December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fight ECHELON while the topic is hot!
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 09:16:29 -0500 > > >It's high time Don Mclean (sic) or someone took the > >extensive documentation collected in the Cryptography > >Manifesto regarding this, which includes massive USA domestic spying, and > >started writing news stories about it, and > >get other news organizations interested in the questions > >raised. Questions to be put to Senators. > > >Why? > > >Because it is ECHELON, not pedophiles, not drug dealers, > >that is not only the hold-up for freely exportable > >software, but also for why the FBI has openly moved > >to regulate all domestic cryptography into oblivion. > > >The story of massive spying is one "the American people" > >can understand. Cryptography is too distant. > > >Go for it, someone, please. > > The sheeple don't care. > > The sheeple are well aware of the abuses of power by our government and > they don't care nor have they cared for a long time. So long as they have > a roof over their heads, cloths on their back, a color TV and their > microwave dinners they are willing to let the government do whatever they > want. Whooey! I'd say a number of senior people on this list are burnt out fighting the good fight. Did the government at least acknowledge it fucked up in the Weaver case to the tune of $3.1 million? Didn't the person in charge, who Freeh promoted to second-in-command at the FBI, have his career destroyed? Didn't the government finally back down on their attempt to legally kill the Unabomber? Didn't the Pentagon Papers make it out? Isn't ECHELON documented by person after person, including someone formerly in DOJ with top-secret clearance? Go for it! It is *you* who are advocating being a "sheeple"!!! ---guy Shame on you.

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Killing the Unabomber
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From wendigo(a)ne-wendigo.jabberwock.org Tue Feb 24 23:43:50 1998 > > An entity claiming to be Information Security wrote: > : > : Didn't the government finally back down on their > : attempt to legally kill the Unabomber? > > This point strikes me as pretty funny. Kinda like a nurse rooting > for Charles Starkweather. > > Mark Or trying to be consistent. Raygun: abortion is killing, but pro-death penalty. If killing is wrong, killing again is wrong. Also, there is the part about his brother turning him in to get help (UB tried to get mental help, but couldn't get it), and didn't turn him in to get killed. Next time, the killer might not be caught because the person who recognized (yea traffic analysis) his talktalk might not want them killed as a result. i.e. in the long run it will save lives. ---guy No: "Live and Let Die".

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Re: Fight ECHELON while the topic is hot!
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From whgiii(a)invweb.net Tue Feb 24 11:15:11 1998 > > >It is *you* who are advocating being a "sheeple"!!! > > No not at all I just don't have any pie-in-the-sky daydreams that it will > mean squat! I have better things to do with my time than dealing with a > news media who's highest goal is to sell more tampons and toilet paper to > the sheeple. I said to go for it and *try* for results. If you want to act like a disgruntled old Andy Rooney and say "it won't make any difference", fine, but why drag down everyone else? The EU, not just anybody, but the EU, is talking about massive NSA spying via ECHELON! ---guy Turn up the heat.

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Re: Cypherpunk Policeman?
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guy wrote: > Has 'cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net' replaced 'cypherpunks(a)toad.com'? Apparently it hasn't, because I never got a copy of my own post back. So, here it is again... > From aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 16:26:58 1998 > > Guy <guy(a)panix.com> claims that he managed to persuade PSInet (who > Dimitri used as his ISP) to pull his plug. Leaving him with full access to a minimum of three other accounts. Don't cry for him, Ukrainia... > I'd just like to feed back to Guy that I think this is uncool, and > that it is counter productive. Hey, maybe _you_ would get a warm and fuzzy feeling when Dimitry posts a death threat (including to this list) and signs your name: not me. ! I will gladly pay the $50,000 (canadian) reward to whomever KILLS ! Chris Lewis and his family, who reside in a suburb of Ottawa. ! I'm putting the notice of the CAUCE reward on http://www.panix.com/~guy ! ---guy > Guy, you may not have hit it off with Dimitri, but this is no reason > to go attempting to censor people. Ever heard of a kill file? Censor? Yeah, and the "Freedom Fighters" who are against any spam cancellation do so because they are fighting "censorship". I don't think so. > As an aside I don't think getting into a dirty tricks contest with > Dimitri is a good idea, I am pretty sure Dimitri could win by a large > margin if he cared to. No dirty tricks involved: I complained to PSINet using traffic analysis. If he had simply called me a cocksucker, I would not have complained. > Guy <guy(a)panix.com> writes: > > PSINet terminated Vulis for stalking, which I documented he did to a > > minimum of four people. > > What is your working definition of stalking as applied to a mailing > list, USENET or email? What are you talking about? In addition to death threats, forging death threats: he tries to get people fired from their jobs. But Dimitry can't figure out where I work (MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), reducing him to saying I was fired from where I _used to_ work. <snicker> This stalking: attempting to deprive someone of their right to work. ---- > From tcmay(a)got.net Mon Feb 23 17:14:50 1998 > > At 1:24 PM -0800 2/23/98, Adam Back wrote: > >Guy <guy(a)panix.com> claims that he managed to persuade PSInet (who > >Dimitri used as his ISP) to pull his plug. > > > >I'd just like to feed back to Guy that I think this is uncool, and > >that it is counter productive. > > > >Guy, you may not have hit it off with Dimitri, but this is no reason > >to go attempting to censor people. Ever heard of a kill file? > > I agree with Adam. As one who has borne a frontal assault of Vulis' insults > and raves, and (in all probability his) ASCII artwork, I dealt with it by > filtering as much of it as I could into a trash file. Oh, great, an independently wealthy person is telling me it's not a problem that a known stalker has posted angrily to this list asking if anyone knows where I work. > In my 10 years of actively being on the Net (though my first ARPANet > account was in 1973), I've complained a handful of times to postmasters, > and only _once_ because of content. The rest were about spam, mail bombs, > etc. > > The one content-based complaint I made was about Lawrence Detweiler's > attachment of my name to pro-Hitler, anti-Jewish rants he sent to > newsgroups like alt.culture.jewish and alt.culture.german. Then please explain why you agree with Adam, since I decided to complain to PSINet about Vulis stalking me and signing my name to death threats? > If Vulis can have his account yanked for calling Guy a pedophile, what > about all those who have called Arthur C. Clarke a pedophile? > > Has there been any determination (and what does that mean anyway?) as to > whether either Guy or Clarke are pedophiles? Ahhh, that's the wrong question. Look past your nose. Calling me a pedophile is one part of Vulis' patented style of stalking attacks. Add to that him saying I was fired from consulting work for being a pedophile, asking if anyone knows where I now work, etc: stalking. It wasn't merely him being insulting, but part of a larger Simon-Barr-Sinister pattern of behavior. Certain behavior is not permissible regardless of the venue. Not a direct analogy, but: you would censor (CENSOR! CENSOR!) people who work for you who wanted to speak "Ebonics" on the job. Gosh, how dare you deprive them of their right to free speech!. ---- > From aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 21:35:47 1998 > > John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> writes: > > Since Guy's death notice Dimitri's telephone has not answered > > several tries. The number of his sig: 1-718-261-2013, in Brooklyn > > across floater bay from here. > > > > Was he whacked as well as unplugged? Or is he hiding from the > > peds, plotting anthrax terror posing as Jim Kallstrom? > > OK, Guy, could you fill us in on what exactly you did to get PSInet to > pull Dimitri's plug? Exactly what I said: I submitted traffic analysis reports ("the big picture") regarding Vulis' stalking activity via PSINet to their legal people. I have previously posted to this list a dejanews URL for an early traffic analysis report on him that I posted to Usenet. It was like that, only more complete and specifically oriented towards getting him spanked. > Did it involve calls to law enforcement? No. He used an anonymous remailer for the death threat. His personal stalking of me didn't get far before I blew him off PSINet. I'm sure he's learned his lesson. ;-) He's still here, but sulking silently. He's run out of dirty tricks. > Is it likely that your claims would have been relayed by PSI to law > enforcement? Oh, I _wish_ I had that kind of influence. Of course, in the Cryptography Manifesto polemic, I have said not-nice things about law enforcement, as part of complaining about Key Recovery and the general Orwellian state of affairs. Guy's CM: Louis Freeh is a Scary Man with the morals of a styrofoam cup. On the other hand, I do believe most FBI personnel are good people who perform an invaluable service for all of us. Guy's CM: This posting isn't about the many good FBI and other law enforcement people. Gee, could I do a better job of offending both "sides"? ;-) > If you have taken this far enough to get Dimitri into legal trouble, > and your claims are untrue, or exaggerated, I think you owe it to > Dimitri to try to undo some of this stuff fast! Hell. Freeze. Over. > What did you tell PSInet? I documented his stalking behavior via PSINet, documented that he had begun stalking me via PSINet, and stated that if they didn't terminate him and he continued stalking me, I would sue them. And that the traffic analysis report they were holding was what a jury would use to decide PSINet was liable for their continued (after _years_ of people's complaints) inaction. ---guy With Vulis, the best defense is a good offense.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Elder wrote: > > trei(a)ziplink.net wrote: > > >>Applied Cryptography: Protocols, Algorithms, and Source Code in C, > >Second Edition, by Bruce Schneier. Copyright 1995, John Wiley & Sons, > >Inc. All rights reserved. > >For those wondering: Applied Cryptography includes the source code > >appendix. I have not checked if it has the 5th printing corrections. > > Just a little note of interest, AC is currently in its sixth printing. I > just got it last week. > > -E. I noticed the sixth printing in Barnes and Noble 2 weeks ago. I didn't have too long to peruse thru it... Are there any big error corrections/ other reasons to pay any close attention to the new printing? -Anon

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Re: Valentine Suprise
by William R. Butler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes you are prob. right but I do get a little burned about it in my mail all the time. ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:00:46 -0500 To: "William R. Butler" <wrb(a)hotmail.com> From: Michael Elder <melder(a)descartes.coker.edu> Subject: Re: Valentine Suprise Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com,celeste@seeme.com At 05:28 AM 2/24/98 PST, William R. Butler wrote: >FUCK-OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >************************ ... >Me and my friends are so lonely!! >I wish that you would come and see me. >With Valentines day coming I don't want to be alone. >I will do anything to make you happy, >if you want me to I'll even invite a friend over to join us. >Just PLEASE don't let me be alone! >I'll be awaiting for you every night. >I'll be at: http://www.cyber-fantasy.com/ > I think that was the point of the advertisement d=] -E. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Pentagon Papers
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From William "Grumpy-pie" Geiger III Tue Feb 24 11:46:52 1998 > > >Didn't the Pentagon Papers make it out? > > What did it change? NOTHING My vague understanding of the matter is that it was an important US Supreme Court case involving free speech and prior restraint thereof. ---guy

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Re: Cypherpunk Policeman?
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk Tue Feb 24 14:56:22 1998 > > Guy <guy(a)panix.com> writes: > > > Has 'cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net' replaced 'cypherpunks(a)toad.com'? > > Er, yes, some time ago now. cypherpunks(a)toad.com is no longer, and > that mail to it gets through is just that toad.com feeds what it gets > back to cyberpass.net. The others replacements are algebra.com, and > ssz.com. Well, toad.com should stop accepting subscription requests. > You said elsewhere in your expose your claim that Dimitri forged posts > as from you that he used a remailer. So how can you have traffic > analysis showing that it was him, and secondly how do you know it even > was him. Because he posted under his own name ~"Chris Lewis should die", etc, and it matches up with the death threat. He is massively on record in his own name for stalking Chris Lewis, and contacting Chris Lewis at the same address. It was good enough for legal counsel. ---guy Plus the easily documented job-stalking of various people.

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[Q: Information on PhD Cryptography Classes]
by sunder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got this request sent to me directly. If you have info for this person please reply directly to: balakrik(a)goldey.gbc.edu. To: SUNDER(a)brainlink.com Subject: Information on Cryptography From: Karthik Balakrishnan <balakrik(a)goldey.gbc.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:45:26 -0500 To introduce myself, I am Karthik Balakrishnan, a senior majoring in Computer Information Systems. I should be graduating at the end of th Fall semester. I am planning to pursue my Master's in Cryptography, probably try for PhD program. I would really appretiate your help in guiding me through this proces by giving me some advice on this, as to which schools offer a PhD in this field, the schools that you recommend, and how to go about this process. My e-mail address is : balakrik(a)goldey,gbc.edu Thank you very much.

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Re: Cypherpunk Policeman?
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From jya(a)pipeline.com Tue Feb 24 16:06:28 1998 > > Guy, > > Without defending Dimitri's actions I'd like to check that > he's not suffered a Jim Bell snatch, perhaps unrelated > to your complaint. PSINet snatcheroo? That's getting tough on complaints. ;-) I've only submitted a complaint to PSINet so far. Haven't gotten around to Altopia. I do actually work for a living, despite Vulis' claims. He posted from 'cj3(a)alt.net' _after_ being terminated from PSINet. > He's not answered his phone since > you announced the unplug, nor answered e-mail (to dm.com, > which is no longer active). > > Do you have any info on who I could contact for leads? > Or can you refer this to someone who does? I've only got > the phone number listed in his sig. Whois gives his number as: Billing Contact: Vulis, Dimitri (DV1010) dlv(a)DM.COM 718-261-6839 > BTW, I'm in Manhattan. Vox: 212-873-8700. Ain't it great here in NYC, Third Planet From the Sun? You could always go over and knock on his door. I hear he posted a picture of himself to the Net in 1992, and that "he looked dorky, and his wife fat". Hey, Vulis is probably looking for a real job. Maybe he's finally found one. I can hear him saying: "Would you like fries with that?" ---guy

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