December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by 76311928＠24496.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of explosives will tell you > that two tons of ammonium nitrate, sixty feet from the base > of a tall, reinforced concrete and steel building, will not do > very much more than break lots of windows. You see, ammonium > nitrate is a low velocity explosive compound useful for moving > dirt. A brissance, or shattering effect, on steel and/or > reinforced concrete requires an explosive compound with much > greater explosive velocity.... C-4, several types of commercial > blasting gelatin, even TNT. Speed may be important for efficiency, but don't discount brute force. A sufficiently powerful bulldozer moving at .1 mph could knock down those exposed support columns out front. Likewise a sufficiently strong ammonium nitrate blast can do it. Once the columns fall, the whole front of the building will collapse. Columns like this are built to withstand compressive force from above. Strength against side impact is not the principle design goal. > If you observed the news footage of the Murray Federal Building > after the blast, you may have noticed that the damage was > configured in a semi-cylindrical fashion, rather than the conic > section which would have resulted from a ground placed charge of > sufficient strength. A semi-cylinder IS a conic section. What you may have meant is that the blast should have carved out a spherical section of the building. But of course, once the lower floors are destroyed, the upper floors collapse. So a roughly cylindrical section is exactly what you would expect. > Consider that the placement of the array of charges necessary to > simultaneously shatter several dozen large bearing members in the > building would have required several hours for a well trained > demolition team, not to mention unlimited access to the building > after hours. And you're saying the government did this, when nobody was looking. > Seismographs recorded TWO impacts that day, several minutes apart. This is total bullshit. This fact alone shows that the poster hasn't done his research. Besides, it doesn't make sense. What was supposed to be the purpose of the two blasts? What was supposed to be happening during the "several minutes" between the two blasts? Wouldn't you think people would get out of the building after the first blast? Why didn't any of the survivors report two blasts? What this is, is a garbling of a report of a nearby seismometer showing two ground waves a few SECONDS apart. This can be explained by the building taking a few seconds to collapse. It could be a seismological artifact as well, an echo from a deeper rock stratum. You'd need to get an expert seismologist to analyze the trace. A real expert, not the bogus "explosives expert" who supposedly wrote this. > 6) McVeigh pulled an Oswald. Quit crediting him with success. The idea that McVeigh is intentionally taking the fall for this is a real reach. First, where is his reward? He's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. What is his motivation for not talking, and for getting involved in this in the first place? Also, much testimony has established that McVeigh was deeply affected by the Waco killings, as were many of us. Such a person would not have wanted to cooperate with the government. You have to assume that he was just pretending to be upset by Waco, that this conspiracy goes back for years. Now you've got Nichols involved, and he has to be convinced not to reveal the truth, either. Fortier was involved in the planning, as was his wife. It's a totally unmanageable situation. At least with the Oswald story, they killed the guy who could have spilled the beans. With McVeigh, he or his buddies could talk at any time. It's all speculation built upon improbability. Anybody who believes this stuff is an idiot.

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RE: CIA - Some Questions
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, In response to your upcoming questions, I have prepared the following materials: > Does the Central Intelligence Agency engage in assassinations? No. Executive Order No. 12333 explicitly prohibits the Central Intelligence Agency from engaging, either directly or indirectly, in assassinations. Interna oversight process assure compliance. > Does the Central Intelligence Agency engage in drug trafficking? No. In fact, the Central Intelligence Agency assists the US Government effort t providing intelligence information to the Drug Enforcement Administration, the the State Department. Regards, J Smith (Esq).

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Re: I have something to say.
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)nsm.htp.org wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:28:02 GMT gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. > Burnore) wrote: > > >On 15 Nov 1997 04:21:40 -0800, rfg(a)monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) wrote: > > > >: In article <64ajuv$r9(a)newspeer2.dearborn.agis.net>, > >: Harold <harold(a)agis.net> wrote: > >: >I am taking back the statement I made. Not everyone here is pathetic. > >: > >: Gee! That's mighty white of you. > > > >Again with the bigoted, racist remarks, eh? > > > Poor sorry asshole netscum Gary L. Burnore, <gburnore@databasix> <gburnore(a)netcom.com>. > Just can't get over making substantially less money than Ron. > Why the hell don't you layoff Guilmette and get a fucking life for yourself. > Haven't you done enough damage to him and anonymous remailers you fucking piece of shit. > > <cue netscum gburnore lame response> Yeah, but poor Ron doesn't have a criminal arrest record like Gary does, despite Gary Burnore's unproven accusations, "big lie" campaign, crank calls to the FBI, etc. Gary's charges get more and more fanciful. Did you read the one where he accused Ron of abusing some "teenage girl" at DataBasix. Not a shred of evidence for his lies, of course. Fortunately for him, Netcom harbors net abusers and Gary had to suddenly leave California for North Carolina after his arrest in San Francisco. And there's his faithful sidekick, Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>, who's now posting with this forged line in her headers: > Organization: Boycott E-Scrub Technologies. The owner is an admitted spambaiter. This is the same looney maroon netcop who whined when somebody started posting a URL from the AIDS Action League advocating a boycott of Gary Burnore's ex-employer, Wells Fargo Bank in San Francisco. And then Gary has the nerve to call someone "racist" and "bigoted"? These two net abusers richly deserve their NetScum pages: http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/burnorg0.html http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/bryanb0.html --

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Re: A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To buttress suggestions for simulating the OKC bombing, here's an SAIC press release of August 1997 on a training program for disaster handling: SAIC AND TEEX TO PROVIDE ANTI-TERRORISM TRAINING TO FIRST RESPONDERS (MCLEAN, VA) Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) has signed an agreement with the Texas Engineering Extension Service (TEEX) to prepare civilian emergency responders for possible terrorist events. Under the agreement, SAIC and its teaming partners will provide training to firefighters and other first response personnel in the latest technologies for addressing chemical and biological terrorism. As the leader of the team, TEEX will hold training classes at Texas A&M University's Emergency Response Training Field at College Station, Texas, where firefighters and rescue workers will train in virtual reality simulators on the effects of chemical and biological weapons. TEEX, which is a member of the Texas A&M University System, annually provides training to 129,000 individuals and last year provided fire, rescue and hazardous materials training nationally and internationally to more than 28,000 responders. "The United States has been fortunate in that it has not had a successful terrorist attack perpetrated against it using biological or chemical agents," said G. Kemble Bennett, TEEX's CEO who oversees the 120-acre Brayton Fire Training Field. "However, experts agree that it is only a matter of time." "As a leader in chemical and biological warfare agent accident, response and assistance training for military and civilian emergency response agencies, SAIC can offer expert guidance to responders," said William L. Chadsey, senior vice president at SAIC. "Our company has provided emergency planning and consultative services to personnel and public service organizations worldwide." In September, U.S. Representative Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) is expected to introduce a bill in Congress to designate the training field at Texas A&M and its facilities as The National Training Center for Urban Search and Rescue. The new center is expected to feature building collapse simulators and a facility dubbed "Disaster City" to prepare responders to handle earthquakes and bombings in addition to chemical and biological agents. If approved, Rep. Weldon¹s bill also is likely to facilitate the release of information from Bechtel Nevada at the Nevada Test Site about the handling of nuclear materials. Speaking at the signing ceremony, Fire Chief Gary Marrs of Oklahoma City, Okla., said, "The first responders in our communities, and specifically our firefighters, are tasked to respond and make a difference when disasters occur. Until the training and equipment, utilizing the latest in technology, get down to the street level, we put our responders at an extreme disadvantage and endanger their lives. I am encouraged to see these types of cooperative efforts make this training and technology available to the men and women of the fire service who protect our cities daily." Marrs, who managed the fire and rescue mission at the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, chairs the Urban Search and Rescue Committee for the International Association of Fire Chiefs located in Fairfax, Va. http://www.saic.com/publications/news/aug97/news08-06-97.html

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Pepper Sprays/ Personal Security Products
by ascan8506＠msn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri confessed: >Above Tom's restaurant, on 112th and Broadway. I worked for 7 years upstairs >from that restaurant in a very secret organization. I'm socked they even >show that building on TV. :-) You bet, that secret org is well-known among CU pick-up artists as a swell place to pick up socks ... well, more than that and sudden death's your next shock.

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House panel puts Clinton's private fax online
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.rollcall.com/newsscoops/leadscoop.html House Panel Puts Clinton's Private Fax on the Internet By Ed Henry and Jennifer Bradley President Clinton's private fax number was placed on the Internet by the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee for a brief time Tuesday in a breach that has infuriated White House officials. The number for the fax machine that sits right outside the Oval Office was provided to Government Reform and Oversight investigators by former Clinton political consultant Dick Morris, during an August deposition, on the condition that it be kept private. But the fax number, which Clinton uses for secure communications with old friends and people he meets during trips around the nation, was left in the deposition made public Tuesday on the Internet. "I can say on the President's behalf that he's disappointed that the committee didn't respect the confidentiality of his number," White House spokesman Mike McCurry said in an interview. "This is very troubling to the White House." After being contacted by Roll Call with the President's private number on Tuesday evening, McCurry did some checking and called back within a few minutes to declare, "Unfortunately it's a match." McCurry complained that the White House will now have to change the number and try to track down all of the disparate people who use the number. "This basically has the potential to ruin a device the President has used as a real good sounding board," he said. McCurry suggested this was an example of Government Reform and Oversight Chairman Dan Burton's (R-Ind) recklessness. [...]

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Junior Jim Bells in Training
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two more future cypherpunks added to the list of people who will someday "McVeigh" Washington, DC. I'm surprised sending a flame to one of our elected leadership's public email addresses is not already a death penalty offense. ----- CORDOVA, Tenn. (AP) -- Two 13-year-old boys are charged with sending a threatening e-mail message over the Internet to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Contents of the electronic mail message to the president's wife haven't been released, but U.S. Secret Service agents are expected to outline them during a hearing Monday in Juvenile Court. The youngsters, whose names have not been released, are charged with threatening and harassing Mrs. Clinton. They could face a fine, counseling, community service or detention. Officials say it's unlikely that the president's wife read the message, which was sent last month. Anyone with a computer, modem and an Internet service provider can access the White House Web Page and Mrs. Clinton's E-mail address. Her page includes photos, a biography, speeches and instructions on sending an electronic message. ``The Internet is a wonderful tool that not only enables you to better access information about the White House, but also gives us an opportunity to hear your ideas and better serve you,'' Mrs. Clinton says in the welcoming text of her Web page. Senders must include a name, address and other information about why they're writing. All senders receive an electronic message acknowledging receipt of the e-mail. It was not clear whether the boys included their own names and addresses, but authorities say tracing e-mail is relatively easy. ``We aggressively investigate any threats or incidents of unusual interest toward any of our protectees,'' said Steven Rutledge, special agent in charge of the Secret Service in this area. Cordova is about 15 miles east of Memphis. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:45 AM 11/22/97 EST, you wrote: > >TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> writes: > >> Is it a mere coincidence that algebra.com went down and proceeded to >> send out all received messages in reverse order on the _same_day_ >> that the Seinfield TV show featured a reverse-order-plot show? > >I don't watch much TV, especially comedies. However I accidentally saw a >bit of "Seinfield" the other day and was surprise to note that they picture >Tom's restaurant, on 112th and Broadway. I worked for 7 years upstairs >from that restaurant in a very secret organization. I'm socked they even >show that building on TV. :-) > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > > Is Dimitri a cossack? a cossock?, a cocksock?, or just a cocksucker? Typos the bane of understanding on the net.

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