December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: SAFE Bill is a Good Thing--"Crypto For The Masses"
by Seth Finkelstein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>On Thu, 1 May 1997, Alan Davidson wrote: >> 2. CDT Does Not Support The Criminal Provision in SAFE >At 22:09 5/01/97 -0500, Mac Norton wrote: >I don't get it. CDT loudly supports the bill. The bill >contains the criminal provision. I don't get it. Do you? I keep having bad flashbacks to Digital Telephony, and pre-CDA. Virtually all the lobbying groups would run around saying things like "we support this bill, but oppose this provision". Or convoluted stuff like "We oppose all these bills, but of the measures being considered, we support this one". The pattern is really bothering me. ================ Seth Finkelstein sethf(a)mit.edu

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Re: "restrict technical assistance by U.S. persons with respect to encryption"
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since I am going to quote portions of the EAR and make some comments on it, let me begin by stating that I Am Not A Lawyer, and none of this is to be taken as legal advice, or even accurate. On May 1, 10:18pm, Tim May wrote: > I hate it when people ask me to go dig up stuff...as I often end up wasting > my time doing it, instead of telling them to use their own search tools. I didn't mean for you to do the search, Tim. I have spent some time reading the EAR. For example, by reading the relevant sections of the EAR and correlating it with the Immigration and Naturlization Act, I figured out that it would be illegal for somebody in the US to give me encryption software, though it would be OK for them to give the same code to a certain class of illegal immigrants. During all this, I didn't come accross a section which said that "hooks" or something similiar (used to be known as a DES shaped hole), cannot be exported without a license. I was hoping that some of the lawyers who frequent cypherpunk, whose job it might to understand these regulations would be generous enough to post a pointer. > But it may have been worth it. While stupidly searching the EARs with my > tools, I found this little gem: > Sec. 730.5 Coverage of more than exports. > > * * * * * > (d) * * * The EAR also restrict technical assistance by U.S. > persons with respect to encryption commodities or software. > "Restrict", not prohibit. To atone for my sins, I decided to do some searching myself. This is actually expanded on in 744.9. 736.2 (b)(7)(ii) (general prohibition seven) says: (ii) You may not, without a license from BXA, provide certain technical assistance to foreign persons with respect to encryption items, as described in Sec. 744.9 of the EAR.// And in 744.9. // Sec. 744.9. Restrictions on technical assistance by U.S. persons with respect to encryption items. (a) General prohibition. No U.S. person may, without a license from BXA, provide technical assistance (including training) to foreign persons with the intent to aid a foreign person in the development or manufacture outside the United States of encryption commodities and software that, if of United States origin, would be controlled for ``EI'' reasons under ECCN 5A002 or 5D002. These ECCNs (whatever that means) is in http://jya.com/774-ccl05.htm. 5A002 is for hardware modules that do encryption functions. 5D002 applies to software. I won't quote it here, but from my reading it lists only software designed or modified for certain purposes, such as putting it in a hardware module, for one. The general prohibitions in part 736 does not make any other references to technical assistance, so I would think this is all the restriction that is there, but as I said, IANAL, and I haven't read the whole EAR. > > Anil, you'll have to do the research on where in the vast amount of stuff > on the EARs, the Munitions List, the CCL, etc. this is spelled out. I'm > done for the evening. Good night, Tim. Glad you could find something useful out of all that wasted time, and glad I could do some searcing for you in return. -- Anil Das

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Re: unSAFE
by geeman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

comment, though, on this caveat in the paragraphs you indicate: "(2) ITEMS NOT REQUIRING LICENSES. ... (but only to the extent that the authority of such Act is not exercised to extend controls imposed under this Act) .... " Seems to me that it says "the administration can still control xyz under the EAA, TWE, EEP, etc but not if such control extends the controls defined under HR695 SAFE" Looks like language to assuage the powers that be, while it creates AMBIGUITY and the need for interpretation (AKA court intervention) when some administration tries to overstep it's bounds. I don't think that's necessarily bad, since legislation has never existed that is ironclad anyway: it's always subject to some runaway Attorney General getting weird, as we have seen plenty of times. <usual caveats go here> At 05:34 AM 5/2/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:04:17 -0400 >From: Michael Sims <jellicle(a)inch.com> >To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >Cc: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org>, abd(a)cdt.org, Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net>, > declan(a)well.com >Subject: unSAFE > >Well, I've read Mr. Davidson's defense of the SAFE bill and of course >Mr. May's earlier argument against it. A few more comments. > > >Both analyses (all analyses I've seen) ignore this little fun fun >tidbit below: > ><--QUOTE--> > >(a) AMENDMENT TO EXPORT ADMINISTRATION ACT OF 1979. -- Section 17 of >the Export Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2416) is amended >by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection: > >"(1) GENERAL RULE.--Subject to paragraphs (2), (3), and (4), the >Secretary shall have exclusive authority to control exports of all >computer hard ware, software, and technology for information security >(including encryption), except that which is specifically designed, >or modified for military use, including command, control, and >intelligence applications. > >"(2) ITEMS NOT REQUIRING LICENSES. -- No validated license may be >required, EXCEPT PURSUANT TO THE TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT OR THE >INTERNATIONAL EMERGENCY ECONOMIC POWERS ACT (but only to the extent >that the authority of such Act is not exercised to extend controls >imposed under this Act), for the export or reexport of > >.... > >(b) CONTINUATION OF EXPORT ADMINISTRATION ACT.-For purposes of >carrying out the amendment made by subsection (a), the Export >Administration Act of 1979 shall be deemed to be in effect. > ><--/QUOTE--> > >{emphasis added, EXCEPT....ACT} > > ... etc ...

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Re: A new system for anonymity on the web
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney <hal(a)rain.org> writes: > Adam Back, <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk>, writes: > > The disadvantage of crowds is that it won't work to well over a 28.8k > > modem. Browsing the web is slow enough as it is, without having > > traffic make multiple hops through modem users machines. > > Good point. More generally, a path will only be as fast as its slowest > link. I suggested to the authors that the crowds could be segregated > by access speed, so that there could be separate crowd pools for 28.8 > modem users, for people who share connectivity over a limited-speed line, > and for people who have their own direct high-speed link. > > Theoretically, at least for long downloads, passing through multiple > slow links shouldn't slow down the transmission, I'm not sure that this is so. Ascii pic. consider Alice and Bob, without crowds: +----------+ | Internet | +----------+ | 2Mbits +-----+ | ISP | +-----+ 28.8k/ \28.8k / \ +---+ +---+ | A | | B | +---+ +---+ When Alice and Bob are online, consider that they are actually using their bandwidth most of the time. I know I do; if I'm not using it I hang up, with pay per second phone lines, you're likely to. Now add in crowds where traffic from A is going through B, and traffic from B is going through A: +----------+ | Internet | +----------+ | 2Mbits +-----+ | ISP | +-----+ 14.4k for Alice/ \14.4k for Bob 14k for Bob/ \+14.4k for Alice +---+ +---+ | A | | B | +---+ +---+ Now Bob and Alice each have 1/2 the bandwidth they had before. Add more users and longer hops and it gets worse. Of course my claim that Alice uses 100% of her bandwidth is probably an exaggeration. There will be idle times while she is reading. However there will be times when both Alice and Bob are downloading, for multiple users with multiple hops it is likley that there will be more than one user actively downloading at any time. > just increase the latency. I don't have a very clear picture about > how long it would take to snake in and out of a bunch of people's > modem lines en route to the web server. I'm sure it's going to increase the latency too. My ping times are 200ms from the PPP link alone (ie pinging the PPP server machine itself). Add to this that the members of the jondo / crowds pool may not be on the same ISP, and you've got the additional overheads of whatever latency is added by the cumulative latency between each of the hops in the chain. > If the latency does take an intolerable hit, maybe the idea we discussed > for the "keep alive" transmission would work, where all the web page > data gets downloaded with a single request. (I should clarify that I > was not suggesting that this be done all the time by default, but rather > that it be an extension to the http protocol, a different GET request > or a different parameter sent along with the GET.) > Another idea, which loses more anonymity but is still as good as the > Anonymizer, is to run your jondo on your ISP, if that is allowed. Then > other people's paths don't go through your modem, they just get turned > around at the ISP level. A spy at your ISP may be able to find out > where you are browsing, but the average web site won't. This compromise is probably retains a fair amount of anonymity. The ISP probably isn't loggin IP traffic, or incoming or outgoing web proxy (jondo/crowds) traffic, and probably isn't actively attacking your jondo process to see which bits are for you and which are being forwarded. I wonder if you could improve the security of this by trading off against some additional bandwidth consumption for the ISP. Say have split the jondo in half, with two cooperating half-Jondos acting as a single virtual jondo in such a way that someone with root access on one machine but not the other, can't extract any useful information by spying on that half of the jondo. > > The other problem is the scalability of the strong systems like DC > > nets or PipeNet. Bandwidth is still scarce. > > The Crowds people argued that their system automatically scaled, since > you had more jondos ("web remailers") the more people who used it. If > average path length is constant then the anonymous web browsing method > has a greater cost than the regular way, but it is a constant factor. Crowds migh scale in this way, but DC nets and Pipenets don't. Crowds is a weaker cousin of DC nets and Pipenets. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: "restrict technical assistance by U.S. persons with respect
by Scott Renfro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am anything _but_ a lawyer, but ... On 2 May 97 at 1:35, Anil Das wrote: > These ECCNs (whatever that means) is in http://jya.com/774-ccl05.htm. > 5A002 is for hardware modules that do encryption functions. 5D002 applies > to software. I won't quote it here, but from my reading it lists only > software designed or modified for certain purposes, such as putting it in > a hardware module, for one. Filling in the cross-references between 5D002 and 5A002 in the above URL, I read the following: a. Software having the same characteristics, or performing or simulating the functions of of equipment designed or modified to use "cryptography" employing digital or analog techniques to ensure "information security" is controlled. b. Software designed or modified to use such software is controlled. This is the clearest control of software "hooks" I have read in the reg. The software module performing encryption would fall under control due to (a) and the software designed with "hooks" for the encryption module would fall under control due to the restriction in (b). FWIW Scott

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Cyberstrike
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: FC: Responses to Tim May's criticism of SAFE, and a rebuttal (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:43:07 -0400 From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> To: Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com>, fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Cc: Charles Platt <cp(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: FC: Responses to Tim May's criticism of SAFE, and a rebuttal At 6:44 PM -0400 5/1/97, Charles Platt wrote: >From: Jonah Seiger <jseiger(a)cdt.org> >> Congress needs to stand up to the Administration and say, with a strong >> voice, "your policy is a failure - we need a different solution". That's >> what SAFE, Pro-CODE, and ECPA II do. > >For some reason I have difficulty trusting Congress to protect my rights >in this matter, or in any other matter. Those who seek help from >government should recall Barry Goldwater's famous quote, which went >something like this: "When you have a government big enough to give you >everything you want, it's big enough to take it all away." This is exactly the point. The Administration continues to push for a government-designed global key-recovery encryption policy that would, in the words of Grover Norquist (head of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform and supporter of SAFE), "force all Americans to go to bed at night with their doors unlocked and their car keys in the ignition". It's been 4 years of it - in various forms, the most recent being the first serious proposal in history to impose DOMESTIC RESTRICTIONS on the ability of American Citizens to protect their privacy on American soil. The FBI, NSA, DOJ and the Clinton Administration want guaranteed law enforcement access to private encryption keys. That's what we are fighting against. All of us have been screaming (rightly) about Clipper and it's various mutant offspring from the beginning. Congress has at last gotten the message and is aggressively taking the lead -- 3 bills designed to relax government regulation of encryption technologies and prohibit the government from imposing key escrow or key recovery inside the US. I too share your skepticism about trusting Congress to solve all our problems. They didn't give us much reason to when they passed the CDA. And even in the best of circumstances, legislation is rarely "perfect". But in this case I honestly believe the sponsors of SAFE (78) and Pro-CODE (21) have got it basically right. The administration clearly has it totally wrong. We have a long way to go yet before this debate is over, and I suspect the Administration has a few more tricks left up its sleve. We owe it to our allies in Congress, and to the issues we say we believe in as participants on this list, to give this our best effort. Call that 'pragmatism' if you want. We have never considered that to be a derogatory term. Jonah -- Jonah Seiger, Communications Director (v) +1.202.637.9800 Center for Democracy and Technology pager: +1.202.859.2151 <jseiger(a)cdt.org> http://www.cdt.org PGP Key via finger http://www.cdt.org/jseiger/ * Value Your Privacy? The Governmet Doesn't. Say 'No' to Key Escrow! * Adopt Your Legislator - http://www.crytpo.com/adopt

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