December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Reporters, Declan, Columns, Articles, and Angles
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > At 1:00 AM -0400 4/9/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >I'll be going to both events, of course. I'll try to drag an article or > >column out of the "regulation in the digital age" conference, so check out > >netlynews.com around that time. Maybe in the Afterword section. > > Just when I was beginning to think Declan was not just a typical journalist.. > (long flame skipped) I guess Timmy May is still miffed at Declan for exposing Timmy and Cocksucker John Gilmore as plug-pulling censors? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: which remailers are safe?
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:01 AM 4/9/97 -0500, 00043.an(a)edtec.com wrote: |For some reason my anonymized posts here are never arriving? |So I try this service - does anyone know about edtec.com? |The problem is, does anyone really know who their remailer is? |Which ones are known absolutely to be run by safe operators, |and which ones are thought or known to be trolls by Unsavory Characters? |I am very interested to see if this post makes it to the list! Dear 00043.an, I have a sense of being here before! 'Twas a post such as this that called forth TruthMngler. Spare us! Alec

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Re: Black box attacks (was Re: Crypto-Dongel)
by Cynthia H. Brown 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Jeremiah A Blatz wrote: > Dave Emery <die(a)pig.die.com> writes: > > I have heard about thermite devices being used for this in > > the sort of applications that might warrent it. Granted that this > > is a royal fire hazard unless very carefully engineered, but at least > > it is not an explosive per se.... > > Thermite is probably overkill unless you're trying to dust something > big like a hard drive. Just a bit of magnesium (which is often used as > primer for thermite) should do the trick on a chip. I wonder if it's > really essential to be so drastic, though? Would just getting the chip > really hot be enough to wipe it? What about exposing it to a big arc? > One might imagine a PCMCIA with a voltage doubling diode ladder and a > small capacitor... would this be sufficient? If you're trying to destroy a standard IC, why don't you just hook up the power and ground pins to a 120V AC outlet? No special equipment or substances required, just a couple of wires. Done it myself, and some chips make a really neat popping sound as the top blows off :-) Warning for the electronically challenged: don't use this method if you care about the rest of the board. Cynthia =============================================================== Cynthia H. Brown, P.Eng. E-mail: cynthb(a)iosphere.net | PGP Key: See Home Page Home Page: http://www.iosphere.net/~cynthb/ Junk mail will be ignored in the order in which it is received. Klein bottle for rent; enquire within.

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Re: which remailers are safe?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

00043.an(a)edtec.com wrote: > > does anyone know about edtec.com? > The problem is, does anyone really know who their remailer is? > Which ones are known absolutely to be run by safe operators, > and which ones are thought or known to be trolls by Unsavory Characters? The edtec.com remailer is run by communist agents within the CIA who share their informations with capitalist agents in Red China. I will phone you at your unlisted number later tonight, in order to discuss this matter further. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Reporters, Declan, Columns, Articles, and Angles
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > I've been on cypherpunks long before I got my press credentials. The > topics genuinely interest me, and this is one of the few jobs where I can > follow them full-time. If I wanted to make a decent living, I would have > taken that job as a management consultant instead. (Some of us aren't > independently wealthy, Tim.) Mercenary? Not quite. Journalists don't get > paid a whole hell of a lot. And Declan's articles genuinely interest 'me'. Having done a variety of 'reports' ranging from business reports to press reports, I recognize that they have to be written so as to be readable to those with no deep-rooted background in the events or issues being reported. While those who faithfully follow the CypherPunks list and the issued discussed here may find his reports somewhat shallow, I try to read them from the perspective of those who have an interest in the issues but only limited knowledge concerning them. From this perspective, Declan's reports do a good deal to enlighten the masses in regard to whatever issue he addresses. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: on micro-explosions was Re: Black box attacks (was Re: Crypto-Dongel)
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:46 PM 4/8/97 -0700, shadow(a)count04.mry.scruznet.com wrote: >instead of minute quantities of explosives one could use extremely fine wires >suspended a small distance from the substrate to be destroyed. >Feed a short(below 3 ms) high current pulse(figure a 400w/s photoflash supply) >the wavefront from the exploding wire will be in the supersonic region. >this method may be used in lieu of explosives to achieve the effect of >a high order detonation. gee wonder if the >atf will forbid us capacitors and wires now :) Wavefronts are a possibility. The disadvantage of any capacitor based system is that capacitors discharge over time. If the system gets disconnected from the power supply, before long the device has to be activated or lose its effectiveness. "Use it or lose it". This may not be ideal for the particular application. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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WebWorld 29
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Black box attacks (was Re: Crypto-Dongel)
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:35 PM 4/9/97 -0400, Cynthia H. Brown wrote: >If you're trying to destroy a standard IC, why don't you just hook up the >power and ground pins to a 120V AC outlet? You are unlikely to have AC in a system by the time the tamper detector senses an intrusion. Similar problems apply to arcs and anything based on discharging a large capacitor. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: KC post per Alec
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin, whose sense of humor indicates he may not, after all, be a government Bot, wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 1997 at 12:27:29PM -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: > [...] > > By the way, I'm staying out of this latest tamper-responding device > > argument. I worked on this at Intel, actually. But I wrote a bunch of > > fairly long articles on this the 5th, or maybe it was the 7th?, time this > > came up, circa 1993. Those who refuse to learn from the threads of the past > > are condemned to repeat them. > > Let's see, to which would I rather be condemned: participating in a > lively, current discussion; or digging through musty outdated archives? I regularly cruise back through my archives of the CypherPunks list from as far back as the early 90's and I rarely find them outdated. And rather than being pretentious, I usually find them 'portentious'. > Yes, we could continually mine the archives for words of wisdom from > past participants, and thus pay them homage -- especially since it is > so painfully obvious that is what they crave. But we should forgive > them this weakness, for at some lonely age we all start wondering > about our legacy. There is, however, a far cry of difference between those to whom homage is due, and those to whom it is not. As much as I may have railed against the fascist censorship of the 'moderation experiment' badly instituted by John Gilmore, I am not ungrateful for the years of time and effort that he spent in hosting the CypherPunks list, and stated so in a post to the list before it moved on to new homes. Not knowing Tim May personally, I cannot comment on the description of him in the press as 'crusty' (not knowing if it refers to his personality or his sexual hygene), but I can see how a review of some of his recent posts might suggest that he would not be out of place in a remake of 'Grumpy Old Men'. However, his propensity for taking an attitude of 'been there, done that' (and spanking young pups on the list) in no way negates the fact that he 'has', in fact, been there and done that, and that his (somewhat vague) pointers to sources of information in regard to various list issues might prove valuable to those who have enough interest in the issue to want to indulge in a little research on the matter. While the discussions of those currently active on the list may be enlightening, there are certainly other CypherPunks (some active, some inactive) who have dealt with current issues in the past, and done so from a perspective and knowledge base that are equal or superior to those who are participating in current discussions. While Tim is certainly an icon on the list, I haven't seen any signs of senility seeping in, just yet. {From: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> Subject: Has anybody seen my shoes? I lost my shoes! } (OK, maybe a couple of signs..:) While I sometimes feel that the list would be better served by more of the long-time members being a little more specific in their aide to more inexperienced members seeking information, there is no doubt that much of the input they do provide is useful enough to point those seeking a better knowledge of crypto and crypto issues in directions which can bear much fruit if the individual is sincere enough to follow their pointers. Tim's legacy is already written in CypherStone, regardless of what he may or may not do in the future, as is that of Gilmore and Hughes. Despite whatever battles you or I may engage them in, in the future, we will be telling our grandchilren, "Hey, I <spit on>/<farted at>/ <kissed> him." when the movie 'Grouchy Old CypherPunks' hits the big screen. -- Toto "One TruthMonger down, four to go"

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Re: NSA Intercepts Sent to Democratic National Committee
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > Reports that the White House fed NSA phone intercepts to the Democratic > National Committee (DNC), for political purposes. > > The calls were between a New York businessman and a Latvian national. This reminds me how some stupid cunt on Usenet thought I was latvian and posted hundreds of kilobytes of flames about how stupid latvians were using me as an example. Of course, I am NOT latvian in any way. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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