December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RRE: Proposed satellite monitoring of car movements in Sweden
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In reply to Dr. Agre's comment, I'd point out that one normally has more than one insurance company to choose from... not the case with governmentally-imposed road taxes. -Allen From: IN%"rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu" 9-FEB-1997 02:12:23.32 To: IN%"rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu" CC: Subj: Proposed satellite monitoring of car movements in Sweden [If it wasn't taxes, it would be insurance.] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: risks(a)csl.sri.com Subject: RISKS DIGEST 18.81 RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Thursday 6 February 1997 Volume 18 : Issue 81 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:39:29 +0100 (MET) From: Feliks Kluzniak <feliks(a)carlstedt.se> Subject: Proposed satellite monitoring of car movements in Sweden The new issue of "Dagens IT", no. 3, dated 28 Jan - 3 Feb 1997 (a Swedish paper aimed at information technology professionals), contains an item that might be of some interest to those RISKS readers who followed discussions about automatic highway toll booths in the US and related subjects. My (probably imperfect) translation follows. Car users will be be put in "feetcuffs" (written by Margaretha Sundstroem) With the help of a new satellite system car users might pay different taxes, depending on when and where they drive. This is what the State communications commission is said to be discussing. According to (the newspaper) "Dagens Politik", the State communications commission is discussing a proposal to use satellites for determining car taxes in the future. It is proposed that all of Sweden's 3.5 million cars should be equipped with a little reader fastened to the instrument board. Car users would then buy cards that can be inserted into the reader. The card would communicate with a satellite that would register where you drive and for how long. The car tax would then be withdrawn from the card. The proposal has been put forward by the State institution for communication analysis. They estimate that just the Stockholm (tax) authorities would be able to earn six billion crowns by using this system. The costs for car users would thereby increase. - - - - The reference to "feetcuffs" (by analogy to "handcuffs" - ankle shackles?) is an allusion to radio transmitters that are irremovably fastened to the ankles of some criminals in this country so that the authorities can monitor their compliance with the rules of house arrest. The word "communication" is meant to include car traffic etc. The word "billion" is given in its US meaning: a thousand million. The risks? Apart from the risks of having very complex systems automatically determine how much you have to pay, there are the usual privacy considerations. Some cry out "big brother". Others say you are already in this situation if you carry a cellular phone. Feliks Kluzniak, Carlstedt Research & Technology, Gothenburg ------------------------------ End of RISKS-FORUM Digest 18.81 ************************ Standard Risks reuse notice: Reused without explicit authorization under blanket permission granted for all Risks-Forum Digest materials. The author(s), the RISKS moderator, and the ACM have no connection with this reuse.

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E-cash and distributed computing...
by Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl' 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is probably not an original idea, but... Here's a potential use for E-cash: a server that doles out Java apps to clients; the clients run the apps, calculating whatever results are needed, and uploads the results in return for E-cash (perhaps a zero-knowledge proof that the result is accurate? another is to use only a trusted pool of registered and accountable users rather than anonymous clients). The server admins would be paid by those who need computations, keeping a percentage and using the rest to be offered as E-cash to clients with spare computing power. A lot of possibilities here... a configuration where a set price is offered for a computation (the user can check for the highest offer on a server, or refuse an offer below a certain amount). Or maybe applets would only be doled out to systems that meet a certain criteria (minimum computing power). A more complex system where 'bids' are placed based on computing power is possible too (those w/better systems would want more cash, or be willing to pay it). Problem: open to forms of 'abuse' (imagine a sysadmin making E-cash using his employer's machines overnight). It might make an interesting experimental project to work on. --Rob ----- "The word to kill ain't dirty | Robert Rothenburg (WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com) I used it in the last line | http://www.asb.com/usr/wlkngowl/ but use a short word for lovin' | Se habla PGP: Reply with the subject and dad you wind up doin' time." | 'send pgp-key' for my public key.

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[reep] Mayo's IQ is lower than the belly of a pregnant snake. ,/ \, ((__,-,,,-,__)), `--)~ ~(--` .-'( )`-, `~~`d\ /b`~~` | | (6___6) `---`

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NEW ATTACK ON CP LIST >Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 03:55:04 -0500 >From: Linda Thompson <lindat(a)iquest.net> >To: robert(a)iquest.net >Cc: aen-news(a)aen.org >Subject: URGENT > >Someone is sending THREATS to the President and Senate and using *MY* >name >and account to do it. One bounced and was sent to me. You should be >able >to find out where it came from by the message I.D. I think it is >EXTREMELY >important that you find out where this came from!! > >Also, earlier in the day, I got a message that I was subscribed by >"majordomo" to cypherpunks. I did NOT subscribe to cypherpunks and I >would >bet that whoever did THAT also sent this message. > >Here's the threat message: > >Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> >Delivered-To: lindat(a)iquest.net >Received: (qmail 29848 invoked from network); 9 Feb 1997 02:51:40 -0000 >Received: from fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (163.10.4.1) > by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 1997 02:51:40 -0000 >Received: by fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar > (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AI19659; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:49:27 -0300 >Message-Id: <9702090249.AI19659(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:12:37 -0300 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Mail Delivery Subsystem) >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >To: lindat(a)iquest.net >X-UIDL: 85c7fe8ecdc2605eb6bc80bfa71b223e >Status: U > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 xfAA16374: line 6: vice-president(a)whitehouse.gov... User unknown > > ----- Unsent message follows ----- >Received: from echotech.com by fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar with SMTP > (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16374; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:12:37 -0300 >Message-Id: <9702080812.AA16374(a)fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 05:12:37 -0300 >From: lindat(a)iquest.net >Return-Path: <lindat(a)iquest.net> >Cc: Senator_Stevens(a)stevens.senate.gov, email(a)murkowski.senate.gov, > sessions(a)wrldnet.net, senator(a)shelby.senate.gov, > senator(a)bumpers.senate.gov, info(a)kyl.senate.gov, > Senator_McCain(a)mccain.senate.gov, senator(a)boxer.senate.gov, > senator(a)feinstein.senate.gov, sen_dodd(a)dodd.senate.gov, > senator_lieberman(a)lieberman.senate.gov, senator(a)biden.senate.gov, > bob_graham(a)graham.senate.gov, connie(a)mack.senate.gov, > senator_coverdell(a)coverdell.senate.gov, >senator(a)inouye.senate.gov, > tom_harkin(a)harkin.senate.gov, chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov, > larry_craig(a)craig.senate.gov, >dirk_kempthorne(a)kempthorne.senate.gov >Cc: senator(a)moseley-braun.senate.gov, lugar(a)iquest.net, > wendell_ford(a)ford.senate.gov, senator(a)mcconnell.senate.gov, > senator(a)breaux.senate.gov, senator(a)kennedy.senate.gov, > john_kerry(a)kerry.senate.gov, senator(a)mikulski.senate.gov, > senator(a)sarbanes.senate.gov, Olympia(a)snowe.senate.gov, > senator(a)levin.senate.gov, michigan(a)abraham.senate.gov, > mail_grams(a)grams.senate.gov, senator(a)wellstone.senate.gov, > john_ashcroft(a)ashcroft.senate.gov, kit_bond(a)bond.senate.gov, > senator(a)cochran.senate.gov, max(a)baucus.senate.gov, > conrad_burns(a)burns.senate.gov, senator(a)faircloth.senate.gov, > jesse_helms(a)helms.senate.gov >Cc: senator(a)conrad.senate.gov, senator(a)dorgan.senate.gov, >email(a)hagel96.com, > bob(a)kerrey.senate.gov, mailbox(a)gregg.senate.gov, > opinion(a)smith.senate.gov, frank_lautenberg(a)lautenberg.senate.gov, > torricel(a)torricelli.com, Senator_Bingaman(a)bingaman.senate.gov, > senator_domenici(a)domenici.senate.gov, senator(a)bryan.senate.gov, > senator_reid(a)reid.senate.gov, senator_al(a)damato.senate.gov, > senator(a)dpm.senate.gov, senator_dewine(a)dewine.senate.gov, > senator_glenn(a)glenn.senate.gov, senator(a)nickles.senate.gov, > senator(a)wyden.senate.gov, senator(a)santorum.senate.gov, > senator_specter(a)specter.senate.gov, >senator_chafee(a)chafee.senate.gov >Cc: reed(a)collegehill.com, senator(a)thurmond.senate.gov, > senator(a)hollings.senate.gov, tom_daschle(a)daschle.senate.gov, > senator_thompson(a)thompson.senate.gov, >senator_frist(a)frist.senate.gov, > senator(a)hutchison.senate.gov, senator(a)bennett.senate.gov, > senator_hatch(a)hatch.senate.gov, senator_robb(a)robb.senate.gov, > senator(a)warner.senate.gov, senator_leahy(a)leahy.senate.gov, > vermont(a)jeffords.senate.gov, senator_murray(a)murray.senate.gov, > Senator_Gorton(a)gorton.senate.gov, >russell_feingold(a)feingold.senate.gov, > senator_kohl(a)kohl.senate.gov, senator_byrd(a)byrd.senate.gov, > senator(a)rockefeller.senate.gov, mike(a)enzi.senate.gov, > craig(a)thomas.senate.gov >Reply-To: lindat(a)iquest.net >Return-Receipt-To: lindat(a)iquest.net >Comment: Authenticated sender is <lindat(a)iquest.net> >Subject: message to USSA Senate > >All files on the Senate's computers will be deleted by our >gang of cypherpunks dedicated to the eradication of your systems. > > >============================================ > >Here's the message I got from the Cypherpunks list: > >Return-Path: <Majordomo-Owner(a)toad.com> >Delivered-To: lindat(a)iquest.net >Received: (qmail 12722 invoked from network); 8 Feb 1997 20:33:18 -0000 >Received: from toad.com (140.174.2.1) > by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 1997 20:33:17 -0000 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id >MAA01758; >Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:09:56 -0800 (PST) >Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:09:56 -0800 (PST) >Message-Id: <199702082009.MAA01758(a)toad.com> >To: lindat(a)iquest.net >From: Majordomo(a)toad.com >Subject: Your Majordomo request results: subscribe cypherpunks >Reply-To: Majordomo(a)toad.com >X-UIDL: 52470737060e1f8e3e1776eae6a3d6ee > >-- > >Your request of Majordomo was: >>>>> subscribe cypherpunks >Succeeded. >Your request of Majordomo was: >>>>> >Your request of Majordomo was: >>>>> > > > >Kind regards, > >Linda Thompson > >******************** V *************************** > DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER >*************************************************** >Dr. Linda Thompson >Attorney at Law >TERRORISM INTELLIGENCE ANALYST >Chairman, American Justice Federation >Internet: lindat(a)iquest.net > >**************************************************** > Remember Waco. > The Murderers are still free. >**************************************************** >Have you seen this yet? > > http://206.55.8.10/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

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Re: RRE: Proposed satellite monitoring of car movements in Sweden
by Phil Agre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have plenty of choice. If you don't like our country, move somewhere else. Phil

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Re: On "spammers" and "anti-spammers"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: perun!dlv From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.e-mail,news.groups,news.admin.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,soc.culture.russian Subject: On "spammers" and "anti-spammers" Message-ID: <JL9u2D1w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 97 10:52:06 EST Organization: Death Camp #6 Several days ago one Robert Hicks, DM Group, Direct Marketing Management, 2774 National Pkwy, Brunswick, Ohio, retained one Thomas Gallman, Telysis Communications Ltd, to do a mass e-mail for them. Unfortunately, Telesys made a small typo when sending out their mass e-mail. DM Group's domain address is "dm1.com" and our domain address is "dm.com" (no digit). That happens a lot, and not always accidentally. Malcontents like Peter da Silva, Chris Lewis of BNR.CA, John Gilmore of EFF/Cygnus Support, Ray Arachelian of Earthlink.com, Sandy Sandfart of C2Net, Peter Vorobieff of LANL.GOV, and other well-known liars and forgers intentionally forge garbage traffic on the Internet with their enemies' domain names (including ours) and later complain about their own forgeries. I was surprised by Telysis's unintentional error, but I hold no grudge against them. However as the result of their mass mailing our site has received hundreds of flames from the self-appointed net.cops, ending up in mailboxes "postmaster" and "orphan" (sent to a non-existent mailbox "freeway(a)dm.com"). Many such flames were also sent to PSI, our upstream site. I am fairly dissatisfied with the way PSI handled this and other incidents involving forged traffic made to look like it came from dm.com. Their lines include "we've been receiving a lot of complaints about you" (and it doesn't matter whether any complaints are true) and "if you prove that this traffic did not originate at your site, then we won't hold you responsible" and "These messages are unwelcome intrusions that violate unwritten rules of the Internet, and are strongly resented. Please confirm that you are aware of these complaints and are taking measures to stop this practice." I also noticed a sharp contrast between the polite letter send out by dm1.com (who were trying to sell something, I presume; and you don't sell anything if you're rude to prospective clients) and the obnoxious, obscene, and threatening responses the net.cops sent to our site. I will quote a selection of these complaints to illustrate the kind of abuse many ISPs are subjected to. Please observe that one of the complainers claims to have received "death threats" from a nonexistent account at our site, several others claim to have received such junk e-mail from our site before, etc. If your e-mail to dm.com is quoted below, please consider the following: If someone sends you junk e-mail, it does not make it OK to send abusive and threatening e-mail to (what you believe to be) the spammer's ISP. Please try to use better manners, even when you deal with behavior that you consider to be rude. ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (vinylot@localhost) by panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) with SMTP id PAA18512; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:19:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: Vinylot <vinylot(a)panix.com> To: freeway(a)dm.com Cc: vinylot(a)panix.com, postmaster(a)dm.com Subject: DEATH THREAT In-Reply-To: <B0000010411(a)telysis3.telysis.com> Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.94.970206151319.15438E-100000(a)panix.com> Hey assholes why dont you configure yer fuckin spam properly so that when we try to remove ouselves from the list we don't get even more unwanted email you scumbags ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (vinylot@localhost) by panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) with SMTP id VAA23841; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:32:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:32:23 -0500 (EST) From: Vinylot <vinylot(a)panix.com> To: postmaster(a)bwalk.dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com Cc: vinylot(a)panix.com Subject: In re: "Death Threat" *and* "Returned mail (fwd)" Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.94.970206212030.21557A-100000(a)panix.com> I see your customer has made themselves unreachable via email, in addition to sending out extremely annoying spam... I'm just sending this note to let u know that I *am not* making any death threats. Vinylot ========================================================================== Received: (from semmett@localhost) by adams.patriot.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA11132; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:10:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Emmett <semmett(a)adams.patriot.net> To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)telysis.com, abuse(a)telysis.com postmaster(a)telysis3.telysis.com, abuse(a)telysis3.telysis.com, freeway(a)dm.com Cc: Steve Emmett <semmett(a)adams.patriot.net> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970206103706.8729A-100000(a)adams.patriot.net> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970206104357.8729B-100000(a)adams.patriot.net> I just sent you a rejection before realizing that YOU have already spammed me and I have already given you a previous notice (28 January 1997). Therefore, since you have SPAMMED me again, you have accepted the terms of my licencing agreement you previously received from me - to wit, each subsequent use (including this most recent one) are now subject to a $1000 per-use fee. You have failed to provide a valid US Postal Address as required by the licence. You will immediately provide the address so that I can send you a bill. Violation of this license agreement is cause for civil suit. You are now on notice to immediately comply with the terms of the licensing agreement. ========================================================================== Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: <m0vsYnR-0003vzC(a)TFS.COM> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 10:43 PST From: hiha(a)TFS.COM (Harry Iha) To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! Cc: admin(a)206.222.107.196, admin(a)dm.com, admin(a)dm1.com, hiha(a)TFS.COM, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com This is the second instance of this unsolicited, commercial e-mail I've received. The first was from Freeway4(a)dm1.com, the second, identical message from what appears to be the same user. Both times, I've responded, as instructed, to be removed from this user's mailing list. Please remove me from your current mailing list, and do not include me in future lists. Thank you for your cooperation. hiha(a)tfs.com ========================================================================== Received: from bubbas.vnet.net (vts-cat1-s1.vnet.net [166.82.120.221]) by jazzmin.vnet.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16984; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:52:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970206134940.0066f5f4(a)pop.vnet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:49:40 -0500 To: freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com, abuse(a)dm.com, admin(a)dm.com From: Brantley Smith <bubbas(a)vnet.net> Subject: FREE OFFER !!/ *GET A LIFE*!! Please do something to stop this spammer. This is the second message I've recieved from this dude. The whole message is below. ========================================================================== Received: from ioceram.jetcity.com (annex01-06.jetcity.com [204.201.228.106]) by jetcity.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21385; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:47:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199702062247.OAA21385(a)jetcity.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is <ioceram(a)[204.201.228.10]> From: "Bryce Conner" <stars(a)jetcity.com> Organization: Procrastinate Later To: postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:47:43 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) FREE OFFER !!: I want these mailings to stop immediately Reply-To: stars(a)jetcity.com Cc: bryce(a)jetcity.com This user has repeatedly sent me unsolicited advertising, even after I requested that they stop. I consider this a clear example of harrassment and net abuse. I request that you warn your customer or take the proper diciplinary action. This kind of activity (SPAMMING) is extremely frowned upon by the net in general, and one request to this person should be enough for them to remove me from their mailing list, especially since I did not request to be on it in the first place. Often this will result in the removal of the account in question. I promised to follow up with this action if they repeated, and so here it is. I would apprecate a reply to this email within 1 week. Sincerely, Bryce Conner ========================================================================== Received: (from nuucp@localhost) by gateway.ycrdi.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA13226; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:49:14 -0500 (EST) From: ralph_muha(a)ycrdi.com (Ralph Muha) Reply-To: ralph_muha(a)ycrdi.com To: postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)telysis.com Subject: Fwd: FREE OFFER !! Date: 06 Feb 1997 15:54:01 GMT Message-Id: <649199615.3797450(a)ycrdi.com> Organization: Young Chang R & D Institute please keep this crap out of my mailbox! ========================================================================== Received: from koko (unverified [202.128.5.10]) by www.latte.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id <B0000002260(a)www.latte.net>; Fri, 07 Feb 1997 00:42:38 +1000 Message-Id: <B0000002260(a)www.latte.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is <alex(a)latte.net> From: "Alex Fields" <alex(a)latte.net> Organization: Latte Net Communications To: postmaster(a)dm.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:53:45 +10 Subject: (Fwd) Delivery failure tell this asshole to take me off his GD list. thank you. alex fields ========================================================================== Received: from nwlink.com (ip061.tu1.nwlink.com [206.129.228.61]) by montana.nwlink.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02282; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:48:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Greenfield <redbeard(a)nwlink.com> To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm1.com Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:49:10 +0500 Message-Id: <yam6976.511.138150712(a)mail.nwlink.com> Organization: Polymorph Digital Photography and Electronics Subject: Please read and respond I recieved the following unsolicited Email today. Please take the appropriate action. I am sick and tired of receiving multiple "junk" emails every day, despite the fact that my signature always includes info indicating that I do not welcome them, and in fact will not do business with anyone who does business this way. <snipped> -- Steve Greenfield redbeard(a)nwlink.com If you don't want my business, go ahead and junk Email. If you never want income from me, go ahead and spam. ========================================================================== Received: from gabubba.paradise.net (gabubba(a)adial095.paradise.net [205.216.68.95]) by q.paradise.net (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21198; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:18:13 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970206171705.006d71c4(a)paradise.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:17:05 -0500 To: postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com From: Bubba <gabubba(a)paradise.net> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! Dear Postmaster, I received the following unsolicited e-mail, please ensure that this person no longer sends unsolicited e-mail. If I receive another message from this user, I will refer it to the proper autorities for investigation as an illegl scam. <snipped> Bubba "bubba69" or "BearPiss" on IRC, Atlanta, Georgia, USA 40 year old, big ol' cub's face fuckin', cigar smokin' tattooed leather top daddy bear, 6'2", 240#, 38" 501's, blue eyes, furry, BUSHY greying beard and 'stache, flags left black, red, and yellow, in Atlanta, GA If you enjoy bearcodes: B8 f+ t+ w+ d+ g++ k++ ========================================================================== Received: by ip143.van5.pacifier.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC142A.585245A0(a)ip143.van5.pacifier.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:36:16 -0800 Message-Id: <01BC142A.585245A0(a)ip143.van5.pacifier.com> From: Tony Foulke <tonyf(a)pacifier.com> To: "'B0000010411(a)telysis3.telysis.com'" <B0000010411(a)telysis3.telysis.com>, "'freeway(a)206.222.107.196'" <freeway(a)206.222.107.196>, "'freeway(a)dm.com'" <freeway(a)dm.com> Subject: RE: FREE OFFER !! Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:36:11 -0800 This is a formal notice that bulk email is NOT to be sent to tonyf(a)pacifier.com It is not wanted. Any UCE coming from you or any clients of yours will be considered harassment. Not only will a bill for my service charge of $250 be received by you, but a criminal complaint will be filed as well. COMMERCIAL EMAIL IS NOT WANTED AT THIS ACCOUNT OR ANY OTHER ACCOUNT HELD BY ANTHONY FOULKE. This is your ONLY notice. --Anthony Foulke -- All unsolicited commercial e-mail coming to this account is subject to a service charge of $250 per piece of mail. Sending any UCE to this account constitutes acceptance of these terms. ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (snakeman@localhost) by thecore.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA00892 for <root(a)dm.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:22:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:22:58 -0500 (EST) From: snakeman <snakeman(a)thecore.com> To: root(a)dm.com Subject: FREE OFFER !! (fwd) Message-Id: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970206181747.503A-100000(a)guardian.thecore.com> If you do not wish your mailbox to be flooded with complaints, and, possibly, unix kernels - please take the appropriate action with the below user who is spamming mailboxes. Any further posts from that user will result in a campaign on Usenet to ban your site. ========================================================================== Received: from h.m.ginsberg.worldnet.att.net ([207.146.7.96]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA28725; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:45:53 +0000 Message-Id: <32FA50AF.4AAB(a)worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:44:15 -0500 From: "Howard M. Ginsberg" <h.m.ginsberg(a)worldnet.att.net> Organization: Amateur Radio Operator W1HG/4 To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196 Cc: postmaster(a)telysis.com, freeway(a)dm.com Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! References: <B0000008087(a)telysis3.telysis.com> PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST. ANY FURTHER E-MAILS FROM YOU WILL RESULT IN THE AUTOMATIC GENERATION OF A MINIMUM OF 10,000+ E-MAILS TO YOU ON A DAILY BASIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE COOPERATION. ========================================================================== Received: from localhost (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA16508; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:36:27 -0500 To: freeway(a)[206.222.107.196] Cc: postmaster(a)dm.com, psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM, hostinfo(a)PSI.COM, domain-fee-contact(a)PSI.COM, postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM Subject: JUNK: FREE OFFER !! (REMOVE DELETE UNSUBSCRIBE UN-SUBSCRIBE) In-Reply-To: Message <B0000008087(a)telysis3.telysis.com> of "Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:17:36 EST" Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:36:26 -0500 Message-Id: <16506.855239786(a)interlog.com> From: John R MacMillan <john(a)interlog.com> Please remove me from your junk mailing list. If you are not the originator of this message, you may wish to know that a spammer is making use of your mail system. ISPs please consider having an ``Acceptable Use'' policy that forbids spamming. This junk mail appears to be from: freeway(a)206.222.107.196 To a junk mailing list maintained by: freeway(a)dm.com And appears to have been injected into the mail system at: telysis3.telysis.com Accordingly, the following addresses have been notified: freeway(a)[206.222.107.196] postmaster(a)dm.com psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM hostinfo(a)psi.com domain-fee-contact(a)PSI.COM postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM Further mail from freeway(a)206.222.107.196 will be automatically forwarded to the above addresses, and possibly to sites that maintain lists of abusive spammers. Mail from this address WILL NOT BE SEEN BY ME. This is an automated message. ========================================================================== Received: from BHeaton (dtp01-21.txdirect.net [204.57.92.245]) by legend.txdirect.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA18681; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:06:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:06:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199702061606.KAA18681(a)legend.txdirect.net> From: Brian D Heaton <bheaton(a)txdirect.net> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! -- SPAM To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)telysis.com Cc: abuse(a)psi.net, abuse(a)psi.com, postmaster(a)psi.net, postmaster(a)psi.com Sirs, Remove me from all mailings managed by you company immediately. This is my second request. Any further mailings from your organization will result in further action. PSI - This network abuser is a client of your service. I would appreciate a notification of the action taken agains this organization. BDH ========================================================================== Received: from [207.8.3.19] by jump.net (8.8.4/BERK-6.8.11) id UAA08328; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:19:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <v01510100af20433e39a2(a)[207.8.2.23]> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:29:47 -0600 To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com From: netminder(a)jump.net (ERic V & Lisa S) Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! Cc: postmaster(a)206.222.107.196 I don't want any free stuff. In fact, I'm quite put out that I'm getting this junk. I'm copying your postmaster on the off chance that it's not you, on the hopes that you'll get a stern talking to or perhaps even removal from your service. Spamming like this is VERY frowned upon. It appears (as I've now received several of these 'type REMOVE' type messages) that someone is selling my email address. I would appreciate, if that is the case, that you send me their name and/or number and/or email address so that I can let them know personally my feelings. I also recommend, if that is indeed the case, that you contact the BBB and your State Comptroller and see what can be done about capturing the charlatans. Good luck with the barrage of nasty messages you're about to receive. ERic ========================================================================== Received: (from egburr@localhost) by kiowa.wildstar.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) id IAA21628; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:53:09 -0600 From: Edward Burr <egburr(a)kiowa.wildstar.net> Message-Id: <199702071453.IAA21628(a)kiowa.wildstar.net> Subject: ABUSE (was: FREE OFFER !!) To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, root(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196 abuse(a)206.222.107.196, twalton(a)ACSI.NET, postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM, psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM, info(a)DM1.COM, root(a)CLEVER.NET, root(a)ACSI.NET, postmaster(a)ACSI.NET, abuse(a)ACSI.NET Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:53:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: root(a)TELYSIS.COM, postmaster(a)TELYSIS.COM, abuse(a)TELYSIS.COM, root(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com, abuse(a)dm.com, root(a)DM1.COM, postmaster(a)DM1.COM, abuse(a)DM1.COM In-Reply-To: <B0000008091(a)telysis3.telysis.com> from "freeway(a)206.222.107.196" at Jan 28, 96 08:17:40 am Dear junk email spammer, please REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST IMMEDIATELY. I charge for reading unsolicited email advertising. I did not sign up for this, and I should not have to request to not be made a victim of this. I have a limited amout of disk space available to me, and your junk email is wasting some of it. By the way, you really need to fix your clock; the current year is 1997. POSTMASTER/SYSADMIN: Please archive this notice in case I need proof that I sent it and it was received at your site. Thank you. ACSI.NET You are the last nameserved host along the route to the originating IP address of this spam. TELYSIS.COM You are the originating mail server. DM.COM (PSI.COM) You are who this spam is supposedly TO; this indicates you are probably being used as a mail list forwarder. DM1.COM (CLEVER.NET) You are hosting this spammer's web site. (offending junk email spam below...) --/Edward Burr/-------------------+---------------------------------- | Senior, Science Education, OU | Use of my e-mail address or URL | | egburr(a)wildstar.net | is restricted. Visit my home | | http://www.wildstar.net/~egburr | page for details. | \ / \ / \ Unless otherwise noted, all opinions here are solely my own./ ========================================================================== Received: from vfg-pa1-10.ix.netcom.com (vfg-pa1-10.ix.netcom.com [205.184.1.42]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA13579 for <postmaster(a)dm.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:49:17 -0800 From: ISCHLANG(a)IX.NETCOM.COM To: postmaster(a)dm.com Subject: LEGAL WARNING Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 06:48:17 GMT Message-Id: <32fecec9.1097207(a)smtp.ix.netcom.com> Dear Postmaster, On two other occasions I have requested to be removed from your clients list, yet I am still receiving unsolicited email advertising from them. This is in direct violation of US CODE TITLE 47 under which I may collect 500 dollars for each occurrence. Please look into this and get back to me prior to my filing charges against you and your client for this continued harassment. ========================================================================== Received: (from hazmat@localhost) by nsa.ecosoft.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA02044; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ken W <hazmat(a)shore.net> Message-Id: <199702061417.JAA02044(a)nsa.ecosoft.com> Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)telysis.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freeway(a)dm.com In-Reply-To: <B0000008257(a)telysis3.telysis.com> from "freeway(a)206.222.107.196" at Jan 28, 1996 08:23:34 AM This is a spam is is hopefully grounds for immediate termination of your account. People like you make the Internet a place that is not very fun anymore. <snipped> -- hazmat(a)shore.net http://www.shore.net/~hazmat Shore.Net Web Administration webmaster(a)shore.net http://www.shore.net/ "...and the number of the beast is vivivi...." ========================================================================== Received: from [206.80.13.141] (sfmax2-141.ppp.wenet.net [206.80.13.141]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20127 for <postmaster(a)dm.com>; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: acates(a)mailhost.hooked.net Message-Id: <l03010d00af1ff926c8b5(a)[206.80.13.141]> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:12:19 -0800 To: postmaster(a)dm.com From: Alden Cates <acates(a)hooked.net> Subject: "FREE OFFER !!" Junk e-mail I tried to remove myself from this listing but I can't!! I did NOT signup to be on this list and I don't want this tye of crap in my e-mail box. I got a message saying that the address my "REMOVE: e-mail went to did not get there. I recently got this e-mail: ========================================================================== Received: from RICHARD.COMP-UNLTD.COM (richard.comp-unltd.com [204.212.166.234]) by cu.imt.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA12115; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:28:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199702061528.IAA12115(a)cu.imt.net> From: "Richard Barndt" <richard(a)imt.net> To: <freeway(a)dm.com> Cc: <postmaster(a)dm.com> Subject: REMOVE Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:30:42 -0700 Offense under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL under US federal law: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Please ensure this is stopped NOW. You have been put on notice. If you confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion. If you do not provide me with such confirmation in a timely manner, or if ANY further UNSOLICITED or UNWANTED junk mail should be received from your site, I will instruct my attorney to issue a writ WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, and the matter will then be pursued under federal law. I will separately notify your upstream providers as they may also be liable for violations originating from your site. ========================================================================== Received: from lawr40.static.usit.net (lawr40.static.usit.net [199.1.57.110]) by SMTP.USIT.NET (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA14481; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: sstutts(a)usit.net (THE Lone Wolf) To: 206.222.107.196(a)abuse.networks.net, B0000008256(a)telysis3.telysis.com dm.com(a)abuse.networks.net, freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)[206.222.107.196], postmaster(a)dm1.com, postmaster(a)telysis3.telysis.com, telysis3.telysis.com(a)abuse.networks.net Subject: Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 06:15:55 GMT Message-Id: <32fec88e.867280(a)smtp.usit.net> I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL under US federal law: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Please ensure this is stopped NOW. You have been put on notice. If you confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion. If you do not provide me with such confirmation in a timely manner, or if ANY further UNSOLICITED or UNWANTED junk mail should be received from = your site, I may instruct my attorney to issue a writ WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, and the matter will then be pursued under federal law. I will separately notify your upstream providers as they may also be liable for violations originating from your site. ========================================================================== Received: from gregspc (isabella-57.pagesz.net [208.194.157.57]) by pagesz.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08671; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:07:09 -0500 Message-Id: <32FA7D27.63AE(a)pagesz.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 19:53:59 -0500 From: Gregory Boop <gboop(a)pagesz.net> To: 206.222.107.196(a)abuse.networks.net, abuse(a)206.222.107.196, abuse(a)dm.com abuse(a)dm1.com, abuse(a)telysis.com, abuse(a)telysis3.telysis.com, B0000008256(a)telysis3.telysis.com, dm.com(a)abuse.networks.net, freeway(a)206.222.107.196, freeway(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm1.com, postmaster(a)telysis.com, postmaster(a)telysis3.telysis.com, telysis3.telysis.com(a)abuse.networks.net Subject: Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 227(b) (1) (C) I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwanted and unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL under US federal law: By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b) (1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for EACH violation. Please ensure this is stopped NOW. You have been put on notice. If you confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion. If you do not provide me with such confirmation in a timely manner, or if ANY further UNSOLICITED or UNWANTED junk mail should be received from your site, I will instruct my attorney to issue a writ WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, and the matter will then be pursued under federal law. I will separately notify your upstream providers as they may also be liable for violations originating from your site. ========================================================================== Received: from kohn-b (cnc129043.concentric.net [206.173.9.43]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.5/(97/01/29 1.12)) id IAA26653; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:01:05 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Message-Id: <199702071301.IAA26653(a)newman.concentric.net> Reply-To: <bicker(a)concentric.net> From: "Brian Charles Kohn" <bicker(a)concentric.net> To: <abuse(a)dm.com> Subject: Fw: FREE OFFER !! Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:00:31 -0600 Please note that your subscriber "freeway" is sending out unsolicited commercial solicitations. Besides the legal issues, it is not appreciated. Please address this issue with your subscriber. ========================================================================== Received: (from larry@localhost) by casper.tvinet.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) id QAA26259; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:51:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Phillips <larry(a)casper.tvinet.com> To: freeway(a)206.222.107.196, root(a)206.222.107.196, postmaster(a)206.222.107.196 Cc: freeway(a)dm.com, root(a)dm.com, postmaster(a)dm.com Subject: Re: FREE OFFER !! In-Reply-To: <B0000010696(a)telysis3.telysis.com> Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970206165006.25645A-100000@Casper> Bugger off ========================================================================== Received: from frankenputer (pmnet02-08.austin.texas.net [207.207.2.8]) by natashya.eden.com (8.8.5/8.8.1) with SMTP id SAA15421; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:58:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970206185637.009f1b40(a)mail.eden.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 18:56:40 -0600 To: postmaster(a)telysis.com, postmaster(a)dm.com From: "John D. Webb" <jdwebb(a)logiclabs.com> Subject: SPAM ABUSE: FREE OFFER !! To whom it may concern, I received this *unsolicited* SPAM mail originating from or referencing your domain. I do *not* appreciate receiving such junk mail. I request that you take whatever steps are necessary with the account holder to see that they desist such abuses. Thank you, John Webb ========================================================================== Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 11:06:21 -0500 (EST) From: FZR400(a)aol.com Message-Id: <970208110620_-1174326236(a)emout05.mail.aol.com> To: postmaster(a)bwalk.dm.com Subject: Re: Returned mail SOMEONE AT THIS DOMAIN HAS BEEN SENDING UNSOLICITED E-MAIL ADVERTISING. TELL THEM TO CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY. Member, Internet Advertising Relief Association http://users.aol.com/fzr400/junkmail.htm ========================================================================== Received: from benicia60.castles.com (benicia60.castles.com [206.54.43.80]) by mustang.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA26381; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:12:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199702090612.WAA26381(a)mustang.via.net> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:13:02 -0800 To: abuse(a)PSI.COM, root(a)CLEVER.NET, abuse(a)CLEVER.NET From: Brad Albom <brada(a)via.net> Subject: SPAM: FREE OFFER !! Cc: freeway(a)dm.com Hi- This email is to notify you that one of the domains and/or users that you are resolving for is sending SPAM email. The email included below was unsolicited and unwelcome. I presume that you have policies regarding this type of activity and will take appropriate action. Thank you, <snipped> -brad albom Software Engineering Solutions, Inc 2685 Marine Way, Suite 1215, Mountain View, CA 94043 email: brada(a)sesinc.com <- Office address alt : brada(a)via.net <- Home address, checked more frequently phone: (415) 969-0141 alt : (707) 552-5248 ========================================================================== Meaw.

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Passphrase generation
by Internaut 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I am wanting to learn how to generate a passphrase that is at least as strong as the IDEA algorithm. I have looked several other places on the web for an answer to this, but they all had different things to say that didn't add up (no pun intended :). The IDEA algorithm it seems is 2^128 = 3.402823669209e+38 = 16 bytes (charactors). The charactor count seems kinda small (I am presuming the 16 charactors are truely random). Indeed, 128(ASCII charactor set)^16 = 5.192296858535e+33. Is my thinking right here? Is it better to do this- 94(printable ASCII set)^20 = 2.901062411315e+39, yielding 20 charactors? Also, if you come up with a phrase and put enough (perhaps 5 or 6) ASCII nonsense in there for it not to be in any crack dictionaries, how random is that? Is it only as random as the extra charactors you put in? How would you calculate that? Also, how many charactors do you have to add of a set to add its permulations (i.e. Does gibber&sh add all ASCII symbols to the equation)? Thanks, Internaut

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RE: Fighting the cybercensor
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:44 PM 2/5/97 -0800, Sean Roach wrote: >This time I have opted for a point by point. >At 07:59 PM 2/5/97 -0800, jim bell wrote: >>1. Large numbers of potentially competent and useful people get put into >>useless jobs: "Army, Navy, and Marines, and Air Force" spring to mind. >>(Those people who still think military spending is really necessary >>obviously haven't read AP.) >This point I can not argue with, at least not directly. I do believe that >the military way is wasteful of resources. Notice, however, that "pre-AP-theory," there was never any "good" way to theorize getting rid of the military: It always appeared that OUR military was needed to protect us against THEIR military. AP fixes that problem. > However, this is one area that >has actually benefitted the lower-income bracket in that it gives them >"inexpensive" (off-chance of death) access to good training. "War is good business...Invest your son!" There's no doubt that militaries look like a good deal to at least some fraction of the population. However, as is usually true, the amount of money that could be saved if we didn't have to buy military junk would do just as well applied to other products or services. >>2. Large amounts of money are spent on military hardware, money which goes >>to fund people who would otherwise develop useful products in the >>non-government private sector. >Three things that promote technological growth, expansion, war, threat of war. >As for expansion. we really have no where else to go. As for war and threat >of war, the computer was invented during a war, atomic energy was harnessed >during war, the internet was created during threat of war. Many >advancements, though not all, come to benefit society later. For that >matter, steel was probably invented during a war as well, but I can't prove it. I think that's a somewhat distorted way to look at it. War drastically changes the economics associated with technical developments: In WWII, millions of dollars became available for development of computers due to their ability to decrypt codes. It is by no means surprising that suddenly making it 10x more affordable to buy computers (not by reducing their costs, but by raising the amount of money provided) would make computers appear to be the product of war. You may recall estimates (which are frequently re-quoted, BTW)that proposed that there would only be a market for (say) 5-10 computers in the world. That estimate is frequently cited as an example of how wrong they were, but in reality that estimate assumed pricing based on then-current costs, and they were probably accurate! It is the _subsequent_ development of transistors which made those original estimates "wrong." Nuclear power, similarly, was born in a flood of money for the same war. Expensive government installations, such as Los Alamos, NM, Hanford Washington, and Oak Ridge Tennessee were built for that purpose. Activities which would have been highly uneconomical during peacetime were suddenly worth doing. If war makes technical development happen, it is only because of how supremely wasteful it is. Useful things still get done, but they get done in a highly uneconomical fashion and _before_ they would normally be done in a non-war world. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Taking advantage of Newt's phone calls
by Michael Gurski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It seems like Sprint's taking advantage of the tap on Newt's little call there by advertising how Sprint Spectrum is private and no one can listen in, with little "signal" graphics going from one SS phone to another in DC... Cute... |\/|ike Gurski mgursk1(a)umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mgursk1/ finger/mail subject "send pgpkey"|"send index" Hail Eris! -><- O- |Member, 1024/39B5BADD PGP Keyprint=3493 A994 B159 48B7 1757 1E4E 6256 4570 | Team My opinions are mine alone, even if you should be sharing them. | OS/2 Senate Finance Committee Chair, SGA 1996-1997 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: I am not a number, I am a free man! iQCVAwUBMv4NVCKEMrE5tbrdAQFIpgQAsS87dmofyalpLJMJjIRk71KmZheEbhnJ WNvCO2fvvxP5aURbeh/MwVV7KOL0hcISPVWoFXrP9HmWSuhc3X7TRCQKVGESTOzS 9z2TaTF8hcAV8PFN3CCReBU5p/6OUBLN85pMbgyk818hAMf9LRhnroauSzQlXtGz iAhkvhlnBUg= =eAZ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ken Bass Interview Schedule Corrections
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Schedule Correction *** Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) interviewed live on "Real Time" *** >> *** Monday, Feb. 10 *** << Note the date correction *** 9:00 PM ET *** Ken Bass is a partner in the firm of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, LLP, and is the head of that firm's Appellate Practice Group. Recently Venable served as counsel to Phil Karn during his dispute with the Department of State concerning export of a diskette containing the source code for cryptographic algorithms published in the book _Applied_ _Cryptography_, having already received permission to export the book. See http://isptv.digex.net/real.time.html for more information about "Real Time" Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://isptv.digex.net/members.html. See URL http://isptv.digex.net for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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