December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Minsky Manufactures Privacy...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somewhere in the bowels of an active location transponder discussion on the wearables list... Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: minsky(a)mailhub.media.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:29:19 -0500 To: wearables(a)media.mit.edu From: Marvin Minsky <minsky(a)media.mit.edu> Subject: Re: location vs. tracking "David P. Reed" <dpreed(a)reed.com> worries: >[they can use active tracking of you] for various 'public benefits' (such as antiterrorism, antipedophilia, anti-anti-gov't thinking, and monitoring any personal, non-business interactions, among employees. ) Did you mean to include antiterrorism? >There's always a plausible reason that can be used to override >whatever privacy policies and safeguards are designed into such a system. If the reasons really are plausible, then those overrides should be added to the system design. >It's sad that our public institutions now tend to view everyone as a >potentially evil person... Do you mean all public institutions? Perhaps, instead, we should try to design tracking systems that include public review mechanisms -- so that whenever anyone (e.g., your employer) accesses your record against the privacy policy, they'll be subject to legal sanctions and damages. The issues of privacy are pretty complicated: for example, if someone has been furtively following you, some future technology might permit you to authorize someone you trust to find out who it is. Ed Fredkin once asked a number of people how they would feel about a new device with which you could select almost anyone in the world, and make the device produce a loud noise near them. They all objected angrily. Then Ed said, "It already exists. It's called the telephone." --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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DaBORG
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(No Subject)
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:33 PM 11/26/97 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: >In message <v03007800b09f865249e2(a)[172.17.1.150]>, Rick Smith writes: >> >> I recently spoke informally with a couple of sub-Cabinet level officials on >> crypto policy. Their comments indicated that the FBI et al are dominating >> internal meetings on the subject with the same polarizing rhetoric they're >> using in Congress. One official said that he was accused of intentionally >> aiding terrorists at one of these meetings. > >During a recent application for crypto export approval, which should have >been routine, we were contacted by an individual from the *FBI* (not from >BXA) who refused our export license because we didn't have a key recovery >system *in place now*. This is despite the facts that: > >- the export license was to use our strong cryptography products for > communications between our international sales offices and head office; > this used to be a rubber-stamp license, and > >- we are in the process of implementing key recovery technology as part of a > a seperate export approval for our DES-56 products. > >I couldn't even get an answer as to why the FBI had jurisdiction over our >export approval. I guess the FBI has decided that it is going to be the secret police when the time comes. (And I had been thinking it was going to be the ATF!) I wonder if they could be egged into a turf war amongst themselves--if they are fighting each other, they have less time and energy to fuck with us... Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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by 89352555＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Let's pay for online policing [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > November 26, 1997: 2:33 p.m. ET > European Commission > > European Union > More related sites... BRUSSELS, Belgium (Reuters) - The European > Commission proposed Wednesday setting aside money for measures to help > keep illegal and harmful material off the Internet. > [INLINE] Continuing its push for industry self-regulation of the > global computer network, the commission said the European Union should > help set up a pan-European network of telephone hot lines to take > complaints about illegal items. [material deleted]

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Re: Moderated vs. Unmoderated Lists
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The issue is not moderation. It is whether this list has a focus, a central set of ideas, a reason for existence. If we're just going to talk about whatever anyone finds interesting, there is nothing to stop the list from drifting away from its goals. In fact, that is exactly what has happened. Tim May's violent rhetoric has attracted others who believe in violence. Vulis's racist and sexist comments have brought other members who are comfortable expressing negative comments about other races and nationalities. There is little discussion about cryptography any more. Tim May: >This has crypto anarchy relevance in that strong crypto will undermine the >ability of the U.S. government to fight foreign wars and engange in foreign >entanglements. How this will happen should be obvious. What difference does it make whether it has crypto anarchy relevance? No one cares about that any more. The only thing that matters today is whether it includes crypto racism, or crypto terrorism, or crypto white supremacy. > Yes, I talk about what interests me. A single essay I _write_ represents my > views. I avoid cc:ing the list with forwarded stuff from Yahoo, as some are > wont to do. > > Thus, I feel no guilt about writing some essay or article on something of > interest to me. Writing off-topic essays isn't the problem. Posting them here is. Why don't you use alt.fan.oj-simpson for your racist rants like you used to?

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Re: Microsoft's compelled speech, compelled marketing
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am very amused to see the Naderites on the warpath again. Better yet is their claim that the Microsoft DoJ action is divorced from politics. This is an excerpt from a message I posted to another list. Might be interesting. -Declan --- > "Fundamentally, I think it's a legal issue," says >Ed Black, president of the Computer and Communications >Industry Association. "But to say whenever the >wealthiest man in America and one of the most powerful >companies in America is challenged by a cabinet >official, you can't say there's no political impact. >You're in a political world at that level." And if we look at the history of antitrust we see that the political world is often the most important one: -- Nixon intervened in an antitrust action against ITT in 1971 in exchange for a bribe: a hefty contribution to the 1972 Republican convention. "I don't know whether ITT is bad, good or indifferent," he said on April 19, 1971, the White House tapes reveal. "But there is not going to be any more antitrust actions as long as I am in this chair...goddam it, we're going to stop it." -- Bush's assistant attorney general derailed a criminal investigation of Georgia Power. This after the U.S. attorney in Atlanta had issued more than five hundred subpoenas and two hundred witnesses were called to testify before the grand jury. Why? Months earlier, the company's CEO raised millions of dollars for the Republicans in 1988. -- AT&T and its manufacturing subsidary were engaged in a billion-dollar-a-year price fixing scheme, the Justice Department claimed in a complaint filed in January 1949. AT&T persuaded a slew of high Defense Department officials to oppose the action on national security grounds. The Defense Secretary himself opposed it because of the "Korean emergency." They forced the DoJ to settle the case without getting what it wanted: AT&T to sell Western Electric. -- Teddy Roosevelt (who Jamie might recall was widely reported to be a "trust buster") headed off a DoJ antitrust investigation of the electrical industry. Roosevelt wrote: "I feel very strongly that the less activity there is during the presidential election, unless it is necessary, the better it will be." Former NY Times and Newseek reporter David Burnham writes in his book about the Justice Department: "The record is clear. Political campaign contributions, personal bribes and other direct and indirect favors have frequently influenced important Justice Department disions about the enforcement of law... Virtually every administration has demanded that the Justice Department bend the law..." -Declan

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telnetd/sshd for NT Alpha?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for a *stable* telnetd or sshd for NT Alpha. Free if possible, commercial if need be. Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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I'm from the government, and I'm here to give your children food poisoning...
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Reports surfaced in July from San Francisco social-service organizations that poor kids who participated in a summer lunch program were being served moldy green bologna in sandwiches (for many of the kids, their main meal of the day). According to Dr. Johnson Ojo, the Health Department's principal inspector, what he saw while investigating the complaints was "not that bad," and anyway, moldy bologna will not cause food poisoning. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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If it protects just a single child...
by CypherPunks Press 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* John E. Herndon, at his May sentencing (he got 20 years) in Little Rock, Ark., for using two teenage girls in pornographic photos after giving them alcoholic beverages: "They were my muffins and my flowers," he told the judge. "They were earth angels. I renew my promises to the girls as a born-again Christian that I will always love them and protect them." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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