December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Jim Bell in the Oregonian
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Bell has an editorial (with his picture) in the Oregonian. (Morning edition, May 6th, 1997 page B-9.) It takes up about a quarter of the page. It is an interesting read. It does not address the problems with AP, but it does deal with the raid and other issues involved. Jim might consider posting a copy of the original article here. Given the Oregano's love of cut-and-paste journalism, it would be interesting how the original and print versions differ.

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Hacking the Crypto Ban
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An article in "Intelectual Property" magazine on hacking around the crypto export ban at http://www.ipmag.com/crypto.html . Get it while it is still there. Goes into great length about the EAR and those Hamletionians pouring poison into it. (Sorry... Started channeling John Young there for a moment...)

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Re: (fwd) Re: XS4ALL censored pages (fwd)
by root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:03:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Felipe Rodriquez <felipe(a)xs4all.nl> To: Alex de Joode <usura(a)replay.com> Cc: root(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: XS4ALL censored pages (fwd) Hi, Plz forward this to the cypherpunk list: > As we guessed XS4ALL don`t even have the guts to send us a copy of the > pages they censored. Check this out... > > > >>Postmaster, > >> > >>Please send me a copy of your current pricing for web space. > >>Also, please send me a copy of the marajuana pages you recently removed > >>from your web server. > > > >Hearby you recieve information about all services from xs4all. > > > >We don't know anything about marajuana pages so we can't send you a copy of > >that. The simple reason that a copy cannot be sent is that we have no such copy. The Dutch police have asked us to remove these pages, because they where being used to sell and distribute marihuana, hashish and XTC. These drugs had been distributed to countries like France, England and Japan. Through Interpol these countries had requested the dutch police to take action against these pages. If Xs4all would not have removed the pages we'd have been target of a criminal investigation. Kind regards, Felipe Rodriquez

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May 10th San Francisco area Cypherpunks Meeting Announcement
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What: San Francisco Bay Area Cypherpunks Monthly Phyical Meeting When: Saturday May 10th, 12 noon Where: PGP World Headquarters, San Mateo, California Bayview Federal Building, second floor conference room 2121 S. El Camino Real, San Mateo, California South of the intersection of Highway 92 and El Camino Real http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/contactpgp.cgi#head See attached detailed directions below. Possible Agenda: Political situation update for GDR, Brittan, USA, somone? Crypto at the 38th IETF Meeting report, Hugh Daniel Hidden USSA Citizen Unit ID & Reporting law PASSED US Congress! P/MIME & PGP beta testing update, Dave del Torto Hot topics of the day, what ever you need to talk about. Future Meetings Dave's Directions to PGP's HQ in San Mateo (fossil fuel version). .................................. MACRO ................................... + From the North Bay: - Hwy 101 South (use right lanes after passing SFO) - EXIT Fwy 92 West (move to center lane immediately after ramp)... or - 280 South (take Hwy 92 East toward the Bay)... + From the South Bay: - 101 North - EXIT Fwy 92 West (toward Half Moon Bay)... or - 280 North - EXIT Hwy 92 East (toward the Bay)... + From the East Bay: - San Mateo Bridge (Hwy 92 West) - GO past Hwy 101... + From Hale-Bopp: - LEFT turn at Beta Pictoris. - LOCATE greenish-blue planet third out from star w/9-10 planets in orbit. (High radiation readings make it obvious.) - PROCEED to Northern hemisphere. - FIND the largest body of water. (Travel in the direction of the planet's rotation until you reach the longest coastline running between the polar ice-caps.) - FOLLOW the biggest N-S seismic fault. - RIGHT turn at the large reddish suspension bridge. - SOUTH along coast to large reservoir at intersection of Hwy 280 and 92. - WEST on Hwy 92... .................................. MICRO ................................... + Once you're on Hwy 92 (from either 280 or 101) - EXIT at SOUTH El Camino Real (From 101 it's about a mile, the 2nd of two El Camino exits) (From 280 it's about 7 miles, after you've come down a steep grade, levelled out and passed under an overpass) - Curve around and down under freeway: you're now travelling south on El Camino Real. - Get in the LEFT lane *immediately*. (Directly in front of you, you can see the Bayview highrise a couple of blocks away.) - LEFT on 20th. (The very first traffic light after exit ramp. Taco Bell on left). - RIGHT turn at next stop sign (Palm St.). - PROCEED 1.5 blocks. (Parking Garage entrance at rear of Bayview building is on your right.) - PARK on the 2nd level. .................................. NANO ................................... + Once you've parked your flying saucer in the Garage: - STAIRS (or Elevator) to the main level, step out and... - WALK WEST across the courtyard to the main (tallest) building. - PASS through the doorway in the stand-alone exterior "glass wall" and approach the "information" window (also the guard station) on the north side of the building. - GET the guard's attention (preferably *not* by waving a firearm). Use the passwords ("PGP" or "cypherpunks") and you'll be admitted. If the guard's on a break, call my cellphone 415.730.3583. - ELEVATOR to 2nd Floor. (The meeting room is on left side, slightly down the hall) PGP's offices are on the 9th Floor (soon the 10th too). ............................................................................ For CalTrain-ers, get off at the San Mateo station near the Bay Meadows horse racing track and head for the tallest building around with the huge "Bayview" sign on top. For the bus, take any line running on El Camino Real to the intersection of 20th in San Mateo and dismount. You're there.

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CBD - DEA - TELEPHONE MONITORING DEVICE
by Michael F. Reusch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.ld.com/cbd/archive/1997/04(April)/30-Apr-1997/58sol008.htm Commerce Business Daily, April 30, 1997 Drug Enforcement Administration, Office of Acquisition Management, 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia 22202 58 -- SOURCES SOUGHT -- TELEPHONE MONITORING DEVICE SOL 97-SP0453 POC Yolanda Jordan, Purchasing Agent, (202) 307-7805 The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is seeking to identify qualified sources to provide a telephone data recording system which will provide management with the following: 1) provides for centralized management; 2) has synchronized agent directories; 3) multiple leveled and layered, user profile security; 4) a strategic framework to support future functionality 5) easy-to-use for users; 6) automate and simplify the entire monitoring process of voice and data; 7) provide an objective approach to personnel evaluation and analysis; 8) provide insight into the effectiveness of the software applications and hardware systems being used by employees; 9) provide a training tool for employees, classroom environments and peer group sessions; 10) provide a means for fraud detection; 11) work in oracle local area network. this system shall perform on-line evaluation, product data, analysis/report of telephone conversations and customer account screens across a wide area network. This information will also need to provide storage for data for three to six months. This announcement is not a Request for Proposal or Request for Quotation. there is no solicitation/RFQ available. We request that interested sources submit a capability statement that clearly identifies their capabilities by May 27, 1997 to U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA 22202, Attn: Yolanda Jordan. Any questions should be directed to Ms. Yolanda Jordan at 202-307-7805. DEA does not intend to award a contact on the basis of this request for information or otherwise pay for the information solicited.

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Re: Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov writes: > Dave Hayes wrote: > > Judgementally speaking, if you spam, you may not continue to condemn > > spammers and be consistent. > Let's say, what if instead of spamming Prof. Arachelian hacks Cyberpromo > and deletes all files there? Would it also be inconsistent, in your > view? What makes you think that my view of consistency has anything to do with this action? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue.

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Re: Jim Bell in the Oregonian
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:09 5/06/97 -0700, Alan wrote: > >Jim Bell has an editorial (with his picture) in the Oregonian. (Morning >edition, May 6th, 1997 page B-9.) It takes up about a quarter of the >page. > >It is an interesting read. It does not address the problems with AP, Given that the article was, more or less, limited to 800 words (it actually runs about 40 over this informal limit) it is by no means surprising that it "does not address the problems [sic] with AP." Why would you think it would?!? > but >it does deal with the raid and other issues involved. And I've already posted it, but it probably hadn't appeared to most CP subscribers, certainly not by the time you posted your note, and maybe not even when I post this note. > >Jim might consider posting a copy of the original article here. Given the >Oregano's love of cut-and-paste journalism, it would be interesting how >the original and print versions differ. I didn't seen any substantial changes to the body of the article, although my preferred title wasn't used. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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AP --> AR
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May verily saith [paraphrase]: > I would cry few tears if D.C. got nuked This will be an historical event of importance comparable to the American Revolution and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Even now Clinton and his organization are pointing weapons of mass terror and murder at hundreds of millions of people around the world, and other leaders of these gangs with weapons too murderous to be called gangs, these terrorists far too terrifying to the called terrorists, are pointing their weapons at us. Far from enemies, the supergang chieftans contribute to each others' campaigns, turning democracy into a sick joke. The fact of friendship between super-terrorist leaders does not stop them from threatening us with terror and death in the name of "defense" against "enemy nations", and by the most bizarre hypocrisy ever dreamed up by the mind of man, trampling our rights in the name of controlling "terrorism". The supreme justice will be done when these weapons of mass terror are turned back on their wielders and those proximate who have failed to use their proximity to bring these ultimate criminals to justice. Those innocents who die will be mourned as saviours for the many tens of millions who would have been murdered by governments in the twenty first century, as they have been in the twentieth. I live about one hundred-fifty miles away from that fetid place, sometimes downwind. The risk to my family from the fallout is fairly small compared to the risks we face every day from these super-terrorists pointing weapons at us, threatening us constantly, sometimes murdering us outright when they can cook up a good enough story to justify it on the evening news. The money I have to spend to protect my family from the fallout, and from any temporary economic setback to our region, would be earned back in less than a year of not having my livelihood sucked away by these mass murdering parasites, and the very lives of my beloved family, my lovely wife, my son and my two daughters, threatened by their thug friends and campaign contributors overseas. D.C. may lead the nation in personal crimes, but these are as nothing next to the crimes it has committed against the peoples of the rest of the nation and the world. These self-legalized criminals have in this administration alone murdered more children than Charles Manson killed adults. AP may be more targeted, but it just doesn't do the crimes justice. For that will come AR -- appropriate response. "John the Baptist"

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Since when is supporting unrestricted crypto unreasonable?
by Omegaman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir(a)vtw.org> writes: > You're pretty hard on CDT, but EFF, EPIC, the ACLU, VTW, Americans for Tax > Reform, the Association for Computing Machinery, Computer Professionals for > Social Responsiblity, Eagle Forum, the National Association for Criminal > Defense Lawyers, and PGP Inc all signed this letter. > > Can you consider, perhaps, for a second, that critics of SAFE are being > unreasonable? No. Perhaps we consider accepting the bill with such glaring loopholes unreasonable. > I would think so, as critics of SAFE include the Clinton > Administration. Is that the kind of company that cypherpunks keep? I'll let this remark stand on it's own merit. > Looks like widespread support from people who study this issue for living. > I'm glad to be counted among them. Interesting dismissal and point of view from an organization which is ostensibly a promoter of civil liberties. The trace of elitism in this quote is an irony that this reader didn't miss. "Democracy," indeed. It appears that in your daily study of this issue -- and I'm assuming that familiarity with Cypherpunks is part of that -- you missed some of the differences between many Cypherpunks and your organization(s). We all agree that unrestricted/unregulated Cryptography is a "good thing." However, the compromises ACLU, EPIC, EFF, CDT, etc. are willing to make with this bill do not further this ultimate goal. Unless the administration intends to simply ignore the obvious loopholes. There are also some philosophical differences. To quote Alan Davidson: > There is a right we don't have now: The right to export strong > cryptography. The result is that strong, easy-to-use encryption is not > seamlessly integrated into most popular products, and is not accessible to > most people Actually, the government doesn't have the right to impose restrictions on strong cryptography. Yet time and again, it has attempted to do so, resulting in -- as Alan noted -- a chilling effect on the spread of strong crypto in the mass market. And government will continue attempts to reach into regulation of crypto. This is why compromise is unacceptable. Far better to work around it attempting to spread cryptography far and wide while legislators and administrators struggle to slip their agenda past your watchful eyes. But there is another force at work here. There is no "killer" crypto app in the eyes of the masses. PGP 2.6xxxxx is probably the closest thing we currently have in this regard. Furthermore, crypto still remains largely below the public radar. While government officials can trot out the four horsemen with predictable reactions, the proverbial "other side" has few arguments that carry a similar impact. We can cite abuses, encroachment on civil liberties, increasing surveillance efforts, and numerous other frightening developments. None of these have broken into the mass conciousness in the same way that "protecting the children/public safety" arguments have. <Irony> Labels like "militia", "extreme edge" and "radical" also carry alot of weight in the increasingly paranoid public mind.</Irony> Until some outrageous surveillance or crypto related abuse occurs (cryptogate) or is uncovered , it will remain difficult to garner real mass public support. The Newt Gingrich cell-phone fiasco came as close as anything yet. Commercial interests "get it" & support crypto for wholly different reasons. I'm starting to think that until someone actually gets arrested and jailed for using strong, unbreakable encryption that is "suspected" of supporting a crime, little will change. In the meantime, the administration, Congress, and the TLA's will keep getting closer to achieving their goals.

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by Jenaer Mixmaster Anonserver 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For your interest and amusement... London Daily Telegraph, 5/6/97 "French coders go on strike" France's 260 Foreign Ministry coders, who decipher top security messages, went on strike yesterday for the first time since their department was set up in the 1960s. The strike is over career status, the lack of recruits and the impact of new technologies. Talks are to be held tomorrow. AFP, Paris

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