December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

ARMCHAIR Commando List(Cypherpunks@cyberpass.net)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE REVOLUTION BECAUSE I DIDNT GET ENOUGH NOTICE OR ITS TOO INCONVENIENT OR THEY ARE USING LEFTIST PROTEST TECHNIQUES" EXPORTING PGP WITHIN MINUTES OF ITS RELEASE NOW THAT WOULD IMPRESS ME... (BEEN THERE DONE THAT!) NOW I am trying to shake the apathy from all of you.. Its so much easier to talk about revolution than participating or contributing... Talking about revolution does NOT make it happen magically.. I suspect the revolution will die given the above anon

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crypto boredom
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday 12/15/98 4:37 PM John Young Seeing http://jya.com/kea-errata.htm makes me feel good that I am not doing crypto work anymore. I talked with Kent Parsons this afternoon at Holman's computer. Parsons was the department manager who was going to make his claim-to- fame at Sandia on the Forth code we developed. "We aren't getting the recognition [for Forth] we deserve." was a Parsons quote. I told Parsons that the Forth code we developed is executing all over the world. Jane Ellson was one of Parson's secretaries when we did the Forth 8085 and 8051 development in the weapons components department. Ellson is now Sandia president Paul Robinsons secretary. I need to revise my NSA-funded and Sandia-approved Forth book for the 80c32 and windows. http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 I saw http://jya.com/intel120898.htm. NSA's Forth expert Donald Simard talked to me about putting Forth on a x86 PC as a stand-alone secure operating system. Putting a secure RELIABLE operating system on a Pentium-class processor will be a MAJOR task. Perhaps more than just building a rad hard version of the chip. Parsons also led the effort at Sandia to build the 8051 as a rad hard chip at Sandia to replace Sandia's rad hard 8085 chip SET. Forth works great for weapons programmers. We need to get this unfortunate matter settled so that we can ALL move on to more constructive projects. Later bill

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HAS The Revolution Died??
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE REVOLUTION BECAUSE I DIDNT GET ENOUGH NOTICE OR ITS TOO INCONVENIENT OR THEY ARE USING LEFTIST PROTEST TECHNIQUES" EXPORTING PGP WITHIN MINUTES OF ITS RELEASE NOW THAT WOULD IMPRESS ME... (BEEN THERE DONE THAT!) NOW I am trying to shake the apathy from all of you.. Its so much easier to talk about revolution than participating or contributing... Talking about revolution does NOT make it happen magically.. I suspect the revolution will die given the above anon

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DARPA's Active Network page (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:50:56 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: DARPA's Active Network page > I saw an article on this in InfoWorld. NAI/TIS and DARPA talking about > putting self-switching packets into the network. I don't see this as too > far off from packets purchasing their passage across the network with > micromoney of some kind. How does the packet know what is a good price or a bad price as it makes each hop? Whose processor is it using to run its program to evaluate the costs? Who pays for that processor cost on a node that isn't selected? Who has access to the audit trail? How does a reliable copy get back to the originator? How does it do this in an anonymous network? ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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NSA Electronic Sheriff
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From a new report: "Cybercrime, Cyberterrrorism, Cyberwarfare" Tomorrow's frontline commanders will be drawn from the ranks of computer wizards. The sandal culture is challenging the wingtips. The National Security Agency's (NSA) new electronic sheriff, responsible for protecting NSA's ground stations, is a 23-year-old GS-14. In the civilian sector, "techies" have moved into senior management positions. http://jya.com/cyber-trip.htm

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by sales＠equipmentresource.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Distributed Programming with DIPC (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-sparclinux-outgoing(a)vger.rutgers.edu Tue Dec 15 20:47:43 1998 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:09:40 -0600 (CST) From: Kamran Karimi <karimi(a)cs.uregina.ca> To: sparclinux(a)vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Distributed Programming with DIPC Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.981215170900.10107H-100000(a)MERCURY.CS.UREGINA.CA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;sparclinux(a)vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-sparclinux(a)vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo(a)vger.rutgers.edu To people interested in distributed programming and clustering under Linux, This is to introduce DIPC (Distributed Inter-Process Communication). DIPC is a software-only solution for very easy distributed programming under the Linux operating system. Here developers design their applications as a group of processes, each possibly running on a different Linux computer, and then use DIPC to _transparently_ exchange data between them. The main objective of the DIPC project is to make distributed programming as much like "normal" programming as possible. DIPC hides itself behind UNIX System V's IPC mechanisms, consisting of Semaphores, Messages, and Shared Memories, and makes them work over a network. This means that DIPC offers, among other things, Transparent Distributed Shared Memory (DSM) with strict consistency: Processes can read from and write to the shared memory with no need for any explicit synchronization! This makes DIPC very different from systems like PVM or MPI. The source code of a DIPC program is nearly identical to a normal UNIX program using System V IPC. Actually, a DIPC program can even run in a Linux computer with no DIPC support; no need for recompilation. System V IPC is widely available in UNIX variants, and is very well documented, meaning that developers may already know the programming interface, or they can learn it very easily, confident that the usefulness of the newly learned material is not tied to the availability of DIPC. This is in sharp contrast to most other distributed programming systems. Using a mainly "shared-memory" programming interface means that the same distributed application can also run on a multi-processor Linux machine at "full speed" DIPC modifies the Linux kerenl in order to offer its excellent degree of transparency. There are no needs for any link libraries, and it can be used from any programming language that allows access to the OS calls. The hardware can consist of a single Linux machine, or a cluster of computers connected to each other by a TCP/IP network. DIPC has been tested on inter-continental WANs and is a heterogeneous system, as it can run on Linux/i386 and Linux/m68k, with both versions being able to talk to each other. (volunteers for porting DIPC to other CPU families are welcome). People intersted in distributed systems can easily and safely try DIPC. After patching a standard Linux kernel, DIPC becomes a configuration option (make config), and can be left out at compile time if desired. When DIPC is compiled in, it can be turned off any time with no need for a reboot. For more more information about DIPC, visit http://wallybox.cei.net/dipc . You can download the package (which includes the sources and the documentation) from the web page, or from ftp://wallybox.cei.net/pub/dipc . A mailing list devoted to discussions about DIPC is addressed at linux-dipc(a)wallybox.cei.net . Feel free to send your comments and questions here. To view the previous posts to DIPC's mailing list target your browser at http://wallybox.cei.net/dipc/ml-archive . -Kamran Karimi - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe sparclinux" in the body of the message to majordomo(a)vger.rutgers.edu

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Re: First "Crypto Refugee"?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:04 AM -0800 12/15/98, tony(a)secapl.com wrote: >> the shakespeare analysis seems like a good idea to >> me. I am not aware of literate papers that try to >> analyze it with frequency analysis instead of >> just vague assertions by the authors. there is >> a huge set of literature that tries to link of >> the writings of shakespeare to someone else, but >> as far as I know not much of it is computer analysis. > > This was what brought William Freidman to Riverside, where he both >created monographs on cryptanalysis and met his wife. (described in detail >in Kahn.) And computerized textual analyses of Shakespeare was one of the most publicized applications of the computers in the 60s. I remember reading several stories about this then. And I recall an exhibit on the results of such computerized search, as of around 1968 or so, at the Folger Shakespeare Library in Washington, D.C. (a class outing). As when Detweiler or someone proposed this as a "neat thing for Cypherpunks to do" a couple of years ago, the idea was old before 98% of this list were born. Not saying it's not still an interesting research topic, just that it's a well-established field. And most of the low-hanging fruit has been picked. --Tim May Y2K -- LMGALMAO -- Loading my guns and laughing my ass off ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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DigiCash Update, part II
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As some of you may be aware of, I am involved with an effort to acquire DigiCash. Allow me therefore to suggest that now is not a good time to attempt to purchase a patent license directly from DigiCash. You would most likely be paying too much. DigiCash has for months now attempted to find a buyer for the company's assets. Due to the expectations on the value of the assets, and differences between this and the offers they've received, the board has turned down these offers, including the first offer by my group. Ultimately, the differences between some of the high expectations the board has, and the actual offers they are receiving will be worked out between higher offers and lower expectations. Until then, DigiCash operates on a post-bankruptcy filing bridge loan. This loan won't last forever. Ultimately, DigiCash will be sold. But nobody wants to wait forever. Not you, not me, not the DigiCash board. The faster DigiCash gets sold to our group, the faster the technology will become available to all interested parties under low cost (and in many cases free) licensing terms. Even if DigiCash should now be willing to sell licenses to generate cash flow or reorganize in some new plan and forestall the inevitable sales of assets a little bit longer, the current DigiCash is unlikely to make the licenses available for as low of a cost as our group will make them available after an acquisition of DigiCash. We are in a position to offer potentially significant cost minimization to any prospective licensee of DigiCash IP. With every additional party committing to our effort, we can reduce the cost per license. Scott of course would be amiss of his fiduciary duty would he not attempt to maximize the financial return to DigiCash. We have no such constraint. I have a lot of respect for Scott and he is trying to do what is best for the DigiCash shareholders and debtholders (As he should). We on the other hand are more focused on what is best for the technology, to ensure it is deployed widely and in all it's various potential uses. The more serious parties join our effort, the faster will we be able to make another bid and the faster the DigiCash board will review and hopefully approve our next offer. Ultimately, everybody will be happy. The creditors will be happy since they get their money, the current executive group at DigiCash will be happy to move on having successfully found a palatable deal, and the licensees will be happy, since they will be able to obtain the IP and options for support and technology development instead of being held in limbo with the present DigiCash situation. And of course the developer community will be happy, since the patents will be available to all, not just to the few to which DigiCash might license the patents to improve their unfortunate cash flow situation. This broad availability will allow the market to validate the technology. No single player, or even small group of players, can make eCash a success. Only an aggressive push by many large, small and medium sized players who are all deploying eCash and blinded private payment systems can. This is one of the many reasons our group has the support of several of the larger banks in the world, banking software/EDI vendors, credit card clearing houses, personal financial/cryptography software vendors, global media corporations, and other players that are required to make eCash and other DigiCash IP derived technologies ubiquitous. Feel free to contact DigiCash directly if you must. We certainly encourage people who are interested in exclusive ownership of the DigiCash IP, and are not interested in opening up the patents or technology to deal directly with them since this is contrary to our goal. But if you are interested in any one part, one use or application or even in all of the parts in a non-exclusive way please make sure to email me first as I believe it will benefit everyone for a lot less money. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> I will soon revoke my PGP key 0x375AD924 for administrative reasons.

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The Fallacy of Cracking Contests
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Fallacy of Cracking Contests Bruce Schneier You see them all the time: "Company X offers $1,000,000 to anyone who can break through their firewall/crack their algorithm/make a fraudulent transaction using their protocol/do whatever." These are cracking contests, and they're supposed to show how strong and secure the target of the contests are. The logic goes something like this: We offered a prize to break the target, and no one did. This means that the target is secure. It doesn't. Contests are a terrible way to demonstrate security. A product/system/protocol/algorithm that has survived a contest unbroken is not obviously more trustworthy than one that has not been the subject of a contest. The best products/systems/protocols/algorithms available today have not been the subjects of any contests, and probably never will be. Contests generally don't produce useful data. There are three basic reasons why this is so. 1. The contests are generally unfair. Cryptanalysis assumes that the attacker knows everything except the secret. He has access to the algorithms and protocols, the source code, everything. He knows the ciphertext and the plaintext. He may even know something about the key. And a cryptanalytic result can be anything. It can be a complete break: a result that breaks the security in a reasonable amount of time. It can be a theoretical break: a result that doesn't work "operationally," but still shows that the security isn't as good as advertised. It can be anything in between. Most cryptanalysis contests have arbitrary rules. They define what the attacker has to work with, and how a successful break looks. Jaws Technologies provided a ciphertext file and, without explaining how their algorithm worked, offered a prize to anyone who could recover the plaintext. This isn't how real cryptanalysis works; if no one wins the contest, it means nothing. Most contests don't disclose the algorithm. And since most cryptanalysts don't have the skills for reverse-engineering (I find it tedious and boring), they never bother analyzing the systems. This is why COMP128, CMEA, ORYX, the Firewire cipher, the DVD cipher, and the Netscape PRNG were all broken within months of their disclosure (despite the fact that some of them have been widely deployed for many years); once the algorithm is revealed, it's easy to see the flaw, but it might take years before someone bothers to reverse-engineer the algorithm and publish it. Contests don't help. (Of course, the above paragraph does not hold true for the military. There are countless examples successful reverse-engineering--VENONA, PURPLE--in the "real" world. But the academic world doesn't work that way, fortunately or unfortunately.) Unfair contests aren't new. Back in the mid-1980s, the authors of an encryption algorithm called FEAL issued a contest. They provided a ciphertext file, and offered a prize to the first person to recover the plaintext. The algorithm has been repeatedly broken by cryptographers, through differential and then linear cryptanalysis and by other statistical attacks. Everyone agrees that the algorithm was badly flawed. Still, no one won the contest. 2. The analysis is not controlled. Contests are random tests. Do ten people, each working 100 hours to win the contest, count as 1000 hours of analysis? Or did they all try the same things? Are they even competent analysts, or are they just random people who heard about the contest and wanted to try their luck? Just because no one wins a contest doesn't mean the target is secure...it just means that no one won. 3. Contest prizes are rarely good incentives. Cryptanalysis of an algorithm, protocol, or system can be a lot of work. People who are good at it are going to do the work for a variety of reasons--money, prestige, boredom--but trying to win a contest is rarely one of them. Contests are viewed in the community with skepticism: most companies that sponsor contests are not known, and people don't believe that they will judge the results fairly. And trying to win a contest is no sure thing: someone could beat you, leaving you nothing to show for your efforts. Cryptanalysts are much better off analyzing systems where they are being paid for their analysis work, or systems for which they can publish a paper explaining their results. Just look at the economics. Taken at a conservative $125 an hour for a competent cryptanalyst, a $10K prize pays for two weeks of work, not enough time to even dig through the code. A $100K prize might be worth a look, but reverse-engineering the product is boring and that's still not enough time to do a thorough job. A prize of $1M starts to become interesting, but most companies can't afford to offer that. And the cryptanalyst has no guarantee of getting paid: he may not find anything, he may get beaten to the attack and lose out to someone else, or the company might not even pay. Why should a cryptanalyst donate his time (and good name) to the company's publicity campaign? Cryptanalysis contests are generally nothing more than a publicity tool. Sponsoring a contest, even a fair one, is no guarantee that people will analyze the target. Surviving a contest is no guarantee that there are no flaws in the target. The true measure of trustworthiness is how much analysis has been done, not whether there was a contest. And analysis is a slow and painful process. People trust cryptographic algorithms (DES, RSA), protocols (Kerberos), and systems (PGP, IPSec) not because of contests, but because all have been subjected to years (decades, even) of peer review and analysis. And they have been analyzed not because of some elusive prize, but because they were either interesting or widely deployed. The analysis of the fifteen AES candidates is going to take several years. There isn't a prize in the world that's going to make the best cryptanalysts drop what they're doing and examine the offerings of Meganet Corporation or RPK Security Inc., two companies that recently offered cracking prizes. It's much more interesting to find flaws in Java, or Windows NT, or cellular telephone security. The above three reasons are generalizations. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between. The RSA challenges, both their factoring challenges and their symmetric brute-force challenges, are fair and good contests. These contests are successful not because the prize money is an incentive to factor numbers or build brute-force cracking machines, but because researchers are already interested in factoring and brute-force cracking. The contests simply provide a spotlight for what was already an interesting endeavor. The AES contest, although more a competition than a cryptanalysis contest, is also fair Our Twofish cryptanalysis contest offers a $10K prize for the best negative comments on Twofish that aren't written by the authors. There are no arbitrary definitions of what a winning analysis is. There is no ciphertext to break or keys to recover. We are simply rewarding the most successful cryptanalysis research result, whatever it may be and however successful it is (or is not). Again, the contest is fair because 1) the algorithm is completely specified, 2) there are no arbitrary definition of what winning means, and 3) the algorithm is public domain. Contests, if implemented correctly, can provide useful information and reward particular areas of research. But they are not useful metrics to judge security. I can offer $10K to the first person who successfully breaks into my home and steals a book off my shelf. If no one does so before the contest ends, that doesn't mean my home is secure. Maybe no one with any burgling ability heard about my contest. Maybe they were too busy doing other things. Maybe they weren't able to break into my home, but they figured out how to forge the real-estate title to put the property in their name. Maybe they did break into my home, but took a look around and decided to come back when there was something more valuable than a $10,000 prize at stake. The contest proved nothing. Gene Spafford wrote against hacking contests. http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/old-issues/issue9602 Matt Blaze has too, but I can't find a good URL. ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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Skipjack KEA Errata
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Lewis McCarthy some 20 transcription errors have been corrected in the Skipjack Key Exchange Algorithm test vectors, a summary of which is offered at: http://jya.com/kea-errata.htm Original transcriptions of the Skipjack spec have been updated: Matt Curtin's: http://www.interhack.net/pubs/skipjack-kea.tgz (Archive of it all) http://www.interhack.net/pubs/skipjack-kea.ps (Postscript) http://www.interhack.net/pubs/skipjack-kea.tex (LaTeX source) JYA's: http://jya.com/skipjack-spec.htm http://jya.com/skipjack-spec.zip (same, zipped)

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17 Dec '03

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RE: DoS considered harmful [WAS: RE: Anyone striking?]
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Trei, Peter [mailto:ptrei@securitydynamics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:23 AM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net; dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Cc: Trei, Peter > Subject: DoS considered harmful [WAS: RE: Anyone striking?] > > Someone using the name Carlos Gomes [GomesC(a)netsolve.net] > wrote: > > > [...] > > There were several ideas floating around: a) detach > > from the net and from work b) create a signed letter of > > disapproval published to appropriate orgs c) _short_ > > loosely organized burst of DoS against select online > > targets from widely distributed sources. > > > All valid forms of protests (when properly organized > > and executed) all with varying forms of impact and > > visibility. For the record, I think option c) could be > > a valid and effective form of active protest. It is a > > form which has not been used in support of the cpunks' > > agenda (or many agenda's for that matter) to date and > > one that merits a review. > > [...] > > > regards, > > C.G. > > A DoS (Denial of Service) action is a really, really, > really bad idea. > > It's both illegal and counterproductive. It's the sort > of thing I would expect to hear from an 'agent > provocateur' bent on discrediting critics of > government policy, by casting them as malicous hackers. > > We went through this once before. Back when I was > getting the DES challenges going, some one proposed > that the target should be a live bank transaction (I > think in Germany). I argued strenuously against such a > move, and in favor of a specifically created target > This goal was fullfilled when I got RSA to set up and > sponsor the Symmetric Key Challenges. [deletia] Hmm... I agree that Peter's representation of my suggestion would not be a good idea nor would it be productive-- especially in the long run. And his interpretation of my writing was correct given the current understanding of what a DoS is. So let me flesh out a bit what I think option c) above should have said. In my first mail to the list on the strike subject I offered a couple references outlining some possible forms of electronic civil disobedience (ECD). The analogy used in those texts is to a "sit in" or, as explained in other references not mentioned, the activity can be looked at as a large scale letter writing campaign like the ones organized by Amnesty International which are aimed at prison officials holding political dissidents or political prisoners. The idea is to maximize awareness (to the targets as well as mass media) of the protest while minimizing the likelyhood of severe litigation or other punitive action against those involved in the protest. It's basically an indismissible show of dissent in large numbers aimed directly at the source of the dissent. As commonly understood, a DoS (Denial of Service) attack would entail an undisclosed group of hackers and script kiddies attempting to knock out a server/site for as long as possible-- which usually requires that the group be destructive and remaining as anonymous and untrackable as possible. This was _not_ what I had in mind as option c). In an effective ECD campaign you would want to publicize what your agenda is including a listing of possible spokespersons/leaders for negotiation to both the target and the media. You would also want to control the extent of the Disruption of Service (instead of Denial of Service) to somewhere between more than barely being noticed to less than breaking any laws. Example: A public web page is setup with information on the next "sit in" or "log writing campaign" containing the agenda behind the protest, contact persons for more information, target site with explanation of choice, start time and stop time. Let's further that the cause is able to get a couple hundred or couple thousand supporters to, for example, repeatedly telnet to port 80 on the remote server during a specific 5 minute window and type in: GET I do not support your sites views on such and such see www.stop_this_now.org for details. Given the right level of logging on the server you'd quickly fill up the target's logs with a record of the number of people (or actually computers) that don't agree with the target's agenda. In Trei's last copied paragraph he mentioned setting up a dedicated target for the DES challenge. I think a similar scenario would also be an effective tool for ECD for testing support as well as being an alternate site since some target sites could be ominious enough to keep supporters at bay and a guinea pig site with full logging could be used to gather data to present to the media directly instead of to the media through a target site. I'd rather not get into a lengthy arguement about the legality of the above or whether it can be implemented since judging from the result of some of the last calls to protest within this group I don't think this type of action will see a real implementation anytime soon so it's legality and feasibility would be mostly speculation IMHO. I just wanted to clarify what I had in mind as option c) in the original mailing. It's late and there's a bunch of good jazz happening the next two nights at the Mercury Lounge in downtown Austin. The crypto revolution will have to wait for a less festive time of year :-)... waves, C.G. -- the above are my views-- and possibly my views alone :-(

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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by news 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Connect Free Newsletter November/December 98 Connect FREE would like to wish all our customers a Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year Welcome to Connect Free, and thank you for joining our service, we hope you find our third newsletter informative. September and Octobers Newsletter can be viewed on our web site at the bottom of the FREE Internet page. Connect FREE would like to apologise for Novembers Newsletter not being sent out. We were waiting for the upgrade to the Connect FREE network to be completed and the launch of the new services. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Upgrades As mentioned in our last newsletter, Connect FREE has now doubled its network capacity, no more engaged tones and a faster connections to the Internet. We have added another 2MB of bandwidth to our network and twice as many modems and lines. Connect FREE can NOW offer V90 connections and is the first FREE ISP to offer 128K ISDN connections. 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Connect FREE does not currently have a Proxy Server, and if your software is configured to look for one then you will go nowhere. If you find that you can connect to our servers without a problem but then find that when you launch your browser you cannot access any web pages or performance is very slow, then you probably have the Proxy Server setting enabled. To Disable (Win95/98): Control Panel, Internet, and Connection, Un-tick the Proxy Server settings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SantaCalls Wouldn't your child, grandchild, godchild, nephew or niece just love a personal call from Santa this Christmas? In association with the Variety Club we are asking our users to visit their Santa Calls Web site. The idea is that mums and dads can enter the details of their children i.e. names of pets and things they would like for Christmas etc and then Santa actually phones the child and has a chat. 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Re: Anyone Striking?
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Perry E. Metzger <perry(a)piermont.com> > To: James Glave <james(a)wired.com> > Cc: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com>; cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net; dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Anyone Striking? > Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 10:06 AM > James Glave writes: > > Anyone participating in the strike today? I'd like to possibly visit this > > with a news story... > > I find it exceptionally unlikely that many people are participating in > this. Whomever called the thing was not thinking very clearly. You > need at least several weeks notice for such a thing to work, and the > two or three days notice (at most) that was given was way too small. A > strike of this nature might work, but only if someone with political > sense were organizing it. What would be the usefulness of this, anyway? Most of us who know and care about this issue are already working in the field of cryptography or computer security at some level--how will slowing our projects down by a day help our cause? How will refusing to design strong systems that use cryptography send a message to the government that their meddling won't keep us from designing such systems? > Perry --John Kelsey, kelsey(a)counterpane.com / kelsey(a)plnet.net NEW PGP print = 5D91 6F57 2646 83F9 6D7F 9C87 886D 88AF

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Easy Money $$ <<Work At Home Jobs>> Stuffing Envelopes: $3 Per Envelope, Guaranteed!
by bob＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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How to Win!!
by Della7079＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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FW: Information about Algorithmic hash
by Shrinidhi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Can any one tell where can I find info about Algorithmic hash

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Re: I must admit. . .
by Joel O'Connor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks write code? Make people use it. . . ---mib <mib(a)io.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 12:25:50PM -0800, you wrote: > > I wonder sometimes whether or not there is hope for us to ever stop > > this tyrrany. I've seen a bunch of us diss the strike saying it was > > an outlandish and foolish idea, but I hadn't seen anyone of you come > > up with something better. > > Cypherpunks write code? > > - d. > == "Be sand in the gears of the machine." Henry David Thoreau _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Norstar Question
by Leif Ericksen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This may be slightly off the topic here sorry... :( Ok for those of you that are actually reading this message I have a question about a Small Office Norstart Switch/voice mail system. I have recently taken the task of doing phone admin wehre I work and we use a Norstar system. I am waiting on tech support/help folk to get back to me and wanted to see if I can get the system working before they call. Here is the problem. I do Feature 983 to get to the admin section and I type in the password for some reason the password is not working. I tried a fewother combinations to see if it was given some other password, as well I checked the defaults and I have had NO luck getting into the admin section. Thus my question.... Is there a back door way ito the system that anybody on the net knows of? If so plese send it to me. If it means actually having access to the device I belive it is in a closet that I can get to with the aid of some other folk here that have the key. Thank you, Leif Ericksen.

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Re: I must admit. . .
by Joel O'Connor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hahahaha. . .now that was good. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBNnfhbVMQ9C083U98EQL7/ACaAlm+meYQpigAcpd2b60nTM48nT4AnjV+ bcnaWyFIx+QMFOvAEvoSi6B7 =LMpF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---mib <mib(a)io.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 02:42:44PM +0000, Joel O'Connor wrote: > > Cypherpunks write code? Make people use it. . . > > Vee have vays... > > - d. > == "Be sand in the gears of the machine." Henry David Thoreau _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: I must admit. . .
by Joel O'Connor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It only took one to turn India around. Ghandi nearly starved to death, used nothing but passifism and won the race man. You can't discredit the labors of a few, wonderous things can happen when 3 people bond together for a common cause. To much negativity in this world already, I don't wish to add to it. We've got nothing left but hope and what a large flame a small spark can ignite. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBNnfiP1MQ9C083U98EQJ8tACg7OHwYApyS5ZV910pjal4l10a66cAoLT3 0MMHXv2SVi4gvLgd/VhGSVV8 =cZCk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Joel O'Connor wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I wonder sometimes whether or not there is hope for us to ever stop > > this tyrrany. I've seen a bunch of us diss the strike saying it was > > an outlandish and foolish idea, but I hadn't seen anyone of you come > > up with something better. That act of protest, no matter how small, > > serves to raise awareness. > > Nothing like an extremely weak protest effort to hurt the cause ... > > Having three geeks unplug their computers for a day sends the message > that "nobody cares." > > > == "Be sand in the gears of the machine." Henry David Thoreau _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 1998
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Okay, I finally got the story right about Network Associates Inc. and the > Key Recovery Alliance. (Last month I pointed to a Wired News story that > they quietly rejoined.) The story is wrong. They never left the KRA. > Since its inception, Trusted Information Systems was a big mover and shaker > in the KRA. When NAI bought TIS in May 1998, TIS's membership transferred > to NAI. NAI resigned the leadership posts that TIS had held in the > Alliance and stopped attending its meetings, but never left the KRA. So, > NAI is a member of the KRA, and has been since it bought TIS. > http://www.wired.com/news/print_version/technology/story/16219.html As a further clarification, it is incorrect to say that NAI "never left the KRA." Network Associates Inc. (NAI) was formed out of McAfee and Network General. McAfee was a member of the KRA, so at the time NAI was formed, it was a member of the KRA. When NAI bought PGP, in late 1997, Phil Zimmermann found out about NAI's membership, and he was able to persuade management to withdraw from the KRA. This is why it is wrong to say that NAI never left the KRA. See http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,17112,00.html. NAI bought TIS a few months later. TIS was a member and in fact a leading member of the KRA. By purchasing TIS, NAI inherited its membership in the KRA, and so NAI was once again a member. It's not clear whether Phil Zimmermann or anyone else tried to get NAI to again withdraw from the KRA, but if they did, they were not successful. NAI renewed its membership later in 1998 and is still a member of the KRA, although it has reduced its level of participation.

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Network Associates' KRA Partner status
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bruce Schneier said in the "News" section of Crypto-Gram: >> Okay, I finally got the story right about Network Associates Inc. and the >> Key Recovery Alliance. (Last month I pointed to a Wired News story that >> they quietly rejoined.) The story is wrong. They never left the KRA. >> Since its inception, Trusted Information Systems was a big mover and shaker >> in the KRA. When NAI bought TIS in May 1998, TIS's membership transferred >> to NAI. NAI resigned the leadership posts that TIS had held in the >> Alliance and stopped attending its meetings, but never left the KRA. So, >> NAI is a member of the KRA, and has been since it bought TIS. >> http://www.wired.com/news/print_version/technology/story/16219.html Someone responded: > When NAI bought PGP, in late 1997, Phil Zimmermann found out about NAI's > membership, and he was able to persuade management to withdraw from > the KRA. This is why it is wrong to say that NAI never left the KRA. > See http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,17112,00.html. I remember hearing this at the time. The cited article (8 Dec 1997) has supporting quotes from NAI's Gene Hodges. In addition, Dave Del Torto wrote to the secretary of KRA last month and got a response from secretariat staffer Michael LoBue on 20 Nov 1998 that addresses this point in passing: Indeed, some of this current 'public debate' about NAI's relationship with the KRA goes back to their public statement that they 'withdrew' from the organization. The fact of the matter is that they simply did not choose to become an actual member at the time the organization was formally constituted. When it was reported that they withdrew, there was in fact no entity from which to withdraw. While the actual status of KRA is interesting, the relevant point is that NAI did indeed say they were withdrawing, and they did withdraw from participation in the nascent organization. > NAI bought TIS a few months later. TIS was a member and in fact a leading > member of the KRA. By purchasing TIS, NAI inherited its membership in > the KRA, and so NAI was once again a member. It was more explicit than this. Michael LoBue said further: Concerning Network Associates membership in the KRA, in response to your question I have verified that our files contain an executed Membership Agreement for Network Associates (dated July 2, 1998), as well as a properly completed Application for Membership of that same date. This is not just accepting the existing membership status of TIS. It's reversing NAI's non-membership status and explicitly joining. DDT's message and KRA's response were posted to several lists on 22 Nov 1998. Somebody'd better write this all in a physical book before the wrong version gets scribbled into history. Webbage is nice, but is regrettably transient. -- Jim Gillogly 26 Foreyule S.R. 1998, 18:06 12.19.5.13.19, 5 Cauac 12 Mac, Ninth Lord of Night

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[e-money] Press Review IV: E-mail trail
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:37:56 +0100 To: e-money(a)moving-art-studio.com From: jens-ingo <jens.ingo.brodesser(a)euronet.be> Subject: [e-money] Press Review IV: E-mail trail Sender: owner-e-money(a)mail.serve.com Reply-To: owner-e-money(a)moving-art-studio.com MOVING ART STUDIO LIST: E-MONEY http://www.moving-art-studio.com/ ================================= found in wired news on 16 dec 1998 pst http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16485.html ==================== start quoted text ==================== China Delays Net Trial Reuters 7:35 a.m. 25.Nov.98.PST SHANGHAI -- China has delayed the closed-door trial of a man accused of using the Internet to undermine the state, and on Wednesday his wife called for an open court hearing. Lin Hai, a 30-year-old computer engineer, had been scheduled to go on trial on Thursday. He is accused of inciting subversion of state power, but a Shanghai court has postponed the case indefinitely, said Lin's wife, Xu Hong. "They did not say when it might get underway," Xu told Reuters. "When it starts, I would want it to be in open court so there would be public scrutiny." Lin, who was arrested in March, has been accused of using the Internet to send tens of thousands of email addresses to VIP Reference, a dissident publication based in the United States. If convicted, he could face up to life in prison. The case was to be heard in a closed-door session at the Shanghai Number One Intermediate Court. Even the defendant's wife was to be barred from court. "Of course I believe I should be at the trial," Xu said. "But the hearing should be open to the public as well." The court offered no explanation for its sudden decision to postpone the hearing, but Xu said it could be a result of international interest in the case. The case has been ignored by the official Chinese media but has attracted widespread attention abroad. Some 1.2 million Chinese are on the Internet, and the total is expected to reach 5 million by 2000. The government has embraced the Internet, but so have a number of dissident groups. VIP Reference, one of many dissident publications that have sprung up online, says it sends information to 250,000 email accounts in China from various email addresses in the United States. Court documents called VIP Reference a hostile foreign organization, and claimed it used data provided by Lin "to disseminate large numbers of articles aimed at inciting subversion of state power and the socialist system." Lin ran a now-defunct software company that set up Web sites and provided job searches for multinational companies. His supporters say he frequently exchanged or purchased email addresses to build up a database for his online job search business. Copyright© 1998 Reuters Limited. ==================== end quoted text ==================== ================================== You are subscribed to the list e-money. To *un*subscribe simply send mail to e-money(a)moving-art-studio.com *message text: subscribe or unsubscribe* --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Strike may have had small impact...
by Kevlar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the impact of the strike on December 14 against the Wassenaar Arrangement has been greatly under-estimated. Even though I can only comfirm a handfull of brave souls may have supported the cause, the discussion about it was enough to raise awareness. And wasn't that the point? I submit this as proof for your aproval: (Orinigal story quoted directly from: http://www.zdnet.com/icom/e-business/1998/12/wassenaar/index.html ) December 14, 1998 Wassenaar Pact May Threaten Global E-com By Jim Kerstetter - PC Week Could a treaty banning the use of strong encryption put the screws, once again, to the U.S. encryption industry? Cryptographers and others in the security industry worry that that could be exactly what is happening. The Clinton administration this month, in an about-face to indications that it was loosening its grip on encryption, announced the signing of a treaty with 32 countries called the Wassenaar Arrangement. The treaty would limit key lengths to 64 bits or less. Clinton administration officials said the treaty will, for the first time, level the playing field for U.S. companies trying to sell abroad. That's true, to a point. U.S. companies have long complained that they were unfairly hampered by the lack of restrictions in other countries. What they had hoped would happen--and what the administration seemed to be edging toward--was an easing of U.S. export laws. They never asked for stronger controls in other countries. The Wassenaar Agreement broadsided many who had watched the Clinton administration over recent years grant export licenses for strong encryption products to companies such as Hewlett-Packard Co. and Netscape Communications Corp. Jeff Smith, general counsel of the Washington industry group Americans for Computer Privacy, said in a statement the treaty is a welcome attempt to level the playing field, but "it also demonstrates flaws in our government's encryption export policies." Security status quo So what does it mean if the agreement does become law? For starters, it would not cut the use of unbreakable encryption. The Data Encryption Standard, the U.S. standard for symmetric, or private-key, encryption, has been broken at 56 bits. No one has publicly acknowledged breaking a DES key longer than that. The Triple DES key, commonly used in the United States, would continue to be illegal for export. Ironically, the government's own proposed Advanced Encryption Standard, which is expected to replace DES in about two years, would not be allowed for export. It's not clear what the treaty will mean to companies that have already been granted export licenses either for strong encryption--the financial-transaction encryption that has been exempt in the past--or for authentication mechanisms that usually take 1,024 bits. In other words, the treaty would reinforce the status quo in the United States. Elsewhere around the world, it could be a different story. Of the 32 other nations, several, such as the United Kingdom and Japan, already have strong encryption controls. But others, such as Germany, have virtually no export controls, and companies there could be seriously impacted. About 18 months ago, the control of encryption products was taken out of the hands of the U.S. Department of Defense, which had long considered encryption a munition, and handed to the Commerce Department. Although the result was often the same--the DOD, the National Security Agency, the CIA and the FBI still had a say in what could and could not be exported--the shift of control was considered by many to be a sign that the administration was growing more friendly to industry concerns. Those hopes were further bolstered when export limits were raised from 40 bits to 56 bits, when financial institutions where allowed to use whatever they wanted to protect transactions and when a long list of companies gained export approval. But the Wassenaar Agreement, which must still be approved by Congress and legislative bodies in most of the participating countries, would put the brakes on that road to government deregulation. Jim Kerstetter is a staff writer at PC Week. Send e-mail to jim_kerstetter(a)zd.com. -Kevlar <Webmaster(a)max-web.com> Does God know Peano Algebra? Or does she not care if strong atheists couldnt reason their way out of a trap made of Boolean presumptions? A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but zero knowlege is absolutely subversive. Overspecialization breeds in weakness. It's a slow death. Beat your algorithms into swords, your dumb terminals into shields, and turn virtual machines into battlefields... Let the weak say, "I am strong" and question authority.

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y2k+weapons
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

finally a good analysis of the weaponry situation.. surprised it has taken this long for anyone to write something like this. hopefully most weaponry systems will have failsafe mechanisms that prevent them from being shot off. in other words, they will malfunction, they will not work or be launchable.. worst case scenario of course is that they launch..!! the analogy is sort of like with stop lights. how horribly will they fail? for example stop lights could fail and just blink in all 4 directions, or they could be green in all 4 directions.. both are a failure, but the latter is more like a "catastrophic" failure.. with weapons, inoperability is a failure, launching is a catastrophic failure. ------- Forwarded Message Delivered-To: pswann(a)easynet.co.uk From: Carolyn Langdon <forumpub(a)stlc.com> Subject: Y2K and Nuclear Weapons Command Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:25:51 -0500 Organization: St Lawrence Centre for the Arts Encoding: 119 TEXT Science for Peace Media Release For immediate release - December 1998 Y2K and Nuclear Weapons Command and Control Systems Toronto - There are over 35,000 nuclear weapons remaining in the world today. These arsenals contain the destructive power of 650,000 Hiroshima bombs. Thousands of these weapons, mostly land-based ballistic missiles and submarine launched missiles are in a state of ready deployment. That is their warheads, which contain the nuclear fissile material, are attached to their delivery systems. Computers have become increasingly central to nuclear operations but they have not been without their glitches and serious flaws. During the Cold War computer malfunctions produced several serious false alarms of missile attacks, and during the Gulf War computer malfunctions contributed to the failings of the Patriot anti-missile system. "Both Russia and the U.S. are believed to have a "launch on warning" policy, so that a retaliatory launch is made after an adversary's missile is detected, and before the warhead impacts. Thus a single accidental or unauthorized launch could result in wholesale nuclear war." says Dr. Alan Phillips of Science for Peace. "When you factor in the Y2K computer problem an already dangerous situation becomes untenable", says Calvin Gotlieb from Science for Peace. "A Y2K meltdown in the nuclear systems of any one of the nuclear countries - the U.S., Russia, China, France, Britain, India, Pakistan and Israel (an undeclared nuclear state) would spell disaster." Dr. Barbara Simons, President of the Association for Computing Machinery states, "I am not going to worry about whether or not my VCR might become confused on 1/1/00. The worst case scenario is not especially bad. I am, however, going to worry about whether or not a computer that controls a major weapons system becomes confused on 1/1/00." Research findings by a number of different agencies and experts, both inside and outside the U.S. Dept. of Defense (DOD), show "no confidence" in the Pentagon's present program to meet the Year 2000 challenge. The DOD weapons systems utilize millions of 'embedded systems' in the form of microchips and microprocessors. U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre has admitted that, "everything is so interconnected, it's very hard to know with any precision that we've got it fixed." This was the U.S. state of affairs after 2 billion dollars had been spent trying to fix it. There is little information coming out of Russia about their progress with Y2K problems, but we can safely surmise that all can't be well given their diminished resources. David Parnas, the NSERC/Bell Industrial Research Chair in Software Engineering at McMaster University is concerned about the risks posed by the Y2K computer problem and nuclear systems. He says that, "The US military establishment is heavily dependent on computers for communication, intelligence and for control of weapons. Computer programs are very complex constructions. When a problem is discovered it often takes weeks to fix. Often the "fixed" program is still not right and requires further repair after the revised program is put into service. Sometimes, programs that are not date sensitive exchange dates with programs that are and will fail when those 'partner' programs fail." The Fail Safe Solution: All nuclear weapons states need to disconnect their nuclear warheads from their delivery systems to eliminate the risk of nuclear war by miscalculation, accident, or the Y2K problem. With proper planning and sufficient lead-time, it is technically feasible. In 1991, in the wake of the coup attempt in the Soviet Union, Presidents Bush and Gorbachev took thousands of nuclear weapons off deployment in a short period of time. The most difficult problem will be providing safe storage for the thousands of warheads from land-based missiles. In view of the risks involved in leaving weapons on ready alert, this difficulty can be easily overcome if governments start planning now. We need to hear from NATO, the U.N. and Congress that a multilateral approach to the Y2K problem is being coordinated. To date there has been near silence. Time is running out for a coordinated approach. Similar views to those of Science for Peace are held by individual computer scientists and nuclear physicists, organizations like the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research and the British American Security Information Council, both based in the U.S., and Physicians for Global Responsibility among others. - - - 30 - For more information please contact: Science for Peace Board members: Dr. Alan Phillips, Science for Peace & Physicians for Global Survival, 905-385-0353 Calvin Gotlieb, Professor Emeritus, Dept of Computer Science, U of T T. 416-978-2986 or 416-482-4509 David Parnas, P.Eng., NSERC/Bell Industrial Research Chair in Software Engineering, Dept. of Computing and Software, Faculty of Engineering at McMaster University 905-525-9140x27353 or 905-648-5772 Other: Barbara Simons, President of the Association for Computing Machinery (simons(a)acm.org) Arjun Makhijani, Institute for Energy and Environmental Research (U.S.) 301-270-5500 For further information on the Y2K issue and other related nuclear issues see the Science for Peace website at: www.math.yorku.ca/sfp/ Science for Peace is located at University College, 15 King's College Circle, University of Toronto M5S 3H7 Canada. Tel. 416-978-3606.

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Re: Network Associates' KRA Partner status
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Gillogly writes: >I remember hearing this at the time. The cited article (8 Dec 1997) has >supporting quotes from NAI's Gene Hodges. In addition, Dave Del Torto >wrote to the secretary of KRA last month and got a response from >secretariat staffer Michael LoBue on 20 Nov 1998 that addresses this >point in passing: > > Indeed, some of this current 'public debate' about NAI's > relationship with the KRA goes back to their public statement > that they 'withdrew' from the organization. The fact of the matter > is that they simply did not choose to become an actual member at the > time the organization was formally constituted. When it was reported > that they withdrew, there was in fact no entity from which to withdraw. This sounds like some legalistic spin-doctoring from the KRA to try to minimize the political impact of the departure. Are they really claiming that the KRA did not exist as late as December, 1997? See their own press release at http://www.kra.org/clips/alliance2.html, dated October 2, 1996, describing the formation of the KRA. See also the McAfee press release at http://www.nai.com/about/news/press/1996/121296.asp, dated December 12, 1996, saying that McAfee was joining the KRA, and the KRA press release http://www.kra.org/clips/prkeyrec0597.html from May, 1997, welcoming 22 new members. Perhaps their story is that prior to December, 1997, the KRA had enough existence for companies to join, but not enough for them to withdraw? >> NAI bought TIS a few months later. TIS was a member and in fact a leading >> member of the KRA. By purchasing TIS, NAI inherited its membership in >> the KRA, and so NAI was once again a member. > >It was more explicit than this. Michael LoBue said further: > > Concerning Network Associates membership in the KRA, in response to your > question I have verified that our files contain an executed Membership > Agreement for Network Associates (dated July 2, 1998), as well as a properly > completed Application for Membership of that same date. > >This is not just accepting the existing membership status of TIS. It's >reversing NAI's non-membership status and explicitly joining. Keep in mind that the KRA is apparently trying to put a particular spin on events, as is clear from their strained attempt to claim that NAI never withdrew because their was "no entity from which to withdraw." They want to maximize the appearance of commercial support for their organization. The membership applications they are referring to may just be the paperwork needed to officially transfer the membership from TIS to NAI. This would represent NAI's decision to continue to be a member of the KRA but would not be a matter of joining anew; rather it would maintain the existing relationship inherited from TIS.

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Re: CyberScam (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:43:07 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: CyberScam > No, BBBs (not "BBS's") did _not_ come first. I had an ARPANet account in > 1973 or so, long before any meaningful BBSs were available. (And the > ARPANet goes back to 1967-8 or so.) 1969. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Network Associates' KRA Partner status
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody said in response to my quoting the message from KRA to Dave Del Torto: > The membership applications they are referring to may just be the > paperwork needed to officially transfer the membership from TIS to NAI. > This would represent NAI's decision to continue to be a member of the > KRA but would not be a matter of joining anew; rather it would maintain > the existing relationship inherited from TIS. Whether or not KRA had a legal existence at the time NAI withdrew from it, my main points (and yours, assuming you're the same Somebody as before) still stand. NAI did announce after the PGP acquisition that they were withdrawing from KRA, whatever its legal status at the time, and they did take explicit action to join, rejoin, or transfer TIS's membership to themselves. It was <not> simply a passive acquisition of the TIS membership as a result of absorbing TIS. Our points of difference seem to be much smaller than our agreements, and the recent Schneier article doesn't appear to match this version of history. -- Jim Gillogly 26 Foreyule S.R. 1998, 21:29 12.19.5.13.19, 5 Cauac 12 Mac, Ninth Lord of Night

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Clinton Attacks Iraq
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Looks like Bubba has launched a massive strike on Iraq to draw attention from his cocksucking problems. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Open Letter To William Klinton (fwd)
by Missouri FreeNet Administration 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:55 -0600 (CST) Dear Mr. Klinton, Your actions in bombing Bagdad, *solely* to distract from your own impeachment problems, is a Stalin-like crime against humanity. I am *astounded* that you are willing to throw away the lives of innocent people in your attempt to hold your [so often abused] power. Impeachment is no longer enough: only assasination could hope to bring Justice to the world at this point. I fervently pray that some heroic man or woman will have the courage and moral standing to answer the call and end your miserable Nazi existence, and once again allow us to hold our heads up when announcing that we are an American citizen. Right now, I am totally ashamed: of you, of the Country for allowing you to get to this point, of the system of putrid politicians that allows you to stay in an office which allows you to maim and murder in such a wanton and capricious manner. In short, I am ashamed of my citizenship. Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org -- If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Nitwits
by Harvey Rook (Exchange) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May Wrote... > > Some (Nitwits) are from Yahoo, some from MyDejaNews (tm), some from > HotMail. And then > there are the unilluminati from WebTV and AOL. > The depressing thing is that AOL as at least 14 million paying subscribers. It may even be up to 20 million. Hotmail has 30 million active accounts. The unilluminati are the future of the internet. Harv

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J. Lamarck, Advisors in Biotechnology
by lamarck＠sis.it 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Egr. Signore / Signora, Come è ormai ampiamente noto, è cominciato il grande processo di transizione dall'industria chimica, che per decenni ha trainato l'economia di molti paesi, a quella delle biotecnologie avanzate. Il fortissimo sviluppo di questo settore sta dando vita al più dinamico mercato azionario di fine secolo. La J. Lamarck è la prima società di consulenza finanziaria nata per soddisfare le esigenze di tutti coloro (privati, banche, istituzioni o grandi aziende) che vogliono investire in biotecnologia con cognizione e sicurezza. Offre un servizio altamente qualificato e personalizzato in cui la disciplina, la responsabilità ed il mantenimento della fiducia del Cliente rappresentano i cardini della sua politica di management. Il nostro programma consente di soddisfare la necessità di diversificazione di coloro che hanno intravisto la grande potenzialità del settore delle biotecnologie e desiderano perciò investire in questo segmento di mercato in continua crescita. La diversificata composizione del portafoglio comporta la riduzione del rischio che è normalmente associato agli investimenti in singole imprese del settore. Siamo continuamente orientati alla comunicazione con tutti coloro che operano nel settore "high-tech" e nella biotecnologia in particolare perché, come l'esperienza americana insegna, solo l'unione delle diverse discipline (scientifica, giuridica, finanziaria ed economica) può creare tutte le sinergie utili allo sviluppo di questo settore. Se gradisce maggiori informazioni sulla nostra attività può visitare il nostro sito internet: http://www.lamarck.com, oppure può contattarci alla nostra e-mail:lamarck@sis.it RingraziandoLa per l'attenzione accordataci Le inviamo i nostri più distinti saluti, J. Lamarck

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RE: Clinton Attacks Iraq
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Cordian [mailto:emc@wire.insync.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 4:20 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Clinton Attacks Iraq > > Looks like Bubba has launched a massive strike on Iraq to > draw attention > from his cocksucking problems. Spoken like a poet. First thought, best thought. Here's a loose haiku: Bubba launched a massive strike on Iraq blowjob snag go *poof* Excuse the abuse of style... C.G. -- sig space for lease

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RE: Nitwits
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The depressing thing is that AOL as at least 14 million paying subscribers. >It may even be up to 20 million. Hotmail has 30 million active accounts. The >unilluminati are the future of the internet. > >Harv Sites like AOL and Hotmail do a great service to the net: They hurd the unilluminati onto a select few sites, making it easier to blackhole them en masse.

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RE: Nitwits
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Sites like AOL and Hotmail do a great service to the net: They hurd the >unilluminati onto a select few sites, making it easier to blackhole them en >masse. This is what happens when you read literature on GNU Hurd while you're posting.

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bears repeating, part 2
by Pallas Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

another try: An alternative to the pyramid form of organization is the cell system. In the past, many political groups (both left and right) have used the cell system to further their objectives. Two examples will suffice. During the American Revolution, "committees of correspondence" were formed throughout the Thirteen Colonies. Their purpose was to subvert the government and thereby aid the cause of independence. The "Sons of Liberty," who made a name for themselves by dumping government taxed tea into the harbor at Boston, were the action arm of the committees of correspondence. Each committee was a secret cell that operated totally independently of the other cells. Information on the government was passed from committee to committee, from colony to colony, and then acted upon on a local basis. Yet even in those bygone days of poor communication, of weeks to months for a letter to be delivered, the committees, without any central direction whatsoever, were remarkably similar in tactics employed to resist government tyranny. It was, as the first American Patriots knew, totally unnecessary for anyone to give an order for anything. Information was made available to each committee, and each committee acted as it saw fit. A recent example of the cell system taken from the left wing of politics are the Communists. The Communists, in order to get around the obvious problems involved in pyramidal organization, developed to an art the cell system. They had numerous independent cells which operated completely isolated from one another and particularly with no knowledge of each other, but were orchestrated together by a central headquarters. For instance, during WWII, in Washington, it is known that there were at least six secret Communist cells operating at high levels in the United States government (plus all the open Communists who were protected and promoted by President Roosevelt), however, only one of the cells was rooted out and destroyed. How many more actually were operating, no one can say for sure. The Communist cells which operated in the U.S. until late 1991 under Soviet control could have at their command a leader who held a social position which appeared to be very lowly. He could be, for example, a busboy in a restaurant, but in reality a colonel or a general in the Soviet Secret Service, the KGB. Under him could be a number of cells, and a person active in one cell would almost never have knowledge of individuals who were active in other cells; in fact, the members of the other cells would be supporting that cell which was under attack and ordinarily would lend very strong support to it in many ways. This is at least part of the reason, no doubt, that whenever in the past Communists were attacked in this country, support for them sprang up in many unexpected places. The effective and efficient operation of a cell system after the Communist model is, of course, dependent upon central direction, which means impressive organization, funding from the top, and outside support, all of which the Communists had. Obviously, American patriots have none of these things at the top or anywhere else, and so an effective cell organization based upon the Soviet system of operation is impossible. Two things become clear from the above discussion. First, that the pyramid form of organization can be penetrated quite easily and it thus is not a sound method of organization in situations where the government has the resources and desire to penetrate the structure, which is the situation in this country. Secondly, that the normal qualifications for the cell structure based upon the Red model does not exist in the U.S. for patriots. This understood, the question arises "What method is left for those resisting state tyranny?" The answer comes from Col. Amoss who proposed the "Phantom Cell" mode of organization which he described as Leaderless Resistance. A system of organization that is based upon the cell organization, but does not have any central control or direction, that is in fact almost identical to the methods used by the committees of correspondence during the American Revolution. Utilizing the Leaderless Resistance concept, all individuals and groups operate independently of each other, and never report to a central head-quarters or single leader for direction or instruction, as would those who belong to a typical pyramid organization. At first glance, such a form of organization seems unrealistic, primarily because there appears to be no organization. The natural question thus arises as to how are the "Phantom Cells" and individuals to cooperate with each other when there is no inter-communication or central direction? The answer to this question is that participants in a program of leaderless resistance through "Phantom Cell" or individual action must know exactly what they are doing and how to do it. It becomes the responsibility of the individual to acquire the necessary skills and information as to what is to be done. This is by no means as impractical as it appears, because it is certainly true that in any movement all persons involved have the same general outlook, are acquainted with the same philosophy, and generally react to given situations in similar ways. The previous history of the committees of correspondence during the American Revolution shows this to be true. Since the entire purpose of leaderless resistance is to defeat state tyranny (at least in so far as this essay is concerned), all members of phantom cells or individuals will tend to react to objective events in the same way through usual tactics of resistance. Organs of information distribution such as newspapers, leaflets, computers, etc., which are widely available to all, keep each person informed of events, allowing for a planned response that will take many variations. No one need issue an order to anyone. Those idealists truly committed to the cause of freedom will act when they feel the time is ripe, or will take their cue from others who precede them. While it is true that much could be said against this kind of structure as a method of resistance, it must be kept in mind that leaderless resistance is a child of necessity. The alternatives to it have been shown to be unworkable or impractical. Leaderless resistance has worked before in the American Revolution, and if the truly committed put it to use themselves, it will work now. #!/usr/local/bin/perl -0777-- -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RC4-3-lines-PERL @k=unpack('C*',pack('H*',shift));for(@t=@s=0..255){$y=($k[$_%@k]+$s[$x=$_ ]+$y)%256;&S}$x=$y=0;for(unpack('C*',<>)){$x++;$y=($s[$x%=256]+$y)%256; &S;print pack(C,$_^=$s[($s[$x]+$s[$y])%256])}sub S{@s[$x,$y]=@s[$y,$x]}

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Richard Stallman: Encryption software volunteers needed incountries without export control
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text To: cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: Richard Stallman: Encryption software volunteers needed in countries without export control Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:35:07 -0500 From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)jekyll.piermont.com> Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:40:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <gnusenet199812081040.DAA29657(a)wijiji.santafe.edu> From: Richard Stallman <rms(a)gnu.org> To: info-gnu(a)gnu.org Subject: Encryption software volunteers needed in countries without export control [Please re-post this as widely as possible, wherever appropriate] The US has scored a major victory in the global campaign against freedom and privacy rights, by persuading 33 major countries to prohibit export of free encryption software. These countries are the ones that are party to the Wassenaar agreement (see list below). The agreement is not final; putting it into effect would require new laws or regulations in each country, and in some countries it might be possible to organize politically to block this. If you are a citizen of a country listed below, please talk with your legislators and urge them to refuse to ratify the agreement. See www.epic.org for more information. However, anticipating the possibility that these laws will go through, we need to find volunteers in countries which are not signatories to take over development and distribution of encryption software such as the GNU Privacy Guard and PSST. We are looking for (1) an ftp site from which to distribute the software, and (2) people to carry on the development work. If you have contacts in any non-signatory country, please circulate this message as widely as possible in your country, looking for people who might want to volunteer for GNU software development. Non-signatory countries that come to mind as possible places where free encryption software can be developed include Mexico, India, Croatia, China, South Africa, and perhaps Israel. However, any country is ok if its laws do not prevent the work. Big Brother has won a battle, but the war is not over. List of countries signing the Wassenaar agreement: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Luxembourg, Netherland, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom and United States. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Potential Crypto Development Sites (re: Stallman)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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RE: I must admit. . .
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone claiming to be Joel O'Connor wrote: > It only took one to turn India around. Ghandi nearly > starved to death, used nothing but passifism and won > the race man. I'm sorry but this is nonsense. Ghandi may have been a great man and an inspiration to us all but he *lost*. His first big political involvment was trying to stop the British from allowing the Boers to take away political rights from the "coloured" and Asian population of Cape Colony. The Brits caved into the white South Africans and we all know what happened next. Then he tried to get them (well us I suppose, since I'm British) to "quit India" in the 1920s & 30s - failed again, we got out 2 decades later, after WW2, when a British government was elected that was anti-colonialist. You wouldn't have been able to persuade the 1945-1951 government to stay *in* India. In fact they were so eager to get out they probably caused more problems by the speed of the withdrawal. Ghandi wanted a secular federation of all India - but instead there was partition, the secession of an inherently unviable Muslim state that was bound to end up with either civil war or fundamentalism (and in the end got both, at least for some of the time), and at least hundreds of thousands, and possibly many millions of deaths that could have been avoided. And then of course he himself was killed. And now India has the BJP. Ghandi was perhaps *right* but he certainly didn't "win the race". Ken (and not his employers)

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the KKK took my baby away (in year 2000)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Millenium Y2Kaos: Fear of Computer Bug Fueling Far Right Prepare for war. Its coming!" With those words, hard-line racist preacher James Wickstrom warned an August gathering of extremists in Pennsylvania of the end-times battle he expects in the year 2000 -- a battle he believes will be set off by the so-called "y2k" computer bug. Across the extreme-right spectrum, such fears of a societal breakdown sparked by computer date-change problems have set activists afire. While Wickstroms prophecies may be the most explosive, similar millennial fears are dominating the headlines of the radical press. The airwaves are reverberating with warnings to head for the hills and hunker down for possible riots and race war. The Internet is replete with similarly dire scenarios. When the crash comes, Wickstrom enjoined some 30 followers, "get out of the way for a while and then go hunting, O Israel!" Like the biblical figure of David, godly whites must "fill our shoes with the blood of our enemies and walk in them." Wickstrom lives, he said, "for the day I can walk down the road and see heads on the fence posts." If the race war scenario such men envision is a fantasy, the computer problem they believe will set it off is not. Authorities ranging from President Clinton to leaders of industry around the world believe that y2k -- which is short for "Year 2000" -- could lead to major social and economic snarls, even a worldwide depression. The problem originated with early computer programmers who abbreviated date references to two digits -- as in "98" for 1998 -- in order to save then-precious bytes of computer memory. At the turn of the century, experts say, many computers could crash or spew nonsensical data as they confuse "00" for 1900. While predictions vary hugely, many officials and experts believe there could be serious problems in banking, food supplies, air traffic control, nuclear and electrical power, defense and any number of other sectors. Many fear a recession. And there are those who forecast even worse. Something will happen Regardless of the actual result -- and many experts see the headline-making y2k story as a tempest in a teacup -- there is no question that a large number of extremists have pegged the year 2000 as a critical date. For many, it will be the time when Christian patriots, the "children of light," must do battle with the satanic "forces of darkness." Others believe "one-world" conspirators will attack American patriots on that date. This has not been lost on those who battle right-wing terror. Early next year, the FBI will launch a nationwide assessment of the threat of domestic terrorism on and around Jan. 1, 2000. "I worry that every day something could happen somewhere," Robert Blitzer, head of the FBIs domestic terrorism unit, told the Los Angeles Times recently (see interview also in this issue). "The odds are that something will happen." Hard-line revolutionaries like Wickstrom are not the only ones to tie apocalyptic visions to the y2k problem. Pat Robertsons relatively mainstream Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), for instance, offers news stories describing the computer bug and its possible ramifications such as "The Year 2000: A Date With Disaster" and "Countdown to Chaos: Prophecy for 2000." Robertson markets a CBN video, "Preparing for the Millennium: A CBN News Special Report," that includes a synopsis of "the y2k computer crisis" with his futuristic novel, The End of an Age, which describes a "possible scenario of a future biblical Armageddon" triggered by a meteors crash. The audience for such ideas is not even limited to evangelical Christians. A large number of new religious books have crossed over strongly into the secular market. Left Behind , a recent series of four apocalyptic novels co-authored by an evangelical Christian minister and a former journalist, has sold almost 3 million copies. The series made "publishing history in September when all four of the books ascended to the top four slots on Publishers Weekly magazines lists of bestsellers," according to a report in The New York Times. The books authors say every major prophecy of the biblical Book of Revelations has been fulfilled, and they expect the y2k bug could set off the crisis. Y2K and the antichrist "It could very well trigger a financial meltdown," co-author Tim LaHaye writes on his publishers Web site, which attracts 80,000 electronic visits a day, "leading to an international depression, which would make it possible for the antichrist or his emissaries to establish a one-world currency or a one-world economic system, which will dominate the world commercially until it is destroyed." The series has spun off a companion childrens book series, a music CD, T-shirts and caps. More books and a movie also are in the works, the Times reported. And now, Tennessee trade magazine publisher Tim Wilson has launched a new periodical, Y2K News Magazine, that includes tips on defending property from would-be attackers. Reaction to the y2k problem on the extreme fringes of the right has varied widely, usually depending on the religious or ideological bent of each group. Probably the most consistent theme has been a survivalist one, with ideologues warning that people must prepare for the worst. And entrepreneurs around the country have leaped to take advantage of these fears, offering for sale everything from dried foods to underground bunkers. At the Preparedness Expo 98 held in Atlanta last June, for instance, at least a dozen speakers offered bleak assessments of the coming crisis. For those who took the bait, there was a plethora of products available: water purifiers, hundreds of types of storable foods from "enzyme-rich vegetable juice extracts" to "gourmet" dehydrated fruits, seeds, herbal medicines, "Cozy Cruiser" trailers and all manner of books on survival skills. Such merchants arent the only ones pandering to millennial fear. Land, gold and medical school In Idaho, so-called "Patriot" James "Bo" Gritz hawks remote lots of land that he describes as "an ark in the time of Noah," along with a huge range of survivalist products and training. In Montana, Militia of Montana leader John Trochmann has a catalog of holocaust-survival items. In states around the country, far-right "investment counselors" sell strategies to protect ones money as civilization collapses. And on the Internet, two self-described "Christian Patriots" signing themselves Michael Johnson and Paul Byus offer "foolproof" gold certificates to a mining claim in Oregon. "We [also] have set up schools to cover kindergarten, 1st thru 12th grades, adult school, community college, 4 yr college, university, and even the medical school I told you about 6 months ago," one of the Internet salesmen claims. "Bring your kids and entire family to participate in our secure decentralized Patriot community... ." Other reactions on the extreme right run the gamut, from seeing the crisis as an opportunity for global conspirators to seize dictatorial powers, to viewing it as an opening for revolution or a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Recent examples: The New American, an organ of the ultraconservative John Birch Society, speculates that the y2k bug could be Americas Reichstag fire, a reference to the 1933 arson attack on Germanys Parliament building that was used by Hitler as an excuse to enact police state laws. "[C]ould the Millennium Bug provide an ambitious President with an opportunity to seize dictatorial powers?" the magazine asks. "Such a notion seems plausible... ." Norm Olson, a Michigan militia leader, is busy doing "wolfpack" training for the apocalypse, reports Media Bypass, a magazine popular among Patriots. "Survival is the key. As with most other people, we will rely on our self-supporting covenant community, " said Olson, who believes constitutional rights probably will be suspended before the real crisis hits. "It will be the worst time for humanity since the Noahic flood." In his AntiShyster magazine, Patriot editor Alfred Adask speaks of entire cities running out of food and of the possibility of "millions of American fatalities." "If the y2k information Ive seen is accurate, we are facing a problem of Biblical proportions," he says. "Potentially, y2k ... [is] a dagger pointed at the heart of Western Civilization." Bo Gritzs Center for Action newsletter, describing y2k as "a pandemic electronic virus more deadly than AIDS," predicts "worldwide chaos" and then goes on to offer lots for sale at Gritzs "Almost Heaven" community. "If Y-2-K has the predicted effect ... we can expect to see, out of the ashes of decimated fiat systems and economic chaos, the rise of a MONEY MESSIAH, who will offer a miraculous fix to a bleeding, begging world," Gritz adds. He also predicts imposition of a worldwide "electronic currency." Writing in The Jubilee, the leading periodical of the racist and anti-Semitic Christian Identity religion, correspondent Chris Temple says that "the net result of the Year 2000 problem as I have described it will be POSITIVE! Internationalism and capitalism will be dealt severe blows; efforts to recapture local control ... will spread." In his Patriot Report, Identity proselytizer George Eaton concludes: "We need to act as if our lives depend upon our decisions, because they do. What can we do? Continue to work and save up money for survival items. ... A person can never be over-prepared." In a July Internet posting on a Klan news page, a contributor described as a computer programmer demands that the federal government "surrender" in return for programmers assistance in fixing the y2k bug. The posting speaks of "the thousands (probably millions) joining us in our rural retreats. Weve got the bibles, the beans, the bandages, the bullets -- and the brains. ... You will reap what you have sewn [sic]. ... Some cities will indeed end in flames -- flames that will light a path to our posteritys freedom." From fallout shelters to y2k Interestingly, one of the most salient commentators on the y2k problem -- a man often quoted in the mainstream press -- has been Gary North. North is a hard-line opponent of abortion and a theocratic thinker who advocates imposing biblical law on the United States. In his books, he has written of the possibility of a "political and military" confrontation "in the philosophical war against political pluralism." Although he is widely described as a y2k "expert," he is also something of a professional doomsayer. In 1986, long before the y2k problem came to public attention, North co-authored a book on how to survive nuclear Armageddon. Called Fighting Chance: Ten Feet to Survival, it features a shovel -- for digging fallout shelters -- on its cover. Norths huge y2k Web site has made him into a guru to many extremists. The neo-Nazi Aryan Nations is one of many groups that link their Web sites to that of North. "These are people who are super-sensitive to anything that suggests the collapse of social institutions," Michael Barkun, a Syracuse University expert on millennialism, said of y2k fearmongers. "Since nuclear war really is no longer out there as a terribly likely way for civilization to end, theyve got to find something else. y2k is convenient." Many experts, including Barkun and the FBIs Blitzer, agree that extremists fears and hopes surrounding y2k have increased the danger of domestic terrorism. "It adds to apocalyptic fears," says Chip Berlet, who studies the far right for Cambridge-based Political Research Associates. "Therefore, it adds to the potential for violence." James Wickstrom may best illustrate that potential. At the meeting he co-hosted with Identity leader August Kreis in Ulysses, Pa., he warned his audience -- several clad in Aryan Nations uniforms -- that auth The enemy, said Wickstrom, must be "exterminated." He must be "shot." He must be "hanged." "The battle is upon us," Wickstrom bellowed. "Battle!"

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Re: Throwing Sand into the All-Seeing Eye (further ideas)
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Snipped some musings about throwing the NSA a lot of worthless bones to chew on... >We could rotate the tags around, but if we send too many of these, they can >throw you into the above category. > >You could post them anonymously, which makes it much harder for them catalog, >so they will be forced to look at the traffic, when and if, they need to search >it. > >You could have some program randomly alter your email address, but patterns >would be found to filter you out that way. > >We could also use remailers to create lots of cover traffic going to >/dev/null. This would be far more interesting, especially if we add some sort >of poetry writer that spits out spook talk and update it occasionally with >current event keywords. Then again, they could filter the messages that go to >/dev/null, or find patterns in the spook poetry generators... > Now how about instead of dev/null you periodically create free e-mail accounts at hotmail, juno, etc, and send the mail to these "real" addresses. That should give them a little more work at sorting through the chaff. I f there were say 5,000 accounts on each of the top ten free mail sites receiving say 500 chaff letters every day for a month before switching to new account names that would amount to about 25,000,000 mails per day on accounts that would just disappear after awhile. Anyone know how many anonymous remailers there are? I wonder if these bots could be thrown in to help generate the cover traffic to boost anonymity with out sucking up all the available bandwidth. It would seem that this would help address two problems. The problem of insufficient cover traffic on the anonymous remailers and the issue of keeping the jerks at the NSA so busy sniffing up junk that they become less effective at snooping on legitimate communications. Certainly the load of 5,000 bogus accounts on hotmail, which has reportedly in excess of 20 million accounts, would be minimal. I think the biggest issue is whether or not there are sufficient resources to generate this volume of mail through a wide enough re-mailer base to thwart filtering without identifying any particular group of people as the originators of the letters. I think a long term surge of 25 million letters per day which meet their snoop standards would have to create some kind of a bogging effect on their capacities. I don't know what the real numbers are but it might be interesting if say 50 million or fewer total e-mails per day are "captured" for storage by the spooks on a normal day. At that level a surge of 25 million per day would be a 50% increase for handling. What would be the response of the NSA? Some will say that it would be no big deal for the NSA since they could just add more hardware. But I think that any time we can make the haystack significantly bigger that should theoretically make the needle harder to find. And since Cpunks aren't criminals we certainly wouldn't be creating more needles! APF

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XS4ALL
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems that XS4ALL has been bought by KPN (The Dutch Telco) -aj-

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Comrade Klinton at it again
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Comrade Klinton just started another bombing run, curiously after it became widely known that the impeachment hearings wouldn't be delayed until next week. So far, every target hit has been in camera range. NBC said that the Iranian Embassy might have been hit by a Tomahawk.

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