December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Main banner rule POLL: YOUNG ADULTS WANT BETTER GOVERNMENT graphic November 19, 1997 Web posted at: 10:57 p.m. EST (0357 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Most young adults don't necessarily want to reduce government's role in America but want it to do a better job, according to a new poll. As for themselves, however, they see their future not in government work but in private business. The survey by pollsters Peter Hart and Robert Teeter was released Wednesday at the kickoff of a project by corporations and nonprofit groups to increase public trust in government. In the poll, 40 percent of respondents said government can help them achieve their goals in life, compared with the 48 percent who said government programs and policies are a hindrance. But a large majority, 71 percent, answered that government could help with better leadership and management, and 60 percent would prefer improving the government over simply reducing its size and power. On working in government themselves, 66 percent said a career in the private sector is more appealing. The telephone survey of 505 Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 was conducted October 29 and 30. The margin of error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related site: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * Council for Excellence in Government homepage External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Fairy Gold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If this were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. Of course, concepts are valid >regardless of their source. It would be unwise to take the statements >even of established identities on faith. > >The advantage of persistent identity is that it allows the exploration >of more complicated ideas. Use of the persistent identity places a >particular post in a greater context. > >There is only so much that can be done in a single post. It is the >mailing list equivalent of a sound bite. We should remember that -- at least here in America and the rest of the so-called first world -- we live in the age of the sound bite where the "medium is the message." Public opinion is manipulated by the puppetmasters who pull the emotional strings of John and Jane Q. Public sitting in front of the TV each night. Witness how anyone who has watched a video on Waco is quickly being lumped into the category of an anti-government extremist (Terry Nichols had two copies of "Waco Under Siege" in his house). The underlying message is, "don't consider any of the facts that the video viewer presents to you, just realize he/she is an extremist." Frankly, I wasn't there at Waco so I don't know what happened. However, as Monty pointed out in another post, the fact that the FBI/BATF/etc. administered the gas into the Davidian home (notice how I fail to use the media-sanctioned term "compound") is clearly an aggressive act on the part of the U.S. gov't. Regardless of what the spinmeisters say (both on the left and the right) no human being with a conscience can take note of this fact and say that the feds were justified in their actions. Gassing children? Come on. A single sound bite on its own will do nothing, but a persistent group of sound bites presented over time with a recurring message can create a great amount of influence. This is how public opinion is formed through mass media channels. But think about this: who is the author of these mass media sound bites? Can you name the person? It's easy to say that it's the feds, the ZOG, the NWO crew...but you can't name an individual can you? Why is that? Seriously, think about this question. It has a lot to do with a major cypherpunk theme: anonymity. But in this case, with hardly any conscious responsibility. Nerthus P.S. Notice how my response becomes "negated" by Monty's previous response when you read the first 6 lines of text in order: " >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If that were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. " Think how easily Monty's "response" could be used against me if the quoted text marks (>) were removed. Truths are easily twisted into lies by those who seek advantage from such actions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJoHOFWwZe05jcJAQG60gf9Gkn96xtwHQ6CP3gcXGTTjgb42GMWXG6G YvlDlu+MehW61hR+i8NeqM6Y/z1nFJuFZhOJmAVlps2ud6r6PoGBqFF0HOiNQjyz 3pwuB5v2y31rxHKJDLloWjv+fLrX8sapQbOwELbmR3DxwiYxiZJfhNHz8T+gQOw5 4Ri550IzqMpGCHLeU03GdnZOiCu17QRUOHuP2qnNHSUAcTp28fQbUBUdivVPsr+1 PZ1XfwCLKhSdQjDCIhRNukM9+ep675+l5FtEZGjx6UOsBRlpZmXz/6I2Z/S9c0Tr nrmOhPBSS1MQDDe2vCkOhiNmcBT2LbAa5cSEL07sswLU0/lFMRj6Jw== =uO0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Traffic Analysis Tip #3207
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TIP #3207: Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) When performing traffic analysis and/or stylometry for the purpose of discerning the sometimes subtle differences between genuine mental imbalance and affectation of the same by boilerplate government and/or corporate shills, one needs to take into account the possible role that 'Seasonal Affective Disorder,' (SAD), may play in emotive attacks on the target, be it a group or a particular subject. The onset of SAD can often be recognized by the correlation between increasingly emotional attacks and specifically monitorable elements of seasonal changes, such as the decreasing amount of light in the northern and southern climes as winter advances. Examples of this can be easily charted using posts originating from ISP's such as sympatico.ca. The data can then be compared to that garnered through an analysis of Hettinga's posts, showing that the latter are goal-oriented emotive attacks designed to provide identity- associated confirmation/support of the current round of anonymous posts aimed at denigrating the cypherpunks mailing list by associating it directly, in the minds of others, with one or two individuals/targets on the list. Note that although SAD can aggravate existing conditions, such as OCD (Obssesive-Compulsive Disorder), it does not change the basic traits of those conditions. The excessive diatribes of Choate, for instance, upon having a few lines of one of his posts changed/misquoted by Toto/TruthMonger, were shown by analysis to have been easily deflected by others into a more generalized attack/defense-of-his-position. While Hettinga's current attack might easily be confused with an identity-fixation focus of the same general form of OCD, closer analysis would show that his posts continually return to goal- oriented repetitive misstatements aimed toward linking the individual to a specifically designed mind-construct being advanced by the para//el anonymous posts. Likewise, the effect of Seasonal Affective Disorder on those afflicted with a wider variety of interconnected dysfuntionalities, such as the ADHD/Tourette/OCD/Schizoid tendencies of TruthMonger #1, is to merely increase the volatility of already existing conditions. Analysis of the known posts of #1, under a variety of personas and anonymous list offerings, shows the same wide set of dysfunctional anomalies working at cross-purposes on a broad spectrum of issues. One of the keys to differentiating these posts from those produced by boilerroom spook operations is recognizing the existence of multiple underlying signs of a broader range of diagnosic criterion than is present in a willful affectation of dysfunctional conditions designed to elicit para//el emotive reactions in other subscribers to the mailing list. The effect/influence of SAD has been shown in the past to be much greater during high levels of El Nino activity. TAT#3207/coe

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Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Forwarded with permission, first few grafs deleted by request. --Declan] Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: Margarita Lacabe <marga(a)derechos.org> Subject: UN Conference [The lineup from the conference] -Debra Guzman, a long-time american human rights activist, gave a general appreciation of hate sites online. She said that it was very difficult to find them and unlikely that one would stumble on them. -Teresa Peters, another american from the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development Information Computer and Communications Policy Committee talked about a study that her organization had made about regulating speech on the internet, and about the problems this lead to. I think the study is not public, and she did not go much beyond what the study concluded. I didn't take good notes on her speech, however :-( -Philip Reitinger, a prosecutor with the US DOJ, summarize US free speech legislation and made clear that hate web sites are protected under US law. He also addressed the likely constitutional protections of anonimity, but left open the question of whether the US could cooperate with other countries in investigating people who violate speech laws abroad. -Timothy Jenkins, who as far as I can tell is mostly a consultant and someone who is trying to get the black leadership interested in the internet, talked about how the real problem here was that internet access is disproportionatelly held by white (males?) in the US and Europe, and how the lack of access to computers might be a form of racial discrimination. He did not agree with censorship of web sites BUT he introduced the issue of anonimity, being for restricting anonimity so as to be able to tell who the authors of racist speech were (this was followed by a strong denunciation by the US delegate and yours truely) -ERic Lee, from the Commercial Internet eXchange, an association of ISPs talked about why ISPs shouldn't be held responsible for content and also gave a good explanation of how the internet works. -Agha Shahi, a member of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, gave a forceful opinion on how the Convention applies online and how countries must criminalize hate speech online. -Rudiger Dossow, from the Council of Europe, talked about what the Council has been thinking about the issue and warned about potential pitfalls. -Maya Sooka, from Sangonet in SA, questioned the code of conduct idea that had been proposed several times - Anthony M. Rutkowski, now from Magic, talked about how the internet works, how impossible it is to regulate it, and how it should not be regulated differently from other media. At some point there was a presentation by the Simon Wiesenthal center on hate sites online, and another by the ITU, which I did not quite understand, about how hundreds of satellites are being launched. In addition to the experts, the conference had representatives from some UN and Int'l bodies, including the department of public information, the OHCHR, the ITU, the Internet Society and others who remained mostly silent. There were representatives from several countries, including the US, Sweeden, Germany, France and Cuba. Most representatives were embassy people, but those from Sweeden, france and germany were from different ministries in their countries. These three representatives who were among the most vocal in the conference seemed to be the only ones who were actually aware of the legal issues concerned, as well as to what the internet is :-) The NGOs were badly represented, there was no one from the groups that watch hate speech online (except for the brief appearance of the guy from the simon Wiesenthal center). In addition to the three of us, article 19 - the free speech organization - in England was represented, there was a guy from the World Jewish Conference who was there half the time, a couple of people from this organization for adult education, a professor from the Universtiy of Geneva who spoke a few times, and some assorted people from Geneva based groups who were mostly silent. There was also a guy from Indigienous World Association who missunderstood pretty much everything said, but was very passionate. (to be continued) Margarita Lacabe - Derechos - marga(a)derechos.org - http://www.derechos.org ____________________________________________________________________________ The governors as well as the governed are bound by the law and by the established system of making, changing and interpreting the law AKA The Rule of Law

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Bob Hettinga wrote: >> BTW, Emerson, Dickenson, Whitman, Thureau, etc., were part >> of the same ideological outpouring which, in the theological arena, was the >> Great Awakening. A lot can be said for the view that this was American >> Romanticism, as Chopin, Byron, the Brontes, Austen, etc., were all >> happening in roughly the same couple of generations. Later, like libertines >> and enthusiasts throughout history, they became extremely repressive. We >> eventually came to call them Victorians. (Sound familiar, you baby boomers?) > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. "THE GREAT AWAKENING "A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as well as his tears) should not be contained." -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 Being a New Englander, Bob should know about the revivalist of Northampton, Massachusetts: Jonathan Edwards. His name is synonymous with the "Great Awakening." As for the religious/ethical awakening that occurred prior to the War between the States, that has generally come to be known as "American Transcendentalism," especially the works of Whitman, Emerson and Thoreau. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMgReFWwZe05jcJAQHPkAgAm8DTBqNnuoEGl9AVKgWIhGf3QEsH9yH3 ZoJL5WsaGlnsykrgBtvb/8qC7LgrGL19fG0rFy0ixytNM+XsenGbqE1QADb8gIbJ CQTC6323s+rqO0/WmUCfsSAEpGifAosDtdn/FZiW0rXXPX18kM/vn4qUNVDmnoXe JptHFzJGj/kCRhGfpzu3y2QpkNZEk4+wSEf4hCHRZTc+ZczB5iMW38zWpk1Mwfuy HdJU3aEORDS5BbJ1CPibxj+yZGj6bvDcnR8oNdzDidvknyaHWluCbrZjmMwaPE7x kkcc8BsXcuKMa7fOxREjH6CLs6Gnicc/idIGIDGLbQcGVGr2jXSRLg== =4OoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Censorware Summit II (December 1-3)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Note government criminal and pacifist groups are absent from the list of organizations represented. --Defcon] =========== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 Anonymous INTERNET/ONLINE SUMMIT: FOCUS ON FASCISTS RELEASES AGENDA FOR MEETING, DECEMBER 1-3 WASHINGTON, D.C.-Organizers of the Internet/Online Summit: Focus on Fascists today released an agenda for the historic three-day meeting of free speech and freedom advocates, marksmen, guerilla leaders and Constitution enforcement officials joining forces to find ways to enhance the safety and freedom of citizens in cyberspace. The meeting is the first time so many diverse organizations have come together to address freedom and content issues related to citizens and the established mass medium which has operated exceedingly well without government interference. The Summit is the first in a series of discussions on issues affecting free citizens in cyberspace, including advertising, access, privacy, and marketing and content. The first meeting will focus on fascism and safety. The December 1-3 Summit will include speakers, panels, announcements of initiatives taken by the Summit and its participants, and a small exhibition of technological tools and commonly available munitions to help citizens manage a censor's time off-line. Panelists will be anonymous prior to the Summit. The Summit Agenda, which is subject to armed intervention, follows: MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 5 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. Registration and Opening Reception adjacent to technological tools weapons caches. TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2, 7:30 a.m. - 6 p.m. K-rations Call to Arms Target Practice (Vice President Al Gore invited to pose) Presentation on Fascist-approved Content with the Propaganda Broadcasting System and others Framing the Targets: targets Lois Jean White, President of the National PTA Panel in Framing the Targets Panel in "Release the Safety" Luncheon Targets: Target of the Month Newt Gingrich, Godfather of Government Theft William M. Daley Presentation on Fascist Oppression On-Line: Attorney General Janet Reno and small, moving-duck panelists Presentation on Public Propaganda: Secretary Richard W. Riley and affirmatively-nodding panelists Presentation on the Technology Munitions Kit Panel on Censoring and Blocking WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 8:30 a.m. - noon K-rations Review of Previous Reichs: Christine Varney, Chairperson of the Summit Bavarian Roundtable with Summit Shills Kids Panel Molested by Moral Majority Leaders Armageddon All activities will take place at a site overlooking the Renaissance Washington, D.C. Hotel at 666 Sixth Street, N.W. Registration to attend the Summit must be done through the Summit's Web site: www.hotnastykidsonline.orgy. Separate registration forms are available at the site for reportwhores and the pubic, as well as other target information as it become available. A partial list of the organizations sponsoring the Summit includes: Anonymous Arms Dealers Anonymous Paramilitarists Anonymous Freedom Fighters Anonyous Americans Anonymous Libertarians Anonymous Ninjas Anonyous Assholes Anonymous Average Citizens Anonymous Citizens Living In Fear Of Their Government Anonymous Secret Government Organizations Anonymous BATF Agents of Oklahoma Anonyous Mind-Controlled Dupes of the New World Order Tim C. May # # #

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At least it's not meat...
by Joichi Ito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>What are your grounds for restricting the rights of your neighbors to >>contract with Mexicans or whoever else they care to? Buy, sell, hire, >>rent, etc. > >When you have +1,000,000 Mexicans comming across the boarder a year that >is called an Invasion. When the Federal Government refuses to defend the >boarders and forces the citizens of the states to aid in this invasion >this is called Treason. And when you get this sort of claptrap it is called bigottry. If you really believed all that pseudo-Libertarian crap you write you would understand that national government is no more legitimate than trans national. Why should there be artificial, government imposed controls on labour? Let the free market decide. Phill

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Government's reply in Bernstein appeal; Dec 8 hearing coming
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Government's 38-page reply argues that: * The EAR's Export Controls Are Not a Facially Unconstitutional Prior Restraint * The EAR's Export Controls Satisfy the First Amendment Standards Governing Content-Neutral Regulations * The District Court's Declaratory and Injunctive Relief is Too Broad The brief is available in graphical page images in: http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/ (Reload the page in your browser if you have an older version cached.) Several amicus briefs, filed on November 10 along with Professor Bernstein's appeal brief, are also newly on the Web. The full set of filings for this appeal includes: Government's appeal brief Bernstein's appeal brief Amicus briefs from: Law professors EPIC & civil liberties organizations American Assoc. for the Advencement of Science (missing) Thomas Jefferson Center, re Founders' use of crypto RSA & NCSA & others, re reduced security from controls Government's reply brief The Court will now digest this large meal of cellulose, then hold a hearing in which the judges can question the lawyers from both sides, about anything they are unclear about. They will then deliberate, and write and issue their decision. The appeal hearing is on December 8, at 9AM at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, 95 Seventh Street, San Francisco. This is *not* the same location as earlier hearings in the case. We hope you can come, to witness the struggle for civil rights for cryptographers, to speak with the press who attend, to meet with other people concerned about cryptography policy, and to show the judges that the public cares how they decide this case. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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by trim＠lovinlife.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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