December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Carl Johnson Warrant and Complaint
by Anonymous 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

> Why would you claim only one person possessed the secret key? As you > doubtlessly know, some of the TruthMonger secret keys have been posted > to Cypherpunks anonymously. This is not authentication. Thank you. Prove it. Post the archived message where these secret keys were posted. Let's see the one which signed: http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.97.12.04-97.12.10/msg00356.html Note to the clueless guy(a)panix.com, who asks: > Entirely unexplained is how one goes from passphrase "sog" (Shit on government?) > to decrypting the PGP message. I'm impressed. You're actually stupider than Jeff Gordon, the IRS flunky. He was able to figure it out, so why don't you try. Ask your kindergarten teacher to give you a gold star once you fumble your way to the answer.

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Re: Citizenship silliness. Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism
by Petro 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

At 11:52 AM -0500 9/9/98, William H. Geiger III wrote: >In <v03110703b21c4777ca38(a)[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/09/98 > at 09:58 AM, Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> said: >>At 11:25 PM -0500 9/8/98, William H. Geiger III wrote:>>>In >><v03110710b21b6a259806(a)[206.189.103.244]>, on 09/08/98 >>> at 06:17 PM, Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> said: >>>> No, more like a get off our fucking land. >>>Sure thing, and where you live, exactly who's land was it before you got >>>there? >> Point is, the "Arabs" didn't start it, the UN/European leaders (US, UK, >>FR, and RU) did. >Both the Palestinians and the Jews living in Trans-Jordan wanted their own >country. The UN resolution divided up the land based on population and >gave each group their own country. Israel declared their independence, the >Palestinians listened to the Grand Mufti and join in the holy war to wipe >out the Jews. The Arabs lost, too bad, game over. > >And interesting note to the whole palestinian "issue" is that the majority >of the population of Jordan is palestinian!! And long before the Intifada >the PLO tried to take over the government of Jordan and were embroiled in >civil war for most of the 60's and early 70's. The Jordanian Arabs finally >kick the PLO out in the early 70's (71 maybe 72). > > >> If I move you off your property at the point of a gun, should I expect >>you to _like_ it, even if I gave you what I consider "fair market value"? > >This re-wright of history might give you warm fuzzies but no one was moved >at gun point off their land (at least not until the Arabs started the >war). The Jews that emigrated to Trans-Jordan/Palestine *purchased* the >land from the Arabs that were living there. Even after the war the >majority of palestinians left on their own. Ok, I'm rewriting history, you say IN THE SAME POST: The UN resolution divided up the land based on population and gave each group their own country. --and-- The Jews that emigrated to Trans-Jordan/Palestine *purchased* the land from the Arabs that were living there. So tell me, is there a difference between being _told_ you will sell your house and move, and deciding you really would prefer to live elsewhere? Oh, and when this artifical coutry was set up, did EVERYONE have equal say in the government, or were certain Northern Europeans of jewish faith considered more equal. Of course, being given the short end of the political and economic stick couldn't be considered an incitement. >None of the current Arab countries existed until the British carved up >their conquered territory after WWI. If Israel is not "legitimate" because >of UK/UN involvement does it follow that all of the Arab states that were >formed at this time are also illegitimate? Perhaps we should should The region was carved up using an existing population, not by importing one from a different country. Like Mr. May, I have no problems with anyone who wants to live anywhere in peace and co-existence. The Israeli government is not interested in that, if it were politically possible, they'd do the same to the Palistanians as the Germans tried to do to them. >I find it quite hypocritical of Americans who see the Israelites as >occupiers and oppressors but would be outraged at calls to give back the >south-west to Mexico. Tim, you want to give your ranch to some Mexican >family since the Americans took that land from them? but then the mexicans >would have to give that land back to some deserving "native" Americans as >they took that land from them. But then again we would have to sift >through the thousands of years of tribal warfare and migration to find the >one true owners of the land. You seem to be saying that Conquest by Force Of Arms is acceptable, then the PLO is still trying to take back what they lost. petro(a)playboy.com----for work related issues. I don't speak for Playboy. petro(a)bounty.org-----for everthing else. They wouldn't like that. They REALLY Economic speech IS political speech. wouldn't like that.

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question...
by Bernardo B. Terrado 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

What is the TEMPEST? (just an overview) What do enciphered images look like? Thank you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some people they might say that I'm hard to get to know. I go my own sweet way, well that maybe so. Something about the crowd that makes me walk alone. I never had a need in me to be the party's life and soul. It's me Bernie. metaphone(a)altavista.net ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

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Cypherpunks as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise?
by Tim May 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Could our group be charged as a "continuing criminal enterprise" under the RICO statute? It occurs to me that if Carl Johnson, who is linked several times to our group/list in the court documents, is successfully prosecuted,then the Feds may be able to cite both Bell and Johnson as evidence of a conspiracy. Which probably wouldn't be too hard to prove, as many of us have admitted to conspiring mightily to undermine various institutions. (And we even use encypted e-mail, the very essence of a secret conspiracy.) It might be fun to see them try this. Would they charge some of us as ringleaders? Or would they declare the entity itself an illegal organization? (As they have done with various cultural, political, and even religous groups, like Hezbollah, the Aum religion, etc.) Interesting times. --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - September 9, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

CTIAs Daily News From WOW-COM was not circulated yesterday and today because of a wireline telephone system failure that is disrupting service to the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association building in Washington, D.C. We regret the inconvenience this may have caused you and look forward to resuming the Daily News service as soon as possible.

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Re: Carl Johnson's private key
by jimg＠mentat.com 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Declan skribis: > I make that point in my article, but have not seen truthmonger's private > key posted. Care to forward it to me? I stopped paying attention to most of Truthmonger's spew, but did collect one private key it posted, under the name "Earmonger", since I was doing PGP experiments at the time. I think this one doesn't have an associated passphrase, which would make forging with it quite simple. I sort of think more of its private keys were posted, but I didn't keep any others. This does, however, establish a pattern of behavior suggesting it didn't keep private keys strictly private. IIRC many of TM's messages were simply file-encrypted with an openly posted passphrase, which doesn't take a rocket scientist to crack. Jim Gillogly -------------------------------------------- Earmonger key, clipped last year: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQENAzZsmI4AAAEIANHHMhV7V8WqPO6RjjfhZbeY/e6hsjAjKckU7YAYPhHiJfqG xw5+PgVjRPhIpXEE8ksmzZBzyH5KLW5GKFJZoD6YvVUSuzm+Gpxv+G78sBDBljUt BUoaB0XM4HSjEuqZtRtva+l+MAr3tFrK8FSdCsSgjQa8oOT5yFE76hgOGOkXGDKC HAISINKdduNsp4PU6HiNoKMdYpCCvK5u08lQFcByare2yaYmawYLmCzheCWLv9F/ kvnFtXCjup/pQNcOVeb/FkDx42l4vMwiWTH+AvrsjsV1njUIi9DTmcmD4doPlzBS qgbvQiTa16T2E4wJlnmATuW3QdwuBbdT2FSgj3MABRG0F0Vhck1vbmdlciA8ZW1A ZGV2Lm51bGw+iQEVAwUQNmyYjgW3U9hUoI9zAQHjNgf+KIDuWoBvfUj4H1twHvYU +IeDWIApLDnHkR7tsalLi9jY345iAolt3a/CiYxXPtjy9yedSaKoPasuvQk2cZ6e LZZwgEfDYj1GvjLC9D1rSItLLl6aDqYfhN2D2wgnB4mJssx1NP9zLQRf8aJkbDnl BMy3kfTr6ANmwe1hRGFWiuLkhnEtKzc9TFxBtx+4bx66rBBTzSUBfynH35bCLHLw hVzWGc5A0F18LG2WRLbGa/LcEXjp35jHyrJV73t2gUwVjH5qGa0B5O0dpvK9yDR9 wutFrmuhRgfqHO5Tclp470dkQFJv6HHMrSYyjRFFtyC9A+5Fvd1WkW7oLRAUxZmm HZkBogQ0i2ULEQQA17gNRCXxoQBVQVD+zukbAWtxMCio0tfXEJYPN516KNT7noeK dA4Q+TItlf8uC6VkUkUwabIueLZwvykDo83tnupSkvxEQ/EftLpm56kBIrgWprJM f0rIhFpIR0mNiT8ZH3z7OCAcQrfSCowk//4iESLLW8H0tFx5B9bPXrrrnkcAoP88 aezjfDn3DMlloJP9hNgRgvplA/0TKu4o2DNdIFAp/xeZE2R6wxrPfPfV00xNTgXe 5xXS3rCEljz48q6DEymmvA+oFuszKcrgOVDMT1TcKE1MzPjeKoe3c4Di92X+FoGa IenXHQrmfn7uUo54twYFqp8VsHgtfsg3F8KfFg/znF5BrIVq+aXQF9m/LczcObRz IXceEQQAhKvUfNYfP7NKA7sGkV38iFi8iJxsvkMk3RvlG6IxV0d3ATCRcvAFYUV3 fyap+CS0UnoBGZUmmIY5EvC2KyI9h8X+AXPymgM4JeQ2Hg7DnEXMegFwJ3iK9+Cg KlTS/R/h8qYUW5G1qYgYBU+JQ3I2wxmeaVWBBtYM0Rukppz+F5G0F0Vhck1vbmdl ciA8ZW1AZGV2Lm51bGw+iQBLBBARAgALBQI0i2ULBAsDAQIACgkQJH46DXlIPur3 KACgn/XD/dT+BvqkoDk1dOrbbdd00z0AnAqTYWdIKb1HkKf7Sfetwh/vKCXHuQIN BDSLZQsQCAD2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz 0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ+PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRP xfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarTW56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvN ILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY7288kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dD ox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMI PWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XpMgs7AAICCAC9H3enQ+6tZvcA5cjF3M2nTFCS IjerrQsQ5MZJ1EWYYhkgYkUQwtfuYL4NU/PelIo1TdYBr4mbNzxwJMFZ22cDNiOn J9oUhfDJyTA4yOacTxgl/wAXFD1FElzrVjlkf6TKW4+Db1elApcFbTDSvLNRPQev rtIrNRR480AtI8Um76RySrl9okI5L7TvtAXZMQnuyTtyA+YeG2/FvE3cOIY7EFXg Zm/jPGw6ijsbATKh6dsnb8f8dahB4awsTAzz0Unzx49TCUk0AdU9jbdP+8i+g9eJ uodZhd71d2o7HyhAwkVNKcsu5nqpFzwAWK5xSy5x1AprWWrTiu6uiAQ6T5Q/iQBG BBgRAgAGBQI0i2ULAAoJECR+Og15SD7qKaAAn0gbCIF0XzBifU27o9N7x4RI/IUX AJ49fXSrtX0w17W0gCe7BCvjXkRP7Q== =SVmn -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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RE: radio net (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

So much for "no domestic crypto restrictions." I really hate when people say that, there are plenty, and export restrictions on cryptography software and cryptography in software DOES indirectly but substantially affect the availability and cost of domestic encryption, not to mention that most people download export-grade crypto from the web for convenience. Isn't there a similar ban on encryption-capable telephones and other electronic devices (other than computers). Matt > > The FCC prohibits the transmission of encrypted data via > > analog or digital signals by amateurs.

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RE: question...
by Harvey Rook (Exchange) 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Hi Bernardo; TEMPEST isn't a cipher, but a technique. Essentially, your monitor is a great big RF emitter. As it's electron gun turns off and on to make the phosphor screen glow, it's emitting all kinds of radio frequencies that betray the image on the screen. A tempest attack is a receiver that can tune to a monitor, and reconstruct the image from the RF the monitor is emitting. Supposedly such equipment costs about $500.00 Harvey "Know it All" Rook. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernardo B. Terrado [mailto:bbt@mudspring.uplb.edu.ph] > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:03 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: question... > > > What is the TEMPEST? (just an overview) > > What do enciphered images look like? > > > > Thank you. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Some people they might say that I'm hard to get to know. > I go my own sweet way, well that maybe so. > Something about the crowd that makes me walk alone. > I never had a need in me to be the party's life and soul. > > It's me Bernie. > metaphone(a)altavista.net > `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > ```````````````` > > >

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Re: Cypherpunks as a Continuing Criminal Enterprise?
by Information Security 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

> From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > > Could our group be charged as a "continuing criminal enterprise" under the > RICO statute? OH GAWD PLEASE SOMEBODY SHUT DOWN THE MAY RANT-BOT! ---guy ;-)

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Re: Carl Johnson Warrant and Complaint
by Information Security 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

> From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > Note to the clueless guy(a)panix.com, who asks: > > Entirely unexplained is how one goes from passphrase "sog" (Shit on government?) > > to decrypting the PGP message. > > I'm impressed. You're actually stupider than Jeff Gordon, the IRS flunky. > He was able to figure it out, so why don't you try. Ask your kindergarten > teacher to give you a gold star once you fumble your way to the answer. Nice shot: your feet are now on fire. ---guy

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