December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:13:18 -0800 From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> :When I was in the Perot camp Gotta be Dale! A measure of my health; I admit preferring the invective of Tim and Dr. V. to this purile nonsense. Pablum for the c'punk masses. Ciao

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[IMPORTANT] Zero-knowledge interactive proofs
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Many forgeries are traceable with mathematical certainty to feebleminded Timmy C. May's poison keyboard. .oooO Oooo. ( ) _ _ ( ) \ ( / ) ( \ ) / ----\_)-/ (---) \-(_/---- ( ) ( ) oooO Oooo

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: > My posting seem to be going into Limbo, being sent neither to the > Cypherpunks Heaven Sandy administers nor to the flames of the Cypherpunks > Hell. At least this is how things now appear. > I sent the message below to the list this morning (Thursday) at 8:43 a.m. > PST. As of tonight, 12 hours later, I haven't seen it on either the > Singapore Web site--last archived 30 minutes ago--or on the "Flames" list > to which I have temporarily subscribed (to see what Sandy counts as a > "flame"). Now that a few weeks have passed, I have decided that moderation delays are the most annoying feature of the new experiment. I am subscribed to the unedited list under another account, and its almost instantaneous traffic is in great contrast to the time required for posts to trickle through the Sandfort-Bot. > By the way, I noted that many of the messages which appeared at the > Singapore Web archive site have dates much later than mine, including > several dated at least 8-10 hours after my message. Likewise, some of the > Flames messages are dated much later than my message. Messages apparently do not get moderated in the order in which they are received. Some messages take a very long time, as other later messages pass them by and are posted to the list. Again, I have no explanation for this unusual behavior. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Cool Names, Lost in Flames
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some time ago Human Gus-Peter wrote something that went like this: > I still think that you should just let your kids run your machine or > just pick the guy with the coolest name, like Attila the Hun or > Genocide or OttOmatic. Thanks, Human Gus-peter. I think my name is cool also. I am only suscribeed to the flames list, because my uncle (a secret guy) reads the CENSORED list. This way we can see what the other secret guys are up to, and what kind of KewL StUfF they throw into the Flames Trashcan. Human Gus-peter, I think you should be very careful. They throw everything you write into the trash. That could mean they are watching you. That could be VERY bad for you. We will see where this message goes. otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: 40-bit RC5 crack meaningless??
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Strassmann served on the "Information Warefare - Defense" Task Force sponsored by the Defense Science Board. He has a Web site at: http://www.strassmann.com The IW-D report recounts most of the well-known info-war memes to buttress its plea for more info-warfighting funds, and says that business needs DoD protection. It de-emphasizes the encryption debate, claiming that crypto is not an important part of the problem or the solution. Remailers are not mentioned. Short and long versions of IW-D: http://jya.com/iwd.htm Winn Schwartau's infowar.com offers it too. SAIC was generously represented on the Task Force: Strassmann, Bellcore's head, a couple more. As well as others committed to "raising the bar" against attack on Info-Maginot: http://jya.com/iwdaff.htm

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Re: Waiting for Mac version [was Re: Full strength Email Clients]
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:19 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>At 06:51 PM 2/6/97 +0800, pclow wrote: >>><You want Eudora 3.0 and PGPMail 4.5. [Despite PGP,Inc's best efforts, >>>the >>><brand new PGPMail has escaped from the United States and is now >>>available >>><worldwide.] > >Its too bad there isn't a Mac version contemplated. They appear to think >that existing PGP versions, paired with Eudora, are sufficient. >From their FAQ: 9.What is the status of the Macintosh product? ViaCrypt PGP 2.7.1 is available for the Macintosh today. We are working on a new version for the Macintosh, adding new features and revising the graphical user interface to make it easier to use. The revised Macintosh version will follow the Windows release. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Appointment Verification
by linda wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Which list am I on?
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- antimod (nym): no way to tell what list your receiving from; the software Sandy and John installed to facilitate their un-American activities is hosed. in most cases it fails to apply the correct sender name, defaulting to the main, supposedly censored list. -attila on or about 970207:0930 Against Moderation <antimod(a)nym.alias.net> said: +I thought I was on the cypherpunks edited list. However, I appear to +have seen some of the messages that Tim says got lost. Moreover, I +keep getting ASCII art messages flaming someone with the initials DLV +(though I haven't seen any more of the TCM flames [I haven't looked too +hard, either]). My mail headers have: +>From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com <date> +>Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com +Now I'm really confused. Which list am I on? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBMvt0Tb04kQrCC2kFAQHU3wP+IJE5n2Ypp6WLgxIHX1u0YfFah6fNP+Pz UmToaW0C+mVZLM9S7VpBjwhiyqFCWWpZMbrqAnpkU9/yGCnHnhfjZ1P8I9SZZc0n FmcomIS5BwcDC+Zd+5t4YeOOhqHZPDlqKMsZ/UuKfOeQainfedlvTmNJI2fIqTsy t9jLSuDKWEE= =s+Wc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: WANTED: Tolerant, anonymity-friendly news admins
by lcs Remailer Administrator 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

aga <aga(a)dhp.com> writes: > Who attacked the network and for what reason? Well, as best I can tell I've gotten caught in the crossfire of a spam/"anti-spam" spam war. People are forging articles through anonymous remailers to solicit spam to non-spamming customers of "spam-friendly" ISPs, in the hopes of driving those customers away. In other words, a lot of articles are being posted to groups like alt.make.money.fast with headers like: From: customer(a)isp.under.attack (My^ISP^spams^I^should^switch) Then the spam bots collect the addresses, and send lots of mail like To: customer(a)isp.under.attack (My^ISP^spams^I^should^switch) Subject: Great opportunity!!! My^ISP^spams^I^should^switch, I saw your post the other day, and have an oportunity for you that's so good you can't miss it... It would be amusing if it weren't causing me hassles. Ultimately, however, the person doing this is clearly trying to get ISPs to set more restrictive policies about what mail/news customers can send, while knocking off a few anonymous remailers and mail2news gateways in the process. > Well, just who is cutting you off and for what reason? > And what is their telephone number? At issue here are a number of complicated high-level administrative issues. It's not just that someone is trying to pull the plug on me. I've been asked by someone who is not the one getting the phone calls or exerting anti-mail2news pressure if I would stop using MIT news servers. The reason is that that person needs to maintain good relations with the people who are being harassed over the fogery. I don't really want to go into details. The point is that this situation is a lot more subtle than whether the pro-mail2news people can "out-harrass" the people complaining about forgeries. Therefore, I would sincerely appreciate it if you did not try to make any phone calls or do anything to use up any more of these people's time. I fully intend to keep mail2news running, and am just trying to get more news servers (after having lost one) to maintain reliability and strengthen my position. > Just what is your definition of "abuse?" This got answered in a separate message.

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censorship and headers/example of ascii art which passed filters
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the "message" example which follows is obviously a message which should have been destinated for owner-cypherpunks-flame. there is absolutely no indication of the differentation and the header shows: Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com when it should have shown: Sender: owner-cypherpunks-edited(a)toad.com let's put it this way, if cp is to be censored, might as well do the job correctly as this message was dumped into the main list. regardless, censoring what is supposed to be the free speech defenders of the online world is a poor example of our toleration for differing viewpoints, regardless of their alledged stupidity or off-topic value, or lack of value. So far, cypherpunks is showing less tolerance for freedom of speech that the United State Supreme Court. You all know something I dont? or do I need to start cleaning and oiling real soon? --attila +Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) + by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10780 + for <attila(a)primenet.com>; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 05:23:55 -0700 (MST) +Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id +EAA21727; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from +sirius.infonex.com (root(a)sirius.infonex.com [206.170.114.2]) by +toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA21718; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 +04:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.infonex.net +(dfbfl4-37.gate.net [199.227.103.228]) by sirius.infonex.com +(8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA26850 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Fri, 7 +Feb 1997 04:19:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: +<199702071219.EAA26850(a)sirius.infonex.com> Date: Friday, 07 Feb 97 +07:19:25 EST +To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com +From: winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net (WinSock Remailer) +X-Mailer: WinSock Remailer Version ALPHA1.3 +X-Comments: - +X-Comments: This message is NOT from winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net. It +was X-Comments: remailed by an automated anonymous remailer. +X-Comments: - +X-Comments: SEND ALL COMPLAINTS AND BLOCKING REQUESTS DIRECTLY TO: +X-Comments: REOP-L(a)cornell.edu <Remailer Operator's Network> +X-Comments: - +X-Comments: WinSock Remailer (winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net) +X-Comments: http://www.cyberpass.net/~winsock/ X-Comments: - +X-Remailer-Setup: Maximum Message Size -- None +X-Remailer-Setup: Reordering is ON, Mail Poolsize is 3 +X-Remailer-Setup: News Posting DISABLED +X-Remailer-Setup: Subject Header KILLED +X-Remailer-Setup: Logging OFF +X-Remailer-Setup: All messages must be PGP encrypted +Subject: Re: Sphere packings +Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com +Precedence: bulk +X-UIDL: e2bae6a70f8b97f156939d711ba124ba +Dickhead Vermin K[ondom]OTM has been a source of endless +embarassments to his sympathizers on and off the net. + _ O O _ + \-|-\_/-|-/ Dickhead Vermin K[ondom]OTM + /^\ /^\ + ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBMvtzDL04kQrCC2kFAQF8UwQAi2uqgh2IX8zy9BgXmuBK5hI0yza9XeJ1 +o/aa6KXnKA5+aBuFF5VFufijsJgMQ+2TI+OVi1oPy9OpWofZ1mHzzzNDndypfv6 Bnb05Yrz3ikJXitr7zs26+f8ImeC++5hrkNanPUVBuwa09l2NMYjvGRf+980XLIA 3TIkjAlpcrk= =1Izr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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