December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Silvernail Concedes / Hides In Shame
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

roy(a)sendai.scytale.com wroted: > an7575(a)anon.nymserver.com correctly states: > > I always wonder why there seem to be so many lame fucks on > > the cypherpunks list who, rather than responding to the posts > > on the list, seem to be responding to some broken recording > > going on in their own head. > > Something like you not responding to my challenge to produce an exploit, > no doubt. > My point stands. Your point is garbage and will remain garbage. The only 'explotation' involved in this thread is the introduction of issues which were not raised by my post. Rather than respond to the concerns I raised, Alan Olsen chose to spew forth some unrelated diatribe about old memories of people claiming to have 'broken' PGP. The cypherpunks list never seems to lack for members who seem to lack the capacity for independent thought and who then respond to invalid tangents to the issues raised, rather than give an intelligent response to the real issues raised. I noticed, long ago, that if Dr. Vulis posted several pages of intelligent, crypto-related material, then signed off with his "JG is a cocksucker" tag, that I could expect to see perhaps a single post dealing with the crypto issues he raised, and dozens of posts saying "is not" and/or "is too." Am I to presume that Alan and Roy used the Clipper chip as anal suppositories, for safe, secure, protection, right up to the moment that its weaknesses were found? I am certain that they are confident that the plastic Zimmerman they have on their computer dashboards will protect them from harm, but I put more faith in the words of Zimmerman himself, than in those who worship his graven software blindly. When Alan and Roy, among others, have blathered on about 'exploits' long enough to get it out of their system, then perhaps they might consider looking up the word 'compromised' and respond to the issues I raised in my post. Thus far, there has been nobody either competent or willing enough to address them. > Oh, by the way... if you actually do this, I hope other people talk > about it because the *PLONK* you just heard was you hitting my killfile. Ah, yes, the old '*PLONK* and *RUN*' gambit. Is that a 'tail' I see between Roy's legs? TruthMonger

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by C M 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: "Experts slam PGP encryption"
by Moi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

e$pam wrote: > Forwarded by Robert Hettinga ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:19:59 -0500 > From: estone(a)synernet-d-o-t-.com (Ed Stone) (by way of root(a)127.0.0.1 > (Robert A. Hettinga)) > To: rah(a)shipwright.com > Subject: Re: "Experts slam PGP encryption" > Organization: Synernet > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Path: > thing1.leftbank.com!thing2.leftbank.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub > 1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink…! > news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet > .net!not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sci.crypt > Lines: 25 > NNTP-Posting-Host: estone.vnet.net > X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10.556 > X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.0 > > In article <5g34c8$4l$1(a)ftel.ftel.co.uk>, I.G.Batten(a)ftel.co.uk > says... > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > In article <3324B1D6.2F8D(a)iconn.net>, josmo <josmo(a)iconn.net> wrote: > > > feel rsa is built more for speed. the feds can brute a 128 bit key > > > whenever they want too. the real delema is that if you make it bigger it > > > > Unless IDEA has pathways that make attacks significantly faster than > > brute force possible (and I mean _significantly_, not a few bits) then I > > serious doubt anyone can brute force a 128 bit key. You aren't making > > the mistake of believing that a 128 bit key is 64 times harder to break > > than a 64 bit key, are you? > > > > ian > > If you try *100 trillion* keys per second, and find the key half way > through the keyspace, a 128-bit key will be found in only 5.4 x 10^14 > centuries! > > -- > ------------------------------- > Ed Stone > estone@synernet d o t com > ------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------- > The e$ lists are brought to you by: > > Intertrader Ltd: Just released (Feb 97) "Digital Money Online" > <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> > > Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion > http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk > > Like e$pam? Help pay for it! See <http://www.atanda.com/rah.html> > Or, for e$pam sponsorship, see <http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/> > > Thanks to the e$ e$lves: > Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> > (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> > Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> > Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> > HTMLurgist: Cynthia Zwerling <mailto:czrider@@webstuff.apple.com>

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Re: "Experts slam PGP encryption"
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: kilgallen(a)eisner.decus.org > Subject: Re: "Experts slam PGP encryption" > Organization: LJK Software > And of course, the ultimate trust fallacy - > > "I trust this code was signed by that entity." (verifiable) > "I trust that entity is honorable." (judgement call) > > THEREFORE: > > "I trust that entity is competent to avoid security bugs." > > Many > will "trust" those entities which have spent their money on television > ads rather than on avoiding security bugs. ...or trust those who holler loudest and longest about the 'unbreakable' security of this or that product (or snake oil). "I don't care if my computer freezes, "As long as I've got my plastic Jesus, "Sitting right on top of my keyboard." "Spooks and phantoms, they ain't scary, "As long as I've got the Virgin Mary, "Sitting right on top of my keyboard." "The military, they can't kill me, "As long as I've got my buddy, Phil Z. "Sitting right on top of my keyboard." "Moe and Curly, also Larry, "Keep the Feds from being scary, "Sitting right on top of my keyboard. TruthMonger

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by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Failure of centralized certificates - was "Experts slam PGP
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

e$pam wrote: > From: kilgallen(a)eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: Failure of centralized certificates - was "Experts slam PGP > encryption" > In article <5g8i92$4rs(a)news.ox.ac.uk>, patrick(a)gryphon.psych.ox.ac.uk > (Patrick Juola) writes: > >>As a corporation with diverse ownership, it should be much more complex > >>for VeriSign to subvert their own system for a cause than it would be > >>in the case of an individual such as Phil Zimmermann or David Sternlight. > The only ones we care about are those with "keys to the kingdom". > In the case of those who are so empowered, one needs positive > incentive for them to corrupt the database. Could some political > cause provide that incentive -- yes. Damn good thing that there are no political issues surrounding crypto. TruthMonger

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by Strut Your Stuff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Upcoming Crypto Actions
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In addition to the March 20 House hearing on Goodlatte's HR695 where Phil Karn will testify, there's a Senate hearing on Leahy's PRO-Code bill: March 19; 2:00 p.m. Commerce, Science, and Transportation To hold hearings on S. 377, to promote electronic commerce by facilitating the use of strong encryption. SR-253 This was postponed from March 11, perhaps in concert with Goodlatte to maximize coverage of the issue. Recall that the administration is due to shortly release its policy on international encryption agreements. And BXA has scheduled several actions to comply with The Wassenaar Arrangement: [November 29, 1996 (Volume 61, Number 231)] [Unified Agenda] >From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [frwais.access.gpo.gov] [Page 62337-62348] DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE (DOC) [Excerpts] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bureau of Export Administration--Final Rule Stage --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regulation Sequence Title Identifier Number Number --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 669 Changes to the Commerce Control List to Accord With the Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use Goods and Technologies.................. 0694-AB35 670 Changes to the Export Administrative Regulations To Implement the Guidelines and Information Sharing Provisions of the Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use......................... 0694-AB40 676 Incorporation of the Wassenaar Arrangement Into Category 2 of the Commerce Control List; Expansion of License Exception CIV.............................................. 0694-AB48 [End excerpts]

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Re: Silvernail Concedes / Hides In Shame
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > For the rest of the list, my comments were sent to > an7575(a)anon.nymserver.com in private mail. He/she/it chose to quote > private mail to the list. Make of that what you will. If this is the case, Roy, I apologize. I didn't notice that you had changed the reply-to address on your response to bypass the anonymity of your reply, so it appeared in my headers in the same format as those replies I receive through the list. I sometimes forget that there are those who do not wish the contents of their private email to reflect on their public image. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it, however, since many people on the list hate to have their bubbles burst and probably killfiled me after my first post. I'm still waiting for someone to reply to the actual issues I raised in my post, as opposed dealing with imaginary daemons that they tacked on to the thread. TruthMonger

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