December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Slaughter
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:12 AM 12/22/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >Carl Johnson wrote: >> Dale Thorn wrote: > >> Thanks, I love the quote but can't find it or it's source. Perhaps I >> can put it all together in bits and pieces. > >As long as we're getting closer on that one, I thought I'd add my own >twist on another famous (but obnoxious) quote: > >The standard version: >God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; >The courage to change the things I can; >And the wisdom to know the difference. (quote not necessarily exact). > >My version: >God grant me the wisdom to know the difference between right and wrong; >The courage to support those who I feel are doing the right things, > and to oppose those who are doing the wrong things; >And the serenity to do so as peacefully as possible. Another, increasingly popular, variety of the AA "prayer" is: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things I can; And the firepower that makes the difference. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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RE: The Ebonic Plague
by James Bugden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

blancw(a)cnw.com wrote: >From: Timothy C. May > >Democracy has run amok in this country. There is no hope for reforming >at the ballot box, as democracy only makes things worse. Only a crypto >reign of terror can purge this land of the scum. >...................................................... > >Just how would this take shape in "real life" - what would constitute this >reign of terror; how do you envision such an event in action? > >And which are the scum who would be purged? > >Blanc Scum - you know - it's like crap - it's the stuff that floats to the top. Or is that the cream? Sucks Syntax! Anarchy Rules! Merry Christmas! James jbugden(a)alis.com "pride and selfishness, when combined with mental power, never want for a theory to justify them-and when men oppress their fellow-men, the oppressor ever finds, in the character of the oppressed, a full justification for his oppression." Frederick Douglass, 1854

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by kwit＠iap.net.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [NOT NOISE] Microsoft Crypto Service Provider API
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:36 AM 12/18/96 -0800, geeman(a)best.com wrote: > >Microsoft had to agree to validate crypto binaries against >a signature to make sure they weren't tampered with, in >exchange for shipping crypto-with-a-hole. They will >sign anything (theoretically) if it has the export >papers and all. Or without, if you affadavit it is not >for export. > >They do not themselves impose any restrictions on crypto >strength. >I'm not expressing political position here, just conveying facts .... What if the software involved was IMPORTED? Moreover, is legal to export just the signature? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Ebonics
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:32 AM 12/23/96 +0000, Omegaman wrote: >> > from grammatically incorrect speech. I can speak with grammatic >> > perfection and a >> > drawl so heavy it'll make your eyeballs hurt. >> Yeah. I thought the issue was understanding in the workplace; no >> matter >> how gramatically correct your are, I can't understand you and so I >> won't hire you. > > >Re-read what I said carefully. I "*can* speak"... I can also speak >more clearly. The same holds true, for speakers of "ebonics." >and it is an insult to their intelligence to imply that they cannot >or cannot easily learn to. I am waiting for the "language police" to get ahold of Ebonics. I can just see inner city kids being told that they are not slurring their vowels properly or any other of a thousand obscure rules of language. Maybe the best way to kill a subculture's language is to codify it, regiment it, and then force it to be taught in the schools. What the hell this has to do with crypto, I have no idea... --- | "Spam is the Devil's toothpaste!" - stuart(a)teleport.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: "the world is half women..."
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Dale Thorn and Tim May mutually blundered: >>Ya' know, guys, the world is half women, even though they're not on >>the c-punks list. Get in touch with them. They're fun people. >Ah, it's been a while since we had the "why aren't more women on the list?" >discussion. Frankly, women are of course welcome. If the list interests them, they are >welcome to subscribe. As it has always been. Oh, THANK YOU SO MUCH for discussing us in the third person. Guess what. There ARE women on the list (myself being one of them). (I thought that the men/women ratio was more like 46/54.) >That so few women are subscribers, or remain subscribers, or attend >Cypherpunks physical meetings....well, that's a larger issue involving >familiar issues: (chop -- those issues being libertarianism and other political nonsequiters.) (FYI: I'm a political science major and the secretary of the OU College Libertarians, neener neener.) >(I've explained crypto anarchy to many men and women over the past 6-8 >years. I've seen the guy's get agitated, or bothered, but usually >_interested_. I've seen eyes light up as they understand the likely >implications of untraceable payments, anonymous communications, avoidance >of Big Brother, etc. (CHOP CHOP) I think it's why we seem to have at most a couple of active women subscribers at any given moment.) This particular woman says that it's sooooo tiresome to wade through a lot of posturing and (even worse) the "me-toos" wherein people quote the entire post and then say, oh, yeah, I agree with that also. It's soooo easy to quit even reading the threads and just delete the whole thing. SUBTLE HINT MODE ON (Ah, so what do you propose, then, Miss Smartypants?) (AHEM! It's my brain that's smart, you lecher!) I'm on other lists and I've noticed that when they go to digest form much of the me-too-ness drops out. Is it that important to get 100 emails a day, if 80% of it is crap? Now, this part might sound more "womanish" -- it's nice to get an idea of the people posting, and have PRIVATE conversations. Most people don't care to see blanc and dale bash it out over fifteen posts. It's junk mail littering our in boxes! It's TASTELESS! ...furthermore, it's not cool. [Rabid soapboxing about what is and isn't cool omitted.] >So, Dale, feel free to recruit more women to this and other lists. But >don't presume from the traffic you see here--or from comments about the >utter stupidity of little Jessica Dubroff, her pilot, her parents, and the >complicitous news media--that we need a lecture on getting in touch with >women. Oh, yes you do. Consider yourself lectured. Stick to the topics, or stray on a RELATED subject. Jess Dubroff ISN'T. Complicitous news media IS. ENOUGH! No followup posts! Take my advice and smoke it! Er, wait. That doesn't sound right. And for those of you who are just WAITING to flame me, don't bother. I'm not a feminazi, not an "uppity woman", just a chick who'll {spontaneous hot-tempered threats deleted upon second thought}. Email privately if you care to respond. Jazz Sommers

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Certified primes
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy `C' May is a certified sexual pervert who wears women's underwear. \\\ (0 0) _ooO_(_)_Ooo____ Timmy `C' May

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Re: Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> 1. What do you mean conclude? For whom? I mean conclude. For me. I am the authority on all. I am just personally a little sick of this Ebonics thing, as we have obviously irreconcilable positions. I tried to take a concilliatory position with which all would agree. It has little to do with cryptography and is a stretch even for this generally weird mailing list. > 2. Rather than hypothesize a "standard" language, the language evolves > and generates the standard. Just relax and enjoy it. No. I'm right and you're wrong. Face it. :-) > 3. Black people are/are not stupider than what? Mark, you should go > live in the deep South for awhile, and become part of it, and > watch the outsiders come in and tell your friends and neighbors on > the TV, on radio, and in in-person seminars that they speak "wrongly" > and should lose their Southern "accents", as though they were something > to be ashamed of. > > Mark, you need to learn simple logic. Instead of saying "...are often > difficult to understand", you should say "...are often difficult for > *me* to understand". I personally have no problem understanding Southern accents. Other people have stated that they have problems understanding Ebonics, so I was just playing devil's advocate and taking another, conflicting position. I sense that one of the reasons why *some* people are so disgusted with Ebonics is that only black people speak it. I am just responding to those racist sentiments (Ahem. Timothy May) and trying to present a white example of muddled speech. Also, the entire issue of clarity of speech is relative and *will* be different for each person, another thing many people are ignoring. > You see, Mark, I could understand you in speech I am sure, and I can > also understand the Southern speech by-and-large, but it's you who > seems to have the limitations. Now you want to force people who don't > talk like you to talk like you, otherwise you won't deal with them. > > What a petty, narrow-minded person you must be, and how sad. Again, I was being devil's advocate and imitating other people's distaste with Ebonics. Your rather biting comments describe their narrow mindedness.

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Re: [NOT NOISE] Microsoft Crypto Service Provider API
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Software that is imported becomes subject to ITAR with respect to re-exportation, of course (but of course IANALetc.) If you can't demonstrate to MSFT that you are playing by the rules --such that you have the proper export papers for your code if you plan to export it, for example-- they won't sign, even if developed outside US. So: you develop a CSP outside US ... you have to IMPORT it to get it signed. It becomes subject at that point to ITAR export regs. Unless you demonstrate that you fulfull those requirements, no signature. So there's no relief by looking at just exporting the signature. ? At 07:21 PM 12/22/96 -0800, you wrote: >At 07:36 AM 12/18/96 -0800, geeman(a)best.com wrote: >> >>Microsoft had to agree to validate crypto binaries against >>a signature to make sure they weren't tampered with, in >>exchange for shipping crypto-with-a-hole. They will >>sign anything (theoretically) if it has the export >>papers and all. Or without, if you affadavit it is not >>for export. >> >>They do not themselves impose any restrictions on crypto >>strength. >>I'm not expressing political position here, just conveying facts .... > >What if the software involved was IMPORTED? Moreover, is legal to export >just the signature? > >Jim Bell >jimbell(a)pacifier.com > >

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Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 21 Dec 96 at 10:36, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Interesting. Paul Bradley does not consider Timmy May's (fart) > latest rants on "ebonics" and "colored race" to be racist? I think > Timmy May hates blacks even more than he hates Jews. Let's quote > Timmy's sick garbage on soc.culture.african.american and ask if they > find it offensive and racist. > Yes, Dr., this latest tripe that has spewed forth from Tim's keyboard reeks of bigotry. And all this time I felt you may have been too hard on him. This latest rant of his has made me reconsider your rough treatment of Mr. May. I kinda think he deserves a slapping right now. I find Mr. Mays comments quite racist and are quite off topic for this list. I would much rather talk about what rights I have to do bulk, targeted e-mailings! Or the fame of "The Spam King" I saw him on a TV show called The Web on the SciFi channel. This guy is a great example of the old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Just my two cents. It's been too long since I last posted, but I was compelled to post about this racist crap. I went to an inner-city school in South Gate, California and found it better to be friendly with anyone who would be my friend, despite the color of their skin. I went into the US Military and that idea was reinforced there. So I hate to hear people who are unwilling to find humanity behind a darker color skin. That just pisses me off! Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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