December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Private Doorbell - Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, August 15, 1998
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bruce Schneier wrote in his newsletter > It seems that every few months we get key-escrow repackaged with a new name. > The latest new name is "Private Doorbell," and the spin is that the keys > are escrowed in the routers. Other than the name, there's really > no difference between this and other key escrow schemes: Based on the talk by Elizabeth Kaufman from Cisco at the Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting, I'd say you're wrong. (I'm pleasantly surprised; this is the first "compromise" I haven't rabidly disliked.) (Elizabeth says not to blame her for the name, it's Cisco's PR folks' fault.) The Private Doorbells proposal says that routers that encrypt have a clear side and a black side, and if you want to wiretap them, you can already wiretap the clear side, so Louis Freeh should be happy enough (since it meets the "legitimate needs of law enforcement", even though it the blocks no-warrant no-knock wiretaps he'd really like) so just give us the export permits we want and stay off our backs. There's no special key escrow in the routers, it's just doing what encrypting routers do already, and if Big Louie wants to wiretap an ISP today, he can try to get a warrant and then do it. It seems to me that there's a minor catch - routers with multiple private-line encrypted interfaces can decrypt and encrypt traffic without ever hauling it through an Ethernet where it'd be easy to tap, but most of those configurations still have an Ethernet somewhere, and any Bad Guy who's doing encryption at the endpoints ought to be using end-to-end encryption anyway. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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by STUFFED/EUREKA! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: European freedoms...
by Rob Carlson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- America is the only country that requires me to be anally violated by one of their official queens as a condition of entry into a country I'm a citizen of. In my view, Americans were fooled into trading their freedom for a piece of paper that everyone roundly ignores. Namely, the Bill of Rights. We should've known America was not a free country when they kept repeating that it was all the time. America is actually a land of intolerant, bigoted people who can't wait to kill their neighbors. While all the time proclaiming themselves to be the most moral and free people in the universe. Don't bother suggesting that I 'Love it or Leave It'. I already have. Rob Carlson <robc(a)xmission.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQCVAwUBNdmOSsymxXJdz3TJAQH2zAP+OdkqB92urN2oEKOVK0Ni+uDtmJeb5Bes mbugAPHVdVbHNiLTuaI8882rAJmSwxQa7cJ0ic2RLfHWlt/meDehEM/PcNL0cmaw UskfE7aIZewURTa3LBBak+gwGhaqEDDZbAGgYfGAiXjMOxBITir67IPbeNIqj+iW p5FwFMHfFsQ= =Z8cJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 18, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM. Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/ for the wireless daily news. Don't miss the major conference on implementing Phase 2 of the E-911 requirement--August 26-27 in San Francisco. For more information, click http://www.wow-com.com/pdf/locntech.pdf ===========================================

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Re: Private Doorbell - Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, August 15, 1998
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:29:12 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >so Louis Freeh should be happy enough >(since it meets the "legitimate needs of law enforcement", Not to bug you personnally, just a comment on the general state of affairs: IMHO, there is no such thing as "legitimate needs of law enforcement" that could justify such a limitation of the freedom of the individuals who had done nothing wrong. "legitimate" in our present context means to "counter things that are presently illegal", notwithstanding that an immense portion of the population, which in essence does not try to get a free ride from some sort of law, do not agree at all with the said law. Somehow, I think that it is time to emphasize our taking of the moral high ground. Ciao jfa Definition: FACISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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email travel information
by Ltisue＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. Thanks, Linda Tisue ltisue(a)aol.com

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have a special. If you line up behind my foot, I'll boot you in the ass all the way to any of the places mentioned. Free of charge. Does that sound like a good special? The best things in life are free, like a foot shoved in your ass. Wouldn't you agree? At 03:27 PM 8/18/98 -0400, Ltisue(a)aol.com wrote: >I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. >I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or >Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. > >Thanks, >Linda Tisue > >ltisue(a)aol.com >

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Re: European freedoms...
by Lars Weitze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yae that's right! But esp. Germany is tending to the same way to "secure" the citys like in New York. -- "One dead is a tragedy, thousand deads are a statistic." Karl Marx e-mail: chromedemon(a)netcologne.de http://chromedemon.home.pages.de http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-weitzela2 -----Original Message----- From: Secret Squirrel <anon(a)squirrel.owl.de> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Date: Montag, 17. August 1998 23:32 Subject: Re: European freedoms... >>With the exception of some lifestyle options Europeans probably have >>less freedoms than Americans. > >How come that the fraction of Americans in prison is ten times higher >than the fraction of West Europeans? > >

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Re:
by FTPPork＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's people like Lt that give AOL a bad name... I am sorry to say I am a part of it, but I just keep it because I don't feel like switching... ah well. At least they have TCP/IP protocols now with Win 95 ex: Hiroshima 45, Tsjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (Please, correct my spelling if I misspelled Tsjernobyl) Anyway, Lt... get real, this is Cypherpunks, not travel.

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No Subject
by Jørgen Spangen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

school suckes

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