December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Altair emulator?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So you always wanted to run an Altair... http://www.nwlink.com/~tigger/altair.html Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Lack of PGP signatures
by vinnie moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks it's time to shit or get off the pot. If what is holding us back is a PGPlib, (even though I personaly belive it's a bit late, S-MIME is becoming pretty popular) then either finish it, or make it available for someone else to finish it. I know that at least on the Mac if there was a there was a PGPlib, you would have seen more than one native email plug-in from the last Mac hack. Maybe Macintosh developers havent done crypto for a variety of reasons, whether it be NSA strong arming or not, BUT... I tell you as soon as someone releases a Mac CFM library that does crypto, thats when you will see interfaces that Joe-sixpack will use. And none of this silly telnet/unix shell I can't send my passphrase over the wire crap. Hello...Thats why they (we) make powerbooks. OH and I would suggest that you do make the interfaces/doc public in several well-known places (TM) ASAP. cause like the AT&T commercial says, have you ever been visited by the men with dark suits..you will. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Philly Inquirer: More old, conterfactual "Hate on the Net" "news"
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is fucking amazing. In the last month, the two most well-known young neo-Nazi activists on the net, having been exposed to a true diversity of opinion and true free speech on the Internet, repudiated their former beliefs (I'm buying one of them a beer next week); the most well-known neo-Nazi propagandist on the net, frustrated by having her daily newsletter posted publicly to Usenet, lashes out at DejaNews for building a case against her (she knows her own words are her best refutation); and serious attempts by neo-Nazis to rmgroup and vertical-spam two newsgroups where neo-Nazi movements are discussed and refuted failed without a single spam-cancel or account closure that could be mischaracterized as "censorship." And yet Reid comes out with the old Horsemen fear-mongering about "Hate on the Net." He even quotes an old piece from *former* net.nazi Milton Kleim WHICH MILTON NO LONGER SUPPORTS. The Dreaded Nazi Threat to the Net is in disarray, and the totally discredited and impotent kook Don Black (the man who would be king of the island of Dominica, but his coup failed) gets a front-page story in the Philadelphia Inqirer to sneer at America on July 4th. Unbelievable. No wonder Don was happy to send the full text of the article, below, to his ever-shrinking pool of supporters (and others) on his Stormfront mailing list (send "archive stormfront-l" in the body of a message to listserv(a)stormfront.org if you'd like to browse the last 100 messages, half of which talk about the recent breakdown in "the movement"). It seems they're determined to beat on the Four Horsemen even when it's patently obvious that they're dead. Reid Kanaley's email address is rkanaley(a)voicenet.com, but it seems he's only interested in talking to "experts" who are way, way out of touch with current events. -rich censor internet now! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/ boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:13:53 GMT From: "don.black" <dblack(a)jbx.com> To: rich(a)c2.org Subject: SF: More "Hate on the Net" news >From this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer <http://www2.phillynews.com/inquirer/96/Jul/04/front_page/HATE04.htm>... Happy Independence Day! --Don Page One Thursday, July 4, 1996 Hate groups reaching vast Internet audience They are reaching a vast audience. Some Web sites are ``very, very slick says an observer. By Reid Kanaley INQUIRER STAFF WRITER Don Black, who was once national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and now runs a site on the World Wide Web called Stormfront, recognized early that the Internet was the place to be. ``The potential of the Net for organizations and for movements such as ours is enormous,'' Black, 42, of West Palm Beach, Fla., said in an interview. ``We're reaching tens of thousands of people who never before have had access to our point of view.'' Those who monitor the activities of extremists such as right-wing militias, neo-Nazis, Holocaust-denial groups and others agree that the Internet is proving irresistible to those organizations for communication, propaganda and recruitment. In a written response to an interview request e-mailed to Minuteman Press Online, a militia-oriented Web site, someone identified as R.A. Mann declined to be interviewed yesterday, but added: ``Militias use the Internet in the same way other groups do: data verification, urgent updates, tips on everything, legislation overviews, etc.'' Begun in the late 1980s as an electronic bulletin board for the so-called ``white nationalist'' movement, Stormfront was moved by Black to the Web in March 1995. The site is decorated with German-gothic text, white-pride graphics, and letters urging African Americans to thank whites for slavery. ``At the time of the Oklahoma City bombing [ in April 1995 ] , maybe two or three racist groups had Web pages,'' said Rick Eaton, senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. ``There are now dozens, if not over 100 outright racist Web pages. There's a lot of new players that we never saw before, and most importantly there is a sense of communication and instant gratification -- that they're not alone.'' And many of their online efforts amount to ``very sophisticated advertisements for their groups,'' said Paul V. Fleming, a mass communications graduate student at Oklahoma State University, who has co-authored a research paper on Internet hate speech. ``Some of these sites are just very, very slick,'' with good graphics and downloadable ``hate music,'' Fleming said. Several watchdog groups, including the Anti-Defamation League and the Wiesenthal Center, are attempting to closely monitor hate speech on the Internet. The Wiesenthal Center, Eaton said, now focuses up to 80 percent of its research activity on the worldwide linkage of computer networks where cheap, unfettered and often anonymous global discourse points up both the blessings and curses of free speech. Black said he oversees an e-mail discussion group with 380 subscribers and an electronic mailing list for 1,200 people. But since March of 1995 he says his web site has been visited by thousands more. ``What we've done is begin to break that monopoly'' of the mainstream media, said Black. ``Anyone, of course, can set up a Web page, and in our case we've been pretty successful at it as far as the traffic we've gotten.'' ``Up to now, you had a guy like Don Black . . . sitting there and basically playing at being a Nazi when the lights are out. Now all of a sudden there is a double sense of empowerment: Their message, theoretically, gets out to hundreds of thousands or millions of people . . . and they're in touch with each other instantaneously,'' said Mark Weitzman, director of the Wiesenthal Center's Task Force Against Hate. Groups serious about using violence are not likely to be using the relatively insecure Internet to communicate, several experts said. Eaton said he had not previously heard the names of any of those arrested this week as part of an alleged plot by the Viper Militia in Arizona to bomb buildings in Phoenix. Were the Vipers on the Internet? ``Nope, I can't find 'em,'' said Richard Bash of Portland, Oregon, who maintains an electronic mailing list for the academic discussion of terrorism, and is writing a doctoral dissertation about militias. Most extremist-group members are ``blowhards'' who migrated from such innocuous activities as ``bowling leagues.'' Rarely, he said, do they pose a threat to society. Weitzman said, however, that increasing electronic communication among these extremists could be inspiring more to violence. ``With the arrests in Arizona, you see more people willing to go to the extreme,'' he said. ``As the communications increase between them, there is a sense: We have this link, we can start doing something about society.'' He said impressionable young people are the propaganda targets of many extremist groups. ``They see the Internet as an incredible recruiting tool. It is wide open for kids and, essentially, the younger the better, because they can get them before they develop all the intellectual resources to combat what they're saying,'' Weitzman said. ``Organizations have recruited through Stormfront, and through their Web pages that we've linked to,'' said Black. Some experts say that the nature of the Internet makes it difficult to stumble upon extremist material without looking for it. But Eaton contests that. He pointed out that a Web search for the term ``Talmud'' on the Infoseek service turns up a page from Stormfront titled ``The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed,'' in the top 10 of 353 references. In another search, the first and third of 415 references found for the word, ``Auschwitz,'' were links to the Web site of an organization that denies the Holocaust took place. And an online essay by white supremacist Milton Kleim Jr., 25, of Roseville, Minn., urges a campaign by ``cyber guerrillas'' to proselytize in the Internet discussion groups called Usenet news groups: ``Usenet offers enormous opportunity for the Aryan Resistance to disseminate our message to the unaware and the ignorant . . . We MUST move out beyond our present domain, and take up positions on `mainstream' groups.'' In his paper titled ``An Examination of Hate Speech, Censorship and the First Amendment on the Internet,'' presented in March to a Las Vegas conference on American popular culture, Fleming and co-author Torey Lightcap said, ``The Internet is accused of not only giving hate groups an uncontrolled platform but also legitimizing them.'' But the paper concludes that ``like the non-electronic world, citizens of cyberspace will probably have to live with hate speech as one of its liabilities in order to enjoy the wide range of benefits the Internet offers.'' Cyberspace libertarians severely criticized the Wiesenthal Center earlier this year when it sent thousands of letters to Internet service providers asking them to deny Web space to hate groups. Eaton said he was disappointed that barely a score of providers responded. ``We would like to see providers say, `This stuff is crap, and we're not going to put it on,''' he said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: Multiple recipients of the Stormfront-L Mailing List Host: Don Black <dblack(a)mail.stormfront.org> Finger for PGP public key. Post to 'Stormfront-L(a)stormfront.org' with 'SF:' prepending the subject. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to 'Listserv(a)stormfront.org' with the line 'unsubscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Processed with Listserv v2.92 for Wildcat v4

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InfoTrends ISTrends - Issue 55 (fwd)
by P. J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anybody know what this is about? I noticed it in the current issue of Information Society Trends. Thanks. Happy Independence Day USA! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:00:49 +0200 From: ISPO Administrator <root(a)www.ispo.cec.be> To: istrends(a)www.ispo.cec.be Subject: InfoTrends ISTrends - Issue 55 Information Society Trends Issue number: 55 - (13.6.96 - 27.6.96) [big piece snipped out here] TECHNOLOGY The Japanese Ministry of International trade and Industry (MITI) is planning the launch in 1997 in collaboration with Japanese electronics and computer firms of trials for an electronic certification system which would be used for the transmission of formal documents as well as to provide a high level of security for electronic commerce. [more stuff snipped out here] __________________________________________________________________________ DGXIII - The content of "Information Society Trends" does not necessarily reflect the European Commission's views. Also available electronically: http:/www.ispo.cec.be/ispo/press.html E-mail subscription: Majordomo(a)www.ispo.cec.be; enter SUBSCRIBE ISTRENDS + your e-mail address

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by vinnie moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since this has become terror-punks I guess I should throw my e$.02 into the fray. I have to agree with the entity that call himself snow that one of the reasons that you don't see so much civil induced terrorism in the US, (as oposed to terrorism the Feds do) is because there is so many channels for free speach here. This helps to vent and depresurize the situations. There is little need for organizations to underground, since most things can (or used to be) be better done out in the open. In fact you will attract less governement attention that way. Take Greedpiece (typo) GreenPeace for instance, they are able to perform thier forms of terrorism very overtly, same for Anti-Abortionists. Sometimes I am astounded by the lack common sense that government officials display. Bill Klinton and his media budies (Ted Copulate etc) are the best recruiters for Militia groups, After the OKC bombing, his accusations of Militia involvement pissed off so many middle of the roaders that memberships showed a marked increase. Thanks to Sen Fineswine, Semi-Auto purchases had a record year in California. (does she have stock in Norinco?) There is no conspiricy on the governements part, just plain stupidity. >Then why do you float ideas such as buying out the Soviet arsenal if you >think it isn't possible? actually I know of an individual who did just that: he bought out an DDR arsenal, and flew it into Ohio on a Soviet transport. Scared the shit out of the ATC working the airport that day. Result: large supply of Soviet SKS, Moisan-Naggant and AK's for gunshops, just in time for the Fineswine blue light special. he made big bucks. >however, we will probably > see that again in parts of the world as many cultures do not have the >basic > respect for life we do. the first time you witness a small child begging > for chocolate exploded by a remote control pressed by her father, you > understand --you do not necessarily like it, it's just survival. > and faced with a decision of giving up 'n' "friendlies" for 1000n, or even > more, to survive, I know where I stood, and still stand Yes it does have a way of changing the way you look at the world. I only wish the clowns in office who make the decisions that the grunts guarding the embassies should have empty mags, could see any of this shit. War does suck, and suck in a big way, and when your there, and I don't mean watching it on CNN, you ARE in a world of hurt. > if the U.S does adopt the police state tactics Bubba > is espousing, the U.S. will be faced with _real_ terror, not staged > incidents to justify the martial law, etc. Roger that, an I for one don't want to see that war fought on US soil. This is the part that scares me the most. So my point is, the more the government inflates a non existant problem, the bigger the problem gets. The part that really bothers me is that too many times these are all diversion from important issues. The American people seem to be on a steady diet of OJ and CNN, when the war, the real war that will shape the future gets no media coverage. Things like education, and economic strategy are just not sexy enough for TV. >However, you will never be able to buy out the religious terrorists > --they are on a "mission." I was always taught They have nothing left to lose..make em happy and send em to Allah (or whatever) as quickly as you can. >There is no cure for the "revolutionary" terrorists .. > If we do not even print their obit, there is no glory! Tim, you are asking for the liberal media to act responsibly.. what were you thinking? speaking of liberal media, I have lost all creditibility with my Bostonian friends this week trying to tell em about the feature I saw in the San Jose TV news, where some animal expert actually suggested admininstrating tranquilizers to the family poodle in preparation for 4th of July festivities..something do with fireworks. OK maybe in Santa Cruz the animals (at least the ones downtown) are already on tranquilizers. But who wants a dog that can't deal with loud noises anyways, he'd be useless for huntin. But what do I know.. I just practice law Samoan style. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Re:What remains to be done: keeping info free
by Sherry Mayo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hal Finney writes.. > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > > A. Methods to run secure websites on insecure servers. > > [...] > > A software solution which permits local decryption makes traffic analysis > > less useful, presents the opportunity to use front end and disposable www > > pages on domestic ISPs while imposing no liability on the ISP itself, and > > opens several more effective traffic analysis deterants. > I don't quite understand what is being proposed here. If the > information on the web site is encrypted, who is supposed to be able to > decrypt it? Just one person, or some select group of people? My If the objective is to keep information available then check out Ross Andersons "eternity service" proposal (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk:80/users/rja14/#Lib) which outlines a "highly distributed, resilient and anonymous file store. Once a document is published on it, the courts will simply not be able to find and delete all the copies" Sherry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMdyPeOFu4n6w1qeBAQF4igP/bhD22woqB8W2kglF6r6Z4rdUVDzGrXk4 N9Iav/KnUtAlmWb/yItHg9+uwAPRtomkTeOZye5UcmJzYI8WERyBYi5Y4OghA48a vo9C/Qo4znljc2J3+J1nWuuDp1khSVB/b+B1/r2zqN/Uv7YvwkF9cext/bf8XV/G uxPJz0DvSLE= =jiix -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-07-04 16:37:24 EDT, fair(a)clock.org (Erik E. Fair) writes: >You could just snarf up a week's worth of netnews... > > Erik > > > There are many out there. And I doubt the net would have anything like Antidisestablishmentarianism heheh I believe it was an 8 meg wordlist I got off the net. Just use the good ole search utils!!

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Mix for PC: Mixmaster Remailer FAQ
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Frequently Asked Questions about Mixmaster Remailers FAQ Verson 1.8 July 4 1996 by Lance Cottrell This document is a semi-technical discussion of Mixmaster remailers. I wrote this to answer questions often asked by new users of Mixmaster, and to explain why you would want to use Mixmaster remailers. ***Announcements*** 4 July 1996: Mixmaster for Dos and Windows is now available! I am pleased to announce the release of Mixmaster 2.0.3 It contains many bug fixes, and a much improved Makefile which makes compiling a snap! ***What is Mixmaster?*** Mixmaster is a new class of anonymous remailers. Inspired by the existing "cypherpunk" remailers and discussions on the Cypherpunk mailing list (cypherpunks(a)toad.com) Mixmaster is the next generation in the evolution of remailer technology. ***What is an anonymous remailer?*** Quoting from Andre Bacard's remailer FAQ: An anonymous remailer (also called an "anonymous server") is a free computer service that privatizes your e-mail. A remailer allows you to send electronic mail to a Usenet news group or to a person without the recipient knowing your name or your e-mail address. For a non-technical introduction to remailers (not including Mixmaster), I recommend Andre's FAQ. It is posted regularly to: alt.privacy alt.privacy.anon-server alt.anonymous or you can get it by sending mail to: To: abacard(a)well.com Subject: Help1 Message: [Ignored] There is also a version on the World Wide Web at <http://www.well.com/user/abacard/remail.html>. ***What do I need to use Mixmaster remailers?*** Unlike other remailers, you can't just make your own message and send it to the remailer. Mixmaster's security comes in part from using a special message format. The disadvantage of this is that you need a special program to make the message for you. Once you have that program (the client) remailing is as easy as running the program, and telling it which remailers you want to use. ***How do I get the Mixmaster client software?*** There are two sites for distribution. The first is at my site <http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html/>, or ftp to ftp.obscura.com and read /pub/remail/README.no-export</A>. The other is by anonymous ftp to jpunix.com. You will have to follow the instructions there to get Mixmaster. Because Mixmaster contains cryptography, it may not be exported from the U.S and Canada. The reason for the circuitous route to download Mixmaster is to show my good faith efforts to keep Mixmaster from being exported. I understand that Mixmaster may be available in Europe from ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl/pub/replay/pub/remailer ***How do I get the software to run a Mixmaster remailer?*** The remailer software is available from the same sites as the client. ***But I only see one Mixmaster distribution?*** The same program is used for both the client and the remailer. The only difference is in the installation. For the client you just compile it and you are ready to go. For the remailer, you need to set up mail forwarding and cron jobs. ***What kinds of computers does Mixmaster run on?*** Unfortunately, not PCs or Macs. But it is being ported to those right now. Mixmaster runs under UNIX. The only machine it is known not to work on is Dec Alpha. It has been tested on Linux, FreeBSD, SunOS 4.1.3, Solaris, and several others. It has been compiled and tested on Netcom. If you use it on a machine or service not on this list, please let me know so I can add it. ***How does Mixmaster work, and why should I use it?*** You should use Mixmaster if you want the highest level of anonymity available, or if your are tired of building remailer messages your self. A discussion of how Mixmaster provides this level of security is beyond the scope of this FAQ, but I put an essay on the subject on my home page. <http://www.obscura.com/~loki/remailer/remailer-essay.html> ***Does Mixmaster use PGP?*** No, Mixmaster uses the rsaref package from RSA. Mixmaster uses its own keys and key file formats. To add a key to a key ring, simply append the key to your key file using your favorite text editor. ***Can Mixmaster post to News?*** Yes, like older remailers some Mixmaster remailers can post to news. Also like older remailers, not all Mixmaster remailers can post to news. Request the remailer's help file to check if it supports posting. Do this by sending mail to the remailer with the subject line remailer-help ***When Was Mixmaster Released?*** Mixmaster was originally released on an experimental basis in late 1994. There were only ever two remailers running Mixmaster 1.0. Mixmaster 2.0 was released on May 3, 1995. There are now 18 publicly available Mixmaster remailers. ***What is the latest version of Mixmaster?*** Version 2.0.3 for Dos and Windows was released July 4 1996. Version 2.0.3 was released on Nov 27, 1995. This version uses a new Makefile, which makes compiling it a snap. Several bugs were also fixed, and some esoteric functions added. Version 2.0.2 was released on Sept 22, 1995. Mixmaster remailers can now accept messages containing multiple Mixmaster packets. Mixmaster can be told to choose a random set of remailers to chain your message through. It will now route multiple packet messages over independant chains. Several minor bugs were fixed. Version 2.0.1 was released on May 27, 1995. The only changes from 2.0 are some improvements in the documentation, and the inclusion of a more up to date list of remailers. ***What remailers run Mixmaster?*** The most recent list of remailers is available on my homepage, <http://www.obscura.com/Welcome.html#list-files> along with the remailer list and key file for Mixmaster. You can simply replace your current type2.list and pubring.mix files with these. They are also available from <http://www.jpunix.com>. My list is simply a mirror of the one on Jpunix, which is maintained (through much hard work) by John Perry. <P> Please send any questions you think should be here to: loki(a)obscura.com. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMdxm51Vkk3dax7hlAQGfwgP9FediBro7gdVMMjCffWToLyhr6HUagxSI qcHhQU4jL1EWdebMwR6wqUBWuxDgrAsrSRT4WhftfSxTtCHCiSk9yXqg7HlRVPkx VQ+7SCF5/gnTE3a/rvj+EbH2hjBdRZWLEOdOnv+Ej00rhCB4A9T2ASQjpcZZB1iT zT+cSIlW3go= =qKtd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Computer-Aided Revolution
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> I've thought of an application for a "revolutionary" program for peaceful >> protest, but one that requires that a substantial number (1000) of people >> have access to computer time synchronized to 1 second, ideally 0.1 second. >> How good would a time sync over the net typically be? Well, in Europe you could just buy a 40$ hardware (DCF-77 receiver) which syncs with the standardized broadcasted atomic clock. you could sync the stations every second with an accuracy of better than 10^-3 secs, like a GPS, only much cheaper. (although, you wouldn't know you geographic location ;-) ----------< fate favors the prepared mind >---------- Remo Pini Fon 1: +41 1 350 28 82 mailto:rp@rpini.com Fon 2: +41 1 465 31 90 http://www.rpini.com/remopini/ Fax: +41 1 350 28 84 --------< words are what reality is made of >--------

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:00 AM 7/5/96, AwakenToMe(a)aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 96-07-04 16:37:24 EDT, fair(a)clock.org (Erik E. Fair) >writes: > >>You could just snarf up a week's worth of netnews... >> >> Erik >There are many out there. And I doubt the net would have anything like >Antidisestablishmentarianism heheh >I believe it was an 8 meg wordlist I got off the net. Just use the good ole >search utils!! The standard "large data base" of modern American English words is the "Brown corpus." Search the Web for this and you'll get a few hundred hits, including some downloadable files. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:37 AM 7/5/96, vinnie moscaritolo wrote: >>There is no cure for the "revolutionary" terrorists .. >> If we do not even print their obit, there is no glory! > >Tim, you are asking for the liberal media to act responsibly.. what were >you thinking? I did not write that. However, I wouldn't think that "not printing their obit" is acting responsibly. As far as I'm concerned, I want the full news, or at least some reasonable approximation of it, not propaganda. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: ecash thoughts
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First, I'm not very convinced that probabalistic payments are needed. And I'm mostly convinced that most users of digital money will be skeptical too. A few comments: At 9:18 PM 7/4/96, Steve Reid wrote: >Suppose someone is surfing the web or whatever, and various sites are >charging, say, 0.1 cents per web page, via probabilistic payments. >Suppose there is a 1 in 10 chance that the person will pay 1 cent. > >The person wanders around the web, acting as though he's perfectly willing >to pay, and participating in the fair coin tosses. Except, he really has >no intention of paying. He will gain free access to 9 out of 10 sites, and >on the ones that he loses the 1/10 gamble, he just backs out of the deal >and doesn't pay anything. The end result is that instead of seeing all of >the web at 0.1 cents per page, he sees 90% of the web completely for >free. If everyone does this, the sites will go broke. I cannot imagine _any_ protocol for probabalistic payments which "allows" someone to back out of the deal once they've seen the outcome of the coin toss (or whatever). That just makes no sense. Exactly how the deal works to force completion is another matter (maybe escrow, maybe the symmetric payment scheme described here recently, etc.). >The obvious solution would be to require that the person pay the 1 cent, >then if he wins the 9/10 bet, he gets the 1 cent back. But that will just >move the problem from the user to the server- the site can welsh on the >bet and refuse to pay back the one cent. They will get ten times the >payment that they are supposed to get. Reputations matter, too, so sites or customers who renege will have their reps diminished, in the ways we talk about so often here. (Analogies in the physical world today: casinos who fail to pay off winnings, customers of casinos who fail to pay off their markers, etc.) I don't believe probabalistic payments have any special problems with renege rates. However, I also don't think this is a promising area. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by William Knowles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg, >Are there any publically available word lists which contain just about >every word in the English language? It's not absolutley necessary, >but I'd also like the list to include english names. I would try this site out, It is very complete and should fill the bill. ftp://sable.ox.ac.uk/pub/wordlists/ Good Luck! -William Knowles erehwon(a)c2.org Finger for public key --

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Re: ecash thoughts
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:18 PM 7/4/96 -0700, Steve Reid wrote: >The person wanders around the web, acting as though he's perfectly willing >to pay, and participating in the fair coin tosses. Except, he really has >no intention of paying. He will gain free access to 9 out of 10 sites, and >on the ones that he loses the 1/10 gamble, he just backs out of the deal >and doesn't pay anything. The end result is that instead of seeing all of >the web at 0.1 cents per page, he sees 90% of the web completely for >free. If everyone does this, the sites will go broke. > >It's the equivalent of welshing on a bet. > >The obvious solution would be to require that the person pay the 1 cent, >then if he wins the 9/10 bet, he gets the 1 cent back. But that will just >move the problem from the user to the server- the site can welsh on the >bet and refuse to pay back the one cent. They will get ten times the >payment that they are supposed to get. If you're a store and I want to buy something that costs, say, $4.50, and we want to eliminate the need for change (for whatever reason) then I would pay $4.00 up front and we'll flip the electronic coin for the rest. At that point, you already have $4 so I'd have no reason to welsh on the remaining 50 cents. It obviously doesn't work this way if the minimum coin is larger than the current purchase... Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Libertarian Anti-GAK Platform
by Joey Grasty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Y'all: Just got an e-mail from Jim Ray, who added the anti-GAK provision to the Libertarian Party Platform yesterday. So, yes, it WAS one of us. Good job, Jim! Regards, -- Joey Grasty jgrasty(a)gate.net [home -- encryption, privacy, RKBA and other hopeless causes] jgrasty(a)pts.mot.com [work -- designing pagers] "Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin." -- John Von Neumann PGP = A7 CC 31 E4 7E A3 36 13 93 F4 C9 06 89 51 F5 A7

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:12 AM 7/5/96 -0700, you wrote: :Greg, : :>Are there any publically available word lists which contain just about :>every word in the English language? : :I would try this site out. It is very complete and should fill the bill. : :ftp://sable.ox.ac.uk/pub/wordlists/ : :Good Luck! : : :-William Knowles : erehwon(a)c2.org : Finger for public key : I am not sure of your purposes, but I suggest you take a look at Arnold Reinhold's Diceware page. http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.page.html The list it contains certainly is not "every word in the English language," but the list he offers is large and well set up; I load mine from Wordpad. It is part of a randomness system he espouses. Alec

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RE: Net and Terrorism
by talon57＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >Again, the Sarin attack in Tokyo had nothing to do with former >U.S.S.R. CBW weapons. Chemical and biological agents are cheap to >make, especially in the quanties needed to kill only a few >thousand people, and in the non-battlefield delivery environment. Actually Tim, the Aum Supreme truth cult was using a Russian formula for it's production of sarin, and was spending vast amounts of time and money trying to obtain Russian NBC expertise. They supposedly had an estimated 30,000 followers in the former Soviet union. I recently finished an excellent book "The cult at the end of the world" about all this and highly recommend it to my fellow cypherpunks. Brian

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Re: Lack of PGP signatures
by geoff＠commtouch.co.il 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: bshantz(a)nwlink.com, markm(a)voicenet.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Jul 05 17:10:11 1996 On 7/3 Brad Shantz Wrote: > Once upon a time last year or the year before, Tim May posted why he > doesn't use PGP very often. And I have always stood by that same > sentiment. Yes, it is a good encryption product, but it is not > integrated seamlessly into other applications. Tim, feel free to > whack me if you think I'm speaking for you. If, as cypherpunks, we > want to spread the use of strong crypto, we need to have a better > interface than what currently exists on PGP 2.6.2. I strongly urge anyone who uses PGP on a regular basis to take a look at Pronto Secure. It is a fully featured Windows e-mail client with complete & seamless PGP integration in its native implementation. Security features include: Single click for encrypt sign or decrypt, on the fly authentication, key management, talks to the keyservers, intuitive & flexible certification / trust management, automated key exchange between Pronto Secure clients & more. The product is in final beta & this will probably be the last opportunity to get a free registered copy. We believe that we have a pretty secure e-mail client. However before releasing Pronto Secure to a less security aware public, we would like to submit the product for additional scrutiny by the members of this list. With this objective in mind, we have decided to extend our special offer to beta testers: Any tester providing us with feedback on the product will automatically be eligible for a free copy of the soon to be released Pronto Secure 1.0. For a detailed specification see http://www.commtouch.com/s-mail.html To check out what our existing beta testers have said about Pronto Secure: http://www.commtouch.com/testers.htm To apply for the beta send signed mail to secure(a)commtouch.com. Also please attach your PGP key. I take this opportunity to thank all members of the list who have up to now assisted in beta-testing the product. Your input has helped make Pronto Secure into what we believe is a truely usable secure e-mail client. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Klein, Pronto Secure Product Manager; www.commtouch.com My PGP public Key 1814AD45 can be obtained by sending a message to geoff(a)commtouch.co.il with "Get Key" as the subject. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMd0iTELv5OMYFK1FAQG8dQQAo2pgG+JIyHFLT/g6stvFnb+MAIpr8Ut7 43uPtRP6xSCztG1T48V/a4jIHzCYcXiYOrGdalJSRc+alpndFfehD+Ky+nzAsgKu WZPISfieWb0wQDUygi1DFkKTddzhjlStAdtwZ0J0E4fHHrZgc3NpzfoRvyVUvdtS cgmH6neWNjs= =yUlH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:43 PM 7/4/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Anyway, I should point out that Mormons (or Latter Day Saints, I guess) are >spreading quickly around the world...all WITHOUT using "conversion by the >sword," as some other well-known religions are wont to do. Perhaps you've read this before (or it's even been mentioned here before) but an excellent book exists that discusses some of the points you touch upon (suicide, martyrs, religion (meme) propagation). See Bloom, "The Lucifer Principle." _______________________ Regards, He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened. Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: What remains to be done.
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:58 PM 7/4/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: >Another need is for file/disk-encryption utilities. I'm not familiar >with what's out there for Macs, but for PCs there's SFS and ASPICRYP >for SCSI drives (with no source!) and SFS, SecureDrive and SecureDevice >for HD (or FD). The latter won't work on Win95. AFAIK, SFS and >SecureDrive aren't 100% friendly with Win95 either, though they'll work. I'll just add that Jetico puts out BCrypt, which works perfectly with Win95. Of course it costs, but one can try out the software only version, then upgrage to hardware encryption! _______________________ Regards, He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened. Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: Restrictions on crypto overseas
by um＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> What about other nations that have recently passed restrictions on the use > of crypto? Other than Russia, which are they? Is there a list anywhere? http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm

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Re: SAFE forum -- remarks of Herb Lin
by Herb Lin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You're entitled to any spin you wish (see your [...] below). But my original intent was to say the part about "and it is" in any event; unfortunately, the audience started snickering before I got to it. In the future, I will say "Crime prevention ought to be, and is, a part of the FBI's mission", thereby pre-empting premature snickering by an audience pre-disposed to be unfriendly or derisive to law enforcement. Begin personal comment from herb: The "overview and recommendations" document summarizing the report notes that "Input from [..] diverse sources demonstrated to the committee a considerable amount of confrontation and disconnect between interest groups (e.g., information technology vendors, businesses, law enforcement, private individuals, national security) that fail to understand or appreciate the validity of each other's policy needs and interests with respect to cryptography. . . . Public debate based on hyperbole is unproductive. All of the stakes described above -- privacy for individuals, protection of sensitive or proprietary information for businesses, ensuring the continuing reliability and integrity of nationally critical information systems and networks, law enforcement access to stored and communicated information for purposes of investigating and prosecuting crime, and national security access to information stored or communicated by foreign powers or other entities and organizations whose interests and intentions are relevant to the national security and the foreign policy interests of the United Statesare legitimate; informed public discussion of the issues must begin by acknowledging the legitimacy both of information security for law-abiding individuals and businesses and of information gathering for law enforcement and national security purposes." My experience with the FBI and other law enforcement officials is that they are honorable people trying to do a very hard job. You may disagree with them on policy grounds -- indeed, the NRC report does disagree with the Administration in certain important ways -- but in my personal opinion, law enforcement deserves credit rather than censure for trying to anticipate a future problem, You may believe the proposed solution to be inappropriate, but I'd ask those of you who follow the debate to engage it on substantive rather than ad hominem grounds, Many of you in the cypherpunk community have done so, and I applaud such efforts. [End personal comment] herb == On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Herb Lin wrote: > Folks -- I object to the characterization of my remarks about crime prevention > being made with sarcasm. The complete remark was "Crime prevention ought > to be part of the FBI's mission, ... and it is -- ask them, and they acknowledge > that." OK, sorry, my reading. I'd certainly hate to jeopardize any professional relationships by implying that you'd been poking fun at them on purpose. There's already far too much distrust to go around. As I recall, the sequence went "Crime prevention ought to be part of the FBI's mission [audience snickers, Herb realizes what he just said and smiles]... and it is -- ask them, and they acknowledge that." The best standup comics are the genuine straight men, I guess. To avoid any trouble, I'll be using that line *without* specific attribution from now on. -rich

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Re: Lack of PGP signatures
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>It is not possible to clear-sign binaries with PGP. The point of clear- >signing >is to have signed text that is readable to people who don't have the >software >necessary to process the text. It would make sense to clearsign a file that >is base64'ed or uuencoded, which wouldn't alter the contents of the file. I >can't see how such an option would be harmful, except that it might lose >some >characters that are important to the context of the message. > Mark, Of course you can use pgp to sign binaries. How else did the pgp binary itself get signed? You can either sign it in a separate file, or in the same file. PGP sorts it out for you. What do you use it for? Same reasons you sign text. "I signed this file" means that you vouch for it in some undefined way (maybe I wrote and compiled it, or somesuch). Clay *************************************************************************** Clay Olbon II * Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer * PGP262 public key on web page Dynetics, Inc. * http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html ***************************************************************** TANSTAAFL

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Re: The Net and Terrorism
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:33 PM 7/3/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >My article made my points, so I won't rewrite it here. You are of course >not required to agree. You are free to live in crowded cites--near "soft >targets." You are welcome to lobby for world peace and for economic changes >to lessen terrorism. > >(I think this is mostly hopeless. No matter how "nice" conditions get, for >game-theoretic reasons there will be some groups seeking changes.) I am not sure who is right in this debate. I know that the "why can't we all just get along?" crowd is asking a stupid question. There are lots of reasons people can't get along and there have been enough "top-down" imposed social changes this century to suggest that "changing society" won't preserve the peace. On the other hand, I'm not sure that Tim's pessimism is warranted. This argument that cities will become completely unlivable and the only way to survive is to move out into less populated areas has been going on in the libertarian, survivalist, and right-wing-nut communities since the 1960s. The magazines Vonulife and Libertarian Connection used to talk a lot about the relative merits of Nomadism or Troglodytism, suitcase nukes, and such. Those who took the advice and moved into caves in 1969 have sure had an uncomfortable 30 years. Mel Tappan (author of Survival Guns) may have died from a heart attack which he could have survived had he not moved into the boonies. I note as well that Tim is not all that far away from civilization and its discontents. North Dakota or Labrador would be better choices if separation were really desired. Those of us in the Techno-Libertarian Panglossian Community argue that it is at least possible that the spread of markets will serve to bend the world's population to bourgeois values before nanotech gives everyone the power to destroy the world. Note that markets (like networks) can expand faster than outside observers can believe once a critical mass of participants is achieved. We see that happening all around the world in the case of both markets and networks. Even hard cases like Africa and the Middle East will find themselves swept up in a short time (by historical standards). It's hard to get people who are making lots of dough to strap dynamite to their bodies and go blow up a bus. Then Larry said: >>because it is a fact of life, is erroneous in my view. it is a common >>libertarian argument that goes, "criminality is everywhere, so why try >>to stop it?" a rather juvenile ideology. In all my years of reading and listening to libertarian agitprop, I've never heard this argument. And back to Tim: >(And my point about moving out of cities referred to what *I* am doing; >others are of course free to mingle in crowded markets, hoping that the >bombs won't come that day. Others are free to send their children to day >care centers located in likely targets for ZOG's enemies to bomb, and so >on.) Kids sent to day care centers operated by the federal government or schools operated by local governments are going to be in a bad way in any case whether or not they are blown up or shot (as in Stockton and Scotland). I *love* the Volvo ads which feature mom driving her kids to school in a Volvo with all of its safety features and then turing the kids over to the government for indoctrination. Much better she should drive them to private schools in a Chevy Corvair. They'll live longer (certainly in the spiritual sense of "live"). DCF

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I confess [Was: Who was that Masked Cypherpunk?]
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> wrote: >OK, fess up. Who was it who amended the anti-key-escrow language of the >Libertarian Party Platform live on CSPAN? Specific reference to >cypherpunks. 'Twas me, the guardian of the *original* definition of the fine old term "escrow" against the slick denizens of Newspeak. I have found this Libertarian convention to be a super-fun experience, and I will be demonstrating PGP, Private Idaho, and lots of other fun stuff on Saturday at 3PM. All are invited to attend. Watch for "Pennies for Perot" this afternoon! ;) JMR -- Dade Chairman and Florida Delegate. Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "It is long past time to end the laughable presumption that voters who can easily cope with the choices offered at Burger King are somehow 'confused' by more than two choices at the voting booth." -- me [From my Miami Herald article.] "Truth is stranger than fiction, especially when 'truth' is being defined by the O.J. Simpson Defense Team." -- Dave Barry 6/16/96 ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray Coming soon, "Pennies For Perot" page! CYA with http://www.anonymizer.com ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMd1Ii21lp8bpvW01AQEBWAQAoWqyLNe921Dx9HXbMFVoW2ReNGp0Qo6r mZd3FvNcJDw4bOeI434sekDwAEg9G2SiCCnBMBFrilZnKscMZpZp0XdNV6+b52FN MtyYW9yYQSRRgixjf3+j6O6jecPynztdugnnWY7Y8jWcb3ukipYYt4cQAVL13sX4 Aknxd4DXtzc= =lvW8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:29 AM 7/5/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 2:37 AM 7/5/96, vinnie moscaritolo wrote: > >>>There is no cure for the "revolutionary" terrorists .. >>> If we do not even print their obit, there is no glory! >> >>Tim, you are asking for the liberal media to act responsibly.. what were >>you thinking? > >I did not write that. > >However, I wouldn't think that "not printing their obit" is acting >responsibly. As far as I'm concerned, I want the full news, or at least >some reasonable approximation of it, not propaganda. >--Tim May Well, whoever wrote those two lines above, he hit upon something I've long believed: The ability to force other people to (in effect) ignore dissent up to and including "terrorism" is extraordinarily valuable. Remember the old philosophical question, "If a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there to hear, does it make a sound?" Scientifically, the answer's obvious. But _politically_ it isn't so obvious: If an act of "terrorism" occurs and the government can cover it up (or merely cover up the terroristic cause), the government is probably actually better off (considering _only_ the government's own interests) ignoring it and not exposing an embarrassing vulnerability, or possibly an embarrassing guilt, which induced the terrorist to attack. The government would probably have much preferred, for example, for 160+ people to be killed in an airliner that just happened to disappear off the radar screen and fall into the ocean, than the bombing in Oklahoma City, because the latter incident puts a powerful onus on the government to "do something" while an unexplained event (or one where the cause is covered up) has no such imperative. And I'm not talking primarily of retribution or punishment, either: Today, the government's under some pressure to simply stop doing things that would be expected to lead to retribution, like Waco and Ruby Ridge, and the government's misbehavior is highlighted by incidents such as the OKC bombing. In addition, a potential "terrorist" is less likely to try something if the government is likely to be able to cover it up. Ironically, this probably tends to induce such people to do things (like huge bombings) which _can't_ be covered up, rather than smaller, more individualized strikes. That makes the non-governmental public less safe, which is a serious conflict of interest between the government and the citizenry. I consider it axiomatic that whoever bombed the OKC building, he would have preferred killing one to two dozen people most responsible for Waco or Ruby Ridge than those who actually died. The public has every reason to prefer this alterative as well. The only people who can be expected to disapprove are government employees, who don't want to be held responsible (legally or "illegally") for what they did. If anything, I think the public would be far better off if there was a mechanism to allow even these "terrorists" to speak directly to the public, without censorship by the governments or heightened risk of capture. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: The Net and Terrorism
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:37 PM 7/5/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >On the other hand, I'm not sure that Tim's pessimism is warranted. This >argument that cities will become completely unlivable and the only way to >survive is to move out into less populated areas has been going on in the >libertarian, survivalist, and right-wing-nut communities since the 1960s. >The magazines Vonulife and Libertarian Connection used to talk a lot about >the relative merits of Nomadism or Troglodytism, suitcase nukes, and such. > >Those who took the advice and moved into caves in 1969 have sure had an >uncomfortable 30 years. Mel Tappan (author of Survival Guns) may have died >from a heart attack which he could have survived had he not moved into the >boonies. I note as well that Tim is not all that far away from civilization >and its discontents. North Dakota or Labrador would be better choices if >separation were really desired. Duncan, I said no such thing. Puh-leeeese. :-} What I _said_ was that _my_ response to increasing crime, the growing threat of serious terrorist actions, and the generally ratcage-like nature of large urban areas has been to move away from such urban centers. (Not that towns like Santa Cruz are crime-free. But they are not prime targets, when more tempting, fatter, softer targets are so nearby.) I've never said cities are "completely unlivable," just that, for me, better options exist. And in the vein of Harry Browne's "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World," I think a better response to terrorist actions is not to crack down further on civil liberties, but to decentralize. Personally, if not nationally. A variant which might be called "How I Found Security in an Insecure World." >And back to Tim: > >>(And my point about moving out of cities referred to what *I* am doing; >>others are of course free to mingle in crowded markets, hoping that the >>bombs won't come that day. Others are free to send their children to day >>care centers located in likely targets for ZOG's enemies to bomb, and so >>on.) Well, there it is. You quote my clarification to Detweiler's mischaracterizations. I'm not saying that cities are unlivable for all, just that concentratios draw attackers of various sorts, and I expect such attacks to increase in the future. And small cities are not unlivable, either. Last night, for example, I celebrated the Fourth at a free Beach Boardwalk concert with the Drifters. Fine music, resonating even in the Rap Generation's skulls, judging by the wild reaction from tens of thousands of folks crowded on the beach... (Now _that_ was a "soft target," in which a lobbed grenade could've taken out 20 or 40 people....Lots of such soft targets, and little that even a police state can do to stop it. Personal avoidance, by whatever measures one deems important, are the best bet.) If there's any meta-point I'm making is that people are best served by making their own security arrangements, be it home protection, financial security, health security, or the security from rioters, criminals, and terrorists being talked about here. Turning over increased powers to a government to do these things is a recipe for failure, at very high costs (economic and civil liberties costs). --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Lack of PGP signatures
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark M. <markm(a)voicenet.com> wrote: >I didn't say that binaries couldn't be signed. I said they couldn't be >*clear*-signed. There is a difference between clearsigning and creating a >signature certificate that is either concatenated with the data or written >to a separate file. If somebody who doesn't have PGP gets a file that is >signed by PGP, the file is completely useless to that person. > My mistake. I guess I still don't understand your point however. Of what use is a signature on a file to someone who cannot check its validity? It seems to me that a separate signature file for a binary would serve the same purpose ("gee, it LOOKS like somebody signed it"). Clay *************************************************************************** Clay Olbon II * Clay.Olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer * PGP262 public key on web page Dynetics, Inc. * http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html ***************************************************************** TANSTAAFL

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Re: Moviepunks [NOISE]
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Didn't see either of those flicks, but saw "The Cable Guy" a week ago. Actually has more 'net relevance, even though no one there uses the 'net. If you imagine the utopian 'everything delivered by cable' (phone, TV, 'net, video games, shopping, etc.) and mix with the power a psychotic and corrupt cable installer has, the plot has potential. (It's actualisation was something else, though.) The movie is apparently such a flop that it turned out the group of friends I was with were the only people who wanted to see it that day, so we had the theatre all to ourselves. A rare opportunity indeed... I only with the movie was worse than it actually was so we could have made it into a kind of MST3K thing... but it actually held our interest. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Shrink-Wrap Lic. uphelo by courts. From Edupage, 4 July 1996
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:27:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Edupage Editors <educom(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu> Subject: Edupage, 4 July 1996 ***************************************************************** Edupage, 4 July 1996. Edupage, a summary of news items on information technology, is provided three times each week as a service by Educom, a Washington, D.C.-based consortium of leading colleges and universities seeking to transform education through the use of information technology. ***************************************************************** [..] "SHRINK-WRAP" LICENSES OKAYED BY COURT The validity of the "shrink-wrap" licenses that many software publishers rely on for copyright protection was bolstered by a recent appellate court ruling in Chicago. Last month, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower court's finding that shrink-wrap agreements were unenforceable. Plaintiffs in the case, ProCD vs. Zeidenberg et al., charged the defendants with distributing the software program via the Internet. The defendants had argued that they couldn't be held to the license terms because they'd had no chance to negotiate or object to parts of the agreement. They also said the license agreement should be printed on the outside of the box, where it could be read before purchasing. The latest ruling found this suggestion to be an onerous burden, but did say the box must have a notice saying there's a licensing agreement inside, and that buyers should be able to return the software if they don't agree to the license once they read it. (Investor's Business Daily 3 Jul 96 A5)

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Re: rsync and md4
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:05 AM 7/1/96 -0400, David F. Ogren wrote: > I stand by my statements. When you are deep in a hole, it is time to quit digging. > The problems that you bring up have to do with situations > where an active attacker develops a slightly different > pair of documents with the same hash. > > Although this is highly undesirable characteristic for a > hash function, [...] No kidding. Current state of the art is that MD4 is broken for signing documents prepared by other people, and MD5 may be broken soon, but MD4 is not broken as proof of authorship. So if everyone was using MD4 for PGP signing, which they are not, it would still not be a problem for most people. But it would be a problem for authors of software, who should know that a security bug that sinks only *some* people is still a security bug. Therefore no author of software should employ MD5 or MD4 in new software, but existing users of software that employs MD5 and MD4 should not panic. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: I confess [Was: Who was that Masked Cypherpunk?]
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:56 PM 7/5/96 -0400, Jim Ray wrote: >'Twas me, the guardian of the *original* definition of the fine old >term "escrow" against the slick denizens of Newspeak. I have found >this Libertarian convention to be a super-fun experience, and I will >be demonstrating PGP, Private Idaho, and lots of other fun stuff on >Saturday at 3PM. All are invited to attend. Since no one has mentioned exactly what happened at the LP Convention, I will relate it from memory and JR can correct me. They were going to vote on adopting a platform plank that upheld the right of everybody to use any crypto they wanted and export it an everything and also opposing the proposal for a requirement that people use a key escrow system set up by the government. JR offered an amendment which changed the language to refer to "so-called Key Escrow (actually government access to keys GAK)" and he also explained that "escrow" is where you place something with a trusted third party and the government is neither trusted nor a third party. He mentioned cypherpunks live on CSPAN. Maybe when JR finished the Con he can post the original proposed language of the LPs plank and the final language as amended. DCF

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Re: Net and Terrorism
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: CyberEyes <cyberia(a)cam.org> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> CyberEyes <cyberia(a)cam.org> pontificated at 07/05/96 12:29pm -0400 = On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, attila wrote: = = > "denied zones" (we were never there) is no longer in vogue. however, we = > will probably see that again in parts of the world as many cultures do = > not have the basic respect for life we do. = = What is your last comment supposed to mean exactly? Just because = some Islamic militants decide to kill a few people in a terrorist attack = does not mean that the entire believer population of Islam does not have = respect for life. Just who is "we"? Americans? Europeans? All = industrialized nations? Every country except those Third World ones? Uh... = I don't see your point very clearly here... The only culture I can think = of that might now have respect for life are cannibals, and they DO have = respect for life in a way, they don't kill each other (I don't think), and = they do it because it's their lifestyle, but they don't perform = cannibalistic acts out of malice. Correct me here if I'm wrong. = let me phrase it another way: there are circumstances where the lives of 'n' innocent people are of less consequence than the enemy --in other words, try to keep collateral damage to a minimum, but get the target before he executes more harm (this applies to hostage situations, as well) in general, this does not mean wipe out an entire 100 story building to find a single sniper, but sometimes a commander is faced with the choice: send a team in with a 10% chance of accomplishing the mission (i.e. the team is killed or the target escapes) or waste the village. until you have experience the death of men in combat, you will never understand this principle. I certainly did not, and even as a graduate of Harvard and an active member of the LDS Church, I found it only takes once to _clearly_ understand that it is 'to kill or be killed.' don't sit in your ivory tower and pontificate until you walk the mile in my shoes. I also had the responsibility for as many as 1600 additional 'black shirts' in a fire zone --think about it. oh, sure, I (or anyone else) will never convince you --but maybe you will think about it. war is hell, son; and war zones are somewhere beyond. if you go, just pray that you come back understanding that and not with scrambled eggs for brains. -attila -- "Don't hunt wild game, hunt lawyers! They provide better sport, suffer from severe overpopulation; and, they taste just like chicken!!

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Re: I confess [Was: Who was that Masked Cypherpunk?]
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:25 PM 7/5/96, Duncan Frissell wrote: >Since no one has mentioned exactly what happened at the LP Convention, I >will relate it from memory and JR can correct me. > >They were going to vote on adopting a platform plank that upheld the right >of everybody to use any crypto they wanted and export it an everything and >also opposing the proposal for a requirement that people use a key escrow >system set up by the government. I'm now watching the LP convention on C-SPAN, and taping it for a friend (who may have a book contract to do a book related to something along these lines). The one LP event I ever attended was the California LP annual convention, some years ago, and found it crushingly boring. This looks a bit more exciting. I suspect the LP will continue to get 3-4% of the vote, maybe a tad more this year due to widespread dissatisfaction with Dinton and Clole and with the obvious charisma of Harry Browne. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Noise: Re: Those Evil Republicans
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C'punks, At 04:05 PM 7/5/96 -0400, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >A parasite is omething that lives off a host to its >detriment. It is easy for a small island nation to be >parasitic off larger ones...In short someone, somewhere >has to do some work. Maybe I missed something here, but only small nations that are on the dole (i.e., foreign aid) can be said to be parasitic, and even they may be giving something in return (e.g., land concessions for military bases). The service industries in these little countries--banking tourism, etc.--are free traders giving value for value. This is not parasitism by any stretch of the imagination. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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RE: The Net and Terrorism
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Timothy C. May If there's any meta-point I'm making is that people are best served by making their own security arrangements, be it home protection, financial security, health security, or the security from rioters, criminals, and terrorists being talked about here. Turning over increased powers to a government to do these things is a recipe for failure, at very high costs (economic and civil liberties costs). ...................................................................... This is what I also understood Tim's point to be. As long as transforming the whole world into a "kinder, gentler", safer, mix of countries, economies, politics, races, religions, recipes for living, etc., is but a remote possibility in a far-off future galaxy, and knowing that governments are typically unprepared to deal with the dangerous states of mind incited by their very own policies, then (as always) it is wise and adviseable that a person take up some responsibility for preparing themselves, mentally and otherwise, for dealing with threats of terrorism, the kind of which we are all aware of by now. This is not fatalism; it is facing the facts. .. Blanc

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New Member Registration
by coryt＠rain.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Requested Account Name: whitney Requested Password: elbows THIS MEMBER HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE UPDATE LIST

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Announce: Ecash(tm) Software Developer's Kit Beta 2 release
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Ecash(tm) Software Developer's Kit is available now for download from "http://www.digicash.com/api". The major improvement it that it now _accepts_ payments as well as makes them. Accounts at the "Beta Research Bucks" Bank (dc.digicash.com:9666) are available upon request. Here's the README: - ----- begin included README ----- Announce! This is the second beta release of the Ecash(tm) Software Developer's Kit. It includes: * the beta 2 release of ecashlib * a simple test client with source code for reference * a simple TCP/IP library for use with the test client Changes since the last release: * Importantly: The EC_pocket_begin_accept_payment() function works. * Unimportantly: Some internals got upgraded. EC_main_get_ver_string() implemented. Some parameters moved from EC_pocket_new() to EC_pocket_begin_open_account(), which is their natural habitat. A small bug or two was squelched. How to download: Option 1: Menu Visit the directory structure at "http://www.digicash.com/api/distrib" and take whatever you like. Option 2: MRE For Windows (Win32 DLL): "http://www.digicash.com/api/ecashlib.zip" For FreeBSD (static lib): "http://www.digicash.com/api/ecashlib-freebsd.tar.gz" For Linux (shared ELF lib): "http://www.digicash.com/api/ecashlib-linux.tar.gz" For others: e-mail us What do I do next? Visit: "http://www.digicash.com/api" for the latest release. Subscribe to: "ecash-dev(a)digicash.com" for news and views. Send e-mail to: "bryce(a)digicash.com" for developer support. Withdraw from: the BRB Bank dc.digicash.com:9666. You'll have to send us e-mail explaining why we should allocate any of our precious Beta Research Bucks to you, and what you want your account name(s) to be. Create: innovative net applications using Ecash(tm) -- the only secure, privacy-protecting, token-based digital payment system! - ----- end included README ----- Bryce Ahoy! PGP sig ahead! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMd2iNkjbHy8sKZitAQEGbgMAkDRKou6yt5ESqtAvJUsgDpf5xGBw0S8A zTPnC4mwVIFbyo0P8rGaiR434OkmqwkZYtkcg3Bt+6QU5b3lVx7qD0JFNp31PGyn Yn8F7dLmTr8yJhU1aCHHkZjPvwt1IcM5 =iTG3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Shrink-Wrap Lic. uphelo by courts. From Edupage, 4 July 1996
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Deranged Mutant wrote: > >The latest > ruling found this suggestion to be an onerous burden, but did say the box > must have a notice saying there's a licensing agreement inside, and that > buyers should be able to return the software if they don't agree to the > license once they read it. (Investor's Business Daily 3 Jul 96 A5) Perhaps Prof Froomkin could provide an opinion. It sounds to me however as if the defendants were simply ripping off the copyright of the plaintif and attempting to get arround it by claiming to have "bought" rights to resell along with the software by wrangling over the shrink wrap agreement. Or were the defendants reselling the software unopened to foreign customers via the Internet? Seems to me that that might well be open to further challenge. If a "contract" clause is expressed in a manner that means that it would not be encountered by a party which it attempts to bind there might be argument as to whether acceptance was possible. I suspect that the claims the plaintifs were making lay very definitely within the range of what people in the trade would usually expect to be the licensing terms for software purchased off the shelf. Just as there is an expectation when purchasing a book that one has purchased an instance and not the rights to the copyright. Consider the analogy with purchasing a book that is wrapped in shrink wrap film and that consequently one was unable to read the "all rights reserved" legend. The question that I am interested in is whether someone could claim that a shrink wrap license can bind a user to terms that are less widely expected in the industry. For example clauses which prohibit reverse engineering, transfer to other users etc. Might be interesting to know the precise rulling made and its terms. Phill

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E-cash & G10 in the news
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's interesting but actually unsurprising that they're looking at the cash cards before they are the Internet money exchange stuff. They haven't spotted exactly how much of a difference the latter can make - the former will act about like cash at "worst" from their viewpoint. -Allen > Reuters New Media > _ Friday July 5 12:27 PM EDT _ >G10 mulls effect of E-cash on policy and fraud > ZURICH - The threat of fraud, money laundering and tax evasion from > new electronic payment systems will be high on the agenda of Monday's > monthly meeting of Group of 10 (G10) central bankers at the Bank for > International Settlements (BIS). > The central bank governors will be briefed on two reports that examine > the implication of emerging forms of payment -- electronic purses, > e-cash, cybercash -- on monetary policy and whether it will open the > way to widespread fraud. > With big banks already waging a fierce battle to set a new global > standard for electronic cash, central bankers want to stay on top of a > technology that is not only likely to destabilize monetary aggregates, > but also holds out the promise a cashless society and threatens the > monopoly of central banks to issue notes and coins. > William McDonough, president of the New York Federal Reserve and > chairman of the G10 Committee on Payment and Settlement Systems, will > brief his colleagues on electronic money and fraud, money laundering, > counterfeiting, tax and legal issues. > The other report, to be presented by Charles Freedman, Bank of Canada > deputy governor, explores the issue of electronic money and monetary > policy. > Whether G10 governors take action or merely note the reports and let > them fade into the BIS archives is uncertain. An initial decision will > probably be taken at the meeting. > The two reports will focus mainly on the implications of prepaid cards > rather than so-called network money, cybercash or digital cash as the > latter is less developed. [...] > The concept of electronic money covers a wide range of new payment > methods ranging from multi-purpose, rechargeable prepaid cards, such > as Mondex, to forms of digital cash or cybermoney that enable shoppers > to pay for goods over the Internet. [...] > Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved

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C2's Anonymizer in Reuters
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not the most friendly of articles... but still pretty good. As usual, edited to stay within fair use. -Allen > Reuters New Media > _ Friday July 5 12:28 PM EDT _ >Web Surfing Incognito > HOLLYWOOD - Ever felt like browsing without leaving those footprints > that site designers, your school and your employer are increasingly > inclined to harvest? > A service being offered at http://www.anonymizer.com purports to give > Web surfers the freedom to travel at will without leaving tell-tale > signs that they've been where they've been. [...] > The visited site's layout and design can be altered, so you are > probably not seeing it in all its glory -- and it is displayed within > a field with hot buttons to take you back to the anonymizer site, a > FAQ or to make a bug report (like, for example, you've reached a site > which isn't preceded by the anonymizer URL). > Privacy is one of those issues veteran Netizens take very seriously -- > it used to be called "anonymous" FTP after all. But many > sites now depend on demographics passively collected, rather than just > the number of hits, to attract advertisers. > Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by Erle Greer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Word-List Builder (this is not an ad) I have a small(5k) program(WordList.EXE) that will extract <words> from any file and append the new words to a textfile(MainList.TXT). It is in early beta, but does the job nicely. I simply drag-n-drop multiple files onto the icon and let it do its dirty work. It prints new words to the screen and echos "." when it encounters old words again. It will, of course, accept parameters from DOS. This is totally free to anyone who wants it. Just email and I will send the latest version. Suggestions are certainly considered. Imagine building a word-list just from your /Netscape/Cache subdirectory! Future versions will include: Larger multiple file handling, *.* in same directory support, better binary file support, and list sorting.

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Re: Net and Terrorism
by vinnie moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Absent the fearmongering, the Viperweenies would >have turned to something else antisocial, buut they wouldn't have had a >"movement" to cling to. (Or maybe they would have... in another era, they >would have joined up with the Weathermen or the Symbionese Liberation Army.) last time I chacked there were at least two Leftist Militia's in the SantaCruz area. (now ain't that a scary thought... Liberals with guns). These people, both Right and Left don't get it. Blowing shit up and running around in the woods with cheap ChiCom rifles palying army does nothing for your cause. It just distances you from the mainstream morons. This makes it easier for the Feds to get away with kicking in your door, gassing your kids and shooting your wives. all in time for the 6PM news. I guess I dont understand this fascination with Militias and woods, Maybe these guys forgot how much fun it was to toast marshmellows in the woods, assuming you have the proper permit from the CA state parks. >Fortunately, and despite what, say, the SWC says in its fundraising >materials, the middle of the road among the militias isn't that kooky. The SWC arent kooks, they are con men >Bo Gritz and the leaders of the Michigan Militia were heard calling the >Freemen >a bunch of lying scum; I've observed more mainstream (if that's the word) >militiafolk distancing themselves from the Viperweenies both online and on >shortwave. Col Gritz actually does have some interesting stuff to say, He is really a very caring guy. But I do think he could use a (better) PR person. I like about 99% of what he has to say, I just filter out the stuff about UN and weather control. (the UN can't even control it's bowels much less the weather). But hey Bo is old enough to take care of himself. >Anyway, I don't think Vinnie was suggesting that the news be censored -- >just that the press doesn't have an obligation to print the obituary the >"martyrs" want. Absolutely. Something like "some asshole terrorist just blew up a building. No cause was sited, is enough" Don't quote thier organization, don;t quote thier cause. just make look like the kook they are. Oh and offering citizens some bounty money for thier hydes is a good idea. Or better yet, when you catch the fuckers, give em a fair trial, and a public hanging. Same goes for terrorists that shoot pregnant women if you know what I mean, but thats my opinion. As for a solution to governement problems, I have always and still belive in the ballot box first. And the only way to win votes is to appeal to the morons out there who do vote.. Maybe there is hope in the next generation of internet literate kids.. or maybe I am just a dreamer. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Re: hard drive encryption
by Cerridwyn Llewyellyn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thank you all for your comments... to those who suggested I remove and hide the drive, I was intending to do so, but still want a way to encrypt it's contents. Call me paranoid... For those who suggested software, thank you, I'll be d/ling and evaluating all of it, and appreciate the varied responses.. //cerridwyn//

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: tcmay(a)got.net Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> ** Reply to note from tcmay(a)got.net 07/04/96 03:22am -0700 = Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 03:22:42 -0700 = To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com = From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) = = Subject: Re: Net and Terrorism. = = At 12:14 AM 7/4/96, snow wrote: = = > Military troops can best be protected by 3 seperate methods: = = > 2) When they _are_ exposed, let them fight the fuck back. Rules of = > engagment are simple. When fired on, shoot to kill. If the shot = > comes from a building, take out the building. If from a crowd, = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = = "Colonel, the mission was accomplished. Apparently the sniper was firing = from the 34th floor, so we simply took out the building. There was minor = collateral damage, of course." = unfortunately, that was a modus operandi which I commanded --e.g. if one shoots, waste them all. fortunately, the U.S. SE Asia policies in "denied zones" (we were never there) is no longer in vogue. however, we will probably see that again in parts of the world as many cultures do not have the basic respect for life we do. the first time you witness a small child begging for chocolate exploded by a remote control pressed by her father, you understand --you do not necessarily like it, it's just survival. and faced with a decision of giving up 'n' "friendlies" for 1000n, or even more, to survive, I know where I stood, and still stand. War is hell --and terrorism is war, make no mistake about it. in "black" operations, priority 1 is survival, priority 2 is objective, and accountability is generally not an issue (unless you are out of bounds). = Such overreaction to terrorist events is often precisely what a terrorist = wants, as I've explained a couple of times. = yes, but it is the press, not the commander, who makes the decision to give the terrorist sympathy coverage. basicly: exclude, by whatever means, the press and eliminate the terrorists 15 minutes of fame. = = >> You are essentially making my point, that the biggest danger of the current = >> responses to terrorism is that nations will turn to national terrorism and = >> police state tactics. = > = > I missed that in your original post. = = Well, go back and look for it. The clear point of my post was that the U.S. = should not adopt police state measures so as to reduce terrorism. = no shit; in spades. if the U.S does adopt the police state tactics Bubba is espousing, the U.S. will be faced with _real_ terror, not staged incidents to justify the marial law, etc. if the populace is already disenchanted, absolute loss of freedom will stir to action some very unlikely participants and partners in "brotherhood." = = >> >A third option is quite simply to buy as much of it as possible. = >> No, wouldn't work. As with the "War on (Some) Drugs," all this does is = >> raise the price a bit, actually making it a more tempting market for many = >> to get into. = > = > If the US were to offer Russia $3 billion (or whatever) = >in a one time take it or leave it for their entire chemical weapon stock, = >it might get the soviet shit off the market. The nuclear stuff is a little = >easier to store (I think) and it would be a harder sell. = = As with "buying out" the coca crop in Peru, the poppy crop in Turkey, the = marijuana crop in the dozens of countries, etc., their motto is, obviously = enough, "we'll make more." = The U.S. spooks are still the single largest trafficers in drugs... = Again, the Sarin attack in Tokyo had nothing to do with former U.S.S.R. CBW = weapons. Chemical and biological agents are cheap to make, especially in = the quanties needed to kill only a few thousand people, and in the = non-battlefield delivery environment. = = > I agree tho' that it isn't possible to buy out the market. = = Then why do you float ideas such as buying out the Soviet arsenal if you = think it isn't possible? = U.S. cash has eliminated a lot of Soviet weapons, including, I believe some chemical. however, keep in mind: the obsolete, and expensive to maintain, hardware predominated. However, you will never be able to buy out the religious terrorists --they are on a "mission." The Western world faces far more threat from fundamentalist religious terrorists than it does from the Soviet Union, etc. There is no cure for the "revolutionary" terrorists --just death for their own brand of glory. If we do not even print their obit, there is no glory! = --Tim May = -- Fuck off, Uncle Sam. Cyberspace is where democracy lives!

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by Erle Greer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:09 AM 7/6/96 -0500, snow(a)smoke.suba.com wrote: >On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Erle Greer wrote: > >> Word-List Builder (this is not an ad) >> I have a small(5k) program(WordList.EXE) that will extract <words> from any >> file and append the new words to a textfile(MainList.TXT). It is in early >> beta, but does the job nicely. I simply drag-n-drop multiple files onto the >> icon and let it do its dirty work. It prints new words to the screen and >> echos "." when it encounters old words again. It will, of course, accept >> parameters from DOS. > > Is the source code available for porting to other platforms? Sure, I'm not a Unix guru, but if you can port Turbo Pascal, more power to you! I will send the source if someone specifically asks. >> This is totally free to anyone who wants it. Just email and I will send the >> latest version. Suggestions are certainly considered. > > Unixi, recursively scanning directories. Unix, you can do, but the recursive subdirs aren't a prob for me. A final dream would be to convert it to VB4, use MS's WWW custom control, and unleash it as a spider. >> Imagine building a word-list just from your /Netscape/Cache subdirectory! > > Imagine building a word list from /usr/spool/news/* > >Petro, Christopher C. >petro(a)suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> >snow(a)crash.suba.com

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Re: What remains to be done.
by Anthony Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi there Should try SECURE DESK-TOP as well (PC only), it can encrypt (DES and IDEA) any: - file - directory - groups of directories - Hard Disk - Floppy - Removable drive And it can add PEM capabilities to most e-mail clients and it's WIN95 and user friendly. Try it at: http://www.systems.it/secure There are NO export restrictions on it as well because it's Italian made. ciao Anthony ------------------------------------------- >At 12:58 PM 7/4/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: >>Another need is for file/disk-encryption utilities. I'm not familiar >>with what's out there for Macs, but for PCs there's SFS and ASPICRYP >>for SCSI drives (with no source!) and SFS, SecureDrive and SecureDevice >>for HD (or FD). The latter won't work on Win95. AFAIK, SFS and >>SecureDrive aren't 100% friendly with Win95 either, though they'll work. > > I'll just add that Jetico puts out BCrypt, which works perfectly >with Win95. Of course it costs, but one can try out the software only >version, then upgrage to hardware encryption! >_______________________ >Regards, He who knows others is wise. > He who knows himself is enlightened. >Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html >reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E >

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CCC Crypto Lock
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MicroPatent, 4 July 96 Systems and methods for protecting software from unlicensed copying and use (Assignee -- Convex Computer Corporation) Abstract: Disclosed systems and methods for protecting a software program from unauthorized use and copying through the removal at least one of a plurality of instructions comprising a software program, and encrypting the removed instruction utilizing an encryption algorithm to produce an encrypted instruction, the encryption algorithm responsive to a randomly generated key. Ex Claim Text: A processing system for protecting a software program from unauthorized use, said software program including one or more unencrypted instructions stored in memory associated with said software program, said processing system comprising: a processing unit operable to: remove at least one selected said unencrypted instruction from an executable area in said memory associated with executable portions of said program; encrypt said at least one selected unencrypted instruction removed from said software program utilizing an encryption algorithm to produce an encrypted instruction; store said encrypted instruction within a first non-executable data area in said memory associated with said software program; and insert at least one trappable instruction in place of said encrypted instruction within said executable area in memory allowing said software program to be linked with one or more other programs. Assignee: Convex Computer Corporation Patent Number: 5530752 Issue Date: 1996 06 25 Inventor(s): Rubin, Robert J. If you would like to purchase a copy of this patent, please call MicroPatent at 800-984-9800. Copyright 1996, MicroPatent

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Need PGP-awareness in common utilities
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- <flame="medium">  I just got a letter back from majordomo(a)thumper.vmeng.com because my easy-PGP script had clearsigned my outgoing message to it, and majordomo didn't know what to do with the clearsigned message. I really don't see why programs like majordomo, UseNet moderation-bots, and most noticeably the PGP key distribution program are PGP-unaware. Okay, fine. Having waited for FIVE YEARS or however long it has been, you who are responsible for such handy dandy programs may now convincingly argue that you might as well wait for another few months to get PGPlib. But I sincerely hope that once PGPlib arrives we don't wait another five years before using it. (There is another argument that people sometimes make-- that it is too complicated to ensure pubkey<->True Name. SO WHAT! Pubkey<->True Name mapping is an advanced feature that depends upon the existence of some kind of public key infrastructure. Many people, myself included, wouldn't even USE pubkey<->True Name mapping if we had it! Just implement some basic privacy/authentication functions (trivial, using PGP 2.6 under Unix) and MitCH be damned! If we had started with the simple stuff five years ago we might HAVE a complete, secure infrastructure by now.) As an example of this sad state of affairs, no less of a cryptographic enthusiast than Robert Hettinga runs a mailing list (several actually) which breaks every PGP clear-signature that it encounters. Really pitiful, that even our own mailing lists are incompatible with PGP. Regards, Bryce PGP sig follows: [If you see garbage beyond this line, it means you are an anachronistic troglodyte. If you see a "PGP sig okay!" it means you are hi- tech. If you see "PGP sig not okay!" it means some mail-handling software between me and you is written/maintained by anachronistic troglodytes. :-)] </flame> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMd5l40jbHy8sKZitAQHZZAL7BUlItvGLZaTfBgTORFATkPM141R0P6Ux mOkQY3IG0/Vmf9nJEOg8bubdaCuYmuVCJhAek6boyQsmd6VTxqxVChniSWN1Uhth Ony1VSmufCdeqFbCGBqcAM5rfF8KM49h =9obd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have a util that will create a word list starting from aaaaaaaaaaa on up to anythingggggggg basically you could do every combination. Let me know if ya want it.

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