-japanese.tar.gz Lithuanian * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp23ltk.zip Russian * _RU:_ ftp://ftp.kiae.su/unix/crypto/pgp/pgp26ru.zip (MIT version) * _RU:_ ftp://ftp.kiae.su/unix/crypto/pgp/pgp26uir.zip (ui version) * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp26ru.zip Spanish * _IT:_ ftp://ftp.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP/pgp-lang.spanish.tar.gz * _FI:_ ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/crypt/ghost.dsi.unimi.it/pgp-lang.spanish.tar.gz * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp-lang.spanish.tar.gz Swedish * _UK:_ ftp://black.ox.ac.uk/src/security/pgp_swedish.txt * _US:_ ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/public/pgp/pgp_swedish.txt _________________________________________________________________ OTHER SITES Some cryptographic software is available from ftp://van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca/pub/crypto/software/. Read the README file and proceed from there. BBS sites: Colorado Catacombs BBS (See also the entry above for PGP 2.6) (303) 772-1062 Longmont, Colorado (2 lines) (303) 938-9654 Boulder, Colorado (free call from Denver CO, but 1 line) For free access: log in with your own name, answer the questions, then select [Q]uestionaire 3 from the [M]ain menu. Verified: This morning. Hieroglyphics Voodoo Machine (Colorado) Jim Still (aka Johannes Keppler), sysop. DOS, OS2, and Mac versions. (303) 443-2457 Verified: 5-2-94 For free access for PGP, DLOCK, Secure Drive, etc., log in as "VOO DOO" with the password "NEW" (good for 30 minutes access to free files). Exec-Net (New York) Host BBS for the ILink net. (914) 667-4567 The Ferret BBS (North Little Rock, Arkansas) (501) 791-0124 also (501) 791-0125 Special PGP users account: login name: PGP USER password: PGP This information from: Jim Wenzel <jim.wenzel(a)grapevine.lrk.ar.us> If you find a version of the PGP package on a BBS or FTP site and it does not include the PGP User's Guide, something is wrong. The manual should always be included in the package. If it isn't, the package is suspect and should not be used or distributed. The site you found it on should remove it so that it does no further harm to others. ARCHIE WHO? There are many more sites. 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"True Names," chat with Vinge, and Cypherpunks
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some random comments that may interest some of you. Someone asked me for some novels he could read that might cover some cypherpunkish topics. These are some titles I gave him: * Brunner, The Shockwave Rider * Vinge, True Names * Card, Ender's Game * Gibson, Neuromancer (He's currently reading Orwell's "1984," which is of Required Reading to remain on our list! I read '1984" when I was in the 7th grade, in 1966, probably before many of you were born.) Vernor Vinge's "True Names" comes up in another context: I spent all of Sunday talking to Vernor and several other bright folks in the aftermath of a great party in the hills of Marin County, right next to Skywalker Ranch. My mad scientist/entrepreneur friends Bob Fleming and Cherie Kushner, in whose startup company I've invested some money, had a party to celebrate something or other. As it turned out, noted author--and winner of the Hugo Award fpr Best Novel last summer for "A Fire Upon the Deep"--Vernor Vinger was giving a talk on cyberspace and whatnot at Interval Research on Friday, so they invited him to stay at their place. (Interval is doing futuristic work in a lot of areas, and is funded by billionaire Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft.) I don't plan to recap the party; that's just a party. But the discussions on Sunday (some of stayed over, due to the long distances back to our homes, or as with Vernor, in lieu of a night in a hotel) touched on point of interest to our list. Also there were Eric Hughes, who you all know, and Alan Huang, who built one of the world's first optical computers for Bell Labs. (Alan's project, which included work on optical switchers, terabit per second Sagnac fibers, optical cellular automata, and even crypto, was cancelled by AT&T because they decided to concentrate on other things....Alan chose to leave AT&T and is now planning a move to the Bay Area to set up something here.) In my years of being able to worm my way into high-power discussions, at universities, at Intel, and at too many conferences to remember, I can't recall being in such a conversation as this, with everyone of the highest possible caliber. (I'm just calling it as I see it.) Wormholes, reversible computation, the 7,000-Cray NSA computer, the problems with nanotech, the problems with AI, the Tines and the Powers, the Extropians group (Vernor was curious), the Singularity, and the implications of the OJ Simpson case were a few of the topics. (Yes, several of us had "wasted" our time watching this case. Me, I think it's drama of truly Shakespearean proportions, and should not be "dissed" just becuase it's getting more attention than the Rhwandans and Haitians are getting...not to mention the boring Bosnians.) I'd met Vinge a few times before, notably at the 1989 Hackers Conference, but this time I got to spend enough time to really get some information exchanged. We all left Bob and Cherie's place at 7 p.m., as they took Vernor down to the SF airport, and as the rest of us scattered. With all the telecommunications we have, nothing beats an intensive face-to-face session. Which is why I still live within driving distance of the Silicon Valley and the Bay Area in general. Sorry if this message seems too personal, but I felt the urge to "share." And at least it's not a forward. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway." -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Workshop on privacy in computer supported cooperative work
by gnu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At least one person who understands crypto should go -- the other participants may not know what our technology makes possible. Forwarded-by: Stanton McCandlish <mech(a)eff.org> Forwarded-by: Phil Agre <pagre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 19:02:39 PDT From: Lucy Suchman <suchman(a)parc.xerox.com> >>> Workshop Announcement <<< CRITICAL CONSIDERATIONS IN THE CREATION AND CONTROL OF PERSONAL/COLLECTIVE COMMUNICATIONS SPACES to be held in conjunction with the ACM 1994 Conference on Computer Supported Cooperative Work (CSCW'94) Chapel Hill, North Carolina Saturday, October 22, 1994 sponsored by IFIP WG9.1 (Computers and Work) (pending approval) organized by Andrew Clement Faculty of Information Studies University of Toronto Lucy Suchman Systems and Practices Lab Xerox PARC Ina Wagner Centre for CSCW Technical University of Vienna Themes and Goals: The development of CSCW applications generally implies new ways of recording and transmitting detailed information about individual users' behaviour. Frequently,this is associated with new forms of interpersonal access. This is the case for those working in settings as diverse as team based manufacturing environments and the "media spaces" of corporate research labs. Even routine use of email poses still unresolved questions about who has access to messages and under what conditions. Such new communications capabilities pose the possibility of unwelcome intrusion and exposure. More generally, they can undermine the ability of individuals and groups to negotiate control of information about themselves. Personal privacy may be threatened and the potential for CSCW technologies to support collaboration impaired. This workshop builds upon the experiences with the privacy workshop and panel sessions held at CSCW'92 (see reports in SIGCHI Bulletin, October 1993, and especially, SIGOIS Bulletin, August 1993). Whereas the former workshop focused on identifying privacy issues, this one will emphasise remedial responses. In particular, it will explore theoretical and practical considerations in developing various forms of communications spaces under the control of the individuals and groups concerned. The specific goals of this one day workshop are: - to further develop a network of researchers and practitioners who have an ongoing interest in the privacy and related implications of CSCW technologies - to explore the theoretical and practical aspects of defining manageable personal and group information spaces within CSCW applications - to consider possibilities for diverse forms of participation (and non- participation) in the use of communications media and technologically mediated workspaces - to elaborate a general framework to guide CSCW developers and implementors in creating applications that are sensitive to personal/collectiveinformation control concerns. Planned Activities: In the morning session, participants will explore in detail several realistic scenarios involving privacy/accessibility issues. These will reflect a range of common/plausible situations by drawing upon prior research and participants' written submissions. Discussions of each scenario will focus on identifying the sources of concern, their basis in technologies and/or social relations, and the ways in which potential privacy violations may be avoided or diminished. Design options will be highlighted. The afternoon session will identify and elaborate the general principles that underlie the scenarios analysed earlier. These will cover recommendations and appropriate rationales that can guide the design of technologies and inform working practices. The main product will be a set of key ideas to incorporate in a report suitable for publication in SIGCHI/SIGOIS Bulletins. Organizer Backgrounds: Andrew Clement's research has been on the social and organizational implications of workplace computerization. A central theme of this work has been the ways in which users exercise control and are controlled through computing technology. He has written several papers on the subject of electronic workplace surveillance and, as a participant in the Ontario Telepresence project, is currently researching the privacy aspects of media spaces. He organized the privacy workshop at CSCW'92. He is vice chair of IFIP WG9.1 (Computers and Work). Lucy Suchman's research concerns the social relations of computer systems design and use, including studies of cooperative working practices in technology-intensive workplaces. Through her involvement in the CSCW and Participatory Design communities, she has worked to develop more use-oriented practices of systems design. She was Program Chair for the Second Conference on Computer-Supported Cooperative Work, and is engaged in ongoing dialogues with the PARC/EuroPARC media space and ubiquitous computing projects. Ina Wagner is the Director of the Centre for CSCW at the Technical University of Vienna. Her recent research has focused on the political and cultural aspects of software development practices and on time management issues in medical teams. She was the principal organizer of the recent IFIP WG9.1 NetWORKing Conference ("Connecting Workers In and Between Organizations") and serves as the Working Group's chair. Participant Selection: Prospective participants are asked to submit a short position statement (2-5 pages) describing their background, nature of interest in the workshop themes (e.g. privacy, CSCW application development, what they consider to be the primary issues and promising remedial approaches). As part of this, prospective participants are also encouraged to submit a brief scenario description (2-3 pages), suitable for discussion in the workshop. These should describe a situation, preferably based on experience, which explores a privacy concern in connection with the use of CSCW technologies. The richer and more detailed the better. Identities of individuals and organizations should be suitably disguised. Position statements and scenarios will be distributed to participants in advance of the session. Participants, to a maximum of 20, will be selected to promote a stimulating mix of researchers, developers, implementors and users of CSCW technologies. Four copies of the position paper/scenario should be sent by August 15, 1994 to the contact person, Andrew Clement. Please also email an ASCII version. Invitations will be sent by August 29, 1994. Be sure to include your name, address, telephone number, email address and fax number in your submission. The workshop will start at 8:30AM Saturday morning and last until 5PM. The workshop fee is $50, which includes continental breakfast, lunch and refreshment breaks. The fee is payable at the conference. Contact: Andrew Clement Faculty of Information Studies University of Toronto 140 St George Street Toronto, Ontario Canada M5S 1A1 clement(a)fis.utoronto.ca (416) 978-3111 (Office) (416) 971-1399 (Fax)

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House Rules Committee marks encryption bill as "open" (fwd)
by Shabbir J. Safdar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I phoned the House Rules comm. this morning. They informed me that the committee voted 5-4 earlier this week to allow amendments to the General Export Administration Act on the House Floor. This should allow a contingent to restore the strength to the act on the House floor, should Rep. Maria Cantwell and her cosponsors be able to muster the required votes. It was obviously a close vote. If you wrote in, know that your letter probably helped to tip the scales. -Shabbir

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Re: Singularity... what is it?
by doug＠OpenMind.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Jeff Gostin says: > What _is_ Singularity? It's not a term I'm familiar with. Perry Metzger replies: >The notion that the rate of progress is increasing, and the increase >in the rate is also increasing, so at some point in the next century >more change will occur per hour than occurred in all of human history >to, say, now. "The Singularity" is the point at which the world >becomes not merely odd but incomprehensable TO US. Presumably those >alive at the time will not really notice. This is not the only possible definition -- I wrote a paper in '84 defining it as a singular event or change beyond which "all bets are off". No future events after that point can really be reasonably predicted on this side of it. For example, the sudden development of a "god-like" AI. Or the discovery of some medical treatment which increases human intelligence two-fold... which is cheap and is widely distributed to everyone. Not all of the possible singularities are good... I would call global thermonuclear war a singularity, or the rise of a virus like AIDS, that spreads like the common cold. Sorry, this is getting pretty far away from subjects relevant to cypherpunks. The Extropian's list has been having a discussion recently about the "singularity" of runaway AI development acceleration. That list is probably the appropriate place to look for more info... Doug ___________________________________________________________________ Doug Cutrell General Partner doug(a)OpenMind.com Open Mind ===================================================================

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House Rules Committee marks encryption bill as "open" (fwd)
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Final Call: USENIX Winter 1995 Technical Conference
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This would be a good conference to submit a paper for. Our own Peter Honeyman chairs the program committee, and David Chaum is also on the committee. All that's needed on Monday is an extended abstract, not a real paper (yet). John To: kerberos(a)MIT.EDU Date: 13 Jul 1994 13:42:38 GMT From: honey(a)citi.umich.edu (peter honeyman) Subject: Final Call: USENIX Winter 1995 Technical Conference the deadline is monday. at the sound of the bell, please put your pens down and submit your paper. see http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/honey/usenix.html for further info. peter Announcement and Call for Submissions USENIX Winter 1995 Technical Conference January 16-20, 1995 New Orleans, Louisiana CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS The USENIX Winter 1995 Technical Conference in New Orleans will be the only broad-theme USENIX conference in 1995. The emphasis for the USENIX Winter 1995 Conference is on state-of-the-art practice and research in personal, distributed, and enterprise computing. We seek original and innovative papers about the architecture and performance of modern computing systems. We are especially interested to hear reports on practical experiences with such systems. Of particular interest are such topics as: * privacy and cryptography * personal digital assistant applications * enterprise-scale computing * kernelized operating systems * user interface toolkits * standards-based computing environments * file systems and mass storage * nomadic and wireless computing * shared address spaces DATE FOR REFEREED PAPER SUBMISSIONS Manuscripts or Extended Abstracts Due: July 18, 1994 Notification to Authors: August 31, 1994 Camera-ready Papers Due: November 14, 1994 The USENIX conference, like most conferences and journals, requires that papers not be submitted simultaneously to more than one conference or publication and that submitted papers not be previously or subsequently published elsewhere. Papers accompanied by so-called "non-disclosure agreement" forms are not acceptable and will be returned to the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a matter of policy and in accord with the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 (Title 17, U.S. Code, Section 102). HOW TO SUBMIT A REFEREED PAPER It is important that you contact the USENIX Association office to receive detailed guidelines for submitting a paper to the refereed track of the technical sessions; please telephone to +1-510-528-8649 or E-mail to winter95authors(a)usenix.org In addition, specific questions about submissions to the USENIX Winter 1995 Conference may be made to the program chair via E-mail at honey(a)citi.umich.edu. The program committee will review full papers or extended abstracts. An extended abstract should be 5 manuscript pages (single-sided) or fewer in length. It should represent the paper in "short form." Please include the abstract as it will appear in the final paper. If the full paper has been completed, it may be submitted instead of an extended abstract. Full papers should be limited to 12 single-spaced pages. Include references to establish that you are familiar with related work, and, where possible, provide detailed performance data to establish that you have a working implementation and measurement tools. Every submission should include one additional page or separate E-mail message containing: * the name of one of the authors, who will act as the contact for the program committee * contact's surface mail address, daytime and evening telephone numbers, E-mail address, and FAX number * an indication of which, if any, of the authors are full-time students WHERE TO SEND SUBMISSIONS Submit one copy of an extended abstract or full paper by July 18, 1994 via AT LEAST TWO of the following methods * E-mail to winter95papers(a)usenix.org * FAX to +1 313 763 4434 * Mail to: Winter 1995 USENIX CITI University of Michigan 519 W. William Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943 U.S.A. CASH PRIZES Cash prizes will be awarded for the best paper at the conference and the best paper by a full-time student. CONFERENCE PROGRAM COMMITTEE Charles J. Antonelli CITI, University of Michigan David Bachmann IBM Austin David Chaum DigiCash b.v. Cecelia D'Oliviera Information Systems, MIT Richard Draves Microsoft Research Lori Grob Chorus Systemes Peter Honeyman (Chair) CITI, University of Michigan John T. Kohl Atria Software Greg Minshall Novell, Inc. Douglas Orr Itinerant Hacker Noemi Paciorek Horizon Research Phil Winterbottom AT&T Bell Laboratories CONFERENCE PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION Materials containing all details of the technical sessions and tutorial program, conference registration, hotel discounts, and airfare discount and reservation information will be available at the end of September 1994. If you wish to receive the registration materials, please contact: USENIX Conference Office 22672 Lambert St., Suite 613 Lake Forest, CA USA 92630 +1-714-588-8649, FAX: +1-714-588-9706 E-mail: conference(a)usenix.org ------- End of Forwarded Message

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(none) (fwd)
by Aron Freed 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry about forwarding this long message but I thought it would be something interesting to read. I have no idea if anyone has seen this before.. But this so you know what is currently happening now. FYI, who ever made this post is not known at this time. Jeremy Cooper sent it to me and he must have found it on a mailing list for his class. The person who found it got it off the NirvanaNet. I e-mailed him and he thought it was joke. I then looked a bit closer and found that the earliest forwarder of this Chuck Zeps, who posted it on the USENET... Anyway the message he sent me is at the end of this message. If anyone has any ideas or comments about it, please send them. There are BBS numbers from the mailer taglines used by local BBSes. I'm sure if I give one of them a call I can figure out who wrote it originally.... Happy reading!!! ________________________________________ To: /mail/ac/ac859 Msg #: 1757 Size: 4757/100 From: jeremy(a)crl.com (Jeremy Cooper) On: 06/15/94 22:07 Subject: a post about Electronic security (fwd) oh oh _ . _ ___ _ . _ ===-|)/\\/|V|/\/\ (_)/_\|_|\_/(_)/_\|_| Stop by for an excursion into the-=== ===-|)||| | |\/\/ mud.crl.com 8888 (_) Virtual Bay Area! -=== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:26:43 PDT From: The Great Googly-Moogly <johansen(a)sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu> To: cyberspace/Humanities class list <cyberspace/Humanities(a)sfsu.edu> Subject: a post about Electronic security the following was found on NirvanaNet: D Area: ENCRYPT DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Msg#: 350 Date: 06-13-94 11:57 From: Black Knight Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Telco Spying ! DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Thought y'all might find this of intrest. From: chuck.zeps(a)dt-can.com (Chuck Zeps) Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk Subject: Telco Spying ! Date: Sun, 12 Jun 94 09:20:00 -0500 Message-ID: <fe.966.2106.0NCAB9D8(a)dt-can.com> Organization: Data Tech Canada - (519) 473-7685 *** Telco Snooping ? *** ======================================================================== As someone involved in the telephone industry on the level of security and data integrity... I would like to inform everyone that uses modems and/or are bbs operators of some information. The first thing that everyone that uses a modem should know is that every time you fire up your modem your activating monitoring equipment somewhere in the U.S. I have worked for several large telephone networks that routinely monitor and reroute modem and fax transmissions through devices that allow them to view what is being transmitted and even decodes encrypted data and fax packets used by major corporations and governmental agencies. This is allowed under the heading of "Maintenance Monitoring" and may be continued for up to 6 months without the need of any legal paperwork being generated. Under an obscure pre-WWII ruling by the agency that is now the FCC... "No information may be encoded or transmitted over PUBLIC or PRIVATE forms of telephony or radio with the exception of those agencies involved in the National Security" a further designation goes on to say "with the exception of the MORSE system of 'transmittal', any communication that is not interpretable by the human ear is forbidden and unlawful." The information gathered goes to 3 seperate database facilities...1 is codenamed Diana and is located in Brussels, the 2nd is named Fredrick and is located somewhere in Malaysia, the 3rd is named Elizabeth and is located in Boulder, Colorado. The information stored in these systems is accessable by the US Government, Interpol, Scotland Yard and various other such agencies. Your credit rating is also affected by your modem usage... if you ever get a copy of your credit history and find a listing that has HN06443 <--= this is a negative risk rating. or a code 87AT4 <---= an even more negative risk rating.... these will usually have no description on them... and if you inquire about them they will tell you that it just comes from the system that way. I am currently working for another major carrier as a consultant and have been able to watch these systems operate...at one unnamed long distance carrier here in Columbus Ohio in their NCC, Network Control Center, you can see several rows of computer terminals which have approximately 30 to 40 separate windows in each... these windows have data transmissions that are being monitored... banks of 9 track tapes are going constantly to record everything. Everyone should realize that even if a sysop posts a disclaimer at the beginning of his bbs about no access to governmental agencies or law enforcement...that it isn't worth the time it takes to type it in... looking forward to hearing reactions to this. -!- * SLMR 2.0 * * My Castle BBS 614-236-4015 10pm to 10am M-F 6pm-6pm S -!- QMPro 1.52 Clinton - All hope abandon, ye who voted for a Communist - chuck.zeps(a)dt-can.com =END= ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::c.zeps@genie.geis.com:::NsAc4sEmTeXpEtNbOmBcLiNtOnSsDeAbAtF::: :::CDN.Assn.Rocketry S155::kGbGrUcSiSrCmPdOdsPeTzNaZiJeWmOsSaD::: :::VE3SMN:::NRA Member:::::@8F@CoCaMeXcArTeLgOvDoPeBuShMeNaGuN::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: --- ~ TNet 3.90 w USENET| The Obelisk BBS | London, Ont.| 519.6790021 -!- * Freddie 1.2.5 * "It's art, things have to die"-Nora Maki, what a woman -!- WM v3.10/93-0082 ! Origin: Burn This Flag BBS - San Jose, CA - 408/363-9766 (9:900/6) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 06:12:00 -0400 From: Chuck Zeps <chuck.zeps(a)dt-can.com> To: s009amf(a)discover.wright.edu Subject: (none) Aaron, the "telco" post was a repost of data I got from an import of stuff from the Atlanta area. I regretfuly removed the header data and most people thought *I* wrote it when I reposted it. It was posted to another bbs down there ( data for that one is just above my .sig if you look ). The post was interesting as the methods used are substancially correct and this type of thing does occur up here. I dunno about banks of monitors for *everything* in real-time, but much targeted traffic can be viewed that way ( HP data monitors hooked to archival taping decks). You might call the BBS listed and enquire further if curious ... Regards, Chuck

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Re: NATIONAL SECURITY PORN RISK
by kentborg＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We need another TLA? I propose: TPD: Terrorists, Pedophiles, and Drug-dealers. It seems everytime one of this canonical-trio arises the person who thought it up thinks it was an original thought. If "TDP" got into circulation as term of ridicule, it might help our cause. Think about it, by reducing These Horrors to just another TLA we can then maybe talk about how TDPs are also thought to sometimes use telephones, cars, the post office, money, electricity, and shoes, and what are we gonna *do* about it? -kb, the Kent who wants to make people recognize how silly this all is -- Kent Borg +1 (617) 776-6899 kentborg(a)world.std.com kentborg(a)aol.com Proud to claim 32:00 hours of TV viewing so far in 1994!

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Re: House Rules Committee marks encryption bill as "open" (fwd)
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Snap! I win! G

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