December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

.mil links
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody e-mailed me a nice collection of military/intelligence sites. I'll forward it to the list in case anybody is interested. (Note: I haven't checked the links myself yet) Harka == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= MILITARY SCIENCES AND DEFENSE SITES: Advanced Information Technology Current research aimed at developing and implementing cutting edge hardware and software solutions for Navy problems. Also pointers to US Navy information, Washington DC Area Information and more. http://www.ait.nrl.navy.mil:80/home.html Advanced Research Projects Agency Provides selected information about the activities and programs of the Advanced Research Projects Agency(ARPA). http://ftp.arpa.mil/ Air Intelligence Agency This World Wide Web home page is your gateway to information about the U.S. Air Force's Air Intelligence Agency, a Field Operating Agency headquartered at Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas. http://tecnet2.jcte.jcs.mil:8000/cybrspke/aialink.html Armament Research Development and Engineering Center (ARDEC), Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Access to staff directories, ARDEC information sources and remote non-technical information. http://www.pica.army.mil/ Army Research Laboratory Allow scientist from government, academia, and industry to discover information about current Army research. http://info.arl.army.mil/ Bosnia Link BosniaLINK, is the official Department of Defense information system about U.S. military activities in Operation JOINT ENDEAVOR, the NATO peace keeping mission in Bosnia. http://www.dtic.dla.mil/bosnia/ Brooks Air Force Base, Human Systems Center Brooks AFB organizations, information by topic and local interest, publications, weather and keyword searches are available. http://www.brooks.af.mil/ Central Intelligence Agency The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) supports the President, the National Security Council, and all who make and execute US national security policy. http://www.odci.gov/cia/ Defense Information Systems Agency Center for Standards Access to the DISA CFS Information Technology Standards Libary, Bulletin Board System and the Department of Defense Electronic Commerce/Electronic Data Interchange Standards Repository. http://www.itsi.disa.mil/ Defense Information Systems Agency Server The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) mission is to Plan, Engineer, Develop, Test, Manage Programs, Acquire, Implement, Operate and Maintain Information Systems for C4I and Mission Support Under all conditions of Peace and War. http://www.disa.mil/ Defense Intelligence Agency The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) is a Combat Support Agency and the senior military intelligence component of the U.S. Intelligence Community. http://www.dia.mil/ Defense Logistics Service Center Provides logistics information products and services to all military and civilian government services and agencies. Server provides information on full range of DLSC products and services including LOGRUN, MEDALS, CAGE, FEDLOG, GIRDER, AMLS, Customer Service and FOI. http://www.dlsc.dla.mil/ Defense Research and Engineering Network Information about the Defense Research and Engineering Network(DREN), the networking component of the DoD High Performance Computing Modernization Program. http://www.arl.mil/HPCMP/DREN/index.html Defense Technical Information Center Provides access to and transfer of scientific and technical information for DoD personnel, DoD contractors and other US government agencies. http://www.dtic.mil/ DefenseLINK Access to DoD news releases, contract awards, briefing transcripts and related information. Postings are normally made within 20 minutes of official release. A search feature provides easy access to past releases. http://www.dtic.mil/defenselink/ Hydromechanics Directorate, Naval Surface Warfare Center Navy lab responsible for the research, development, testing, and evaluation of ships, submarines and other marine technologies. Contains information on facilities, projects and technical reports. http://www50.dt.navy.mil/ Intelligence Community Homepage The Intelligence Community is a group of 13 government agencies and organizations that carry out the intelligence activities of the United States government. http://www.odci.gov/ic/ National Defense University Information on professional military education. NDU is home to several colleges and institutions dedicated to military education, research, executive skills training, public policy information resource management, and more. Also contains a library. http://www.ndu.edu/ National Security Agency The National Security Agency (NSA) is responsible for the centralized coordination, direction, and performance of highly specialized technical functions in support of U.S. Government activities to protect U.S. information systems and produce foreign intelligence information. http://www.nsa.gov:8080/ Naval Command, Control and Ocean Surveillance Center (NCCOSC) Information about the three subordinate commands of NCCOSC as well as pointers to other naval resources. http://www.nosc.mil/ Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Contains information pertaining to CALS in the Navy. All certified Navy DTDs and FOSIs are available on the Repository for downloading. http://navysgml.dt.navy.mil/ NavyOnLine Gateway to the Department of Navy online resources. Access to the Navy News Service, Naval Postgraduate School, Navy Public Affairs Library, Naval Research Laboratory, Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command and more. http://www.navy.mil/ Office of the Director of Information Systems for Command, Control, Communications and Computers (ODISC4) Provides up to date information on the ODSIC4 and the Army's Information Mission Area. http://www.army.mil/disc4-pg/disc4.htm Office of Naval Research The Office of Naval Research (ONR) coordinates, executes, and promotes the science and technology programs of the United States Navy and Marine Corps through universities, government laboratories, and nonprofit organizations. http://www.onr.navy.mil/ Office of Strategic Phenomena The mission of the Office of Strategic Phenomena is to develop and maintain the means by which certain phenomenology data is to be archived, distributed, analyzed and used by the community of designers, experimenters, scientists, and wargamers working in the areas such as ballistic missile defense or in synthetic environments for more comprehensive DoD simulations. http://vader.nrl.navy.mil/osp.html The Pentagon Access the headquarters of the Department of Defense and get general information and tour schedules for the Pentagon. http://www.dtic.mil/defenselink/pubs/pentagon/index.html Persian Gulf War Illness Home Page Visit GulfLINK, the information system of the Persian Gulf War Veterans Illnesses Task Force. This service provides to the public information concerning the illnesses affecting Persian Gulf War veterans. http://www.dtic.dla.mil/gulflink/ Space & Naval Warfare Systems Command Information about the resources at the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command. http://www.spawar.navy.mil/ U.S. Air Force The official web site of the U.S. Air Force. Contains news, fact sheets and photos of weapon systems, biographies and key leaders, the latest publications about the Air Force, and photos for current operations around the world. The site also lists more than 40 Air Force web sites around the world. http://www.dtic.mil/airforcelink/ U.S. Army Center of Military History The U.S. Army Center of Military History provides information on past Wars and Army history in general. http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/default.htm U.S. Army Homepage The Army Homepage is a central index for all U.S. Army Web sites. It is updated daily and has both Organizational and Subject lists. If you need to find a U.S. Army Homepage, you will find it here! http://www.army.mil/ U.S. Marines Corp Homepage The official World Wide Web information service of the United States Marine Corps. http://www.usmc.mil/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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Re: Boom!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:43 PM 8/8/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >So, if it turns out that TWA 800 was an accidental wing tank explosion, will >they give us our civil liberties back? If not, why not? > You must be kidding. Civil rights (the real ones, not the affirmative action/antidiscrimination bullshit kind) only get constricted. The government only tightens the noose, it never loosens it. On a related note, it looks like Richard Jewell, the "Olympic Bomber," may not be charged and may even receive a page 37B "letter of clarification" from the Feds. No word on what the pack of 100 media vultures camped in his apartment's driveway will say. I suspect he will never live a normal life. Even if never charged, the splashing of private photos from his apartment--such as him cradling an AR-15 while dressed in camo--will stick in people's minds. What recourse does he have that camera crews were invited in on the searches? (*) (* In my local large city, San Jose, the cops used to invite the tabloid t.v. crews in on busts of suspected drug dealers. Kickbacks were probably involved. Anyway, the Fox network used to send camera crews in with the cops who kicked down doors, getting juicy coverage for "reality t.v." shows like "Cops." People in their underwear, people crying, people naked (Fox covered up the naughty bits digitally). After a privacy invasion lawsuit filed by one of the raided parties--I don't recall if they were ever found guilty or not, not that it matters--the cops stopped inviting the camera crews along. Judging by what I still see on t.v., other cities haven't stopped the practice. Surely a raid by cops, justified or not, does not give me, or you, or KCBS t.v. to tag along and enter a private home with our tape recorders and cameras rolling.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Fw: AOL crashes and burns
by Charley Sparks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Thu Aug 08 21:28:04 1996 - -----Begin Included Message ----- I thought things were a bit faster there for a while.. They had just rolled out AOL 3.0 in time for Mac World ( county ??) when it burned.... Seems some new server software gagged it <GRIN> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:16:38 -0500 From: Warrior <warrior(a)tateonline.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Cc: Great news, eh? - ---- End of forwarded message ---- Charles E. Sparks<sparks(a)bah.com> In God we trust, all others we encrypt ! http:/www.clark.net/pub/charley/index.htm Public Key At http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/cp_1.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCXAwUBMgqUJeJ+JZd/Y4yVAQGXpQQMC4HvZJDaHYOeSF/2nw4LEdSt6g+h5eZU NYo594LK9VTogbOLG/XgLol3aZ/GtQLyWs3gzbHFUwgByzZzjdDq+UEwbj4wV7jb XE3D1EJ5zCg3k7+Pbj4LKqag4VngD/0yd38bx7Okcvi3pfuwaPjIjNy/IStxZjV8 L6tHPzdlbwwa2g== =CG8R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Why should we trust the system?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When supporting plans like GAK ("key escrow") and wiretaps, you will frequently see the Denning-types justify them by claiming that there's protection from a requirement that a judge issue a search warrant. It should be instructive, then, to present the Richard Jewell case as an excellent counter-example. Richard Jewell, as you should all be aware, is the poor soul who happened to first see that pipe bomb at the Atlanta Olympics. However, hours after it was publicly revealed that the Atlanta 911 center screwed up, wasting 10 minutes looking up the address of "Centennial park," officialdom suddenly discovered they needed news to divert attention from their buffoonery. They found it, as if on cue. Tonight, I saw a national network news show say how Jewell is apparently quite innocent, and that the news media was quite willingly "used" by the government to convict Jewell in the press. Great mea culpa, but that still leaves some serious questions. Presumably, the government got warrants to search Jewell's apartment, correct? Okay, what evidence did they use to support the granting of those warrants? What, EXACTLY, did they tell the judge that ostensibly convinced him to grant a warrant? Remember, police aren't supposed to get a warrant simply if they can't prove that a person is NOT a bomber. The standard is suppose to work the other way around: The police should get a warrant only if the amount of evidence of guilt (or, evidence of evidence) is sufficiently detailed to rise to a certain level of authority, known as "probable cause." Evidence doesn't evaporate. More precisely, the police had a responsibility to collect enough evidence together, POSITIVELY, to be able to show probable cause to believe that a crime had occurred, and that Jewell was guilty. Some of that evidence might, hypothetically, have initially appeared to show guilt and was later clarified, but that early evidence must still exist, to at least show the public that the cops didn't entirely fabricate the justifications they used to get the warrants. So I ask again, did the police/FBI EVER have enough evidence to convince anyone by that "probable cause" standard? Well, if they say they had it in the case of Richard Jewell, that isn't very reassuring. Okay, I'll admit that I _never_ believed that judges actually follow the standards they claim to. But many other people of those who are more establishmentarian than I (I guess that group includes just about everybody, huh?) at least pretend to believe this, or hope this, and maybe a few suckers actually do. It should be their responsibity, then, to show that the granting of a search warrant occurs only when justified. In Jewell's case, that was not the case. If we allow this fiasco to die without a full analysis, particularly in light of the government's repeated assurances with regards to search warrants, we will be as incompetent as the police were. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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driver license info, loss of liberty, etc.
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The furor over the Oregon DMV database seems a bit misplaced: this type of information is considered to be in the public domain. You can buy it on tape/whatever for business purposes direct from the state. There are lots of people who I don't want to have any information about me who can get what's on file down at the Mass Registry of Motor Vehicles. That's the way it works. Now, there's lots of times when it would have been nice to have access to that information myself. Use your imagination. Why should the public be denied the right to access this information when businesses have had that privilege for some time? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be taken away from businesses, either, though I suppose the states will now pass laws prohibiting the public dissemination of this data. BTW, has anyone heard about the Post Office now requiring that all airmail packages over 1 lb must now be posted in person (no mail drop boxes)? Someone told me this, and it sounds just stupid and pointless enough to be true. I won't have a chance to go to the PO until Monday, so I'd appreciate any updates. regards, -pl

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"Thank you for not smoking" and other euphemisms
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Not to pick on Alan, but I clipped out 8 (eight) separate cc: copies besides the main address! People, take a minute to trim the ever-accumulating cc: list. If someone is subscribed to CP, they don't need a separate copy. And so on.] At 1:11 AM 8/9/96, Alan Horowitz wrote: >Nrth Carolina Jury instructions also mention that petite jurors are >"discouraged" from asking questions of the witness. I guess that means >they are not forbidden to do so. "Petite jurors" Is this a typo, or a special term of art in North Carolina? But your "discouraged" point is well-taken, an all too common. Other examples are: "Thank you for not smoking" (Suggesting they'll thank me if I don't smoke, but not actually forbid me from smoking. Of course, this euphemism means "Smoking forbidden.") "Donations suggested." This usually for leftist events, e.g., a speech by a Nicaraguan freedom fighter. Of course, what they really mean is "admission fee mandatory," but they call it a "suggested donation." I doubt one will be arrested for barging through the door without paying the "suggested donation," but this is a possibility, as they may deny admission. (And then there's the "sliding scale donation suggested," say, from $5 to $15. Presumably this is the embodiment of pure Marxist theory, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Be interesting to see their reaction if one declined to make any donation.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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subscribing
by Doug Mortimer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please add my name to your list. Thanks. D. Mortimer djmortim(a)sprynet.com

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Re: Internal Passports
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"declan(a)eff.org" "Declan McCullagh" 7-AUG-1996 10:15:54.28 >The Hatch simulated "child porn" bill was reported out of the Senate >judiciary committee favorably, with the addition of language making it a >felony to *attempt* to view child porn. This wording is aimed at the Net: > "Click Here to see Young Girls in Lust." One wonders if someone could dig up pictures taken by some senators or reps of their grandkids bathing in a pool... could be a nice publicity stunt. -Allen

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Re: Talking about Crypto Anarchy
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:12 06/08/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >6. I've given up on discussing crypto anarchy in short talks because nearly >nobody in the audiences I've done it for has the foggiest notions of what >I'm talking about, and I've found no short, sweet, simple methods of >getting across the implications. .. >(I've also seen David Chaum struggle to just get the basic idea of >"credentials without identity" across to a tecnical audience...even when he >concentrates on only getting a single facet of his ideas across, the light >bulbs just don't go off in the heads of the audience members... I appreciate what you are saying, and I'm sure we all have felt this frustration at some time or another. I've had lots of people, particularly social scientists, aghast at the thought that I could have spent 4 years on a PhD trying to get a crane to reach its destination 2 seconds sooner -- after a while, you just get tired, and reach for your beer. However, policy that affects us is framed by people with little idea, and *someone* with a clue has to educate them (as well as, maybe, educate their constituents to bring the right kind of public pressure). Perhaps people like Tim, who seem to be tired of this, could further the cause best by "training the trainers." Which, I suppose, is what he is doing on this list... In closing, a short, simple story that's worth thinking about: When Buddha attained enlightenment, the gods asked him to go forth and spread his knowledge to the world. "Why should I?" he asked, "Those that know won't need it, those that need it won't listen." "Can you rule out," asked the gods, "that there might be people in between? Those that with your teaching might learn, who otherwise wouldn't?" Beware of binary thinking... Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:50 AM 8/8/96 -0700, Rich Burroughs wrote: >On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >> Looks like we're a little late. However, we can still grab the tape from >> Oregon's DMV for $220. It would be an interesting excercise to try to get >> these tapes from each state with similar provisions and put them all >> online. > >This information has been available in Oregon for at least a couple of >years on CD. I've always been concerned about the privacy implications of >that service -- perhaps that's the upside of this story? That people do >give a rat's ass about their privacy? Actually, the lesson to be learned is that the news media is filled with a bunch of hypocrites. These people are supposed to be REPORTERS, for god's sake. Are they trying to tell us that they've never gone to the DMV and forked over $4 to find out the owner of a car? Can you say, "investigative reporting"? I think they're just carrying water for their friends who work for government. >I do think that the information should be able to be disseminated on the >Net as long as it's legal. While I think that the information should be disseminated on the net REGARDLESS of whether "it's legal" in any particular jurisdiction. Or, perhaps more accurately, I think that this information shouldn't be collected at all. Then it couldn't be abused. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Internal Passports
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:37 PM 8/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >Personally, I don't care. In fact, when employing gardeners and yard works >I prefer Mexicans. But the law says, these days, that I must verify the >legality of workers *if* they appear to be dark-skinned, Mexican, Latin, or >the like. I say "if" because there are no requirements in general for >white-skinned, Anglo workers....no work permits, no proofs of citizenship >(such a document is currently lacking in the American pantheon...I, a mixed >descendant of Mayflower colonist and Scandinavian immigrants, lack such >"proof"). If you're _employing_ Anglos, you're currently required to disrespect their honesty and demand proof that their papers are in order to fill out the I-9 form. There's a list of "one from column A or one from columns B and C" of acceptable papers, such as passports, birth certificates, driver's licenses, US Military ID, etc., which the government uses to determine whether they want to give you permission to hire them and give them permission to work. If you don't have these, you can join the Army, and they'll give you some papers. I hope you weren't Un-American enough to be born at home, though - without that government-issued birth certificate, the Army won't be able to verify your age. None of that is really proof of citizenship - after all, you could have renounced your US citizenship and become stateless or joined a foreign government. But President Buchanan's loyalty oath requirements should take care of that, as well as help with the problem of all these immigrant Brits and Irish and Canadians flooding our shores - I mean, look around you, they're everywhere. Y'all can't walk into a 7-11 these days without some clerk speaking funny-soundin' English at you. And the reason you can't legally just hire contractors and not have them count as employees has a lot to do with Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), who made a lot of money running ADP, a computer-services bodyshop, that wanted to preserve its advantages against more flexible competition. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Defuse Authority!

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Imprisoned for Not Having a Gun?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:35 PM 8/8/96, talon57(a)well.com wrote: >Jonathon <grafolog(a)netcom.com> wrote: > >>Said ordinance being passed, as a protest against Elk Grove, IL >>passing an orinance, banning handguns. Anybody know when Elk >>Grove revoked their ordinance? Crime went down for six months >>there [ Elk Grove ] after the ban was passed, then it went up >>far surpassing previous crime levels, for all types of crime. > >Pardon me Jonathon, but I believe you are confusing Morton Grove >with Elk Grove. I do not have the statistics for the crime rates >there, but several friends who have moved from there insist the >crime rate has continued upwards as you mentioned. Also there are >a couple of other interesting facts. Regarding that town nearby that passed a _requirement_ that all households have a gun: "Ma'm, I'm Deputy Uptite, of the Dork's Grove Sheriff's Department. I'm here to check on reports that you haven't obtained a gun, as required by law. Could I come in and take a look around?" "But I don't like guns, and I don't want one in my house." "I'm sorry, ma'm, but it's the law. According to the People's Self-Protection Act of 1997, you _must_ have a gun. Now what I'm going to do is give you a break. Think of this as a "fix-it ticket." Take this down to my cousin's gun store, right off of Main and 10th, and he'll get you set up with a Glock 23 or maybe a nice little Beretta. Shouldn't cost you more than $400, and it'll save you a 6-month stretch at the work farm. Have a nice day. Oh, and be sure to spend at least an hour at the week at the range...that's part of the law, too." --- Pro-gun fascism is just as bad a anti-gun fascism. I do recall that the "you must have a gun" town had some exemptions for folks opposed to guns, blah blah, but it still is intensely revolting to me that any town could ever pass such a law. Much as I think being armed is useful and all that, allowing such a law to go unchallenged feeds into the same approach that tries to ban guns...if guns can be required, they can be banned. What part of the Second Amendment did they not understand? (Legal quibblers will perhaps say the Second applies to _Congress_ (as in "Congress shall make no law"), and not to states and communities. I disagree. Can a town restrict free speech just because it is not the Congress?) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Suit filed to enjoin crypto provisions of the ITAR
by Peter D. Junger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I have cross-posted this press release by my lawyers to several mailing-lists. I am subscribed to all of them and I believe that this information is relevant to all of them, but I apologize because you may receive several copies.] -- Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH Internet: junger(a)pdj2-ra.f-remote.cwru.edu junger(a)samsara.law.cwru.edu URL: http://samsara.law.cwru.edu ------------------------Press Release--------------------------------- Law Professor Sues Federal Government Over Computer Privacy Issues Federal Civil Rights Action Seeks Injunction Against State Department And National Security Agency Cleveland Scholar Attacks Prohibition On Discussing Cryptographic Software With Foreign Students And Colleagues For Immediate Release Cleveland, Wednesday, August 7, 1996 For More Information Contact: Raymond Vasvari (216) 522-1925 Gino Scarselli (216) 291-8601 More Information Will Be Available at: URL: //http:/samsara.law.cwru.edu A Case Western Reserve University law professor filed suit today in federal court, challenging government regulations which restrict his ability to teach a course in computer law. Peter Junger, a twenty-five year veteran of the law school faculty, will file a federal civil rights action this afternoon in the United States District Court in Cleveland. The suit names the Department of State and the secretive National Security Agency, which administer federal regulations limiting Professor Junger's ability to teach. The case involves the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR, federal regulations which restrict the export of military technology. Under the ITAR, cryptographic computer software, which encodes text to preserve the privacy of messages on the Internet, is considered a "munition" and subject to strict export control. The regulations raise significant First Amendment questions by defining "export" to include discussing technical information about non-classified software with foreign nationals, such as students registered for Professor Junger's course. In recent months, the State Department has sent a series of letters threatening possible criminal action to a Florida man who posted a simple cryptographic algorithm to the "sci.crypt" Usenet Newsgroup, an Internet site popular with cryptography enthusiasts. These and similar incidents have caused Professor Junger to limit his discussions of cryptographic material with foreign colleagues, for fear of violating the ITAR. Penalties for unlicenced disclosure of cryptographic information are severe: federal law provides ten year prison terms and One Million Dollar fines for those convicted of violating the Arms Export Control Act, the legislation under which the ITAR was promulgated. Professor Junger, whose class at Case Western Reserve focuses on the legal aspects of computer use and software development, plans to turn away any foreign students who register for the course this fall, largely because the law is uncertain as to what he may teach, and to whom. The restrictions at issue are administered by the Department of State, in cooperation with the ultra-secret National Security Agency, the organization charged with eavesdropping on foreign governments. Under the ITAR, Junger may not teach foreign students about even simple software capable of encoding messages. Such software is vital to maintaining the privacy of communications and financial transactions on the Internet, and Junger believes that lawyers need to understand how it works in order to prepare to practice in an increasingly technological world. The information that Junger wishes to disclose is widely available on the Internet and elsewhere. "It's not as though we are talking about classified information," explained Gino Scarselli, one of three lawyers representing Junger in the case. "The material at issue in this case can be found in any university library, but the regulations make no exceptions for even the most basic software," Scarselli noted. The lawsuit does not challenge the government's right to restrict access to classified information. Junger is also represented by Raymond Vasvari and Kevin Francis O'Neill, two Cleveland attorneys with considerable experience in First Amendment issues. As Vasvari explained, the suit presents important First Amendment questions about the government's ability to regulate academic life. "These regulations allow the government to dictate what a professor may and may not teach, even though the material involved poses no threat to national security," Vasvari explained. The suit charges that by requiring Junger to apply for a federal license to discuss cryptography with foreigners, the government is violating a well-established First Amendment rule which prohibits the government from imposing prior restraints on expression without clear, narrowly drawn standards distinguishing prohibited expression from permissible speech. The United States Supreme Court has consistently held that such prior restraints face a heavy burden in court, and that standardless licencing schemes allowing officials broad discretion in restriction speech are unconstitutional. Because computer cryptography is expected to play an important role in the economic development of the Internet, the case is being closely watched. Scarselli has worked closely with attorneys affiliated with the San Francisco based Electronic Frontier Foundation in preparing the suit, and Junger and his lawyers have been in frequent contact with John Gilmore, formerly of Sun Microsystems, who has offered his assistance as a technical advisor in the case. At issue is not only Junger's right to discuss cryptography with foreigners, but also his and other's right to publish and distribute such information both in traditional forms and on the internet. Professor Junger's suit seeks declaratory and injunctive relief, prohibiting the government from interfering with his, or any other person's, discussing non-classified cryptographic information with foreign persons or from publishing that information. Lawyers for Junger have moved the court for a preliminary injunction. Junger's course begins in the fall semester, later this month.

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For what it's worth...
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Erltsung Schang <etschang(a)zsu.edu.cn> Subject: Could anyone feed me news? Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:49:10 +0800 Organization: Network Center of Zhongshan University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3209E246.DE3(a)zsu.edu.cn> Reply-To: etschang(a)zsu.edu.cn NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.96.129.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) Hi, Could anyone help me to feed me news? Thank you very much! Erltsung Schang Network Center of Zhongshan University 135, West Xin-gang Road Guangzhou, GD 510275 China Phone: 86-20-84184905 Fax: 86-20-84193772 E-mail: etschang(a)zsu.edu.cn

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RE: STEGO GUNS
by talon57＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathon <grafolog(a)netcom.com> wrote: >Said ordinance being passed, as a protest against Elk Grove, IL >passing an orinance, banning handguns. Anybody know when Elk >Grove revoked their ordinance? Crime went down for six months >there [ Elk Grove ] after the ban was passed, then it went up >far surpassing previous crime levels, for all types of crime. Pardon me Jonathon, but I believe you are confusing Morton Grove with Elk Grove. I do not have the statistics for the crime rates there, but several friends who have moved from there insist the crime rate has continued upwards as you mentioned. Also there are a couple of other interesting facts. 1) The city council exempted themselves from the handgun ban. 2) The wife of the Mayor reportedly purchased a handgun the day after the law was enacted. Brian

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Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by i am not a number! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake retrofit blah blah. How? Their license plates have been photographed. ... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next story.....

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:32 PM 8/8/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, John F. Fricker wrote: > >> ObCypherpunks: How many people do you know that are working on a day to day >> basis with medical records systems, the District Attorney's computers, your >> doctor's computers, state Department of Health, and so on. I'm sure it's >> come up before but isn't this an obvious of application of encryption and >> PAK (Public Access to Keys)? Any legislation currently to _require_ that >> medical records and such be encrypted with access restricted. > >"Require"? > >Wouldn't do shit. It's a social problem more than a technological problem. > Isn't that the role of legislation? To implement solutions that society would not do on it's own? The enabling technology is obviously off the self. I think you may have misinterpretted my last sentence which was supposed to have had a ? at the end. Where's the proof reader when you need one! --j

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PGP/Unix scripts, mail proggies?
by Chris Lee 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, I joined this list a while ago and am curious whether a there is a simple way to encrypt/decrypt e-mail with PGP in a Linux(Unix) enviroment...? Sorry if this has been answered a thousand times, but it would really make PGP a more viable option with my small ISP. Thank you very much for any answers, please reply to me personally. Chris Lee PS Please don't suggest any Windows programs, excluding X-Windows of course. :) =============================================================== | chrislee(a)sunspot.tiac.net | Finger for PGP Public Key | | "What color is a chameleon on a mirror?" -BSD | | WWW Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/chrislee | ===============================================================

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Re: driver license info, loss of liberty, etc.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:29 PM 8/8/96 -0400, Pete Loshin wrote: >The furor over the Oregon DMV database seems a bit misplaced: this type of >information is considered to be in the public domain. You can buy it on >tape/whatever for business purposes direct from the state. Actually, in Oregon I don't think there is any restriction as to what purposes you ask for the information. I've never filled out such a request before (preferring to get my data from a CDROM which tells no tales...) but as I understand it there's no restriction. (Other than legality?!?) > There are lots >of people who I don't want to have any information about me who can get >what's on file down at the Mass Registry of Motor Vehicles. That's the way >it works. > >Now, there's lots of times when it would have been nice to have access to >that information myself. Use your imagination. Why should the public be >denied the right to access this information when businesses have had that >privilege for some time? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be >taken away from businesses, either, though I suppose the states will now >pass laws prohibiting the public dissemination of this data. I've pointed out elsewhere that our goal should be the elimination of the collection of this data by the state in the first place, an appropriately radical idea. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Imprisoned for Not Having a Gun?
by morgan＠keilin.helsinki.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Tim May's posting: > > At 6:57 AM 8/9/96, The Deviant wrote: > > >I agree with you. I don't have anything against guns, but either > >requiring them or disallowing them is just plain dumb. It should be > >noted that the Supreme Court's interpretaion of "Congress shall make no > >law" is basicly "no lawmaking body that holds any jurisdiction shall make > >no law"... > > On this last point, I used to think so, too. However, one of the law > professors on one of these lists gave various examples purporting to show > that this is not so, that local jurisdictions can and do pass laws which > Congress is not permitted to pass. [I'm not a lawyer, and I can't answer Tim's question per se, but...] As I understand it, the Bill of Rights itself was conceived strictly as a set of limitations on the -federal- government, but that the 14th ammendment has been interpreted to apply the Bill of Rights to limit state and local governments. (When and with what scope, I'm not sure.) Section 1 of the 14th Ammendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction therof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which -------------------------------------------- shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United -------------------------------------------------------------------- States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or ------ property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. (emphasis mine) -- ===================================================================== Joel.Morgan(a)Helsinki.FI http://blues.helsinki.fi/~morgan "Over the mountains there are mountains." -- Chang-rae Lee =====================================================================

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Cybergangs?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"educom(a)educom.unc.edu" 8-AUG-1996 22:27:27.58 To: IN%"edupage(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu" "EDUCOM Edupage Mailing List" >***************************************************************** >Edupage, 8 August 1996. Edupage, a summary of news about information >technology, is provided three times a week as a service by Educom, >a Washington, D.C.-based consortium of leading colleges and universities >seeking to transform education through the use of information technology. >***************************************************************** >CYBERGANGS >The head of the gang task force for the Arizona Department of Public Safety >reports that a Web site established in Detroit offers a how-to guide for >gangster wannabes and is urging gang members everywhere to unite under its >umbrella to form the first cyberspace gang. The official says: "Now it's >in your home, your living room, your den... Unfortunately, these guys can >talk about anything they want and there's nothing law enforcement can do >about it." (Atlanta Journal-Constitution 8 Aug 96 F3) Umm... yes, it's called free speech. While organizational ability might be a matter for concern, somehow I doubt that having them on the net will do any real damage... being on a computer that mine is connected to hardly puts them "in [my] home," even if my computer at home were connected to a phone line. Bloody law enforcement paranoids... -Allen >Edupage is written by John Gehl <gehl(a)educom.edu> & Suzanne Douglas ><douglas(a)educom.edu>. Voice: 404-371-1853, Fax: 404-371-8057. >Technical support is provided by Information Technology Services at the >University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. >*************************************************************** >Edupage ... is what you've just finished reading. To subscribe to Edupage: >send mail to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu with the message: subscribe edupage >Abraham Lincoln (if your name is Abraham Lincoln; otherwise, substitute >your own name). ... To cancel, send a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu >with the message: unsubscribe edupage. (If you have subscription problems, >send mail to manager(a)educom.unc.edu.)

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Re: Boom!
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:58 PM 8/8/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 10:43 PM 8/8/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >>So, if it turns out that TWA 800 was an accidental wing tank explosion, will >>they give us our civil liberties back? If not, why not? >> > >You must be kidding. Civil rights (the real ones, not the affirmative >action/antidiscrimination bullshit kind) only get constricted. > >The government only tightens the noose, it never loosens it. I've got a...oh, never mind. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:50 AM 8/9/96, Mike Duvos wrote: > >The Post Office has now jumped on the terrorist bandwagon by >announcing that it will no longer be legal to drop any package >weighing over 16 ounces into a collection box. Actually, CNN was reporting that this is for _airmail_ only. Which makes a certain kind of sense, given the situation with bomb technology. >Larger packages will have to be presented in person at the >Post Office, and I wouldn't be surprised if several forms of >ID were required. The usual alternatives of UPS (cheaper) and FedEx (not so cheap) should still be viable. This could actually boost their business. I just had some Evil Smokeless Powder delivered to me via UPS. (The Post Office people will not handle this stuff...it either violates their union contracts or management is afraid the employees will use it to go postal with.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Boom!
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, if it turns out that TWA 800 was an accidental wing tank explosion, will they give us our civil liberties back? If not, why not? DCF "'It Takes a Village to Raise a Child' -- an unemployed hausfrau living in public housing in Washington, D.C."

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Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:50 8/8/96, Mike Duvos wrote: >The Post Office has now jumped on the terrorist bandwagon by >announcing that it will no longer be legal to drop any package >weighing over 16 ounces into a collection box. > >Larger packages will have to be presented in person at the >Post Office, and I wouldn't be surprised if several forms of >ID were required. We'll see the day. >Should wreak havoc with the mail order video tape rental business, >with those handy pre-paid 4th class labels you just slap on the >tapes before dropping in the nearest mailbox. A video tape weighs less than a pound. >I suspect one could do a lot of damage to a mailbox with under 16 >ounces of the proper explosive. Perhaps one of our resident >Cypherpunks bomb experts could expand on this subject. Sixteen ounces of C4 will do you right. It was only 12 ounces that brought down the Pan Am flight over Scotland. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 19:22 8/8/96, Timothy C. May wrote: >I just had some Evil Smokeless Powder delivered to me via UPS. (The Post >Office people will not handle this stuff...it either violates their union >contracts or management is afraid the employees will use it to go postal >with.) A while back, I ordered some "I love Explosives" bumper stickers from an explosives dealer in New Mexico. They also ship black powder via UPS to anyone. Twenty pounds maximum. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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anarchy cookbook???
by Michael Cortes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

cypherpunks Ok this is what happend.I was looking around on the www. And came across the jolly roger "anarchy cookbook" and i was wondering.Any one know what happend to jolly roger? -Zac ps: Oh and sorry for like all fucken up on my last letter heh

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:25 AM 8/8/96 -0700, Alan wrote: > It will be interesting to see the state come out on the side of all those > anonymous drivers. The state wants people to be anonymous from each other, but not anonymous from the state. This ensures that we are dependent on the state for the maintenance of civilized behavior. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: PRACTICAL USES FOR DMV RECORDS
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:47 AM 8/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >C'punks, > >On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> The Oregon DMV database needs a new home. I've seen a few >> mentions of willing volunteers,... > >It probably needs a whole new domain. How 'bout: > > burglary.org > >That way, when burglars see an Oregon car loaded with a family >heading south into California on vacation, they can just go on >line and get those folks' address from the database. > >Afterwards, a thank you note to Oregon's DMV would be in order. > > Currently they can stop in at the DMV, say something to the effect "this car hit my dog", pay $4 cash and never even have to take off the ski mask. The DMV has no ID requirements for giving out this information. It has without a doubt already been bought and sold many times to marketing companies ("Hey this guys got an old Toyota"), insurance companies, private investigators, thieves and mobsters, and at least one person on our side. Until there is such a thing as the "anonymous citizen" public data might as well be as public as it gets. This "for those who know" policy is pervasive and must end. --j Oregonian and in that database

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Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:55 AM 8/9/96, i am not a number! wrote: >CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake >retrofit blah blah. > >How? Their license plates have been photographed. >... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >story..... Don't expect anchorbimbos to have a thought about anything. (*) Though it might have given her more pause if the story was about how 80,000 women in California are being mailed special information on birth control options because their license plates were photographed in Planned Parenthood parking lots.... It really ought to be illegal for any level of government to monitor citizen-units this way, for any purpose. By the way, it also underscores something we've talked about before: surveillance technology is moving so fast that the Chaumian idea of avoiding movement-tracking by "digital cash" may be impossible to achieve. You can spend your digibucks to avoid being tracked on a toll road, but their cameras will see your (mandatory) license plate and maybe even your face anyway. --Tim (* In the first "Robocop," anchorbimbo extraordinaire Leeza Gibbons, clone of Mary Hart, did a wonderful satire of bubbleheaded hairspray journalists.) Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Drive the SF Central Freeway, have your license plate photo'ed.
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:55 8/8/96, i am not a number! wrote: >CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake >retrofit blah blah. > >How? Their license plates have been photographed. >... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next >story..... You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:49 AM 8/9/96, John F. Fricker wrote: >Isn't that the role of legislation? To implement solutions that society >would not do on it's own? > >The enabling technology is obviously off the self. > >I think you may have misinterpretted my last sentence which was supposed to >have had a ? at the end. Where's the proof reader when you need one! "To implement solutions that society would not do on it's own?" Would not do, or could not do? It is within anyone's power to ask their psychiatrist what form of encryption he uses to protect his files. Likewise with doctors and hospitals. (Though I freely admit that one would not be likely to get very far. For at least the next decade or two, the reaction will likely be "Huh?" But "legislation" mandating a form of encryption is not the answer. For many reasons.) On this list at least, calls for passing laws to implement societal solutions are not usually smiled upon. This is not to say such discussions are out of bounds, only that you'd better make some persuasive arguments and not just appeal to our common sense sympathies for social engineering and more laws. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Oregon DMV database: "Needs a good home"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Oregon DMV database needs a new home. I've seen a few mentions of willing volunteers, but I've deleted the notes. Could you re-send offers of interest to me? Thanks. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Imprisoned for Not Having a Gun?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:57 AM 8/9/96, The Deviant wrote: >I agree with you. I don't have anything against guns, but either >requiring them or disallowing them is just plain dumb. It should be >noted that the Supreme Court's interpretaion of "Congress shall make no >law" is basicly "no lawmaking body that holds any jurisdiction shall make >no law"... On this last point, I used to think so, too. However, one of the law professors on one of these lists gave various examples purporting to show that this is not so, that local jurisdictions can and do pass laws which Congress is not permitted to pass. If they read this, they can comment. --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 AM 8/9/96 -0700, David Wagner wrote: >I say, what we need is a little more abuse. I say, a well-publicized >incident of abuse of the driver's license database can do more to >help the cause of privacy than any amount of intellectually compelling >debate. Perhaps one horrible incident of abuse would ignite enough >public backlash to stop states from selling their databases at the >drop of a hat. The murder of the actress Rebecca Schaefer (sp?) by an obsessed fan (who paid a private detective to get her address from the California DMV) did cause California to somewhat restrict license and registration information. I think they eased up though later. I don't know who can get info there these days. This particular problem can be avoided privately by reporting a mail drop rather than your real address to the state. DCF

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alien life found
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

it's no good them showing up now. welfare for alien life forms, even if they are just germ life forms, is definitely out, as of right now, so they shouldn't even ask. -paul crypto relevance? it's obviously, isn't it? > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Wed Aug 7 18:47:42 1996 > X-Sender: schryver(a)radiks.net > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 05:20:33 -0500 > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: Scott Schryvers <schryver(a)radiks.net> > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Content-Length: 380 > > NBC News at Sunrise has just announced the discovery of alien life on the > planet Mars. The lifeform that became extinct more than 2 billion years > ago was found as a fossil in a meteor that originated from mars and landed > on earth. The fossil found was a primitive germ life form. > > PGP encrypted mail preferred. > E-Mail me for my key. > Scott J. Schryvers <schryver(a)radiks.net> > >

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Re: Imprisoned for Not Having a Gun?
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim writes: > > Regarding that town nearby that passed a _requirement_ that all households > have a gun: [...] Quite a while back, I read an article in National Rifleman (the NRA magazine), that for part of the 19th century it was the law that all adult men in the Balkan statelet of Montenegro must carry a pistol when in public (a close relative of the ruler had a monopoly on the manufacture and sale of firearms in the kingdom). Traveler's reports noted the extreme civility of Montenegrin society during this period. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Re: "Thank you for not smoking" and other euphemisms
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> (And then there's the "sliding scale donation suggested," say, from $5 to > $15. Presumably this is the embodiment of pure Marxist theory, "from each > according to his ability, to each according to his need." Be interesting to > see their reaction if one declined to make any donation.) > > --Tim May This summer I went to meet my wife at the American Museum of Natural History in NYC, and discovered that I had a total of 10 cents in pennies in my pocket - and that they took only cash or checks, and the 'suggested donation' was $6. The nearest cash machine was several blocks away. So, I paid 10 cents. The cashier took it without batting an eye, gave my my donor's tag (they no longer use the little metal ones depicting a dinosaur (sigh)), and said 'Thank you'. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Re: PGP Mailer for the masses ?
by geoff＠commtouch.co.il 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: provos(a)wserver.physnet.uni-hamburg.de, coderpunks(a)toad.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Aug 09 15:56:37 1996 Niels, Thanks, for describing the features of Pronto Secure :) This is how Pronto Secure matches up to your checklist: > Here is just a short list what such a programm should be able to > do: ( all options should be optional ;) > > Sending Mail: > - Clear signing of outgoing mail YES > - If public key of recipients is known encrypt with those keys YES > - If there is access to a public keyserver try to get a public key > for the recipients YES > Receiving Mail: > - While reading mail ( similiar to premail ) try to check existing > signatures if public key is available otherwise try to get > public key from server YES (do on the fly signature checking as mail arrives in inbox) > - Traverse the web of trust and show how the public key is > related to one own keys to mutual signatures on other public keys > ( For example mean distance to a key signed by the recipient > himself ) NO (we handle certification by allowing the user to modify a list of trusted certifiers for signing keys) > - If the mail contains a public key add it to the keyring NO (Key is shown as an attachment icon double click on it adds it to the keyring) > - Don't show pgp blocks in Mail since they might confuse YES > Keymanagement: > - Should be integrated in the addressbook together with E-Mail > Address and name. YES > - Keys should be imported via generation or via mail or via a file YES (or the clipboard) > - If you have a public key without an entry in the addressbook > take the EMail and Name from the public key YES (or prompt user to supply address) > - One should be able to sign the keys during import if origin is > known NO (signing keys is a separate process. This gives the user an opportunity to authenticate on another channel) > Misc: > - Passphrase should be kept in memory for a definable time, 0 for > immediate deletion, thus you would be prompted for the passphrase > each time you use it. Question about Windows Swapspace ? or tag the > memory as uncacheable ? NO (Keyboard sniffing is too easy to do in Windows, This would give a false sense of security) > I would suggest creating a library with seperate io and gui parts in > order to motivate peeple in helping who do not want to support > mainstream products like Windows. Like taking the PGP 3.0 lib ( is it > out yet ?) and modify it a bit. YES (Separating UI from security functionality is also the right way to go for offering plug in security providers) > Since there are a variety of good functioning mailers available > already it wouldn't make sense developing the whole stuff but instead > only integrate the library into existing products. NO (It will not be an easy task to design a general library of UI elements that any mail client will be able to seemlessly plug into.) > Do you think that such proposal is senseable and that there are > people who would be willing to support the idea with programming > affords ? It exists. Plus a few additional features not mentioned, and a much longer wish-list in the process of being implemented. Check it out. It is available from http://www.commtouch.com/p1.htm IMPORTANT: COMMTOUCH WILL GIVE A FREE COPY OF PRONTO SECURE TO ANY MEMBER OF THE CODERPUNKS/CYPHERPUNKS LISTS SUPPLYING USEFUL FEEDBACK ABOUT THE PRODUCT. The impressions of early users of Pronto Secure can be viewed at: http://www.commtouch.com/testers.htm (many of whom are list members) Regards, Geoff. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Klein, Pronto Secure Product Manager; www.commtouch.com My PGP public Key 1814AD45 can be obtained by sending a message to geoff(a)commtouch.co.il with "Get PGP Key" as the subject. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMgs1ikLv5OMYFK1FAQGe/gP/RdXtVIwo7aupkJn6X4VNTuNHHymPf9fJ k7FAsONAAP9qbr4UaWzJXxWuvmxLgt5gsMpk6yzp6vY80krQqPf6SqphW7FOjGTq PB05bNLDHm9SRGjVvKRHzGbOr094gkFpeso2C3MeMiDbT0J5gsLJOeMJsIb4NW2A lHZ6e+o535w= =R2jc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Tim's Mac Tales
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thaks to Tim for politely noting that I alfingered most admirable Gordon Moore as mal intendu Intel-inside wheeler-dealer. That's actually Andy Grove, el supremo maestro of Intel intel despicably untellable -- except to those deep, deep inside black budgeteering. A crank SciFi fantasy, to be sure, long ago, and well into the intel futures, disproven. Like NASDAQ never cheats consumers.

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, Aaron - >> I'm watching the LA NBC news channel, and they report that the Oregon "look >> up any license plate" Web site is causing a flap. Though apparently legal, >> the critics admit, the Governor wants the material removed. ( Aaron Nabil's page is at http://www.i.net/cgi-bin/plates , but temporarily won't give you license plate information.) A nice touch, at least for now, would be to put up some propaganda about "The State of Oregon sells your license plate information to anyone who wants to buy it. Big companies have it. Small sleazy companies have it. Tax collectors have it. Car thieves and burglars can buy it if they want. Everybody but _you_ has it -- I've put it on the net so you can have it too. If this bothers you (and maybe it should), don't complain to the governor about it being on the web - complain that the State is selling your private data. I've taken the server down temporarily, but press HERE for the Governor's info, HERE for Senator Hatfield (AAA001), and HERE for the DMV head bureaucrat?" If you want to get fancy, you could have the search return a FOUND / NOT FOUND record, so people could check for vanity license plates (if Oregon has them), or search for well-known politicians' information. The data's there; it's just a matter of crunching it. "Big Bro knows License Plate AAA001, Mr. M. H. " "Big Brother doesn't know License Plate AAA" # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Defuse Authority!

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photographed license plates
by i am not a number! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:55 8/8/96, i am not a number! wrote: >CBS radio news this morning: 80,000 commuters traveling the central >f'way in SF will have information mailed to them regarding the quake >retrofit blah blah. > >How? Their license plates have been photographed. >... and the cheery "news" anchorwoman sweetly moved on to the next >story..... >> You *are* making this up, right? Please say you did. ------------------------------------------ I AM NOT making this up, unfortunately. The news story contents may be bolluxed, of course, maybe they got it wrong. But this is what she said, no joking. O, and I think they're talking more about putting up cameras at some troubling intersections to take pictures of cars running red-lights. And cameras on transit vehicles (buses primarily). Gee, I am starting to feel so warm and safe!

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Re: Why should we trust the system?
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: >When supporting plans like GAK ("key escrow") and wiretaps... <snip> >If we allow this fiasco to die without a full analysis, >particularly in light of the government's repeated assurances >with regards to search warrants, we will be as incompetent as >the police were. Further, my original question, phoned in anonymously to the FBI, mailed in anonymously to this list, and asked to the media (I guess I like wasting my time) has never been either asked or answered. I will restate it in stronger terms: "Why the hell, when you have a tape of the perp. saying something, do you not air it in the middle of a city chock full of people who could very well know this guy's voice/mannerisms?" Why didn't the media ask for it, and then give the answer (the fibbieclerk had no answer at all for me) the FBI gave?? Am I missing something? We hear 911 tapes ALL THE TIME of various stuff happening. Has the FBI suddenly become a bunch of civil liberties activists WRT the privacy of terrorist bombers? Just asking. me

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Re: Going Postal (Was: Boom!)
by David.K.Merriman＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Aug 09 10:12:37 1996 > The Post Office has now jumped on the terrorist bandwagon by > announcing that it will no longer be legal to drop any package > weighing over 16 ounces into a collection box. > ... > > I suspect one could do a lot of damage to a mailbox with under 16 > ounces of the proper explosive. Perhaps one of our resident > Cypherpunks bomb experts could expand on this subject. Don't know that I'm a 'bomb expert', but it would appear reasonable that 6 just-under-a-pound bombs would do approximately as much damage as a similarly sized larger device. Even if the 6 devices got scattered to two or more aircraft, the terror factor would be significant Dave Merriman - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PGP Email welcome, encouraged, and PREFERRED. Visit my web site at http://www.shellback.com/p/merriman for my PGP key and fingerprint "What is the sound of one hand clapping in a forest with no one there to hear it?" I use Pronto Secure (tm) PGP-fluent Email software for Windows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCUAwUBMgqeo8VrTvyYOzAZAQFGfAP3ZL7pgWjadNN93mtwdG4cm60VjGcdP4G9 JlwS96gs6QJ0lD1CImMQL82KUIYe1IpPidC3bq5kTQhGbdM69yFiUmCxOGNwnH1L pEbeEZ/OGDf0bnk/BYhoRKp1ufgdTVVSB1T0WZEYIaLe2zX1zzQPli4LW4UPUrds 5tmjt4QMEg== =AZ0H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto Interface in Netscape
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is it just my windows machine or are the security dialogs in Netscape3.0b6 completely unreadable? I get a dithered grey background behind black text. Can'tread the dialog boxes that show up when I see a new cert. (Speaking of which, there seems to be a new long list of acceptable CA's. Has Netscape published a policy doc explaining how Adam's Quik & EZ CA can get on the list? And, those CA's should have hyperlinks, so I can easily find their policies for key signing, so I can decide rationally that I don't trust the Post Office to certify things. Right now, its just a gut feeling that they can't be trusted. "Please don't call them junk certificates.") Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by jfricker＠vertexgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:23 PM 8/8/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 2:49 AM 8/9/96, John F. Fricker wrote: > >>Isn't that the role of legislation? To implement solutions that society >>would not do on it's own? >> >>The enabling technology is obviously off the self. >> >>I think you may have misinterpretted my last sentence which was supposed to >>have had a ? at the end. Where's the proof reader when you need one! > >"To implement solutions that society would not do on it's own?" > >Would not do, or could not do? It is within anyone's power to ask their >psychiatrist what form of encryption he uses to protect his files. Likewise >with doctors and hospitals. > Well where there's a will there's a way. I agree that the general public and the market place often lacks the power to affect particular events. Central planning can facility certain processes. Free-marketers may argue that I can query and select based upon my encryption criteria but chances are my psychiatrist will do nothing more than "make note" of paranoia and ponder it's significance: "Do you resent your mother?" >(Though I freely admit that one would not be likely to get very far. For at >least the next decade or two, the reaction will likely be "Huh?" But >"legislation" mandating a form of encryption is not the answer. For many >reasons.) > >On this list at least, calls for passing laws to implement societal >solutions are not usually smiled upon. This is not to say such discussions >are out of bounds, only that you'd better make some persuasive arguments >and not just appeal to our common sense sympathies for social engineering >and more laws. I am not a great fan of social engineering and regulations. Yet the legisture in Oregon may get called for a special session to address this issue and I see this an opportunity for a grander arguement than merely acccess to the DMV data. And as much as we dislike the presence of the governments they do indeed exist. Living within their domain limits our choices to either: complacency through inaction (cynicism et al), attempts at isolation (back to the land), or taking an active role through voting, education, civil disobedience or participation in the process (a pox on party politics! the latter choice is easily the least enticing while civil disobedience can be truly fun! >g<). Ok so call me a statist and shove me out the door, but I am not argueing for the existance of a state. It does currently exist and I am not self-sufficient. But I digress. So. #1) My state legislature may very well get called to address this issue. Do they have any concept of the big picture here? That the DMV data is one small part of a debate regarding privacy which needs to be addressed. This is an opportunity for some education and by the end of the day I should know if my representatives are willing to listen. #2) The records industry (for lack of a better term to encompass all companies that accumulate data on individuals) needs some standards and guidelines. Or walls and fences. Maybe even bars and a moat! And the sooner the better. Federally imposed software requirements are not uncommon in certain industries. It is time for standards for the personal data maintained by co-operating entities (ie agencies the public co-operates with such as doctors, the DMV, and so on). #3) The goal is the anonymous citizen. The first step it to secure the data currently exposed. Can this be done _without_ legislation? --j

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SecurID
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

someone at my firm is about to press the securid system down our collective throats. please point me to the recent thread on this subject, and/or point me to some url's or the like, or to someone who has some firsthand knowledge of the pitfalls and/or vulnerbilities of secirid. cheers, -paul

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Re: Why should we trust the system?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:19 PM 8/9/96, Anonymous wrote: >Further, my original question, phoned in anonymously to the FBI, >mailed in anonymously to this list, and asked to the media (I >guess I like wasting my time) has never been either asked or >answered. I will restate it in stronger terms: >"Why the hell, when you have a tape of the perp. saying something, >do you not air it in the middle of a city chock full of people >who could very well know this guy's voice/mannerisms?" Why didn't >the media ask for it, and then give the answer (the fibbieclerk >had no answer at all for me) the FBI gave?? Am I missing something? >We hear 911 tapes ALL THE TIME of various stuff happening. Has the >FBI suddenly become a bunch of civil liberties activists WRT the >privacy of terrorist bombers? >Just asking. This is the single best suggestion/question I have heard about this entire case! Why, indeed, has the 911 threat not been aired publically, where someone might recognize the voice as being that of their brother, or boss, or whatever? And might hear immediately that whomever it is, it ain't Richard Jewell. If any of you cyber-journalists who hang out here in the wings on Cypherpunks, collecting material for stories, are reading this, please ask your journalists covering the Atlanta bombing about this. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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The Ostrich Security Principle
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:47 PM 8/9/96, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >It probably needs a whole new domain. How 'bout: > > burglary.org > >That way, when burglars see an Oregon car loaded with a family >heading south into California on vacation, they can just go on >line and get those folks' address from the database. > >Afterwards, a thank you note to Oregon's DMV would be in order. Sounds like a market niche to me...people at the border could sell the plate numbers (and even full DMV searches) of cars they see....maybe with a higher price paid for "real-time quotes," and a lower price paid for "15-minute-delayed quotes." Just like the stock market. By the way, I'm watching MSNBC and they're engaging in a fretfest about this Oregon situation, with calls for "regulating the Internet." "There is no good reason for this to be on the Internet." is one line I heard. (If the stuff is legal to own, and is "public information," just what exception to the First Amendment could be used to bar publishing?) BTW, this latest issue is similar to the flap several years ago over Lotus' plan to sell to the public a CD-ROM of zipcodes and whatnot. (I think it was called "Lotus Neighborhoods.") So-called "privacy activists" raised a hue and cry and the plan was cancelled. Of course, corporations and other such interest groups can get the data, so not much was accomplished. Many of us thought it was a blow to real privacy issues. The Ostrich Security Principle: "It is more important to have the _illusion_ of privacy than to have real privacy." --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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secret sharing protocol - new or reinvented ?
by peter.allan＠aeat.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Schneier in That Book 2nd Ed p73 refers to "secret sharing with disenrollment", but without giving details of such a scheme. He gives a reference [1004] I think, by K Martin, which has about 10 pages on the subject. But I have not got it. I planned a "secret sharing with disenrollment" scheme last night. Here is a brief description and if somebody with the book tells me it's new (unlikely I think) I'll write it up in more formally. It has a resemblance to S/Key, but in the other direction and using a keyed hash function. If you see snags with this, I'd like to know. Peter Allan peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk Trent chooses his shareholders, a block cypher (or keyed hash), a threshold, and a number of steps. The threshold should be more than half the number of shareholders. (Say 15 shareholders for a 10 out of 15 scheme, using DES, over 20 steps.) Trent generates 15 64-bit DES keys (not caring about parity), and gives them securely one to each shareholder. He introduces all shareholders to each other so they can recognise each other later. He also tells them the number of steps (here 20). Trent (in possession of all shares) calculates the secret, which is a 64-bit number. Obviously this could just be a key for a secret not yet created at share distribution time. Secret calculation is performed by executing the required number of steps, and the result of the last step is the secret. Disenrollment (conducted by shareholders, presumably under orders from Trent) is the performance of one step, omitting those to be disenrolled. (The number of possible disenrollments is limited by the threshold.) One step is this set of actions: Using a normal threshold scheme, such as Shamir's Lagrange Polynomials a sufficient number of shareholders construct a single secret from their shares. Call this M. M is then used to update all their shares using a keyed hash function. Table 18.1 suggests H_i = E H_i-1 (M) XOR M M and every H_i-1 is destroyed. Now those absent from the meeting have no M value to advance their share, and nobody (even the other shareholders following a change of heart) can reproduce it for them. Shareholders deduct 1 from the number of steps still to be performed.

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