December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by lurker＠ottoman.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 30, 1997 Web posted at: 9:34 p.m. EST (0234 GMT) ROBY, Illinois (CNN) -- Shirley A. Allen, a mentally disturbed woman who held police off for 39 days with a shotgun and entertained herself by listening to public radio, was captured Thursday and taken to a hospital. "The good news is she's safe," said Terrance Gainer, Illinois state police director. "The great news is nobody got seriously hurt or killed." The standoff ended when Allen ventured out on the deck behind her home to throw away food and water left for her by the police. On her third trip, she stooped to cut a wire attached to a pail in which a police camera was hidden. A trooper fired six rubber bullets at her, striking her two or three times and knocking her to the deck, where she was captured. Gainer said that Allen, who wore a full camouflage suit padded with a pillow and magazines, was examined at a hospital and reported to be in good condition was feisty enough after the ordeal to scold police for their tactics during the standoff. Gainer said she is still in custody and will undergo a psychiatric examination. "I think she's probably as relieved right now as we are that this is over," said Allen's brother, Byron Dugger, who talked with her after she was captured. Gainer said Allen asked Dugger to open his mouth to prove he wasn't someone wearing a mask that looked like him. 'They have zapped my head with radar' The standoff in this small central Illinois town began September 22 when Allen, 51, brandished a shotgun as her brother and sheriff's deputies tried to take her in for a court-ordered evaluation. Allen's relatives were concerned because she had become increasingly depressed and paranoid since her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989. More recently, she had refused to see or talk to her brother or her 86-year-old mother. In a letter to her mother in May 1996, Allen wrote, "They have zapped my head with radar. I have swelling and inflammation of the brain." She did not say who "they" were, but when police offered her water after she was captured, she said "the helicopters" told her not to drink it. There were no helicopters in sight, but she finally drank the water after troopers drank some to prove it wasn't poisoned. She told them she hadn't eaten or had anything to drink in three days. Allen also talked to her daughter, Kate Waddell, after she was captured. "But she wasn't quite sure it was Mrs. Waddell," Gainer said. Allen's case attracted the sympathy of many neighbors and became a rallying point for some who called it "Roby Ridge," likening it to shootouts at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, as an example of overzealous law enforcement. Standoff cost taxpayers about $1 million Others questioned the expense of the standoff. Gainer tackled that one head-on at a news conference Thursday, saying it was about $15,000 a day. He estimated the total cost of the operation at $750,000 to $1 million. Obviously relieved that Allen was taken alive, an unapologetic Gainer said, "But I don't think Mrs. Shirley Allen is worth a cent less than that." Police tried to get Allen out of her green frame farmhouse with tear gas, pepper spray and music. They also tried to coax her out with a visit from her favorite stepdaughter. This week, they began giving her food and restored her power, which had been shut off earlier, in a goodwill gesture they hoped would calm her down. Allen had fought off tear gas by smearing her face with petroleum jelly and withstood beanbag bullets by wearing heavy layers of clothing. She apparently slept in a sleeping bag in the living room -- the room where her husband died -- and had two transistor radios with earplugs. Gainer said the radios were tuned to a local public radio station. Protesters gathered daily to support her and criticized the police. 'Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be' "The good feeling is it's over for her. The bad feeling is how she's going to be trapped after this is over with," said John Powers, a neighbor and one of the protesters. "We don't know if they'll treat her as a person who is sane or as a person who tried to shoot their dog." Although Allen fired at state troopers and wounded a police dog sent into her home Sunday, "it would serve no useful purpose to charge her," Gainer said. "Given what we have known from Day 1, Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be right now." Reporter Lisa Price and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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by lurker＠ottoman.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 30, 1997 Web posted at: 9:34 p.m. EST (0234 GMT) ROBY, Illinois (CNN) -- Shirley A. Allen, a mentally disturbed woman who held police off for 39 days with a shotgun and entertained herself by listening to public radio, was captured Thursday and taken to a hospital. "The good news is she's safe," said Terrance Gainer, Illinois state police director. "The great news is nobody got seriously hurt or killed." The standoff ended when Allen ventured out on the deck behind her home to throw away food and water left for her by the police. On her third trip, she stooped to cut a wire attached to a pail in which a police camera was hidden. A trooper fired six rubber bullets at her, striking her two or three times and knocking her to the deck, where she was captured. Gainer said that Allen, who wore a full camouflage suit padded with a pillow and magazines, was examined at a hospital and reported to be in good condition was feisty enough after the ordeal to scold police for their tactics during the standoff. Gainer said she is still in custody and will undergo a psychiatric examination. "I think she's probably as relieved right now as we are that this is over," said Allen's brother, Byron Dugger, who talked with her after she was captured. Gainer said Allen asked Dugger to open his mouth to prove he wasn't someone wearing a mask that looked like him. 'They have zapped my head with radar' The standoff in this small central Illinois town began September 22 when Allen, 51, brandished a shotgun as her brother and sheriff's deputies tried to take her in for a court-ordered evaluation. Allen's relatives were concerned because she had become increasingly depressed and paranoid since her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989. More recently, she had refused to see or talk to her brother or her 86-year-old mother. In a letter to her mother in May 1996, Allen wrote, "They have zapped my head with radar. I have swelling and inflammation of the brain." She did not say who "they" were, but when police offered her water after she was captured, she said "the helicopters" told her not to drink it. There were no helicopters in sight, but she finally drank the water after troopers drank some to prove it wasn't poisoned. She told them she hadn't eaten or had anything to drink in three days. Allen also talked to her daughter, Kate Waddell, after she was captured. "But she wasn't quite sure it was Mrs. Waddell," Gainer said. Allen's case attracted the sympathy of many neighbors and became a rallying point for some who called it "Roby Ridge," likening it to shootouts at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, as an example of overzealous law enforcement. Standoff cost taxpayers about $1 million Others questioned the expense of the standoff. Gainer tackled that one head-on at a news conference Thursday, saying it was about $15,000 a day. He estimated the total cost of the operation at $750,000 to $1 million. Obviously relieved that Allen was taken alive, an unapologetic Gainer said, "But I don't think Mrs. Shirley Allen is worth a cent less than that." Police tried to get Allen out of her green frame farmhouse with tear gas, pepper spray and music. They also tried to coax her out with a visit from her favorite stepdaughter. This week, they began giving her food and restored her power, which had been shut off earlier, in a goodwill gesture they hoped would calm her down. Allen had fought off tear gas by smearing her face with petroleum jelly and withstood beanbag bullets by wearing heavy layers of clothing. She apparently slept in a sleeping bag in the living room -- the room where her husband died -- and had two transistor radios with earplugs. Gainer said the radios were tuned to a local public radio station. Protesters gathered daily to support her and criticized the police. 'Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be' "The good feeling is it's over for her. The bad feeling is how she's going to be trapped after this is over with," said John Powers, a neighbor and one of the protesters. "We don't know if they'll treat her as a person who is sane or as a person who tried to shoot their dog." Although Allen fired at state troopers and wounded a police dog sent into her home Sunday, "it would serve no useful purpose to charge her," Gainer said. "Given what we have known from Day 1, Mrs. Allen is where she needs to be right now." Reporter Lisa Price and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Small is beautiful
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----Forwarded message from /nev/dull(a)cats.ucsc.edu----- 1997-10-04 Million Microbe March We are proud to announce the Million Microbe March. On December 29, 1997, a crowd of one million microbes will converge on Bethesda, Maryland. They will meet there on the lawn of the National Institutes of Health, and spend the entire day expressing solidarity, atonement, and genes. This is NOT going to be a celebration of diversity. While it is true that microbes have participated in the Million Man March, the Million Woman March, the Promisekeepers' March, and other anthropocentric marches, the Million Microbe March is just for microbes. There is a large spiritual aspect to the March. Too long have too many denied the spiritual nature of the microbial community. Too often have microbes been tormented or killed because otherwise compassionate beings denied the simple fact that microbes have souls. We ask you to please remember the official slogan of the Million Microbe March. If you or one near to you is going on the March, please chant the slogan long, loud, and often: Small is beautiful. Small is beautiful. Small is beautiful. -----End of forwarded message----- -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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Archives?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there an archive of various papers concerning such things as Assassination Politics, Eternity Servers, Reputation Capital, The Blowfish Cipher, CROWDS, encryption of IP traffic, etc.?

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Re: What Will Revolution Look Like?
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >No, the revolution, when it comes, will likely be different from anything >quite like we've seen to date. .................................................... In the revolution against the British, the U.S. was a small colony sitting on a vast "new" land, with the Natives but a minor obstacle to expansion. Presently there is no such unoccupied place which could be claimed for the cause of liberty, and revolutionaries are sitting in the middle of the enemy camp, surrounded everywhere by people who "just want to save lives". You could temporarily send a political message and get your names in the news, but then totally lose the war from being outnumbered and overwhelmed by non-sympathizers. A long time ago it was possible, given the distance of water and land between peoples, to make a break with them physically. The enemy could be driven out, sent "home", and the winners could develop their new living arrangements in the new setting. But there is no new setting to go to, there is nowhere to send the infidels. The life of a new libertarian "society" would have to be created as a virtual one, existing among or in-between the others. Of course the basis of the original setup is still mentioned every once in a while, and so it is still in the minds of everyone, even if only as a dim reference, so it could be said that the most a current revolution could accomplish would be the return of the original ideal to the minds of the population. But I think that it would take much more than a few skirmishes to accomplish that, as it doesn't appear that it carries all that much support. It would be like getting a kid to take down some medicine; many don't really want to live so independently, nor feel the need to identify what kind of life would be the more ideal (i.e. they don't identify precisely the difference between a socialist atmosphere and a libertarian one, nor concern themselves with why they should spend any time worrying about the difference it makes.) An intentional revolution, I fear, would just look like an attempt to make people think. And therefore not taken too seriously. (And if the revolutionaires lose? tough luck. Oh, well. Gotta go to work in the morning.) .. Blanc

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Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > > At 9:14 PM -0700 10/30/97, Anonymous wrote: > > > This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed > >upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions > >of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose > >to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding > >to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation > >of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny. > > Excuse me, but this modern notion that protestors get to "make a deal" > about the fines they'll eventually pay is bogus. If they're trespassing, > they're trespassing. They don't get to take over Intel's factory, chain > themselves to the Evil Factory doors, and then make a deal to pay some > token fine. Perhaps I was unclear, but I was refering to the _ancient_ notion that once one has crawled out of the primeval swamp and begun to walk upright, that they should work on controlling their animal passions to the extent that they abide by the agreements they have sworn to uphold, regardless of whether the people they are being paid to serve have pissed them off. Am I mistaken in my impression that they did not take over Intel's factory? How is your mind holding up, Tim? Can you remember details of your life that don't have to do with Intel? {Not that I haven't sunken in to remeniscing about my life during several posts today. I suppose it is only a matter of time until we are all Grouchy Old Cypherpunks inundating the list with posts about who died, who has prostrate cancer, and who broke their hip trying to close that darned new-fangled nuclear suitcase.} > Like the AIDS protestors who "arrange" a deal whereby they'll shut down the > Golden Gate Bridge for several hours and then pay their arranged $50 > tickets. Do you know about some 'deal' of which I am not aware in this situation or shall we discuss the _real_ events which took place in Humboldt? > Well, what's wrong with me driving up to the head of the sit-down protest > and saying to the cops standing idly by, "Hey, there are some queers in the > middle of the road, blocking my trip to Marin. If you're just gonna let em > sit there for hours, putting my business and plans at risk, I'm just gonna > gun my engine and drive right over their fairy asses." To tell the truth, I really don't have any problem with _you_ doing so. I _would_ have a problem with the cops doing so, however, which is a point I am trying to make. It may be the policeman's job and/or duty to arrest and imprison the people involved, but it is in no way their duty or right to _punish_ the people by invoking a level of violence which is not necessary to accomplish the job. I don't really care if it is _difficult_ for the policemen to deal with the physical details of imprisoning the people. And I don't have a lot of sympathy for the protesters if they get bumped and bruised in the process of the police honestly doing their job. However, it is unconscienable for officers to inflict pain and suffering on the protesters for no other reason than to punish them for making the policeman's job difficult and defying authority. > Crimes are crimes, not "guerilla theater." Not "performance art." Such as dumping tea in Boston harbor to protest oppressive taxation? > > Twenty years or so ago, after seeing pictures of mothers and > >children in chains at a Livermore Labs protest, I wrote a song > >called "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey." > > I had a much better idea back then. Leave the mothers and childrens chained > to the fences and gates. > > Pull back from them, erect a cordon around them, and block anyone from > approaching. They wanted to be chained to the fence, sans keys, so let > them have their wish. Fucking eh! I wish you had been in charge back then. I thought it was ridiculous for LEA's to play to protesters desires by escalating situations beyond what was really needed because of some perceived threat to their authority. > Others could show up to throw stuff at them, and place bets on who would be > the last to die. > > And, as the flesh dripped off and the bones whitened, it might be a nice > object lesson for the others. Say, that's not a 'red bandana' on your neck, is it? WhiteSocksAndBlueRibbonBeerMonger

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Re: What Will Revolution Look Like?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Preindicators to revolution and anti-revolution in US: World's highest disparity between poor and rich population. World's highest military expenditures. World's highest justice expenditures. World's largest percentage of population in prison. World's largets percentage of population in law enforcement. World's largest percentage of work force as private guards. World's largest number of guns in private hands. World's largest number of guns in law enforcement hands. World's greatest number of lawyers. World's greatest number of laws. World's greatest number of lawbreakers. World's highest violent crime rate. World's highest "postals." World's highest homicide rate against family members. World's highest homicide rate against authority members. World's greatest percentage of unwed mothers (and absent fathers). World's greatest percentage of men who do not pay child support. World's highest divorce rate. World's highest multiple marriage rate. World's largest number of institutionalized children. World's largest number of psychiatric patients. World's largest number of legal drugs consumers. World's largest number of illegal drugs consumers. World's largest number of protestors. World's largest number of anti-protestors. World's largest percentage of unresponsive population. World's largest percentage of blind faith population.

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Re: PGP 5.5 available outside US
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > Let me state that I am not now, nor have I ever been, an employee of PGP. I knew that! I must have eaten too many of the yellow ones tonight to keep track of my Crayola lines. I'd better eat a couple more of the red ones to get myself back on track. > I simply noticed what I thought to be PGP 5.5 on a well known FTP site. > Sorry if it was a dud. Thanks for the pointer, just the same. > -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. > "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?" Oh, I see my mistake! I had Caesar, wearing a 'Toga', connected to the anti-Christ with a red Crayola line, and mistook it for 'Tonga'. No problem, I'll just eat a couple of the brown Crayola's and throw three Hail Flutie's. Still Anonymous (except to Lucky)

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Ashcroft on Crypto TV
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

News report: This weekend, Washington Watch, Court TVs public affairs program covering legal and judicial policy in the nations capital, will feature a discussion with Senator John Ashcroft (R-MO). The senator will discuss encryption, intellectual property on the internet, and his opposition to the nomination of Margaret Morrow, a Los Angeles business lawyer and former state bar association president selected by President Clinton for a federal judgeship.

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Jim Bell sentencing delayed
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to PACER, Jim Bell's sentencing has been postponed yet again; the sentencing was originally scheduled for 9/17, which was continued to 10/31, which was continued (via an order on 10/24) until 11/21/97 at 9:00 AM. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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