December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Cypherpunks FAQ
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:40:15 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up" > > aga wrote: > > I have mail.cypherpunks though, and I thought that was > > the usenet newsgroup for cypherpunks. > > > > let's see what dejanews says about this one. > > > > How about every posting to alt.underground for the time being, > > until we get this matter settled? > > > > John, > > I think that you would be the best author for writing the official > alt.cypherpunks FAQ. I have no doubt that many readers will appreciate > your effort and it will win you a lot of new points with them. > > One thing is, you have a lot of ideas, and two, your writing style is > very good (you are a law doctor after all). > > The FAQ should not be necessarily very big. > > - Igor. > But I have never been on the cypherpunks mailing list. I only got involved because they were in the header of some F-K list mail. And I think that Dr. Vulis would be much better qualified than I would be. My Doctorate was in Law, but Dimitri did his in math and/or cryptography, which is more appropriate. All I can say is that it should be a list where everybody is required to state their sex and sexual orientation up front. And the rule MUST BE that you are a queer by default. We MUST have a correct sexual definition up front, and nobody is allowed to say, "I refuse to state my sexuality" because we then know that they are closet homosexuals. what we want is the truth up front. BTW, all five of the newsgroups in this header are available through dejanews for posting to, if you use them in the current order. the a.g.g. newsgroup ate dejanews gets your article posted to ANY other newsgroup, including alt.cypherpunks and cypherpunks.cunt

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FBI_100
by Patrick May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DFA
by Paul J. Bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does anyone know what has happened to DFA, and the people who just a few months ago were publishing such encouraging results? have they gone underground, or perhaps been put underground, in a rather permanent way? isn't it strange how quite it has been on this subject? cheers, -paul

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Re: The EFF
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:43:51 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, > freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: The EFF > > Toto wrote: > > Timothy C. May wrote: > > > At 9:36 AM -0800 2/14/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > It is my (limited) understanding that the EFF has discovered that > > the support that comes with private philanthropy from will o'wisp > > Bay Area 'liberals' doesn't carry the terrible burden of having to > > compete for the petty contributions of the UnRich. > > I have a brother-in-law who gives seminars to the Nouveau Riche in > > the Bay Area, teaching them how to give their money away to 'good' > > causes. I believe that one of the prime considerations in separating > > the 'good' causes from the 'bad' causes has something to do with the > > the proper wine being served with the cheese and cracker offerings > > during their cocktail parties. > > Wine and cheese are the key. You hit that one on the head. I tried > those Mensa parties in Beverly Hills a few times, but the girls want > you to kiss their hands like some kinda princesses or something, > whereas I think a simple handshake would suffice. So I just quit > going. Maybe this has something to do with why there are no c-punks > meetings in the L.A. area. > Dale, so you are in mensa? Did you have to take a test?

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Re: DES and RSA crypto hardware from the free world
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:32 1997-02-15 -0200, John Ioannidis wrote: Sorry to correct you, but uti-maco is an old german company ... >I believe uti-Maco (a belgian company) has been using the Pijnenburg chips >for their boards. However, last I checked with them (about half a year ago) >the price of the boards was pretty steep -- of the order of $1K. > >Anyway, if the boards Peter is referring to are ready in the next couple >of months, I volunteer to write drivers for Linux and *BSD*. > >/ji >

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Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 09:35:27 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: ichudov(a)algebra.com, toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > aga wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:07:40 -0600 (CST) > > > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > > > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > > > Cc: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > > > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > > > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > == This list is still experimental. == > > > > == admin ichudov(a)algebra.com == > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > > > > Just fyi, I am removing this footer from the list config. > > > > > > It was here so that people could tell that the list was new and > > > glitches were likely to happen. > > > > > > > O.K. what are you doing, Igor? Is this a new cypherpunks list? > > This is ONE OF new cypherpunks lists. These lists will soon be > connected to each other so that people subscribed to any of them > will receive all article sent to each list. > > Kinda like USENET. > 10-4 It is like a new hierarchy, huh? {;-)-~ cmsg newgroup cypherpunks.cunt

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Re: Crypto code published in magazines
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> writes: > I'm trying to find instances of crypto code published in computer > magazines i n the last few years. I know of Blowfish in DDJ, are > there cases of more mainstream computer mags like Byte publishing > crypto code (I know Byte did DES in 1977, I'm hoping for something a > bit more recent)?. Well this code (an implementation of RSA) appeared in UK Computer Shopper (largest readership computer mag in UK) by Charlie Stross: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` (actually it was some earlier version of the code) Other media appearances include: - A picture of the shirt in Nova magazine (a French publication) - Shirt on Nulle Part Ailleurs (French cabal TV talk show) - Shirt Japanese edition of Wired - Shirt in US version of Wired - Richard White's tattoo of the program in UK Wired - Shirt in BBC Open Univ program (educational program on encryption) - Picture of label with program on New York Times All of those apart from the last would probably be readable from the source code, or from the bar code. [Do KISS do image enhancement also? :-)] (some pics on: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/shirt/media.html http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ ) Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Dale: What a laff!
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:42:11 -0800 From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> Dale sagely wrote: :Wine and cheese are the key. You hit that one on the head. I tried :those Mensa parties in Beverly Hills a few times. Oh what a kidder this Dale is. At Mensa party no less!! Whatta farce! Still love you fella.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:21:07 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Cc: ichudov(a)algebra.com, dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up" > > Kent Crispin wrote: > > Dale Thorn allegedly said: > > > If I understood the last several hundred messages correctly, they have > > > tried to make the point that the cypherpunks mailing list (unedited) > > > was more ideal than a newsgroup. If this is what Dave is offering, > > > I'm surprised if more people don't jump on it. Then again, they > > > took their good ol' time jumping onto cypherpunks-unedited. > > > Dave is offering a single mailing list, which, while I am sure Dave is > > a great person, still represents a single point of control and a > > single point of failure. A distributed mailing list has a potential > > for being much more robust, and for supporting a wide range of > > viewpoints. Furthermore a distributed mailing list is an interesting > > minor technical problem, and a good solution could have wide > > applicability. > > So I think that people would like to get the distributed list going... > > I hope this doesn't duplicate the earlier message - if someone were > tracking all this activity and kept the lists informed about what > was available where - and particularly if the downloading could be > automatic as in the subscription lists - that would be ideal. > > I wanted to spend some time on alt.cypherpunks, but I haven't got > thru the subscription mail for the last few days yet. If there's > a scheme that works better than just ad-hoc looking, I'd sure like > to know. > You mean there is an alt.cypherpunks mailing list? That is not on my server. I have mail.cypherpunks though, and I thought that was the usenet newsgroup for cypherpunks. let's see what dejanews says about this one. How about every posting to alt.underground for the time being, until we get this matter settled?

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Re: (fwd) DES challenge organisation
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> How the hell do I get OFF this list ?? Say something herr Gilmore doesn`t like and you`ll be off the list in no time. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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