December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Tech banner IBM Reinventing Education rule GOVERNORS WARN COLLECTING INTERNET TAXES WOULDN'T BE EASY Internet taxes October 17, 1997 Web posted at: 11:12 p.m. EDT (0312 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's governors and local officials, already having difficulty collecting taxes on catalog sales, said Friday a bill aimed at restricting new taxes on the Internet would worsen their problems. "It's very similar," Republican Gov. George V. Voinovich of Ohio said at a press briefing. "We've had an ongoing problem in terms of how to handle that. We've been continuing to try and work that out with those businesses in the states that have the large mail-order catalogs." The National Governors' Association estimates states lose $4 billion in sales taxes annually from catalog sales. That's because states, cities and counties generally lack the authority to capture sales taxes on such sales if the catalog business is headquartered out of state. That problem could only intensify based on the projected growth of electronic commerce. Voinovich cited one estimate of $1.5 trillion in sales on the Internet by 2002. "I don't think this is the time for the federal Congress to rush into something that will have such a huge impact on state and local government," he said. Joining Voinovich to oppose the Internet tax bill were leaders from the National Association of Counties, National League of Cities and U.S. Conference of Mayors. Rep. Chris Cox, a Republican from California, and Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, have sponsored similar bills that would bar any new taxes on computer transactions -- such as taxes on Internet access or online services -- for an unspecified time while Congress studies the whole issue. The bill would make an exception to the moratorium for income earned through an Internet service; local business license taxes, if the Internet provider is located within the appropriate jurisdiction; and sales or use taxes, so long as they are the same as charged for mail or telephone orders. "We would love to have the bill say what the sponsors say it says," said Brian J. O'Neill, a Philadelphia city councilman, representing the National League of Cities. But O'Neill and others say the technical language of the bill contains a broad pre-emption of state and local taxes. Wyden spokesman David Seldin strongly disagrees. "We have bent over backwards to clarify language of the bill so there can be no questions" that local governments retain authority to levy the same taxes on the Internet that are assessed on catalog sales, Seldin said. The bill seeks to halt new local taxes aimed specifically at Internet businesses. One National Governors' Association official said the bill's wording would worsen the states' problem of collecting sales taxes on catalog sales. "We know that we have to sit down with the industry and make the sales tax work on Main Street, on catalogs and on Internet, in some simplified, clear and technologically neutral way," said Tim Masanz of the association's economic development group. "If Congress goes on record and says that Internet sales are the equivalent of catalog mail-order sales, those talks are doomed," he added. "I can understand their desire to fight that battle but it would certainly not do much good to create a situation where you are favoring one at-home purchase over another," said Seldin. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related story: * House panels back Internet taxation bill - October 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * THOMAS - Legislative Information on the Internet + HR 1054 - Internet Tax Freedom Act * U.S. House of Representatives + Commerce Committee + Judiciary Committee * National Governors' Association * National League of Cities External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Watch these shows on CNN for more sci-tech stories: CNN Computer Connection | Future Watch | Science & Technology Week rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] IBM Reinventing Education rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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A quote...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The politics of those whose goal is beyond time are always pacific; it is the idolaters of past and future, of reactionary memory and utopian dream, who do the persecuting and make the wars. Perennial Philosophy Aldous Huxley ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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LJFLJF
by Six 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lying Nazi Fuck Freeh wrote: > Subject: Freeh letter to NYT > [From www.nytimes.com, Oct. 16, 1997] > > To the Editor: > > "An Attack on Privacy Rights" > (editorial, Oct. 3) > argues that the approach to encryption that the law enforcement > community is advocating has somehow "put the need to eavesdrop > on criminals above the privacy rights of ordinary Americans." > Nothing could be further from the truth. How about the fact that you are the director of an organization that actively sought to sabatoge the civil rights movement by, among other things, encouraging Martin Luther King to commit suicide? Is that close enough to the truth for you? > You fail to mention that the same court-ordered, judicially > approved procedures that now apply to wiretaps and electronic > data searches would also apply to our ability to obtain > decryption keys or information. No they wouldn't you lying, scumbag, Nazi piece of shit. You are *already* doing these things without *any* type of legal authority to justify your criminal actions, and will continue to do so? > Encryption that cannot be deciphered > regardless of the number of court orders or new technologies > obtained by the police will devastate our ability to fight crime > and prevent terrorism. Right. You can't find airplanes containing tons of drugs, you can't keep drugs from being sold on the streets and in schoolyards, you claim to have a list of all of these *known* pedophiles, but yet they are all running free, even though you know about them. This, despite all of the fascist, unconstitutional powers you have stolen from the citizen's right to freedom and privacy. Yet you have the fucking nerve to suggest that giving LEA's the ability to monitor all of our private communications, at will, is going to stop crime. Buy a fucking clue, shit for brains. All of the parts of the Constituion you have trampled underfoot, claiming you needed this to fight drug dealers, has resulted in the lowest street prices for heroin in decades. I'll make you a deal. If you can get the street price of a gram of cocaine up to $300.00 a gram, using your current fascist, unconstitutional powers, I'll support you getting the rest of the citizens' rights under your jackboots. > It will nullify the ability to carry out > court-authorized searches and seizures of criminal communication > and electronic evidence. No. It will nullify the ability to carry out UN-authorized searches and seizures of non-criminal communications. > We are not wedded to any particular > solution, but feel that some workable solution can be found to > insure that law enforcement can gain immediate access to the > plaintext of encrypted criminal communication or electronic data > that we have lawfully seized. Are the keys to the privacy of every living being on earth going to be kept on the FBI computer system that was hacked, the CIA computer system that was hacked, the DOJ computer system that was hacked...? So that corporations know whether to support your plans for Government Access to Korporate bungholes, would you please publicize a list of *which* corporations you have defrauded and brought to financial ruin by accessing and manipulating their financial data and assets because you disagree with their actions? How about a list of the corporations that you plan to do this to in the future? Oh...never mind. I forgot that today's allies are tomorrow's enemies, and vice-versa, so I guess that *any* corporation could be a future target of government attack. How do you brazen, Nazi cocksuckers find the audacity to announce to God and everybody that you are fucking over people and nations around the world by inserting bad mechanical parts into the supply system, trashing the finances of individuals and companies around the world that you have a hard-on for (today), that Swinestein has put the vote on encryption issues that the citizens gave her, into *your* hands, and then tell the citizens they can expect to be more 'secure' if they give you dictatorial powers over all of their communications and data? Who will be in control of access to the whole world's communications and data? Will it be the FBI guy who just went to jail for destroying evidence and perverting justice? Will it be the DOJ people who ruined the INSLAW corporation in order to STEAL their software? Or the DOJ people who subverted justice by defying our elected leaders in Congress during their investigation? Tell us, Lying Jackoff Fuck Louis J. Freeh... *Which* of the LEA officials who commit criminal acts and subvert justice in the US will be in charge of access to the citizen's right to privacy and freedom from fascist search and seizure. Bonus Question: "How many bodies does it take to spell, 'I *TOLD* you I was crazy!" Bonus Prize: 1 Freeh Bullet 6ualdv8 ~~~~~~~ > LOUIS J. FREEH > Dir., Federal Bureau of Investigation > Washington, Oct. 10, 1997 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > How can he say this with a straight face? > > >In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge > >before we proceed, not just one as now required. > > The DOJ proposal, sect 302, says: > > (A) A Key Recovery Agent, whether or not registered by the Secretary > under this Act, shall disclose recovery information stored by a person: > (1) ...; or > (2) to a law enforcement or national security government agency > upon receipt of written authorization in a form to be specified by > the Attorney General. > > It also contradicts his final sentence: > > >... some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can > >gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication > >or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. > > The term "immediate access" means without having to goto a judge. > > Roger

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Been tried before?
by Andrew Wiggin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I had an idea for a key system using graphics files. Has that been tried before? The basic idea was to use a graphics file with a color depth of 24-bit or higher. Then, using the rgb values of, say, every prime pixel (i.e. the first pixel, then the second....then the seventh, then the eleventh) or something like that to create a stream of numbers the feed into the cipher which would be highly erratic. A similar looking picture would not work, as the rgb values would be (I assume) hard to guess, and even if you came close, you would have to get the right order. If you used a graphics file format similar to PNG, for instance, you could even include alpha channels. Am I just shooting my mouth off, or does this sound like something that would work? I'm wondering if this has been tried before and if it would be worth programming out. --Drew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >You have a dual concern: you are trying to protect against big brother >and against little brother. At the technical level, is there a meaningful difference between the brothers? Aren't we really talking about third-party access to communications, and second-party access to stored data ... with the "brother" distinction being one made at a social/political level, as a judgement about the legitimacy of the access or the size of the actor, rather than the character of the access? -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:25:39 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! > > Meanwhile, there is a cypherpunks-j(a)htp.org, in Japanese, > and there's probably still a cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org in English, > though the last time I checked it, it had been > mostly a mirror for the cypherpunks list with almost no independent content, > and its mail gateway broke badly and splattered all over its subscribers. What is your problem Bill regarding cypherpunks-e you've made accussatory comments regarding that list a couple of times now? It is simply another member of the CDR just like SSZ or algebra.com - is your claim that each of these has their own indipendant content? If so, catch a clue and realize they don't unless their broke somehow and quit forwarding. If somebody on cypherpunks-e submits something it gets gatewayed through SSZ (and hopefuly others by now) just like traffic from one of the other member remailers. I wanted to gateway cypherpunks-j as well but we decided folks might get confused if there were something other than english on here. And considering both the -e and -j are in Japan, new, and relatively unadvertised does it really suprise you that they don't have a lot of English based traffic from that end? You must be the one(s) who keeps subscribing and unsubscribing to the 3 US remailers from a variety of (forged?) aliases in the hopes of carrying on the 'moderation experiment' meme. Or perhaps your hope is to catch one of us down and claim we're filtering because the traffic didn't show up from three different sources. I can't speak for the other CDR operators but I can say that SSZ cache's all mail originating on this end and sends it out to the other remailer sites as soon as we come back online. So nothing gets missed from SSZ. My internet provider is supposed to be cache'ing incoming mail to SSZ if we go down and I hope the other remailers also cache their mail as well. If not, oh well, I 'm not going to miss any sleep over it. Just in case you missed it the other day, I believe Igor has started gatewaying a new remailer as well because I saw a 'Test' message from a cypherpunks mailing list I didn't recognize as one of the known remailer hosts. If so that means we're at 5 remailers in the network. One of them in Japan, which meets at least one of our goals to get a remailer node outside the US. This is a GOOD thing. My offer to gateway the CDR to any site that requests the subscription stands. So, if you are operating a remailer with only a single feed point and that point is not currently SSZ please send me email and I'll add your site to my re-send list. As to cypherpunks-e, one of the other CDR sites should consider adding them to their re-send/subscription list. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ps Regarding SSZ's downtime yesterday, at this point don't have a clue why the system crashed without warning and then cored when it came back up. Once I got home and did a hard reboot it has worked without a glitch. Though we still have intermittent droppages of the ISDN link lasting 1-5 minutes. I have turned in another trouble call to SWBT in the hopes of them fixing it. That makes the 5th ISDN trouble ticket in 4 weeks. I think SWBT gets lonely if I don't call them at least once a week or else their field folks really have forgotten how to write...

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17 Dec '03

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ISDN status - Intermittent (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 18 09:57:09 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199710181457.JAA02252(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: ISDN status - Intermittent To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:57:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1548 Hi, Just talked to SWBT and they apparently show the ISDN line as disconnected. Upon further digging at my request they determined that indeed there had been some sort of cable throw yesterday. They issued me a trouble ticket number and will check the line. Considering the intermittent nature of the drop my suspicion is a bad punch-down. If this is so we should see the line stabalize sometime this afternoon. More as I learn it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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