December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Spamming the list
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When Derogatory Virus K]ankersore[OfTheMoment's mother gave birth to him after fucking with a bunch of sailors, she didn't know who the father was but decided to tell him that he was a Russian as the Russian sailor was the one who satisfied her the most. o/ Derogatory Virus K]ankersore[OfTheMoment <| / >

1 0

Suggestion for the future of the list
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

o Make the list a newsgroup "alt.cypherpunks". This will alleviate any concerns about one party taking control of the list. Good filters exist and the newsgroup can be read via Deja News, etc. o For those using remailers or those unable to post to newsgroups, create a mail-to-news gateway at cypherpunks(a)toad.com. OK, how will take the fist step and newsgroup alt.cypherpunks? -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

1 0

Pending Attack on Mailmasher and Pseudonymous Posting
by nobody＠wazoo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of the denizens from alt.flame (wotan(a)databasix.com / wotan(a)netcom.com) is on a personal crusade to get the Mailmasher pseudonym server shut down, claiming that it was "abused" by accepting "forgeries". As you'll recall, the pretext of "abuse" was conveniently used my the CoS to get several remailers shut down. Let's not let the enemies of privacy win this one! Here's how William McClatchey, aka "Wotan", concluded his post: > Well, I was nice and polite when the forgeries began. I sent toxic a > nice message asking that he disable the abitlity to forge wotan@databasix > and wotan@netcom. That appears to be too hard for him. He gets his > access from mci. > > I encourage anyone who is being forged due to the deliberate negligence > on toxic's part to write hotwired and MCI asking that mailmasher be shut > down until it can longer be used to commit forgeries. Mr. McClatchey (Wotan) is certainly well aware that you can't detect "forgeries" without positive proof of a person's identity, which would defeat the entire purpose of posting anonymously/pseudonymously. And to "disable the ability to forge" e-mail addresses is well beyond the scope of Mailmasher, since it's as easy to do as changing the settings in Netscape, Eudora, etc. His demands are like asking the USPS to make sure that the return address you put on each envelope you mail is your own!

1 0

FREE CASH GRANTS
by antony＠mail99.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We Have Over 150 Private Foundations In Our Program All Over the United States. WE ARE A FINANCIAL FINDER & MATCHING SERVICE ..."INTEREST - FREE CASH GRANTS - NEVER PAY BACK!"... FOUNDATIONS CAN BE A BETTER SOURCE FOR FINANCE, THAN BANKS ___________________________________________________________ Foundations give away billions of dollars every year to individuals. Most are non-profit organizations dedicated to the betterment of society. A foundation is exempt from income tax because of its non-profit status. Private foundations have been giving out cash-grants to people for over 100 years. You can check with your attorney or local chamber of commerce. ARE YOU BEING REJECTED FOR THE MONEY YOU NEED SO BADLY? _________________________________________________________ Then Why Not Try A Private Foundation? Interest Free Cash Grants From $500.00 & Up to $25,000.00. No Collateral. No Cosigners, No Security Deposit, No Mortgages. No Credit Check. No Pay Back. The Money May Be Used For Any Worthwhile Purpose; Business, Personal, Medical, Real Estate, Education, Religion, Etc. ANYONE CAN GET AN INTEREST FREE CASH GRANT! ____________________________________________ As long as they have a genuine reason for needing money, & as long as the foundation guidelines are met. Dear Applicant, This letter tells you HOW YOU CAN GET AN INTEREST-FREE CASH GRANT. Take a few minutes to read it. You'll be suprised to see how easy it is to get a grant. From time to time, everyone needs to borrow. The problem is that for most people, getting a loan is a big hassle. Going to banks or finance companies in person takes a lot of time. In most cases, there is endless paperwork. And Unfortunately, in many cases all that you end up with is a rejection notice. ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIT CHECK ________________________ Getting a Grant by mail is probably a lot easier than you think. In your area, there are usually only a small number of places that will provide you with the money, that you need. On the other hand, there are literally hundreds of private foundations who donate money to people who have genuine reasons for needing the money. Chances are that most banks in your area have very stringent loan requirements. On the other hand, most foundations who give GRANTS BY MAIL are more lenient. Persons who have poor credit, no credit, or even those who have gone through bankruptcy are able to get the money that they need - sent to them by a check payable to them. This is because foundations are NOT interested in CREDIT RATINGS. GETTING A GRANT BY MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL ____________________________________ There are no embarrassing interviews. Neither collateral nor cosigners are required. The main requirement is that you have a legitimate need for the money and are willing to use it for whatever reason that the foundation agrees to. We are not associated with any of the foundations in our program, therefore all money will go directly to you, payable to you. As a Financial Finder & Matching Service, we know where the money is and which private foundations may be most likely to approve your grant. There are hundreds of foundations with money to donate. It is our job to put you in touch with them. PLEASE REMEMBER: CASH-GRANTS are FREE of any interest, & they DO NOT NEED TO BE PAID BACK! ________________________________________________ Foundations give out money for a wide variety of needs as long as it is something LEGAL. This means that you obtain the money to pay off old bills, meet emergency needs, or to buy anything that you might need, as long as the foundation agrees to it. YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT TO OBTAIN. ________________________________________________ The amount can be as little as $500.00, and up to $25,000.00 is possible. And remember, there is NO CREDIT CHECK. As a Financial Finder & Matching Service, we'll review your service application form and determine which foundations may be most likely to provide you with the money that you need. Keep in mind that we have only reputable foundations in our program. You are protected by the fact that these foundations are regulated by the laws of the United States. No matter how much you want to obtain, no matter what you want to use the money for; we feel confident that we can help you to get it with the service we are offering. ____________________________________________________________________ Our Application fee is $19.95 for Personal & Business Grants. There are absolutely no other fees to pay. All that you will have to do is complete the service application form below, and mail it with payment as indicated on the form. We will process your service application within 10 days. We will match your FINANCIAL NEEDS & REQUIREMENTS with the most suitable Private Foundations in our program. ______________________________________________________________________ Unless we help you with our service, your application fee of $19.95 will be refunded. The sooner you apply, the sooner you are likely to have the money you need! Mail the APPLICATION TODAY! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ APPLY WITHIN 24 HOURS & GET 10 FREE PLACES TO ADVERTISE ON THE INTERNET! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Service Application Form: (circle one) Money Order Check Credit Card (Circle One: VISA, M/C, Discover) Credit card # ________________________________________ Expiration Date____________________ Signature_________________________________________ Guaranteed Fee $19.95. I need you to RUSH processing. Please add $10.00: Total $_______ TO EXPEDITE, FAX TO (619) 682-1021 We also accept checks by fax! Simply tape your checks on the bottom and fax!! It's that easy!! After faxing, simply void your check out and keep it for your own records. If you don't have a fax machine available, you can go to your nearest Kinko's, Officemax, Staples, or Mailboxes etc. and they will let you fax from there. (For check payments, tape check to the bottom and fax) PLEASE MAKE CHECKS PAYABLE TO: C.N. Enterprises or MAIL TO: C.N. Enterprises 5450 55th St. Suite #19 San Diego, CA 92115 Checks Take 5 Days to clear at the bank. Please Print Clearly For Our Office Staff Grant Purpose:____________________________________________________ Amount Needed $___________.00 Yearly Income $___________.00 Name_____________________________ Occupation __________________ Address___________________ City ___________ State _____Zip __________ Signature______________________________ Phone #(___)____ -________ [form#:EL2] Please match my financial needs & requirements with the most suitable private foundations in your program. > C.N. Enterprises PO Box 15131 San Diego, CA 92175 (619) 685-5550 Office ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >From antony(a)mail99.com Mon Feb 10 16:04:52 1997 Return-Path: antony(a)mail99.com Received: from mail.mail99.com (mail.mail99.com [208.134.170.5]) by emin30.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA28987; Mon 10 Feb 1997 16:04:29 -0500 From: antony(a)mail99.com Received: from localhost (mail99.com [207.155.244.15]) by mail.mail99.com (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA24129; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:08:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id:<199702102108.QAA24026(a)mail.mail99.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is <antony(a)mail99.com> To: antony(a)mail99.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:02:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FREE CASH GRANTS Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a)

1 0

GAK
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[ocksucker] May is just a poor excuse for an unschooled, retarded thug. <o o> Tim C[ocksucker] May /-+-- --+X /> <\

1 0

RE: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Timothy C. May - no "unsuscribe" and "unscrive" messages! (It makes it easy for newcomers to discover the group, read it for a while, then stop. It also, of course, increases the number of "What is crypto?" sorts of messages.) ........................................ In regards to the newbie questions, it occurred to me that it would be useful to have a FAQ, much shorter than the Cyphernomicon, which would get some basic questions answered and contain many collected references & web sites for all the other questions which typically have come up on the list and would certainly show up in a newsgroup. Maybe LD could be prevailed upon to write it (he's probably not occupied doing anything useful, anyway).... :>) .. Blanc

1 0

re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** This is for Sandy and John, not for the list itself *** Damn. Another example of the Tragedy of the Commons. I'm sorry you decided to pull the plug -- but I fully understand your reasoning. As I mentioned in an e-mail (and/or conversation a while back), I'd be happy to help with the moderation as long as (a) it doesn't prevent me from doing my "real" job and (b) we can figure out a solution to the obvious logistics problems (I'm on a Mac, not a Unix box). In any case, thanks to John and Sandy for all the hard work. Martin.

1 0

Re: Network of majordomos
by pdh＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:09 PM 2/11/1997, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 10:45 AM 2/11/97 -0600, Firebeard wrote: >> [...] I've already taken steps, along with Jim Choate, to >> start a network of majordomos hosting a Cypherpunks mailing list. >> [...] Our intention is to have a set of majordomos which >> are intersubscribed to a cypherpunks list on each one, with measures >> taken to ensure that mail loops don't develop. > I still think you're just rediscovering Usenet technology.... > And, if you must, run mail-to-news gateway(s) which send the newsgroup to > people who want it as E-mail. > Usenet technology does exactly what you're describing:... How about this? The people who like Usenet should race ahead and set it up. The people who like networks of majordomos should race ahead and set those up. Just so long as the tracks meet somewhere in Utah. The more people are involved with distributing the "list" the more robust it will be. Peter Hendrickson pdh(a)best.com

1 0

Mac-Crypto 1997 session Schedule
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:43:19 -0800 From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> To: Multiple recipients of <mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Mac-Crypto 1997 session Schedule hey all; I have posted a preliminary list of sessions for the 1997 Mac-Crypto conference at the Mac-Crypto conference at the webpage http://www.vmeng.com/mc/conf.html if you haven't registered, please get your name in now! if you want to give a talk, please drop me a line asap. Vinnie Moscaritolo http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A ------------------------------------------------------- ...I know what probably happened. A new high-level manager at Apple picked up some old dusty videotape off the shelf, labelled "Super Bowl 1984", played it and said, "Yah know, that guy on the screen was making a hell of a lot of sense until that trouble-maker smashed it!" --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

1 0

alt.cypherpunks
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey, folks, I thought all you had to do to create an alt.group was to have a news admin somewhere just make a group; send out a control message of somekind. I thought that alt groups didn't have to go through a charter, or voting process, or anything else. They just happened. Then, everyone just has to tell their local news admin that they went to see it, or they can wait until their news admin sees it flying by, and adds it to the available groups list at his own discretion. It's not like we want comp.cypherpunks or something, with a voting process, right? Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

3 2