December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: More on "Fraud" and Anguilla
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:29 PM 8/13/96 -0400, Vincent Cate wrote: > Again, what I said was my lawyer called and said it was illegal to sell > fake passports in Anguilla. The fraud was taxbomber saying he never sold > fake passports in his post to the net of "feel sorry for me my ISP made me > relocate even though I never sold fake passports". He never sold fake passports. If his passports had been marked "United States of America" or some such they would indeed be fake. They were not fake. Who says that only generally recognized governments of major nations are entitled to issue passports? > > a) what he was offering actually violated Anguillan law (was there a > > determination that selling camouflage passports violates a specific > > statute?) > My lawyer, probably the top lawyer in the country, said it is illegal in > Anguilla. I don't have a copy of that law. You should. The fact that you do not indicates alarming willingness to bend over, which is inconsistent with the way you represent your service in your ad. Amend the ad, or employ more spine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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2600 (the magazine)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, The current issue of 2600 is out. I bought mine at Barnes & Nobles. It has a couple of articles on cryptography as well as a port scanner program for Linux. Jim Choate

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Re: Anguilla...etc.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:25 AM 8/14/96 Moscow Time, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTD wrote: >"Greg Kucharo" <sophi(a)best.com> writes: >> While Tim may be right that nobility is lost when backing down to the >> authorities, the fact is that this game has little to do with noble >> purposes. ... > >Nor was there any activity from the authorities. > >A while back, when Vince first started advertizing his site, I asked him a few >hypothetical questions, and he said roughly this: If client X posts something >to Usenet from Vince's site, and if Y dislikes X's article so much that he >mailbombs X, then Vince would pull X's plug. (I have the exact quote saved.) >I lost interest right then. I'm not surprised that Vince acted dishonorably by >pulling a client's plug with no warning for a very flimsy reason. "Acted dishonorably"? Really, Dimitri, are all Russians this rude? (Seeing the battles on Usenet between the "Sovoks" and the "Gruborbots," I'm beginning to think so.) While I think the Anguilla situation is an interesting one to analyze, I avoid such loaded terms as "dishonorable." --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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[NOISE] Statists get to make choices, too.
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Dimitri Vulis KOTM writes: >There is no place on the 'net safe for the Usenet Cabal or the fucking statists >who call themselves "libertarians". Oh, sure there is. The Misguided Cabal Dupes [tm] have decided they prefer the relative order of the current system to the chaos of a disbarred lawyer's vision. News admins have simply taken extra steps to make sure that their services won't be disrupted by a few individuals who style themselves the "Usenet Freedom Knights." I'm sure the Fucking Statists have taken similar steps. Your right to rant doesn't override my right to ignore you. Isn't that really what this country's supposed to be about? The right to be left alone?

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yet ANOTHER "Internet == child porn "story.
by I=(!isnum(self)) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Again on today's CBS all-news stn. An elementary school teacher arrested for exchanging, or whatever, kiddieporn on the Internet. The reporter was duly dramatic and ominous sounding. Damn I wish I knew how many kiddie porners were doing their whatver OFF the 'net. Maybe, my fine friends, we're catching MORE o' them because they are on the net and clueless, rather than in back alleys and hard to find. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Recommended reading: "Manufacture of Consent", Noam Chomsky. Altho I hate much of his politics, that one's right on.

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Church of Scientology
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Scuttlebut is, CoS rolled over on some pesky ultra-right-wingers as a favor to Morris Dees and various scumbag associates. For this, CoS got their long-awaited (40-plus years!) federal tax-free status. This status is big cash, so naturally, interested parties wanted to know under what rules did CoS get their tax-free gift, since long-standing high court decisions laid out the profit-making business plan of CoS in no uncertain terms, explicit and detailed. Problem is, nobody was able to get the details of the policy change - did CoS change their business plan, or did the fed change their rules?

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FW: Re: talker
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Return-Path: <doom13(a)juno.com> >To: jwilk(a)iglou.com >Subject: Re: talker >References: <m0uzcEf-000bPKC(a)relay.iglou.com> >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5 >From: doom13(a)juno.com (Floyd W Odom) >Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 10:56:43 EDT Check this out guys & gals > >Hey Blake cyphering sucks. You want to live on the like us? I went to >jail for jackin the westroads. And I still got away wit some shit. > > > >Doom13 > > ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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Re: Encourage Singapore To Come Out Of the Stone Age
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:39 PM 9/3/96 +0800, Enzo Michelangeli wrote: > The idea that rights and values can be "natural" is contradicted by > several thousand years of history, during which absolutism or downright > tyranny have been well more common than freedom. The existence of foot binding in China is not evidence that women's feet have no particular natural shape. > The success of that misleading view in America, and by extension in most > of the western countries, is largely due to the unfortunate influence of > [...] When one engineers bridge, designed according to one theory of materials physics, stands up, and another engineers bridge, designed according to a different theory of material physics, falls down, does that not suggest that the first engineer knows what he is talking about, and the second engineer does not? > In the real world, freedom is a by-product of a materially prosperous > society (which is why capitalism generally produces free societies, but > socialism does not). First, you have this completely the wrong way around: Prosperity is the product of a free society. For example when the Dutch revolted from Spain, they were at first poorer than spain. Secondly there is ample counter evidence: For example in America before the european conquest, some Indian societies were extremely free and others, such as the Incas, had institutions very similar to modern totalitarianism, yet their material level was very different to today's, and not very different from each others. Again the Germanic tribes that conquered England had very high levels of liberty, yet were terribly poor, and the Icelanders of Saga period Iceland were very free, yet very poor. > Trying to build a free society by screaming loud > what the "natural" rights are supposed to be, has no better chances of > success than [...] Succeeded the last two times it was tried. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: TWA 800 - Friendly Fire?
by Stephen Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >-Millie >sfuze(a)tiac.net > >"What we have here is a FAILURE to COMMUNICATE" (some song) > Actually some movie, Cool Hand Luke, Paul Newman. The WAV file is around here somewhere. s.

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Re: What the NSA is patenting
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The NSA STM method is related to reading _very subtle_ variations in >magnetic domain modifications. Jitter in read-write head positions can be >thought of as a noise (N) added to some signal (S)l. > Extraction of signals >in low S/N ration environments is a well-developed science. As anyone who has ever subscribed to alt.sex will know ;-) Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Church of Scientology
by Jim Byrd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:44 AM 9/8/96 -0700, Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> wrote: >Scuttlebut is, CoS rolled over on some pesky ultra-right-wingers as a >favor to Morris Dees and various scumbag associates. For this, CoS got >their long-awaited (40-plus years!) federal tax-free status. > >This status is big cash, so naturally, interested parties wanted to know >under what rules did CoS get their tax-free gift, since long-standing >high court decisions laid out the profit-making business plan of CoS in >no uncertain terms, explicit and detailed. > >Problem is, nobody was able to get the details of the policy change - >did CoS change their business plan, or did the fed change their rules? This is exactly the subject of a lawsuit by Tax Analysts, Inc. against the IRS. This is still in progress. The cult is not a party to this suit, so they can't bring their lawyers into this one.

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Thank you
by Askbill Questions 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thank you for your email. I appreciate you taking the time to write to me. As you can probably imagine, I receive hundreds of messages from outside of Microsoft each day. While I love to read people's views and share ideas about technology, unfortunately, I am not able to answer each and every inquiry. Instead, I'll be responding to some of your questions in my column. The second column each month will be dedicated to answering questions from readers like you, so keep reading and I'll do my best to address the topics that are of interest to readers worldwide. I also invite you to check out the Microsoft website at http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo where you can find all of the columns, as well as lots of additional fun and useful information. Thank you for your continued support of Microsoft and our products and best of luck with all your endeavors, Bill Gates

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9yrold
by doom13＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone out there know any kids mailing lists, because my little brother Richard just joined and he doesn't have anything to mail to he's only 9 years old. floyd odom

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Re: PRESS RELEASE: GERMANY CENSORS DUTCH WEBSITE WWW.XS4ALL.NL
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:24 AM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote: > >* wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if the "Free Speech Blue Ribbon" now >attached to so many pages were to be joined by a "Star of David"? This Star >of David symbol could mean "We support freedom to read, and our site >contains the "Radikal" publication which Germans are forbidden to access." > Well I think the Star of David has so many meanings that the message may get muddled. Seems like busy sites can support the mirror of their choice by putting a note such as "This is a Radikal site". The "mispelling" is the medium. >(I know nothing of how such symbolic campaigns are actually launched and >managed, so I'm suggesting the hint of an idea. I do think mirroring the >banned publication (_any_ banned publication, by _any_ government) on as >many sites as possible is a Good Idea.) > Tell two people. Put up a mirror. Add a link on a busy page. Did I miss anything? --j http://206.101.74.42 is a Radikal site

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Cypherpunks subscribers - Singapore and NZ gvts, plus IRS
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I suppose it would be only polite to ask the Singapore government folks and IRS employees to join our conversation. The cypherpunks list now has nearly 1,400 direct subscribers, plus whoever reads it through local mail-news gateways. (Note I'm not indicating that a .gov.sg or .irs.gov address implies anything about an individual's personal political beliefs.) -Declan // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com // video(a)nhmxw0.fnal.gov e875836(a)popcorn.llnl.gov foley_p(a)kosmos.wcc.govt.nz cypherpunks(a)cheetah.llnl.gov cypherpunks(a)citec.qld.gov.au kwans(a)nii.ncb.gov.sg sklim(a)nii.ncb.gov.sg cypherpunks-x(a)nasirc.hq.nasa.gov rromine(a)nsf.gov peter(a)nii.ncb.gov.sg kfall(a)ee.lbl.gov timb(a)defcen.gov.au marty.burkhouse(a)ccmail.irs.gov peterb(a)lanl.gov cypherpunks-2localnews(a)mailhost.dpie.gov.au stevek(a)telchar.jpl.nasa.gov il1(a)ornl.gov walters(a)snad.ncsl.nist.gov bgamble(a)wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov "Bruce C. Dovala" <bdovala(a)solaria.mil.wi.us> kmigoe(a)orion.ncsc.mil kda36(a)naic.wpafb.af.mil mengertc(a)seoul-1sig.korea.army.mil tut(a)ncr.disa.mil holmesb(a)rl.af.mil serverb(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil sezgin(a)tsk.mil.tr halland(a)hq.hqusareur.army.mil

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Denver Physical Cypherpunks Meeting?
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone in the front range interested in a physical meeting? Majordomo's Net Cafe at 1401 Ogden is a natural. Let me know. I'm teaching some fundamental crypto classes there next month, and it's never a bad idea to get our heads together on effecting the passage of Pro Code and SAFE. -- According to John Perry Barlow: *What is EFF?* "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker." *email <info(a)eff.org>* *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** US Out Of Cyberspace!!! Join EFF Today! *email <membership(a)eff.org>*

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John Locke on True Names
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9. But it will be here said that, if _moral knowledge_ be placed in the contemplation of our own _moral ideas_, and those, as other modes, be of our own making, what strange notions will there be of _justice_ and _temperance_? What confusion of virtues and vices, if everyone may make what _ideas_ of them he pleases? No confusion or disorder in the things themselves, nor the reasonings about them; no more than (in mathematics) there would be a disturbance in the demonstration, or a change in the properties of figures and their relations one to another, if a man should make a triangle with four corners, or a _trapezium_ with four right angles: that is in plain _English_, change the names of the figures and call that by one name which mathematicians called ordinarily by another. For let a man make to himself the _idea_ of a figure with three angles whereof one is a right one, and call it, if he please, _equilaterum_ or _trapezium_ or anything else, the properties of and demonstrations about that _idea_ will be the same as if he called it a _rectangular-triangle_. I confess, the change of the name, by the impropriety of speech, will at first disturb him who knows not what _idea_ it stands for; but as soon as the figure is drawn, the consequences and demonstrations are plain and clear. Just the same is it in _moral knowledge_: let a man have the _idea_ of taking from others, without their consent, what their honest industry has possessed them of, and call this _justice_ if he please. He that takes the name here without the _idea_ put to it will be mistaken, by joining another _idea_ of his own to that name; but strip the _idea_ of that name or take it such as it is in the speaker's mind, and the same things will agree to it as if you called it _injustice_. Indeed, wrong names in moral discourses breed usually more disorder, because they are not so easily rectified as in mathematics, where the figure once drawn and seen makes the name useless and of no force. For what need of a sign, when the thing signified is present and in view? But in moral names, that cannot be so easily and shortly done, because of the many decompositions that go to the making up of the complex _ideas_ of those modes. But yet for all this, the _miscalling_ of any of those _ideas_, contrary to the usual signification of the words of that language, hinders not but that we may have certain and demonstrative knowledge of their several agreements and disagreements, if we will carefully, as in mathematics, keep to the same precise _ideas_ and trace them in their several relations one to another, without being led away by their names. If we but separate the _idea_ under consideration from the sign that stands for it, our knowledge goes equally on in the discovery of real truth and certainty, whatever sounds we make use of. ~ An Essay Concerning Human Understanding Chapter IV: Of the Reality of Knowledge

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Re: Kiddie porn on the Internet
by Blak Dayz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe that you have a valid p.o.v on this subject on that: 1. The Save Our Children, kill the kiddie porn, will have trouble being enforced due to the large amounts of encryption and safe IRC fserves. If they really wanted to enforce the Kill The Porn, then they should target the adults by child pyschologist visits with the children during school hours. 2. The suspicion of the private organization "extortion" has valid backing in that several coincidences have occured such as the one with Dennys. If a person would research the matter further they would come upon several cases. *** The recievers of the porn should not be punished for the photographers action, the same as if I would complain that someone burglarized my home becuase i left the door open. It was their ignorance that caused their loss. Blak Dayz of the DAS

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Re: talker (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Z.B." <zachb(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: talker > > I just checked www.juno.com to see what kind of system they have, and it > appears that it is a free email service. No charges at all. No wonder > we get so many idiots from there - free mail and they probably don't > bother to verify the people they give service to, either. Well we know at least one cpunk who is anti-anonymity.... Jim Choate >

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RE: Encourage Singapore To Come Out Of the Stone Age
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: James A. Donald, in reply to Enzo Michelangeli: > Trying to build a free society by screaming loud > what the "natural" rights are supposed to be, has no better chances of > success than [...] Succeeded the last two times it was tried. ........................................................................................ But it was not merely "screaming" about what the "natural" rights ought to be - it was presenting a more definite and clear picture of them to the mind of the beholders (who hardly had any such ideas in their mind), as well as backing up the description of these rights with the intent to secure them through physical force, if necessary (as one might expect). Screaming aloud about having "natural" rights and then sitting back and waiting for them to be recognized stands little or no chance of success with those who are obviously unsympathetic and are in a position of power over others. Knowing what one is talking about, being able to convey it with the conviction of certainty, and being prepared to act to secure what it is "rightful" to have, is more likely to achieve the noble cause. It's also more impressive (than whining). .. Blanc

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Imminent Death of the Internet, GIF at 11
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For several months (years?) Bob Metcalf has been predicting that the Internet will self-destruct from overload. His argument appears to follow one of Gordon Bell's maxims: "anyone can predict the future: all you need is semi-log paper and a ruler." As I understand it, Metcalf's argument is that network load (messages, packets) is growing exponentially, while network bandwidth (fiber capacity, switch performance) is growing linearly. At some point, these two curves cross -- and demand will exceed capacity. There are two solutions to this problem: either there will be a fundamental change in the way messages move on the Internet (i.e. they don't all have to pass through Mae East and/or Mae West) or there will be a fundamental change in the way we use the Internet. We certainly are seeing changes in the way we use the network. When I "got on the net" in the late 1970's, I was on two mailing lists (SF-Lovers and Human Net) and could read *all* of Usenet traffic in an hour or two. In the late 1980's, Usenet traffic totalled about 10 MB/Day. Now, I'm on a handful of work-dependent, low bandwidth mailing lists, one high-bandwidth, high noise mailing list, almost never read Usenet and wouldn't dare attempt to support a Usenet newsserver. Today, it takes longer for me to read mail on an office Internet or 28.8 modem at home, than it did in 1980 on a 2400 baud modem. To make a long story short, I suspect that we will be much more selective in what we access on the net; we may hire editors (or form communities that share "interesting stuff", each person serving as one member of an informal editorial board). We will also see organizations (companies or professional societies) funding network-based publications to communicate matters of common interest. (There are a number of these already, Risks Digest being possibly the most important.) So, in one sense, Metcalf is right; the Internet will self-destruct. However, in another sense, he is wrong; the information carried on the Internet will still be distributed, but probably in a different form. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: Cypherpunks subscribers - Singapore and NZ gvts, plus IRS
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May, among others, often reminds that the list is wide open to all comers, from whatever domain. I'm happy to see the diverse range of domains, especially those I snoop for good alt.sex.bestiality pix, er, classified data. The sg, gov and mil sites offer best of show sexual defectives. Beloved IRS is still a bit touchy about snooping its vast sewer of exon-oddities, though, so don't leave a mess when you've finished ogling Tim's.

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Re: Photoshop, Steganograhy, and cypherpunks?
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:16:58 -0400 (EDT), Jason Vagner wrote: >> > 1) If I hide some PGP encrypted data in a >> > gif, jpg or wav file will there be any tell tale >> > signs to the naked eye of an expert? If yes, >> > what are they? >> If you stego too many bits in a figure, it may become apparent. >The new version of Photoshop coming out this fall includes the ability to >embed "digital watermarking": >(from http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,3188,00.html: > > Digital watermarking > adds copyright information to > a photograph that doesn't alter the photo's > appearance. The watermark is detectable even > after the photo is edited or printed and rescanned. > >Question: Will stegonagrphying (?) the picture with noise mar the >watermark? Will a digital signature *and* something embedded into the >graphic through steganography seriosly affect a 24-bit image? Most certainly; the idea here is that watermarking should show that an image is unedited. >Furthermore: What about browsers? Could cookies or binary info be embedded >into images on the fly so that a java applet could preserve information or >states between pages, of different sites? Of course. You could do a cookie type implementation with a Java applet easily. - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 20:10:50 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: >> Yup -- you're never going to see a very high SNR out of Juno: > >Yes, the anarchy list has a persistent moron from Juno.com, educated >well above his intelligence. A seriously proflic loon. > >I have told eudora to transfer everything from juno.com into my >loon file, regardless of author. Makes AOL.com look like >caltech. Particularly since AOL tends to get a lot of well-educated people who are just net-illiterate. Of course, they also get a bunch of cranks, particularly since those "Generate an AOL account" programs started going around... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: talker
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:09:07 -0400, Wayne H. Allen wrote: >> cypherpunks are *not* crackers; this is a crytographic >> and political issues relating to cryptography mailing list. > Well maybe, political issues galore certainly, but very very little >to do with cryptography. I mean what does TWA 800 have to do with this >list. I mean lets be completely honest here, whatever the original >purpose of the list was for its been allowed to shift away from its >intended purpose considerably. True, but something like TWA800 has a lot more relevency to the "political issues" part mentioned above. A Big-Brother database being setup seems on-topic... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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[NOISE] Far-reaching tentacles . . . ?
by abostick＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Found in the news: (SACRAMENTO)- The principals of six Sacramento area schools have received 46 used computers that were renovated by inmates at Folsom Prison. Warden Theo White delivered the machines after they were given a reprieve from the scrap heap. The prison obtained the donated personal computers from the non-profit Detwiler Foundation... which began working five years ago to bring new technology into the state's classrooms. [Would you want *YOUR* CHILDREN to use computers that had been HACKED by CONVICTED CRIMINALS????] -- Alan Bostick | Usenet is living proof that if you analyze a mailto:abostick@netcom.com | blackbody spectrum for semantic content you get news:alt.grelb | "Call 1-800-HOT-GIRL now!" http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~abostick

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Re: Imminent Death of the Internet, GIF at 11
by Alexander 'Sasha' Chislenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:40 AM 9/7/96 -0700, Martin Minow <minow(a)apple.com> wrote: >For several months (years?) Bob Metcalf has been predicting that >the Internet will self-destruct from overload. His argument >appears to follow one of Gordon Bell's maxims: "anyone can predict >the future: all you need is semi-log paper and a ruler." As I >understand it, Metcalf's argument is that network load (messages, >packets) is growing exponentially, while network bandwidth (fiber >capacity, switch performance) is growing linearly. At some point, >these two curves cross -- and demand will exceed capacity. > I would add one word into that Gordon Bell's maxim: "anyone can predict the SHORT-TERM future: all you need is semi-log paper and a ruler." Rulers are liner-extrapolation predictors; the only predictions with still lower intelligence are pointers - with the assumption that things are going to always remain the same. Unfortunately, these two kinds of prediction methods populate most of the human "visionary" landscape, with rare flowers of visionary minds elevating above it - Metcalf's doesn't seem to be one of them. This very observation on the population/food dilemma was made by Malthus quite a while ago. However, both population and food are still here, and natural resources are no longer a serious limiting factor for the production of food. If you notice that your attempt to extend your ruler farther than it can go, will not work, it's a good prediction of a breakdown - *of the ruler*, not the system you are trying to measure. The role of a visionary is not to mistake the horizon of current trends for the horizon of the world, but look ahead and predict future trends - and advise what should be done to adapt to the imminent transitions. An important observation for the net traffic/bandwidth "crisis" is that human ability to perceive textual and visual information remains pretty much the same. Addition of graphics, video and sound to the Net, as well as the growing number of users, increase the bandwidth, but this all has (though still distant) saturation point - say, 24 hour-a-day single-channel video feed to every human and his dog. (Inter-machine communications do not have this limit though). Already, most of the newsfeed coming to any single server, is never read by anybody; this is also the fate of most messages from 60 or so mailing lists coming to my PC. A solution here, that will be also quite instrumental for many future problems, is not to send messages that are not going to be read - i.e., server-side filtering agents; I have been suggesting collaborative message filtering (see proposal on my home page) for more than 5 years now - only to find people who could help implement it, uselessly running around the Net whining and waving their stiff rulers. Of course, there are also other methods of making Net traffic more intelligent and robust; if Internet was recognized as the most revolutionary development in the evolution of the global ecology of intelligence, and if there existed some mechanism for turning truly visionary ideas on the Net's evolution into changes in its structure, then, well, things would be much better. <x-rich></x-rich><x-rich> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexander Chislenko <<sasha1(a)netcom.com> www.lucifer.com/~sasha/home.html Firefly Network, Inc.: <<alexc(a)firefly.net> www.ffly.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- </x-rich>

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Mailing list
by Webeus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I have been away for over 2 months and in returning find that alpha.c2.org is lo longer. Can you suggest an alternative, FAQ's etc ?? Thank you Webeus

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[PARANOID NOISE] Satellites flying formation?
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 8 Sep 96 at 12:16, John F. Fricker wrote: > >I don't know. I would presume so. I only guess that it was a 3-4-5 > >formation. But it does make some constants easy! <g> > Maybe we could each watch for these formations and keep a log of > observations. I've done a little searching for more information but > I find nothing easy. Perhaps one of my hard core skywatcher friends > would know something as well. I'll try to link with my old stargazers friends and ask questions around. If you get something new, write. Cheers and good luck! jfa

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towards an eternity service
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[the relevance of this to remailer-operators, is that my example prototype architecture for discussion relies heavily on mixmaster remailers] Ross Anderson's eternity service (postscript paper somewhere on http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/) is a distributed file system with the criteria that it should not be possible to delete information from it. The paper outlines ways that you might go about doing this, and gives as a design goal that it should not be possible even for concerted government attacks to remove information from the service. Roughly the approach described is to have anonymous servers with secret shared data. The server doesn't know what it is serving, and the server charges per Mb/year of data storage. This seems a pretty interesting idea, as it would be a great boon to free speech to be able to reliably publish information that would survive attempts to "unpublish" it, which seem to be gaining in popularity. Notable recent examples of such attacks being Scientologist attacks on distribution of it's `scriptures', the German governments banning of nazi revisionist material, and the impending possibility of a repeat of the CDA at a (US) state level. I think it is desirable to get something working now, even if it is far short of the design criteria Anderson describes. A working model would provide something on which to base discussion of improvements, and would also be an interesting experiment to see the sorts of uses such a system would be put to, and the political reaction to it's uses. The following doesn't depend on, but would be helped by having direct socket delivery of packets (for performance) in the mixmaster remailer-net and forward secrecy (for resilence to attack). The idea comes in two parts, the first part, an anonymous www proxy using mixmaster to deliver packets, is present to provide cover traffic for real eternity system requests, the second part describes a way to acheive an eternity like system with the traffic mixed in with part 1 traffic, so that the two types of traffic can not be distinguished by attackers. 1. anonymous www proxies over mixmaster The stated design goal for this part (it's partly a cover goal, though useful in its own right) is to ensure that users can access publically accessible www pages without divulging their identity to the sites they are accessing, or even to an attacker who is monitoring net traffic. The user wants to hide which sites they are accessing, and what information they are accessing. No attempt is made to conceal the identity of the www sites accessed, a normal URL is used to access them. This is basically just like www.anonymizer.com, except that traffic is routed over the mixmaster net. An http <-> mixmaster interface would be added to the existing mixmaster. You add a blip in the line for outgoing traffic on your own machine which converts all outgoing http requests into mixmaster packets and feeds them into the remailer network. You choose random chains to get to the http servers. The delivered packet at the exit remailer node is a new mixmaster packet type, a http request type, rather than a request to email to an individual, or post to a newsgroup, it results in an (where possible SSL encrypted) http request being made to the specified http server. Also included with the request is a mixmaster reply chain, so that the exit mixmaster node can route the return the requested www pages, and SSL session traffic back to the originator. As you might imagine if this became popular, it could generate a lot of traffic. For a practical system I think it's inevitable that you'd need to provide some financial incentive for the mixmaster operators to subsidize their T3s :-) So you would need to incorporate per hop payments, for the remailers. This could be a relatively small payment, but is just there to ensure that they have the money to increase their bandwidth if the demand requires it. I think that about explains part 1. 2. an eternity like system built on this system There are a couple of extra requirements for the eternity system, firstly that the address of the www site must be concealed also, and secondly that the data is secret shared across multiple eternity www sites. The first requirement can be met by the anonymous eternity www sites publically posting to a newsgroup (via a mixmaster remailer of course:-) a mixmaster chain pointing at themselves. To reduce the problem of the flood attack for finding the endpoint of a chain, firstly some of Peter Allan's suggestions on extra cover traffic, and on adding extra hops to increase cover traffic should help, but ultimately this only makes a longer concerted flood necessary to find the output. I don't see any easy solution to the flood attack, the only _real_ answer is a DC net. A slightly simpler, but less robust solution would be to find ways to have fixed levels of traffic between nodes in the remailer network. Surplus traffic at entry points could be rejected, so that the sender knows to try another remailer. The other requirement for eternity is that the data should be secret shared. If all the eternity www servers publish their reply blocks, the user sends requests to a number of the eternity servers selected randomly. Choose the number so that it is likely that you will get the required k of n shares, given that there are n servers, and they all hold shares in the data, and that k of n shares are required to recover the secret. You also need to ensure that the exit mixmaster which is acting as a http forwarder server can't tell whether it is making an eternity system request or an anonymous www proxy request. The fact that http traffic is blindly forwarded means that if the http request is SSL encrypted the http forwarding mixmaster remailer will not know the contents of the traffic, and so will not be able to distinguish traffic type: eternity or anonymous proxy. As the eternity www servers don't know what the data in the shares they are holding is, they can't provide the indexing facility directly. Rather ordinary www pages, and other eternity www pages can be used to collect links to interesting eternity pages. In otherwords, it's decentralised, as is the www, and any indexing left up to the authors of eternity hosted www documents, or anyone elses indexing to interesting links. A compromise technology which would greatly simplify access to the service would be public www proxies or gateways to the eternity service, so that no new software was required for the client. This would serve a similar role to WWW based remailers. The scheme is complex in places but basically requires no new technology, at least for a crude implementation, without the finer points. What can be missed out in a first pass implementation, and deferred for later incremental improvements: ecash postage to pay for remailer resources fixed traffic between remailers payment for www sites (anonymous www proxy and eternity service) oblivious transfer to setup shares so that leaves the following to be done: blip in the line which routes http requests over mixmaster mixmaster reply chains for return http traffic secret sharing of data to send to eternity www servers periodic posting of mix reply blocks by eternity www servers public access www proxy, or www-cgi based gateway comments, volunteers? Adam -- exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)

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Re: Cypherpunks subscribers - Singapore and NZ gvts, plus IRS
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:56 PM 9/8/96, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I suppose it would be only polite to ask the Singapore government folks >and IRS employees to join our conversation. > >The cypherpunks list now has nearly 1,400 direct subscribers, plus >whoever reads it through local mail-news gateways. > >(Note I'm not indicating that a .gov.sg or .irs.gov address implies >anything about an individual's personal political beliefs.) > >video(a)nhmxw0.fnal.gov >e875836(a)popcorn.llnl.gov >foley_p(a)kosmos.wcc.govt.nz .. What, so now my group, Government Office of Technology, is no longer considered part of the military-bureaucratic complex? -- tcmay(a)got.net (And to think I get paid a GS-16 salary just to keep tabs on you folks, feed you disinformation, and entice you into various operations.) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Imminent Death of the Internet, GIF at 11
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:40 PM 9/7/96, Martin Minow wrote: >We certainly are seeing changes in the way we use the network. When >I "got on the net" in the late 1970's, I was on two mailing lists >(SF-Lovers and Human Net) and could read *all* of Usenet traffic >in an hour or two. In the late 1980's, Usenet traffic totalled The 2002 version, unless our list is outlawed as being part of a TICO (Terrorist-Influenced and Corrupt Organization) conspiracy: "I could read *all* of the Cypherpunks traffic in a day or two..." --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [NOISE] Far-reaching tentacles . . . ?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:38 PM 9/8/96, Alan Bostick wrote: >Found in the news: > > > (SACRAMENTO)- The principals of six Sacramento area schools have >received 46 used computers that were renovated by inmates at Folsom >Prison. Warden Theo White delivered the machines after they were given a >reprieve from the scrap heap. The prison obtained the donated personal >computers from the non-profit Detwiler Foundation... which began working ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >five years ago to bring new technology into the state's classrooms. > >[Would you want *YOUR* CHILDREN to use computers that had been HACKED >by CONVICTED CRIMINALS????] Who cares about the convicted criminals? It's the connection to the Detwiler Foundation that would worry me. (Now that's what you call an S. Boxx!) --Medusa

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Re: ASEAN nations generally pro-censorship
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> _________________________________________________________________ > ASEAN FORUM AGREES ON NEED TO POLICE THE NET > __________________________________________________________________________ >[...] > But the statement suggested there was no agreement on a uniform > approach to policing the Internet. One could argue that the hundred years war was in substantial part the result of regulatory arbitrage against attempts to censor the printing press, that it was in large part an unsuccessful attempt to create a uniform standard of censorship by force of arms. History suggests that there *wont* be a uniform approach on policing the net. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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"Intended Purpose" of the Cypherpunks List
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:09 PM 9/8/96, Wayne H. Allen wrote: > Well maybe, political issues galore certainly, but very very little >to do with cryptography. I mean what does TWA 800 have to do with this >list. I mean lets be completely honest here, whatever the original >purpose of the list was for its been allowed to shift away from its >intended purpose considerably. I'm curious. You say the list has "been allowed to shift away from its intended purpose considerably." First, who "allowed" it. (We should perhaps track down those who allowed this and rap them upside the head.) Second, and more importantly, just what was its "intended purpose"? While I delete immediately fantasies about how the Bilderbergers ordered TWA 800 shot down with Russian Strelas as a warning for Bill Clinton, the other discussions related to TWA 800, e.g., mandatory person-number I.D. to board planes, increased inspections, national data bases of "suspicious persons," etc., are very much on-topic for this list. But, then, what would I know? --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: Court challenge to AOL junk-mail blocks
by Will rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan, in reply to questions about Cyber Promo's statue re: AOL wisely wrote: >>No. A customer buys service from AOL and in doing so signs a contract >>with the company. AOL and the customer each has certain rights and >>obligations spelled out in the contract. >> >>I confess I don't know if AOL's contract allows them to block spam. But >>in any case, spammers are not customers. >> >>-Declan >> Cyber Promotions of course is not now a client of AOL, which is one the company's defenses against AOL. Although AOL attorneys don't make the connection outright, their filings seem to imply that once one is an AOL customer, he's always subject to their rules. Wallace, it seems, had an account or two with AOL and was spamming during that time in violation of terms of service. They soon bumped him from the service. Now that he's not a subscriber, they claim Wallace is still violating terms of service. How that's relevant to a former subscriber is far from clear. Wallace's attorneys, of course say it isn't relevant at all. No doubt about it; this one is going to be a lot of fun. Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.9 iQEVAgUBMjN30UcByjT5n+LZAQEO0QgAhKgbD1ljZfDoZR/J9PF9wQFgZxoSM8DZ SfhfPMNDnBDqx1dq2qjxbxKC0uqP5AQq76ZPr+MVexvdI9ec+8W9DFW/O8ujOsJT yU/vg0XnWC3kNeQVW9OpTjlNZrlm37TRM5Fl/JeBxrFlws1aS1fG57Xnq2YYEJJ2 hrn20q9szJiRLnFJ0hSfjhsYkLir7qErhqMMOu0kw1HAqfA7kAzmoxD4ukaeqqL9 Hkqqf2E59xtOSvmMRtqgtGhUijiMeuO1K/wCITp0SS6U4XieeHrV5jpfY3RU6c2s g7OBHkMq6fjzWO29WJO67imOeb45bsZMM3vvqKlH5lxXHR+g1DjUnw== =Iatg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: flimflamery on anonymity
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

james donald: > > Lucky Green and Dark Unicorn are not accountable. This is a problem? > > Because it is a problem "We" need to do something about it, (last line is sarcasm for the sarcasm impaired) At 11:39 AM 9/4/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > scientists demand that each other be "accountable" for their > work, for example, and pseudonymous publication simply would > not be acceptable. So? Do you think cypherpunks are planning to go around with guns and force scientists to pay attention to pseudonymous scientific publications? > what about a business > that simply says, "we choose to require identity among our > customers, and you can go elsewhere if you disagree". the > extremist cypherpunks would be in a quandary over this example, > because they think they can support anarchocapitalist > freedom and anonymity at the same time. they will argue that > such a business will one day not exist. but shouldn't a business be > free to make this decision? rabid cpunks would probably > argue against such a decision. Cypherpunks would argue, do in fact argue, that such a business decision will be unwise in the long run for most businesses, but that all businesses, like anyone else, have the right to make stupid decisions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: talker (fwd)
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:41:06 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate wrote: >> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "Z.B." <zachb(a)netcom.com> >> Subject: Re: talker >> >> I just checked www.juno.com to see what kind of system they have, and it >> appears that it is a free email service. No charges at all. No wonder >> we get so many idiots from there - free mail and they probably don't >> bother to verify the people they give service to, either. > >Well we know at least one cpunk who is anti-anonymity.... Not necessarily. I think he's just saying that if it's free and anonymous you have no quality control. Even a token fee keeps out an amazing number of loons... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: Voluntary Disclosure of True Names
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:49 AM 9/5/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > I have seen it repeated here often that somehow anonymity is some kind > of a "right" that one should have in all kinds of different & important > transactions, not merely on "cyberspace debate societies". I see > here frequently the implication that *private*entities* that want to > enforce identity in their own transactions are somehow implementing > a corrupt, orwellian system. We hold that private entities have the right to attempt to impose corrupt orwellian systems provided they do not do it at gunpoint, but we doubt that they will succeed without guns. > it sounded to me like that was all > Dyson was advocating. "Restrictions much stronger than a warrant" would imply that remailers would have to keep logs under penalty of law. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Browne and foreign tyrants
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: > >And this was a real shame. Over 30 million people died in WWII, directly or >indirectly. We knew that Hitler was going to be a problem well before 1936. > Think how many could have been saved... > >If anything, WWII is excellent proof that AP is a good idea. Stauffenberg >was the German who bombed Hitler's meeting in 1944 but failed to kill him. >Stauffenberg knew as early as 1942 that Hitler needed to be killed, and a >recent "60 Minutes" episode related how hundreds of people knew about this >plot. In the late 30's Bugsy Seigel was in Europe visiting a friend (a countess, I believe). At one of her parties Hitler and a few henchmen also showed up. When Buggsy found out who they were he went to get his gun and finish them off. It was only on the pleading of his friend, that it would set off an international incident and could ruin her, that Buggsy relented. Too bad he wasn't more of a hot head. PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Snoop Daty Data | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Grinder | Voice: 1-702-655-2877 Sacred Cow Meat Co. | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 7075 W. Gowan Road, #2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Just say NO to perscription DRUGS.

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Re: Conservation Laws, Money, Engines, and Ontology
by Greg Kucharo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One thing that occurs here. I imagine a scenario where you have a "share" of resources on a system(and ISP for example). You're metered as to how much you can post or store. Actually as it is now posting is regulated through extra payments per meg above the limit. Spam is being somewhat regulated by Terms of Service type things, but my point is what is to prevent pooling resources among several system to achive the same Spam pursuits some have. Say for example that an individual gets several accounts to balance the load at thier point. The Usenet for example has no "choke point". How could ISP's apply conservation here? If you limit the amount of traffic you still aren't holding back the flow of "spam". Here's where reputations could come in. You cound't open a new account anywhere without a good "reputation". This could aid in balancing the load of certain people. ??????????????????????????????????????? Greg Kucharo sophi(a)best.com "Eppur si moeve" -Galileo ???????????????????????????????????????

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AST Final Agenda
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I hope you will be able to join us for our conference in Ottawa next week. Here is the final agenda. Dave PROGRAM ADVANCED SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES CONFERENCE II Sponsored by Privacy International Electronic Privacy Information Center September 16, 1996 Citadel Ottawa Hotel and Convention Centre Ottawa, Canada 9:00 am COFFEE AND REGISTRATION 9:30 am WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION: NURTURING THE SURVEILLANCE SOCIETY Advanced surveillance functions have become an integral part of widescale information systems used by governments and businesses. Monitoring of the activities of individuals is seen as a desirable - and often technically essential - componennt in many of these systems. Once regarded as purpose-built stand alone innovations, the modern surveillance device for identification, profiling or tracking has been re-invented as a tool for commercial leverage. In these introductory remarks, Simon Davies and Dave Banisar explores the key technical, political, cultural and legal changes that are nurturing the growth of surveillance technologies across the world. o Simon Davies, London School of Economics & Director General, Privacy International oDave Banisar, Electronic Privacy Information Center & editor, International Privacy Bulletin 10:15 am FEATURED SPEAKER: SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES OF THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES What kinds of technologies are the intelligence agencies of the world using? Who are they using it against? Are they legally accountable for their actions? Mike Frost, a former spy for the Canadian Security Establishment will talk about his experiences using these technologies to spy on Canadian citizens and the relationship of the CSE to the US National Security Agency. o Mike Frost, Former Intelligence Officer, Canadian Communications Security Establishment & author, Spyworld 11:00 am BREAK 11:15 am SURVEILLANCE AND THE INTERNET SIGINT ONLINE: GOVERNMENT SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE ON THE NET o Wayne Madsen, Author, Handbook of Personal Data Protection >From Fort Meade, Maryland to Cheltenham, England and from Canberra, Australia to Issy les Moulineaux in Paris, signals intelligence (SIGINT) specialists are honing their skills at monitoring digital information. SIGINT agencies everywhere are increasingly throwing their surveillance web over the Internet and other data networks of interest. This session shall examine the methods by which SIGINT agencies conduct such on-line intelligence-gathering activities, including manipulation of encryption systems to exploiting weaknesses in communications architectures, including the use of anonymous remailers, rigging encryption systems, and tampering with the simple network management protocol (SNMP). You will discover that Mae West is more than just a deceased movie star. Datamining the Net: Cookies, Crawlers and Trackers o Simson Garfinkel, author, Practical Unix and Internet Security and PGP: Pretty Good Privacy. A great deal of information is gathered on individuals on the Internet. >From Alta Vista to cookies to digital cash to Web Crawler, sophicated tools to collect, index and process this information are being developed. Simson Garfinkel will discuss these technologies, what information is being gathered and what is being done with it. 12:30 pm LUNCH (provided) 1:30 pm CONSUMERS AND SURVEILLANCE INTELLIGENT VEHICLES AND TRACKING Phil Agre will outline the remarkable variety of technologies of surveillance currently being planned or implemented for road travel. The motivations for these systems are numerous and include logistics, traffic management, law enforcement, pollution control, and marketing. Despite the diversity of motivations, certain unifying themes emerge. The vast majority of the functionalities provided by these systems can be provided anonymously. o Phil Agre, University of California, San Diego GENETICS AS A SURVEILLANCE IDEOLOGY Researches in the field of genetics are still largely dominated by the works of molecular biologists who tend to comprehend reality through the classical Cartesian-Newtonian paradigm which postulates that it is possible to reduce the universe to a mechanical model in which peticular effects can be described as the direct results of specific causes. Such an approach does not acknowledge the fact that human physical and mental health is the result of very complex interactions. Most illnesses and deviant behaviors are multifactorial (physical and social environments are at least as much important as the genetic factors) and polygenic (numerous genes could be involved). In short, there are large probabilities that an individual carrying many "defective" genes may never develop the corresponding illness. Unfortunately, such fields of activities such as risk management, insurance, law and policy-making also work mostly within the Cartesian-Newtonian paradigm. In such a context, genetics can easily be transformed into an ideological justification for surveillance and social control of populations or individuals "at risk" as well as minimizing social and environmental responsabilities. o Pierrot Peladeau, Progesta Inc. & editor Privacy Files 2:45 pm BREAK 3:00 pm SOLUTIONS: PROTECTING PRIVACY IN SURVEILLANCE SOCIETIES A PRIVACY COMMISSIONER CASE STUDY: INTRODUCTION OF A DNA PROFILE DATABANK TO NEW ZEALAND Bruce Slane, Privacy Commissioner of New Zealand, will outline aspects of a new law which came into force in New Zealand last month. The law sanctions the establishment of a DNA profile database for police use in criminal investigations. The law also spells out how blood samples may be obtained from suspects for DNA analysis - voluntarily, by court order, and ultimately by force if need be. Bruce will explain the role of a Privacy Commissioner in scrutinising laws increasing state surveillance using the DNA law as a case study. o Bruce Slane. New Zealand Privacy Commissioner CAN PRIVACY STANDARDS ACHIEVE EFFECTIVE DATA PROTECTION? Privacy standards are becoming an important feature of the privacy protection landscape. The CSA Model Code for the Protection of Personal Information is likely to followed by other attempts to negotiate standards in other countries and at the international level. What are the market and regulatory incentives for the adoption of privacy standards? Can privacy standards exist alongside data protection legislation? 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Re: Photoshop, Steganograhy, and cypherpunks?
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Sep 09 08:17:48 1996 > Digital watermarking > adds copyright information to > a photograph that doesn't alter the photo's > appearance. The watermark is detectable even > after the photo is edited or printed and rescanned. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ go ahead, have a laugh!!! (or show me an affordable scanner with REAL 8bit color and a calibrated color scheme). - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMjO2kBFhy5sz+bTpAQGbCwf/TCkJvS/8Z3ER3YdR7S2jNw0SrIkDXRT/ GtfvKgmTrk+YMI+5Ko9aL7wu2XgdUF5dzjo1slpNBp8hbrMWUGiNufcI5FDnzrqP z5lCTZefsHounFV8LaQk19iODOAt6EA5Bo7hAMNH4MTsl07dHJ2wudEntmLA4Hpl Xo1U/u/+PrTROK/O4wHEcDVyMsEFhHW7rBdhx5U5Sh58CtI3ijQ9xfW2L9dCQHUF +SVaXTgHYaHnpBpKitkAgEEd2m2jVC7E6S0pPkEBm0k0yXzBNT9zBaD5xtUxI/kI sJWNQCCq4f0VXm1wl27H+FYYUD/VdLc/pniFppmVa+WEDFGGlWXnqw== =ajST -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Erasing Disks, was Re: What the NSA is patenting
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See Peter Gutmann's paper, "Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory" in The Sixth USENIX Security Symposium Proceedings. My feeling after hearing his paper was that the only thing I would trust was thermite. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "Lone Star" - My personal | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | choice for best movie of | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | 1996 | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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ALERT: Call the Commerce committee to protect your privacy! (9/7/96)
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

======================================================================== SENATE COMMERCE COMMITTEE SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON PRO-PRIVACY ENCRYPTION LEGISLATION (S.1726) ON THU SEPTEMBER 12, 1996 YOUR HELP IS NEEDED TO ENSURE PASSAGE CALL THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE (PHONE NUMBERS BELOW) September 8, 1996 Please widely redistribute this document with this banner intact until September 30, 1996 ________________________________________________________________________ CONTENTS The Latest News What You Can Do Now Background / What To Expect This Week Description of S.1726, Pro-CODE Bill Chronology of Pro-Crypto Legislation For More Information / Supporting Organizations ________________________________________________________________________ THE LATEST NEWS On Thursday September 12, the Senate Commerce Committee is set to vote on legislation designed to enhance privacy and security on the Internet. The bill, known as the "Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era (Pro-CODE) Act," (S. 1726) is the best hope yet for real reform of U.S. encryption policy, and its passage by the Commerce Committee would signify a critical step forward in the struggle for privacy and security in the Information Age. The bill faces significant opposition from the Clinton Administration, who continues to cling to a cold-war era view of U.S. encryption policy. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE HEAR FROM SUPPORTERS OF PRIVACY AND SECURITY ON THE INTERNET. Please take a moment to contact the committee by following the simple instructions below. ________________________________________________________________________ WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW It's crucial that you call the Commerce committee members below and urge them to pass S.1726 out of committee without amendments. (This is also known as a "clean" bill.) Any opportunity for amendments (even if they are good) opens us up to the possibility of hostile amendments that could restrict the use of encryption even further than today's abysmal state. It could even prohibit the use of encryption without Clipper Chip-like key 'escrow' technology, which includes built-in surveillance and monitoring functionality. 1. Call/Fax the members of the Senate Commerce committee and urge them to pass S.1726 out of committee "cleanly". Do not use email, as it is not likely to be looked at in time to make a difference for the markup on September 12th. Use the sample communique and directory listing below to make it a simple TWO MINUTE task. 2. Sign the petition to support strong encryption at http://www.crypto.com/petition/ ! Join other cyber-heroes as Phil Zimmermann, Matt Blaze, Bruce Schneier, Vince Cate, Phil Karn, and others who have also signed. 3. Between now and Wed. September 12, it is crucial that you call all these members of Congress. P ST Name and Address Phone Fax = == ======================== ============== ============== D SC Hollings, Ernest F. 1-202-224-6121 1-202-224-4293 D MA Kerry, John F. 1-202-224-2742 1-202-224-8525 D HI Inouye, Daniel K. 1-202-224-3934 1-202-224-6747 D KY Ford, Wendell H. 1-202-224-4343 1-202-224-0046 D WV Rockefeller, John D. 1-202-224-6472 na D LA Breaux, John B. 1-202-224-4623 na D NV Bryan, Richard H. 1-202-224-6244 1-202-224-1867 D ND Dorgan, Byron L. 1-202-224-2551 1-202-224-1193 D NE Exon, J. J. 1-202-224-4224 1-202-224-5213 D OR Wyden, Ron* 1-202-224-5244 1-202-228-2717 R SD Pressler, Larry* 1-202-224-5842 1-202-224-1259 R MT Burns, Conrad R.(*sponsor) 1-202-224-2644 1-202-224-8594 R AK Stevens, Ted 1-202-224-3004 1-202-224-2354 R AZ McCain, John 1-202-224-2235 1-202-224-2862 R WA Gorton, Slade 1-202-224-3441 1-202-224-9393 R MS Lott, Trent* 1-202-224-6253 1-202-224-2262 R TX Hutchison, Kay Bailey 1-202-224-5922 1-202-224-0776 R ME Snowe, Olympia 1-202-224-5344 1-202-224-6853 R MO Ashcroft, John* 1-202-224-6154 na R TN Frist, Bill 1-202-224-3344 1-202-224-8062 R MI Abraham, Spencer 1-202-224-4822 1-202-224-8834 * supporter or cosponsor. The bill also enjoys broad bi-partisan support from members not on the committee including Senators Leahy (D-VT) and Murray (D-WA). 4. Here is a sample conversation: SAMPLE PHONE CALL You:<ring ring> Sen:Hello, Senator Mojo's office! You: SAY I'm calling to urge the Senator to pass S.1726, the THIS-> Burns/Leahy/Pressler bill, S.1726 when the committee votes on it on Thursday. It's critical to the future of privacy, security, and electronic commerce on the internet. Sen:Ok, thanks!<click> IF THEY SAY "The Senator has concerns about the bill", please answer, "Please try to work these issues out as it moves to the Senate floor, but passage out of committee will send an important signal to the Administration." 5. To help us measure the effectiveness of the campaign, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU. Please tell us who you called, and how they sounded. We'll be passing this information to folks in D.C. who can help apply pressure where needed. $ Mail vtw(a)vtw.org Subject: I called so-and-so Hey, I called Sen. Mojo. He sounded iffy, call in the reinforcements. ^D 6. Forward this to your friends and colleagues in appropriate forums until the date of expiration at the top. Forward a copy of this to your Internet Service Provider as well, and ask them to put the following text in their message of the day (motd), or on their WWW page: ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT The U.S. Senate will be voting on a proposal to encourage better security on the Internet on Thu Sep. 12th. Your help is needed to call Congress. See http://www.crypto.com/ for more details. ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ________________________________________________________________________ BACKGROUND / WHAT TO EXPECT THIS WEEK For the past 3 years, Cyber-Rights Activists, citizens, and industry leaders have been working hard to reform US encryption policy. Support has been building behind several legislative proposals this year because they send a clear signal to the Administration about the need for security and privacy in the Information Age. The digital revolution is currently being held hostage by the White House's Cold War restrictions on privacy-enhancing encryption technology. Now, with Congress less than a month away from adjournment, everyone who supports encryption and privacy is working to see this bill leave committee in order to send a clear message to the White House that they are on the wrong side of the encryption issue. Although this bill may not become law this year, its passage out of committee will be a landmark event that will clearly tell the White House that the Congress, the public, and the computer industry care about security and privacy, and need strong, reliable encryption technology in order to make the Internet a viable platform for commerce, education, and democracy. Success for our side is not certain, and the next week is not without risks. On September 12th, the Senate Commerce committee will hold a "markup", where the bill is examined, voted on, and if there are enough votes, passed out of committee. Two things could happen: -the committee could pass the bill as written, -the committee could pass the bill with amendments. Any amendments are not likely to be friendly, and in particular, quiet sources have told privacy activists that the Clinton Administration has been readying a legislative assault on your right to use encryption for several weeks now. A Clipper-like amendment could be attached to the bill if our side does not have enough votes to block all amendments. It is crucial that all netizens who consider privacy and security important take a moment to call members of the Commerce Committee right now and urge them to vote S.1726 out of committee without amendments. ________________________________________________________________________ DESCRIPTION OF S.1726, PRO-CODE BILL Privacy-enhancing encryption technology is currently under heavy restrictions kept in place by the White House. Encryption that is currently allowed to be exported is not sufficient to protect confidential information. This policy acquires an "Alice-in-Wonderland" quality when one realizes that strong encryption products are available abroad both for sale and for free download off the Internet. The Pro-CODE Act resolves to: 1. Allow for the *unrestricted* export of "mass-market" or "public-domain" encryption programs, including such products as Pretty Good Privacy and popular World Wide Web browsers. 2. Requires the Secretary of Commerce to allow the less restricted export of other encryption technologies if products of similar strength are generally available outside the United States, roughly up to DES strength. 3. Prohibits the federal government from imposing mandatory key-escrow encryption policies on the domestic market and limiting the authority of the Secretary of Commerce to set standards for encryption products. ________________________________________________________________________ CHRONOLOGY OF PRO-CRYPTO LEGISLATION 9/12/96 (scheduled) Senate Commerce committee will hold markup of S.1726 and hopefully pass it out of committee with no amendments. 7/25/96: Full Senate Commerce committee holds positive hearings on S.1726. FBI Director Louis Freeh testifies along with many cyber-luminaries. Hearings are cybercast Internet Cyber-Rights activists with HotWired and WWW.Crypto.Com. You can see the photos, read the testimony, and listen to the audio transcript at http://www.crypto.com/events/072596/ 6/26/96: Senate subcommittee holds positive hearings on S.1726. Hearings are cybercast Internet Cyber-Rights activists with HotWired and WWW.Crypto.Com. You can see the photos, read the testimony, and listen to the audio transcript at http://www.crypto.com/events/062696/ 5/2/96: Bi-partisan group of Senators introduce Pro-CODE Act, which would free public-domain encryption software (such as PGP) for export, free much commercial encryption for export, and reduce the government's ability to push Clipper proposals down the throats of an unwilling public. Original sponsors include: Senators Burns (R-MT), Dole (R-KS), Faircloth (R-NC), Leahy (D-VT), Murray (D-WA), Pressler (R-SD), and Wyden (D-OR). 3/5/96: Sen. Leahy (D-VT) and Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA) announce encryption bills (S.1587/H.R.3011) that significantly relax export restrictions on products with encryption functionality in them, as well as free public domain software such as PGP (Pretty Good Privacy). ________________________________________________________________________ FOR MORE INFORMATION / SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS There are many excellent resources online to get up to speed on crypto including the following WWW sites: http://www.crypto.com http://www.privacy.org http://www.eff.org http://www.cdt.org http://www.epic.org http://www.vtw.org Please visit them often. The following organizations have signed onto this alert: Center for Democracy and Technology Electronic Frontier Foundation Electronic Privacy Information Center Voters Telecommunications Watch ________________________________________________________________________ End alert ========================================================================

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RE: IDC_ard
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jya(a)pipeline.com (John Young) forwarded: >9-8-96. NYP Mag: >"The True Terror Is In the Card." >Faced with rising crime, illegal immigration, welfare >fraud and absentee parents, many bureaucrats and members >of Congress insist that the nation would run more >smoothly if we all had counterfeit-proof plastic >identity cards. >http://jya.com/idcard.txt (11 kb) And to get all the Christian Right (no pun intended) up in arms, just suggest that the best way to prevent theft of these ID cards would be to place the information on a microchip and implant it in your body. Forehead and right wrist preferably. James

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Distributed data haven monetary supply?
by DAVID A MOLNAR 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When writing about Eternity services or other distributed data havens, one has to cover the issue of cost. After all, it takes some expenditure of resources to store data, which can translate to actual $$ (or riyals or dinar or kroner or whatever). So far that I've seen, the problem of delivering that payment has been put down to "e-cash payment" of some kind (hopefully untraceable), or creative wire transfer. In both cases, we end up needing to implement e-cash on a wide-scale basis, or completely reforming the way banks work in most countries. After all that trouble, then, our value is still stored in terms of a real currency. What if a node in a data haven could issue its own certificates/money for goods/services? The idea seems similar to me to the "TrustBucks" discussed recently on the list. A node's operator issues credits to others in exchange for money, favors, or space on their own machines. However, if every node issues its own currency, but only to those it trusts, we have the same problem as w/PGP...there is no guarantee that data may flow freely from node to node, which invites weakness. It's also an open invitation to inflation, as each operator may mint many billions of $ w/o immediate consequences (perhaps combined w/spam in a misguided publicity attempt?) Question : would it be preferable for a group of nodes to issue e-cash? I'm thinking in terms of a system where the bank's secret key is split between the participating nodes (or a certain voting subset), with a certain threshold needed to mint new currency. If there are several such constallations (and methods of exchanging currency between them), it multiplies the number of points one must subvert in order to manipulate the system. Perhaps groupings might agree to share stored data freely between nodes in the interests of security. A user then has several different "economies" to choose from, each of which has different policies. Once a data haven begins to devrive actual _income_ or benefit from these transactions, its attitude toward economic policy may affect its ability to secure and retreive data on command. A rich haven, for instance, may be able to afford better bandwidth between nodes, or funding for research into distributed computing. In contrast, a "poor" haven may suffer from outdated equipment, hardware failures, and possibly intermittent loss of data. Of course, such effects will not be particularly pronounced so long as a data haven is largely a volunteer effort. If a haven were to evolve into a socially stronger entity, with clearly defined "rights" and "responsibilities" for nodes, then its policies would have greater effect. I do not see a guarantee that such a structure would be anarchic in nature, even though the technology itself is amenable. Y'know, a group currency could prove to be a powerful tool to assert dominance/influence over a single node, much as we may speak about "dollar zones" or "yen blocs" in the real world. Gridlock might also be a problem...what if the system is set up to demand unanimous consent, but one of the nodes just died? How does one cast out a node or add a new one without collecting the bank's key in one place? What's to stop me from adding myself as a node under 15 assumed names? My concern is that these fears might engender the kind of 3l33t mindset sometimes seen on really lame wAR3z BBSs : a small power group, intense distrust of outsiders, almost cultish fac,ade of devotion to said small power group, et. al. None of which is helpful. Comments? Is it a good idea, or will it lead to ever-more confusion? Sorry if this is a bit long, repetitive of other things previously discussed to death elsewhere, or rambling. :-) -David Molnar

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TWA 800 - hit by an unarmed US missile?
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A collision with an unarmed missile would explain why they are not finding much evidence of high explosives (the pitting, ruptured metal, and residue). If a missile going at supersonic speed hit a 747 in the underbelly, near a fuel tank, I sure believe that it could take out the 747. If it was coming toward the 747, not catching up to it from behind, the collision speed would be the addition of the two speeds. In this case a soft civilian airplane would not stand a chance. Civilian airplanes are designed to survive collisions with birds, but not supersonic missiles. If the Navy was firing missiles in this area, it really does seem like the press should be checking out this angle. -- Vince

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Re: Los Angeles Times article on Helsingius and anon.penet.fi
by Jon Lebkowsky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:04 PM 9/9/96 +0800, Enzo Michelangeli wrote: >On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Gary Howland wrote: > >> Enzo Michelangeli wrote: >> >> > Perhaps, but defamation is an issue that can't be ignored either, >> > especially if one tries to build systems based on reputation. >> >> It _is_ an issue that can be ignored - if the "defamer" backs up his >> claims, then fine, the claims can be shown to be valid, otherwise ignore >> those claims. Simple. > >I and you may well choose to do so, but the vast majority of the human >beings believe just anything that is repeated loud and long enough. >Otherwise, nobody would hire PR and pay for advertisement, politicians >wouln't be fedwith taxpayer's money, Bosnians would trade goods instead >of gunshots, etc. I'm personally not interested in conjuring up the latest >utopia for a minoritarian sect of illuminati: I need to live in the real >world, and push for viable solutions that change it for better, now. > >Enzo One viable solution you can push for: educate the 'vast majority' to understand that these wordstreams have no mojo, that skepticism is a surivival skill in the 'Information Age.' -- Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)hotwired.com> FAX (512)444-2693 http://www.well.com/~jonl Electronic Frontiers Forum, 6PM PDT Thursdays <http://www.hotwired.com/eff> "No politician can sit on a hot issue if you make it hot enough."--Saul Alinsky

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"nemesis"} = "<remailer(a)meaning.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)c2.org> cpunk pgp hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"balls"} = "<remailer(a)huge.cajones.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"middle"} = "<middleman(a)jpunix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"dustbin"} = "<dustman(a)athensnet.com> cpunk pgp hash ksub latent cut ek mix reord"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix) The alpha and nymrod nymservers are down due to abuse. However, you can use the cyber nymserver. The nym.alias.net server will be listed soon. See http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/n.a.n.html for details. 403 Permission denied errors have been caused by a flaky disk on the Berkeley WWW server. Hopefully, this is fixed by now. The penet remailer is closed. Last update: Mon 9 Sep 96 6:45:23 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca +**+******** 18:19 99.99% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com ++++++++++++ 1:04:20 99.98% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com +*******#**# 1:51 99.98% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de --.++++-+++ 1:54:34 99.97% replay remailer(a)replay.com +*** *+***** 5:02 99.83% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com +---------- 3:22:14 99.78% balls remailer(a)huge.cajones.com +*********** 5:08 99.75% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net +*+*+*+* *** 27:34 99.47% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu ++++++++ -++ 1:00:20 99.36% dustbin dustman(a)athensnet.com -+* 2:46:09 98.70% middle middleman(a)jpunix.com --+++++ -- 1:08:18 98.27% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net +### #*#### 3:19 95.26% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ---------- 4:55:16 94.74% winsock winsock(a)c2.org -+-------- 3:14:43 91.19% nemesis remailer(a)meaning.com +******* 24:33 57.62% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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