December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Why is cryptoanarchy irreversible?
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:41 PM 11/8/1996, Matthew Ghio wrote: > If, as is presumed in this discussion, society will become divided into > two somewhat distinct groups of people, the crypto-anonymous group and > the traceable-identifiable group, then the predictable outcome is that > members of the traceable-identifiable group will become increasingly > victimized by members of the crypto-anonymous group. People who are > easily identifiable and tracked are easy prey. If people feel they have to go "underground" in order to protect themselves, you will see near unanimous support for mandatory GAK. This qualifies as a nightmare scenario for almost everybody, even many of the readers of this list. Universal traceability and identifiability is not necessarily a consequence of GAK. By universal I mean "available to everyone." Were this to be a problem, the information would be confined to "responsible" parties. I think I can describe a way to do this in nearly every scenario. There is certainly no reason why driver's license data need be on the Web. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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[Announcement] Cypherpunks Shooting Club
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

By popular request, I am following up on the three year old idea of the Cypherpunks Shooting Club. All Cypherpunks in the San Francisco Bay Area interested in participating are welcome to contact my by email. If enough individuals wish to participate, the first practice session will be held at the United Sportsmen Rifle Range in Concord this Sunday. Bring your own firearm or use one of the ones provided. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Member JPFO. "America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization"

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Re: "Nightmare on Crypto Street, Part 1"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:42 AM 11/8/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >I also summarize Peter's set up much as you did: > >"Suppose the Four Horsemen ride in. Suppose planes are being shot down, >buildings in every city are being blown up, people are being killed left >and right by crypto-hired-killers, Sarin gas is wafting through the >subways, and cats are afraid to go out at night. People will get out their >pitchforks and break in the doors of their neighbors in search of the >demonic crypto tools of Satan. Don't forget the flaming torches! Carried by the throngs of terrified villagers! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: HAPPY GUY FAWKES DAY!
by apoulter＠nyx.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Being English I did a double take when I read the following:- Sandy Sandfort wrote:- > On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled. Guy Fawkes > and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment. > > The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed. > > I celebrate it because he tried. :-) I'm sorry Sandy, you are supporting the wrong side. Guy Fawkes was not against government but just Protestantism. He wanted a Catholic restoration in England enforced by foreign governments. This would have involved many people being tortured and executed for their religious beliefs. It was the growing rift between Parliament and the Stuart Kings over who should rule that lead to the English Civil War, Charles the First being executed on the 30th January 1649 and the end of government by birthright. In the period of the Commonwealth, when Parliament ruled alone, all sorts of strange political ideas appeared, like the one that everyone had a right to individual freedom (Winstanley and the Levellers). All this would have been derailed had Guy Fawkes succeeded. I am more than happy to celebrate Guy Fawkes night with the kids and give a penny for the guy. Alan Poulter

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Electric Library
by Electric Library 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Vulis on the remailers
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vulis writes: >nobody(a)cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) writes: > >> Please, remailers, source block Vulis for a week. >> Remailer Fan > >I'm not sending anything via any remailers. Hmmmm. Let's see...I'll respect you in the morning, the check is in the mail, I won't come in your mouth... Get real, kook.

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Re: Legal Definition of Encryption?
by Richard L. Field 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The U.S. Export Administration Regulations (Commerce Department) include the following definitions: "Cryptography" -- "The discipline that embodies principles, means and methods for the transformation of data in order to hide its information content, prevent its undetected modification or prevent its unauthorized use. 'Cryptography' is limited to the transformation of information using one or more 'secret parameters' (e.g., crypto variables) and/or associated key management. Note: 'Secret parameter': a constant or key kept from the knowledge of others or shared only within a group." (Part 772) "Information security" -- "All the means and functions ensuring the accessibility, confidentiality or integrity of information or communications, excluding the means and functions intended to safeguard against malfunctions. This includes 'cryptography', 'cryptanalysis', protection against compromising emanations and computer security." These definitions and others are used within the Commerce Control List (Supplement No. 1 to Part 774) to regulate the export of certain Information Security related equipment, software, etc. (Category 5:II). The U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (State Department) also regulates (until 1/1/97, when jurisdiction is expected to move to Commerce) the export of certain "Cryptographic systems", etc. including those with the capability of maintaining secrecy or confidentiality of information systems. (The United States Munitions List, Section 121.1, Category XIII-Auxiliary Military Equipment) - Richard Field At 01:48 PM 11/8/96 -0400, "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> wrote: >Is there any law(s) that actully define encryption? > >At it's very basics encryption is taking a group of 1's & 0's converting them into a different group of 1's & 0's and providing a mecanisim to change them back to the original group of 1's & 0's. > >>From a legal standpoitnt how is PGP any different than PKZIP? How does the law make a diference between an "encryption" program and a "compression" program other than the fact that the encryption program is advertized as encryption and the compression program is advertized as compression?

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. May has been beaten up numerous times by fellow prostitutes for driving blow job prices down.

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allow me to state the obvious....
by SUCRUM22_at_INDY-ADP＠smtp-gw.cv62.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

i am your average joe who uses the computer for work and e-mail and the occasional jaunt into the internet. going along reading this whole crypto-anarchy thing makes me want to cry. the whole point of cryptography is getting info from my eyes to yours. period. you can say that "illegal" information passes along the internet, but hello people - illegalities have been going on since long before the invention of the computer (or even the notion of cryptography - if i may stop to point out the obvious). the only reason _i_ use encrypted stuff is because i don't want my nosy sysadmin reading my mail. its that simple. think about it. how many times is your e-mail handed off? when sent it naturally follows the most convenient path to its destination, and even anonymous re-mailers (can) keep a hard copy of the messages that cross their connections with the original address included. you can go off into spoofing address and so on, but your average joe may (or may not) have the time or knowledge (much less the motivation) to do that. keep that in mind before you go saying that crypto is a good/bad thing. ---------------------- SUCRUM22(a)cv62.navy.mil ----------------------- a calculated risk based on the possible consequence of an action is better than a haphazard one based on poor judgment or ignorance --------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't confuse my views with those of the DoD or the United States Navy

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Re: Information [for new PGP user]
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >I'll bet you can't find 10 out of 1,000 users who have read the total source, > >let alone comprehended and validated it. > > Depending on the system, compiler and version of PGP, compilation may or > may not function as expected. I know, I class myself as quite an experience programmer (though I haven`t done a lot of code recently) but I spent several days weeding through the bugs and it still wouldn`t compile on Borland C++ V4.51 so I just read the core code and hoped the executable was really derived from that code. I`m normally more paranoid than that but I just don`t have the time to spend getting borland to compile it. It won`t even compile on my system with the borland makefile than comes with PGP. Has anyone else on here managed to get it to compile under Borland and how long did it take them???? Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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