December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance"
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guy skribis: > What are the most elegant rebuttals to politicians saying we > need Key Recovery as a "reasonable balance between the needs of > law enforcement vs. freedom of crypto"? I don't know how elegant it is, but here's my response: Compromising the public's right to privacy gives away not only our own rights, but those of our descendants. The government must make an extraordinary case to justify undermining those rights, and so far it has not done so. The most detailed research on the issue is a study by Dorothy Denning and William Baugh investigating the extent to which crypto has interfered with law enforcement's ability to get convictions: their bottom line was that crypto has not in fact interfered: law enforcement has been able to complete their investigations using other means. There's no demonstrated need for Government Access to Crypto Keys (GACK), so there's no need to compromise away our privacy. Jim Gillogly jim(a)acm.org

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RE: The Doors: Strange Days #3
by doorlist＠doors.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WELCOME to The Doors Collectors Magazines Strange Days News Emailer Vol. 3 The Celebration Has Just Begun! STRANGE DAYS MEMORABILIA NEWS ITEMS: Congratulations to the five Doors Autographed Box Set winners! These Doors box sets were signed by Ray, John, and Robby on the front cover of the inside book and were given away to random people from our Strange Days Email List. The winners were: Jim Kearns (Camillus, NY), Ainslee Rogers (Hamilton, Canada), Suzie Williams (Harrogate, TN), and Barry Abbott (Ermington, Austrailia), and Laura Pritchett (Missoula, MT). This contest added over 1,000 people to our email list, so watch out for promotions similar to this in the future! The Doors Tour Equipment from our last emailer is still available. One envious person on the net is saying that these items aren't authentic... Vince Treanor (The Doors Road Manager) wanted me to pass along the message that he would be happy to talk to any prospective buyers who believe this bullshit. Call me to set up a three way call to Vince. Prospective buyers only please! Recently lots of new memorabilia items have turned up due to the release of the box set. The rest of this issue of the Strange Days News Emailer is dedicated solely to new items that are both "Wanted" and are "For Sale". If you arent into collecting Doors memorabilia, you still might want to read on; Ive tried to put a little news into each entry. Enjoy! For more info about how to order, please go to: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/ STRANGE DAYS MEMORABILIA ITEMS FOR SALE: *** The Doors Albums on Postage Stamps! Late last month the island of St. Vincent issued a set of six stamps which commemorated the 30th anniversary of The Doors first LP. Never before has any country issued such a complete set of stamps to honor an artists complete catalogue of studio material before! Each stamp for each Doors album! The Doors Collectors Magazine has a number of these stamp sets available right now for $10 per sheet (eight stamps per sheet.) While supplies last we will also give you a FREE collector portfolio ($20 value) to keep your stamps in if you buy the complete set of six stamps at the same time ($60 + $4.50 s&h). For more information, please see: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/other/sv_stamp.html *** Autographed Box Sets (w/ Ray, John, and Robbys sigs) We have a few of them available for sale at $175 plus postage. Please email first because our supply wont last long! *** "A New Epitaph For Pere-Lachaise" Poster with poem by Jan Eloise Morris. This 24x36 poster is in its fourth year of world-wide distribution. The photograph was taken in 1968 by Doors photographer, Paul Ferrara. Jim was captured in a rare moment with sunlight falling on his shoulders in front of the Observatory in Griffith Park in Los Angeles, California. The poster's publication in 1994 marked the only time another artist's poetry has been authorized to appear with Morrison's image. Jans association with The Doors Collectors Magazine affords us the exclusive opportunity to offer signed, dated copies only through this web site. Price: $20 includes shipping U.S. (please add $5 for delivery outside of the U.S.) For more information, please see: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/posters/epitaph.html *** "My Eyes Have Seen You" The most visually important book on The Doors that was ever published is now available through The Doors Collectors Magazine! This limited edition book (of 1,500 copies) was put together by Jerry Prochnicky (author, Break On Through) and Joe Russo (lead singer, The Soft Parade). 150 pages of both color and B&W photos. Highly recommended! Price: $20 (plus $4.50 s&h) For more information, please see: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/books/myeyes.html *** Autographed 5" x 7" B&W Promotional Photo of The Doors signed by all four Doors: Given away to members of The Doors official fan club back in 1968. Very rare! Framed. Excellent condition. While some of these photos have been suspect to not being all theyre cracked up to be, this one comes with Doors Collectors Magazine Guarantee & Certificate of Authenticity. Price: $2,500 (plus $4.50 s&h) *** Original "Jim Morrison Film Festival" / HWY Poster Even if you dont want (or cant afford) this poster, you have to check it out! It is the most incredible original Jim Morrison poster ever made and one of the rarest! This poster was folded as it was stored so it does have damage, but looks great framed even still. Price: $2,200 (plus $4.50 s&h) For more information, please see: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/posters/hwyposter.html *** An American Prayer Acetate. We have a private collection that we are offering for sale which includes test pressings of An American Prayer LP. These copies came from someone who was directly responsible for many production decisions on the An American Prayer LP release. Acetates are temporary albums good for playing only a few times that are necessary to check how the sound will be when the tape gets pressed onto the actual vinyl. There are probably only these copies for the entire An American Prayer release in existence! Both have their original Capital Records Mastering Jackets and are individually are described below: Copy #1: dated 9-20-78 Exc. Condition. One double sided album that contains all songs. Price $500 (plus $4.50 s&h) Copy #2: dated 10-13-78 Exc. Condition. A pair of two single sided albums that are missing two songs on each side. Price: $650 (plus $4.50 s&h) For a complete listing of ALL OTHER items from this same private collection, check out: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/museum/private_collection.html *** The Church of The Doors Deadly Doorknell If youre a hard core Doors fan youll remember former Church of The Doors High Mojomuck, Anthony Spurlock when he made headlines in 1992 inside Newsweek magazine. He also made news again when he single handedly thwarted off a public attack from radio station evangelist, Bob Larson. Sadly after this the church closed its doors forever. For years Ive been trying to get permission to reprint these. Finally Ive done it! You can now obtain quality reprints direct from the masters of their best (and last) two issues (Spring 1992 & Winter 1992-93) for the same $5 each (plus postage) that they originally cost. For more information on The Church, check out the new article on our websites On-Line Magazine written back in 1993 for our first printed magazine by their High Mojomuck, Anthony Spurlock located at: http://www.doors.com/magazine/ To read more about the actual Church of the Doors fanzines (The Deadly Doorknell) go to: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/fanzines *** Oakley Krieger Band performing LIVE w/ Robby Krieger at the Whisky-A-Go-Go in Los Angeles (3-15-97) It's their complete performance on videoand what a great performance! The OK Band features Robby Kriegers son Waylon on guitars and Berry Oakleys son, Berry Oakley Jr. on vocals. Videotaped and produced by the OK Band, this electrifying performance is now available on video tapes that are autographed on their label by both Waylon and Berry! Price: $25 (plus $4.50 s&h) Autographed copies available at no extra charge only while supplies last! For more information, please go to: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/videos/OKBand.html *** FREE LIVE SHOW TAPE*** During the months of February & March if you mention this ad, we will give one FREE 90 minute cassette volume from our trade list with every $100 spent on Doors MEMORABILIA from our list at: http://www.doors.com/door_mem/ Or you can check out our list of LIVESHOW audio cassette tapes for trade at: http://www.doors.com/liveshow/ *** ATTENTION EUROPEAN DOORS FANS*** We now have capabilities to dub our trade videos directly in PAL at no additional trade value. *** Original hard cover copies of Wild Child by Linda Ashcroft were pulled from the shelves in the UK when its controversial writings were challenged in court. Linda informed The Doors Collectors Magazine that her publisher will be re-issuing an edited book in paperback form sometime in mid-June. If any of you have *hardcover copies* for sale, please email me! *** MEMORABILIA ITEMS WANTED: If you have any of these items and are interested in selling them at a reasonable price or if you have an item that youre looking for and would like to have it included on our next "Want List", please call or email me your price or price range! I have tentative buyers for all of the following items. BOOKS WANTED "Riders On The Storm" Audio Book "Jim Morrison & The Doors" book by Mike Jahn "The American Night" Hard Cover (only) book by Jim Morrison "Wild Child" hard cover book by Linda Ashcroft All privately published editions of all three of Morrisons poetry books LPS WANTED (Exc condition or better only) Doors: "13" LP Doors: "Absolutely Live" LP Doors: "Full Circle" LP Doors: "Other Voices" LP Doors: "Strange Days" LP (mono issue only) Doors: "The Doors" LP (mono issue only) Doors: "Waiting For The Sun" LP (mono issue only) Doors: "Weird Scenes Inside The Goldmine" LP Doors: "LA Woman" LP (original issue only) Doors: "The Doors movie soundtrack" LP Ray Manzareks "Carmina Burana" LP Ray Manzareks "Nite City Golden Days Diamond Nights" LP Ray Manzareks "Nite City" LP "Comfortable Chair" LP "Phantoms Divine Comedy" LP "Phantoms Lost Album" LP Any PROMO issued LPs for The Doors or the solo members OTHER DOORS ITEMS WANTED: 1968 Doors Tour Book All Doors Bootleg LPs and CDs Doors RIAA Gold & Platinum Awards "Tribute to Jim Morrison" Video "Dance On Fire" Video Doors Tickets or Ticket Stubs (esp. Miami 69) All Doors 45s that have Picture Sleeves (both foreign & domestic) Any Doors 8-Track Tapes (exc cond. only) OTHER NON-DOORS ITEMS WANTED: Milkwood: "Hows The Weather" LP 3-D Stereo Cameras or Projectors 3-D Stereo Cards or Slides Collectable Cameras THIS IS THE END MY FRIEND... TILL NEXT TIME! Kerry (kerry(a)doors.com) The Doors Collectors Magazine c/o TDM Inc PO Box 1441 Orem, UT 84059 *********** Thanks you for reading The Doors Collectors Magazine's Strange Days Email Newsletter. It is sent ONLY to subscribers. If you were subscribed by someone other than yourself and wish to be removed from our list please 1) accept our apologies and 2) return this message back to doorlist(a)doors.com with "REMOVE" in the subject line or go to http://www.doors.com/cgi-bin/email_list.cgi and unsubscribe. ***********

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:13:00 -0800 (PST) > From: mark(a)unicorn.com > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) wrote: > >If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market software > >or much else for that matter. > > So I presume that Linux doesn't exist[1]? And, for that matter, I make my > living writing software which is given away for free... > > [1] Yes, I'm aware the GPL uses copyright to enforce its conditions, but > it's copright-free in the important sense: anyone can copy Linux and use > it with no fear of black ninjas at their door. A couple of other points. I've never claimed the monopolization would exist over nite or that it wouldn't be filled with short term conflicts and ups-n-downs. Only that the *long-term* result is a monopolized market. A point you seem to gloss over as irrelevant. Let's give the market another 5-10 years and see where Linux stands. Right now the estimate is 6-10 million users world wide use it. Share wise that isn't a lot. The reason that Linux garners so much press right now is that it is in fact an exception when an organization uses the software (eg NASA). The test will be whether it grows significantly over the long run and not the 5 years that Linux has been a serious os. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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slashdot.org news update...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.slashdot.org/ > John Ousterhout leaves SunScript Contributed by CmdrTaco on Thu Feb 5 > 23:38:53 1998 EST > [Sun Microsystems] From the other-disappearing-acts Dept > Markus Fleck (aka python) wrote in to say "John Ousterhout, author of > the Tcl language and the Tk toolkit, also of Spring OS fame, has left > SunScript to form his own company, called Scriptics, to promote the > use and further development of Tcl. - I suppose that Sun didn't find > paying for Tcl development worthwhile any more, because there has > hardly been any revenue from it yet (even the source for the Tcl > Plugin for web browsers was made freely available when a poll showed > that too few people would be willing to pay for being able to execute > "Tclets" in their browsers)." > Be x86 Coming Contributed by CmdrTaco > [Be] Thu Feb 5 16:26:43 1998 EST > From the mr-be-sharp dept. > Sean Simmons wrote in to tell us that BeOS for x86 should be released > at SD98. Check out this TechWeb Story for more details. I would love > to get my hands on a copy. > Read More... > 21 comment(s) > Should Netscape Sell Linux? Contributed by Justin > [Netscape] Thu Feb 5 16:11:27 1998 EST > From the not-a-bad-idea dept. > An article at the Boston Globe presents an interesting solution to > Netscape's recent losses in the browser war. The author suggests > Netscape create and sell their own Linux distribution, the reason > being that Microsoft will be able to leverage their control of the > operating system for some time. Read on. > Read More... > 38 comment(s) > 2600 In Danger Contributed by CmdrTaco > Thu Feb 5 10:56:14 1998 EST > From the sounds-familiar dept. > I)ruid wrote in to say " 2600 The Hacker Quarterly, has recently been > having financial problems due to it's previous distributor. To find > out the whole story, check out this page. 2600 needs our help, but > will not accept donations. However, there is a LOT of merchandice in > stock, and buying up their overstock will definately help, as well as > going down to your local bookstore and requesting that they carry > 2600. So if you appreciate 2600 as much as I do, let's help give them > the help they need." My sentiments exactly. > Read More... > 8 comment(s) > Cooking pot markets Contributed by CmdrTaco > Thu Feb 5 10:27:02 1998 EST > From the must-read dept. > Hackworth sent us a link to an article entitled Cooking pot markets. > The article is an extremely good read, and addresses issues like What > Motiviates Free Software guys. I suspect most of us free software guys > already know what is said here, but this article puts it very clearly > for people who might understand it a bit less can be clued it. > Read More... > 3 comment(s) > Des2, Bovine and Slashdot Contributed by CmdrTaco > [Encryption] Thu Feb 5 10:09:40 1998 EST > From the bits-and-bytes dept. > Distributed.net has been working hard to crack the Des2 contest inside > the 22 day limit, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen, > despite Team Slashdot's rising in the ranks to #13. Thanks to the > 125-150 of you who have been contributing keys in our name! > Editorials > > Slashdot is participating in RC5. Read who's helping, and why. Check > out Our Current Rank. > > Read Rob's Solution to the Browser Battle and a followup with comments > from a Netscape Engineer. Interesting especially now that Netscape > Agreed! ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Changing to Moderated Cypherpunks -- How?
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Soon I won't see you anymore, using the moderated list. > Thu Feb 5 20:22:33 1998 > Dimitry "Totally Impotent Since Prostrate Operation" The Dim wrote: > > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes: > > > Information Security <guy(a)panix.com> > > > I'd be glad to handle it. > > > > > > The only criteria is to delete Dr. Dim and his nyms. > > > > How are you going to recognize Dimitri's nyms if he has any. > > Guy Polis thinks that anyone smarter than him (and that's 99.99% of the > population) is my tentacle. He thinks everything on this list except > him and Timmy May is my tentacle, including you too, Adam. > > Guy Polis (guy(a)panix.com, eviljay(a)bway.net) is a pedophile child > molester who was fired from his consulting position at Salomon Brothers > after he was caught masturbating in his cubicle at the child pornography > JPEGs that he downloaded from the Internet. > > In retaliation, Guy Polis spammed the firewalls mailing list with megabytes > of e-mail logs that he "intercepted" at Salomon Brothers, and accused > several of his former co-workers and supervisors of various crimes. > > As far as I can determine, Guy Polis has been unemployed since the time > he was fired from Salomon. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. All you'll get is resounding silence, especially since you're so clueless as to get my name wrong: hint...not even 'guy' is correct. What a loser! You must love everyone seeing the old traffic analysis report on you: You'll have to go to URL 'www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml' to pick it up. Select "old database" and use this in their search box: ~g soc.culture.jewish & ~dc 1997/08/04 & ~s Brighton Beach Perhaps it should be updated and delivered to everyone in your neighborhood and the building you give classes in? You're just a ButtHead who never grew up, still gets a kick out of saying "cocksucker". Your brother Michael had to do your math thesis for you! ---guy You couldn't even cut it in Manhatten.

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Test (cypherpunks@minder.net) [No Reply Please]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Test [No Reply Please] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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new CDR node
by BMM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A cypherpunks distributed list node is now available at cypherpunks(a)minder.net. I would appreciate it if the current CDR ops would add a feed to this address. Thanks. -BMM - bmm(a)minder.net

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17 Dec '03

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by MAILER-DAEMON＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Software Money
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: FW: SEC Rule Announcement
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Fri Feb 6 14:41:14 1998 > > Peter is quite right that the interesting part is HOME computers. It's the > Electronic Messaging Association, BTW. My article with comments from them, > SEC, NASD, ACLU, etc. is at: > > http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1731,00.html > > The SEC may have approved a rule that violates federal law. > > -Declan It was quite unnecessary: all a company has to do is require all company business email contact go through the company's systems, even if home. Furthermore, brokers send email during the work day - like the list of AXEs they have for that day - and send it in the morning. Home email directly to clients is basically non-existent. ---- Stange, how monitoring home email to third parties would be illegal, but Deutsche Bank showing up at a random time to demand (and watch) you give a urine sample is completely legal. ---guy

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STOA Report Bibliography
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've transcribed the 26-page bibliography of STOA's "An Appraisal of the Technologies of Political Control:" http://jya.com/stoa-bib.htm (85K) Zipped version: http://jya.com/stoa-bib.zip (32K) The substantiating details of the cited literature -- study after study of the consequences of inhumane policy and savage commerce eager to oblige it -- are grimmer than the main report. A steady drumbeat for ever more ingenious technology to enforce submission.

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Krauts Weaken Constitutional Privacy
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BONN, Germany (AP) -- Germany reduced constitutional guarantees of privacy Friday to fight organized crime, ceding historical concerns over past dictatorships to present-day realities. By a one-vote margin, parliament's upper house approved changes to the constitution necessary for eventual passage of a law allowing electronic surveillance in private households. Before approving the measure, however, the opposition Social Democrats won a promise that a parliamentary committee would re-examine the proposed law to include protection for some groups -- including journalists, doctors and some lawyers. The proposed law has raised warnings about reviving the police state tactics of the Nazi regime and former communist East Germany. Mostly, though, critics are worried about breaching confidentiality essential to some professions, such as doctors. Outside of government, journalists and doctors have been the most vocal critics of the draft law, which currently shields conversations between suspects and clergy, parliamentarians, and defense lawyers. Journalists view the proposed law as an attack on press freedom. ``It's not about privilege for journalists,'' the chairman of the German Journalist Association, Hermann Meyn, wrote in an open letter to parliament. ``It's about protection of news room secrets, essential press freedoms.'' The vote Friday weakened the constitutional guarantee of the sanctity of ones home by defining situations when police could bug homes: during investigation of serious crimes -- such as murder, kidnapping, extortion, arms and drug trafficking -- with the approval of three judges. The changes necessary for the law also would allow electronic eavesdropping on suspects after a crime has been committed -- not just to prevent crime -- and for the first time allows information from bugging devices to be entered as evidence. Organized crime has risen sharply in Europe since the collapse of communist regimes in Russia and Eastern Europe, which loosened previously closed borders. Drug trafficking, car theft and smuggling of cigarettes, illegal immigrants and even nuclear material has increased. The law must be passed by both houses of parliament. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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The schizophrenic White House and the Internet
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: The schizophrenic White House and the Internet Carl makes a good point. When it comes to the Internet, the Clinton-Gore administration is schizophrenic. Ira Magaziner and other White House officials say their attitude towards the Internet is "hands off" and "deregulatory" -- a line that certainly makes for good copy from journalists who don't know any better and don't take the time to learn more. But in truth White House policy is far from hands off. Here are a few areas where the Clinton-Gore administration is calling for greater regulation, subsidies, taxes, and government control of the Internet and related technology: -- Criminal copyright (share software, go to jail) -- Encryption regulations (export ctrls and proposed domestic rules) -- CALEA / Digital Telephony wiretapping funding -- Gore Commission talking about extending FCC rules to Net -- Universal service (taxes and spending for Net access) -- Rating systems (Clinton: "every Internet site" should self-label) -- Net-taxation (has Clinton enorsed Cox-Wyden?) -- Rapacious government databases (DoD recently demanded more access) -- Subsidies for government-approved technologies -- FTC considering banning spam (what about technical solutions?) -- FTC actions on "children's privacy" -- Clinton calling for V-Chip for Internet These are hardly the actions of a deregulatory administration. -Declan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:33:44 -0500 From: Carl Ellison <cme(a)cybercash.com> To: declan(a)well.com Subject: Re: FC: Magaziner says "No regulation!" at Cato-Brookings event -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Of course, this means gov't hands off crypto policy, too, right? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQCVAwUBNNtzpxN3Wx8QwqUtAQFYHwP/XpBnkplWMZpc0bIfbNhEnlhzmUsXyMXa rjfgnJGW8jX31fkbXZqcILcURPA31HfHu0K8y/FmmcoD5rcz9my3J785EL5903iS gwm2zvF2uKMdIqACF7BP2pb1bmJvJYWWqXQP7SNjkQpbzFz0XGF4LHAFhbPf24Tw e7694fdXoc4= =vK41 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |CyberCash, Inc. http://www.cybercash.com/ | |207 Grindall Street PGP 08FF BA05 599B 49D2 23C6 6FFD 36BA D342 | |Baltimore MD 21230-4103 T:(410) 727-4288 F:(410)727-4293 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Fingerprinting in CA [was Whoa: British SmartCard rollout]
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From bill.stewart(a)pobox.com Fri Feb 6 18:50:28 1998 > > >> How did you CA cypherpunks feel about being fingerprinted? > > Well, if I'd been thinking about it, I'd have put some rubber cement and > whiteout on my thumb before getting the license :-) > More the issue at the time was that the politicians were > busy deciding that your ability to drive safely obviously depended > on whether your citizenship papers were in order (the month > I got it they'd temporarily stopped doing that.) But it is being rolled out all over, state-by-state, never a vote. They don't have problems with illegal aliens in Georgia, USA. A mercifully brief CM excerpt: * Dr. Linda Thompson: * YOUR STATE IS NEXT AND DON'T THINK OTHERWISE. Sandia and other defense * contractors, without a war elsewhere, are OUT OF WORK, so they're * creating job security for themselves by helping fascists wage war in the * United States on us and our rights!! * * Georgia, Texas and Oregon ALREADY require fingerprints for licenses. > California is already fingerprinting drivers, and many places outside of > the US are creating identity cards with barcoded information. > > Also, AmSouth and Compass Banks will soon introduce fingerprinting of > people who cash checks and have no account with their bank. This is > now standard practice in Texas and will soon be nation-wide. Oregon? It's like Wired magazine reported: the NSA is behind it all. The DMV records are online 24 hours for FBI access. > I recently renewed the license, and they didn't ask for papers > or thumbprints... They already got your number. When will some group express organized opposition to this? ---guy Your fingerprint tattoo.

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Fwd: e-commerce and rights management list
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This showed up on a bunch of lists, not including cypherpunks or cryptography; Phil Agre added some interesting commentary and sent it to the Red Rock Eater list so I'm forwarding that version. >From: Phil Agre <pagre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> >To: rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu >Subject: e-commerce and rights management >X-URL: http://communication.ucsd.edu/pagre/rre.html >X-Mailing-List: <rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> archive/latest/1815 > >[When Judie sent me the announcement for her new mailing list on practical >aspects of deploying rights management and e-commerce technologies, I >was incredulous that such a list doesn't already exist. She persuaded me >by means of the following catalog of related lists, which may be of some >interest. I assume that you can track down subscription info with the >standard search tools. encryption/certificates: ieft-pkix, ieft-open-pgp, >ieft-ldapext, cert-talk, spki, kerberos, dcsb, alice; digital signatures: >temple, california, georgia, texas; copyright: cni-copyright, ecup; legal: >cyberia, law-ipr, euro-lex; rights: cyber-rights, web-rights; e-commerce: >e-commerc, ica, e-payments; digital libraries: liblicensing, diglib, ifla.] > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). >Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. >You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use >the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions >for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:36:26 -0500 (EST) >From: Judie Mulholland <judiemul(a)kc-inc.net> >Subject: announcing E-CARM, a new mailing list (fwd) > >[...] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Announcing the creation of a new mailing list: > > ***E-COMMERCE AND RIGHTS MANAGEMENT (E-CARM)*** > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This mailing list has been established to foster and support an on-line >discussion forum where we can: > > * debate (non) technical, administrative and managerial issues > pertaining to: secure transactions, competing rights management > models (e.g. ECMS, PICS, certificates, FIRM, etc.), evolving > standards, supporting technologies and other approaches for > enabling electronic commerce; > * inform each other about upcoming conferences, workshops, etc. > * point to online papers, resources/links, new apps, web > sites, etc. > * identify the critical factors relevant to design, development > and implementation of a rights management infrastructure; > * raise questions, share problems, relate concerns; > * share success/horror stories; > * and much, much more ... > >If you are interested in subscribing to this list, please send a message >to: > ><listproc(a)lists.fsu.edu> > >with the following line in body of the message (NOT the subject): > >subscribe e-carm "FirstName LastName" (without the quotation marks) > >and after you are notified that you have been subbed, we would ask that >you send a short note to the list, briefly introducing yourself and your >interests in e-commerce and rights management so that we can begin to come >together as a community of shared interest(s). > >E-CARM is intended to be a member-driven, open, collaborative mailing >list. However, its success in creating a viable on-line forum will >depend on individual contributions. As a step in this direction, we >encourage you to share this announcement with other mailing lists or >anyone who may be interested in getting involved. > >Looking forward to seeing all of you on E-CARM, > >Judie Mulholland >Rajiv Kaushik > >List Moderators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Lets check this out
by sphantom 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is something for us to check out. Was just emailed to me today. I am curious how this person does it. Dear Friends, If someone named SandMan asks you to check out his page on the WEB DO NOT!!! It is at www.geocities.com/vienna/6318 This page hacks into your C:/ drive. DO NOT GO THERE HE WILL REQUEST A CHAT WITH YOU....don't do it. FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE...

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Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance"
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What are the most elegant rebuttals to politicians saying we need Key Recovery as a "reasonable balance between the needs of law enforcement vs. freedom of crypto"? I wasn't too elegant in the Crypto Manifesto. ---guy

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Global Ethics Cosmosofy
by Kurt Bantelmann 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: Cypherpunks, editor. We are impressed by your social commitment on the Internet and think you may find that Global Ethics Cosmosofy would even better support your activities and spiritual concerns since universal values have precedence over limited group moral codes in cases of conflict and its peaceful resolution in a cooperating information oriented and interdependent world community. The better arguments can be yours free, to be viewed on the Cosmosofy Institute Foundation website: <http: //www.cosmosofy.org/> But there is more to it: (1) Global Ethics and the overall doctrine tentatively termed COSMOSOFY (similar to 'globalism') will not only assist you in ethics to identify the higher and highest values to which priority consideration must be given in each case, in particular where a psychological or social conflict has to be resolved rationally and peacefully. It also helps to avoid and cure psychic disorders most of which are attributable to dogmatic indoctrination methods during childhood but which tend to remain unconscious, since people usually deny they feel indoctrinated. A severe conflict potential for humanity in the present historical moment is its more or less unconscious subjugation to outdated arbitrary moral precepts and codes imposed and indoctrinated during adolescence (where spiritual maturity is low), thus obstructing later undogmatic moral and ethical updating flexibility and development. However, any change of this unwholesome and dangerous situation is considered a political TABOO for social and cultic stability reasons and social control in the absence of GLOBAL ETHICS and a UNIVERSAL UNDOGMATIC RELIGION, although now possible at this historical junction. Cosmosofy Universal Ethics provides interdisciplinary thinking and action patterns, not of the usual type of non-merging interdisciplinary exchange programs but of the new type to be merged in ones own mind which is now accessible for everybody due to interactive feedback information structures. (2) COSMOSOFY UNIVERSAL ETHICS Subject: Interdisciplinary, linking religion, law, sociology, philosophy, politics, sciences. The so far missing universal ethics is provided by the interdisciplinarian author Bert Tellan, founder of COSMOSOFY and undogmatic religion (Cyber-Religion) as a doctrine designed to constitute the so far missing foundation for the legal and religious system's priority values in a peacefully cooperating and closely communicating global community. So far mankind was dependent only on particularistic morals that were mutually exclusive and could therefore not be validated universally: of importance for peace, conflict resolution competence and qualification, and ecological issues. (3) You will find that Global Ethics Cosmosofy & Undogmatic Religion has been constructed with the aim to solve dogmatic 'religions' (regarded as cults acc. to Kant if used as an end in itself instead of a means)seen as a social PROBLEM (to be solved instead of being merely studied) for a modern global society and world culture in order to avoid continuing antagonism instead of promoting real peace in the sense of absolute pacifism. So far nations, cultures or religious organizations favored peace conditionally under their own moral terms (excepting the need of holy for Islamic or just wars for Christians). This is no longer possible in a world saturated with means of push-button mass destruction. In this historical context dogmatic religious cult is no longer seen as an unending study subject for scientifically detached sociologists or psychologists of religion (just wondering as William James did at the great variety of religions) while making a living from it and get research funds - while, on the other end, no church or other educational institution ever bothered to even make an attempt of funding the 'further development or advancement of religion and of religiousness'. All the while the Advancement of Science is considered a respectable institution: another grave cultural inconsistency we have been indoctrinated not to notice. To the contrary, all through history any 'further development of religious thought' was condemned, persecuted as heretic or apostasy, philosophers or reformers (including Jesus) having been murdered to this day. This is due to a flawed idea of unchanging 'religion' (=false religion) which is to be regarded as a problem and not as an endless subject of study or even of tolerance while cannibalism and illiteracy are also no longer being tolerated, in the very name of an improved, in-depth understanding of dynamic religion. The solution, thus, does not advocate atheism, non-belief or arbitrary values as is wrongly suggested for post-modernism, since, quite to the contrary, the arbitrariness of cultural relativistic values is hereby overcome having the whole of humanity, individual justice and human rights for all in mind, and not for some privileged classes or groups only. And thus to establish true peace for mankind and be prepared for a new era of common cosmic adventure or communication instead of continuous strife with the risk of self-extinction. View the Cosmosofy Institute Foundation Website (featuring around 100 new articles on unresolved modern and prognosticized issues and the consistent application of global ethics to their solution in each case): <http: //www.cosmosofy.org/> Cosmosofy Institute Foundation. Kurt C. Bantelmann, editor. More details on request. Fax:(49)211.489533. E-mail: 106562.2403(a)compuserve.com

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Make $50,000+ through the mail for FREE!
by ASCOM＠hx3em6.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: GET LEGAL CASH IN MAIL W/ ONLY $5.00 READ THIS YOU WON'T BE SORRY, I WASN'T This will be the quickest way to get cash in the mail.If you follow these instructions carefully, you will be able to receive within two months nearly $50,000.00. The great part is is that $5.00 isn't really a whole lot and it could just be worth a try. I am currently 6 months pregnant and my husband and I are in debt. We both have really good professions but he has massive student loans and credit card bills (I was lucky and my father helped me through college). Needless to say, since we are married to one another I acquired his debt also. In any case, I followed these easy steps thinking that I really had nothing to lose and guess what? The first week I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon. The money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $20.00 to $30.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in ....... You send $1.00 to each of the 5 names and address stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) and that is all. Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, Why it works....also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. The process is very simple and consists of 3 easy steps: Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Seriously, your story will sound like this one if you participate by doing the following: STEP 1: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write your address on each piece of paper along with "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 5 $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 5 pieces of paper so th e bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 5 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 5 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL! Mail the 5 envelopes to the following addresses: #1 Corey McNear 233 Olive st. West Reading, PA 19611 #2 R. M. 66 Navesink Drive Monmouth Beach, NJ 07750 #3 Sam 27248 Grano Avenue Saugus, CA 91350 #4 Pat anderson 41 pilote st-ambroise Pq #5 Nick Austin 12318 Dollar Lk dr Fenton, MI 48430-9734 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (2 becomes 1, 3 becomes 2, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 5 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there is close to 18,000 groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! Don't know HOW to post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the following: FOR NETSCAPE USERS: 1) Click on any newsgroup, like normal. Then click on "To News", which is in the top left corner of the newsgroup page. This will bring up a message box. 2) Fill in the SUBJECT with a flashy title, like the one I used, something to catch the eye!!! 3) Now go to the message part of the box and retype this letter exactly as it is here, with exception of your few changes. (remember to add your name to number 5 and move the rest up) 6 4) When your done typing in the WHOLE letter, click on 'FILE' above the send button. Then, 'SAVE AS..' DO NOT SEND YOUR ARTICLE UNTILL YOU SAVE IT. (so you don't have toype this 200 times :-) 5) Now that you have saved the letter, go ahead and send your first copy! (click the 'SEND' button in the top left corner) 6) This is where you post all 200! OK, go to ANY newsgroup article and click the 'TO NEWS' button again. Type in your flashy subject in the 'SUBJECT BOX', then go to the message and place your cursor here. Now click on 'ATTACHMENT' which is right below the 'SUBJECT BOX'. Click on attach file then find your letter wherever you saved it. Click once on your file then click 'OPEN' then click 'OK'. If you did this right , you should see your filename in the 'ATTACHMENT BOX' and it will be shaded. NOW POST AWAY! FOR INTERNET EXPLORER: It's just as easy, holding down the left mouse button, highlight this entire article, then press the 'CTRL' key and 'C' key at the same time to copy this article. Then print the article for your records to have the names of those you will be sending $1.00 to. Go to the newsgroups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE' type in your flashy subject and click the large window below. Press 'CTRL' and 'V' and the article will appear in the message window. **BE SURE TO MAKE YOUR ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE 5 NAMES.** Now re-highlight the article and re-copy it so you have the changes.... then all you have to do for each newsgroup is 'CTRL' and 'V' and press 'POST'. It's that easy!! THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** **If these instructions are too complex to follow, try Forte's "Free Agent." It is freeware for noncommercial use. To download it, simply use a search utility and type "Forte Free Agent". You should be able to find it.** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: This entire principle works because it is in a format of an upside down tree with thousands of branches. Everyone below you will see to it that the tree continues because they want to get money. Those below THEM will continue because THEY want to get the cash etc. Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #5 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #4 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #3 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #2 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM of 200 letters with my name at #1 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! With a original investment of only $5.00! AMAZING! And as I said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20 to 30! So lets put those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is what you will make: at #5 $15.00 at #4 $225.00 at #3 $3,375.00 at #2 $50,625.00 at #1 $759,375.00 When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $5.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 5 and start posting again. The thing to remember is that thousands of people all over the world are joining the Internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! And this will go on and on and on and on.... get the picture? Well, there's 5,000,000,000 people on the world and most of them will eventually end up being hooked into the internet. So there are virtually unlimited resources. Of course this will work the best at the very beginning so the faster you post, the better for YOU! People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of extra CASH. **By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with y name in the list and not sending the money to the rest of the people already onhe list, you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight weeks! Then he sent the 5 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This ishe fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future dollars. Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again...

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Re: Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:31:49 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Most elegant wording against privacy/law-enforcement "balance" > >Compromising the public's right to privacy gives away not only our own > >rights, but those of our descendants. The government must make an > >extraordinary case to justify undermining those rights, and so far it > >has not done so. > > "So far it has not done so." > > This "argument based on utilitarian need" is at odds with the First > Amendment. It's at odds with the entire concept of 'inalienable rights' and 'government instituted by the governed'. > I am drawing the parallel with the Fourth deliberately: no amount of > "study," even a study by such august persons as Denning and Baugh, could > ever conclude that wholesale, unwarranted searches are permissable. The > Fourth was put in just to stop such broad conclusions. I would say more broadly the Constitution and in particular the Bill of Rights was implimented to eliminate these issue from the federal level. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Ziff-Davis on AP
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17 Dec '03

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Re: Washington on the verge of being nuked?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Manhattan would be easily blown, remotely. Place a time-charge beneath a car at the head each principal subway line (which commence in other boroughs), set to blow at the main stations. For the West Side, supplement with a charge in the PATH train from Jersey. For the East Side, supplement with another in the LI Railroad from the Island. Forget anything above 86th Street, they'll applaud; like the WVA and VA hillfolks will hooray the destruction of see-navel DC and its high-pitch babbling wonks. As will anyone of any capital (or high-tech vale), globally, not drunk with power or mad to get it. That's what horrifies the powerful about of terrorists: they're both spitting images of their opponents. Both willing to kill indiscriminately for vainglory of blind faith and ambition. Both willing to betray their kind for a step up. Probably the stealth bombers will led by a highly trained ex-, or covert member, or Top Gun grad, of a duly authorized terrorist, wing, sub, cell set up to kill for a culture's honor and commerce -- for blood-drenched national security. USG and IraqG, any G, joined at birth, never separated, working in concert.

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"Ken and Brenda Kingston" <kingston@cheerful.com>: Telephone Scam Alert
by nibor55＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Ken and Brenda Kingston" <kingston(a)cheerful.com> To: "Bill Manago" <managob(a)primenet.com>,"Ken Kingston" <kingstob(a)fhu.disa.mil>,"Mark & Kay Barrett" <msblkb(a)primenet.com>,"Mike & Dianne Higgs" <homeys(a)primenet.com>,"Mike Roberts" <n9lem(a)aol.com>, "Rachel M Parker" <xyz987(a)juno.com>,"Robin Parker" <nibor55(a)juno.com> Subject: Telephone Scam Alert Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:07:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bd3375$82a232a0$b037c5a9@pc1> I want to let all my friends know about this scam going around. It does not matter who your local or long distance carrier is, this can cost you a lot of money. Please read and if you get a call like this, report it to the police and the FCC. If you have a caller ID, get the number too. Subject: High Priority message High Priority ** On Saturday, 24 January 1998, Naval Air Station, Joint Reserve Base, New Orleans' Quarterdeck received a telephone call from an individual identifying himself as an AT&T Service Technician that was running a test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test the QMOW should touch nine (9), zero (0), pound sign (#) and hang up. Luckily, the QMOW was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone company we were informed that by pushing 90# you end up giving the individual that called you access to your telephone line and allows them to place a long distance telephone call, with the charge appearing on your telephone call. We were further informed that this scam has been originating from many of the local jails/prisons. Please "pass the word". Brenda --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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What's the latest in factoring?
by Alan Tu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, First, I want to say that because I've heard that traffic on this list is heavy, and I don't have time to file away 40 messages a day, you must write to me personally in order for me to see the message. My PGP key is provided at the end of this message. What is the latest factoring breakthrough (at least in the civilian world?) I had heard a while back that the most recent event was accomplished by Samuel Wagstaff of Purdue University, whose team factored (3^349-1)/2, which is a 167-digit number (about 552 bits). Is there anything more recent? Also, whereas 1024 bits was the commonly accepted threshhold for key lengths more than two years ago, what's the threshhold now? Because I have DOS (and like it) I use PGP 2.63ix, when should I retire my 1024-bit key? I don't expect anybody to answer that I should do so immediately, but can someone give me an idea on what people are doing in regard to key length? Sincerely, Alan Tu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNN0kkJezmBrl2RXhAQGxnAP9HyIvtTcOeN77s3p80OmSefhagtfxQGEm H3NqWzxrqEvfODat63UFDVxcf28cSSog3666Icys1nLY9JhNSFZrruejbRIJ6P4o AKHfxBwUSO00GvSyCl9nI5VjJDoRG2elDZf7iPP1M9h+IoTXuSDpdWnL9uBpqhvi SFg4sXOKEOA= =co6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID pub 1024/E5D915E1 1997/04/27 Alan Tu <atu5713(a)compuserve.com> Alan Tu <102534.2165(a)compuserve.com> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzNivkwAAAEEALdGUXD3j+RioIirVG46N6LaGD3YMMVVT5Mjwr5JojQsDICy 856I06Ugo/Fqid2A/os7v/gwE+Sj/WhMERgTsTejUZtsucTpS9sae+cc27Fjjq1l hOnqcLZqnHDDNyn3+jesVFPLnRlSoHbmcBK1XDW/SJT1anZz55ezmBrl2RXhAAUR tCBBbGFuIFR1IDxhdHU1NzEzQGNvbXB1c2VydmUuY29tPokAlQIFEDOguk6Xs5ga 5dkV4QEBBF8D/1B0ePqlMavWEUMP0uTmyvWFI7jooAcih6uHZFo2u+u3EzE2Is8X EoLHg39DhjleTHPu6TnGsWIiwDYEslzYeVw/Cglx6eliYIr/qs7peEywuhtZsEFH ln6yR9IE6rX3b3GCvPSQ5uPhXWrd2kWaZvG4rQ4Oj1m3yTrFaPRqCBPvtCRBbGFu IFR1IDwxMDI1MzQuMjE2NUBjb21wdXNlcnZlLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAzyUJWl7OYGuXZ FeEBAc4TBACT8gLtyE0C8NBGs9aDa9kHfeNzN8VbNfUpoOiWi4duAAZFiAt/e+ji J2BUMLIY8kzm2WX4mVzpKYjvea5TtHeQgbESV1HVZ5k7abENMUYz5nSMloOE+bb+ XRzgGgFF3htGXDJNywlLNgoYi5vTMT0pbGlCzOu215Cc4mFls2w1iA== =CM85 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: BBN
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Galombos and a World where Ideas can be Protected (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:33:41 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Galombos and a World where Ideas can be Protected > >If there were no copyright, markets for information and entertainment > >would definitely have evolved differently than they have in the US > >and Europe, and would use much different mechanisms for getting money > >to the producers of information, such as standard sale contracts.* > .... > > It's always hard to say how reality would look in a different universe, one > with, say, no copyright laws. Agreed, however the motivations that drive people to creative or constructive acts wouldn't change. > However, we have some indications, because there are some things which are > very much like "intellectual property" which, in fact, have no protection > in the courts. > > Namely, _ideas_. > > For better or for worse, ideas are not protected against copying, use, etc. Agreed, but the ability to carry through on them *is* criticaly dependant upon the social and technological infrastructure of the participants. > And yet society works fine. Those who keep coming up with ideas find ways > to keep coming up with ideas, and often to prosper, as writers, > consultants, etc., often because of their ability to generate ideas. True, but what you are leaving out is their ability to impliment those ideas, which most certainly depends upon the infrastructure that surrounds them. Ideas abhor a vacuum. In such an environment it is reasonable to assume that people would not loose their basic instincts, among them greed. So it is clear that people would not stop having ideas, but the milieu of those ideas would be restrictive and most probably very paranoid. If you learned of a particular process or idea it would not be in your best interest to pass it around. Further it would be very difficult to trust others because there would be no consequence to them taking your idea and using their resources (which the creator was depending on to actualize the concepts) to create the end product themselves. Remember the prisoners dilema here... > Think about an alternate world where ideas are protectable before saying a > world without copyrights would collapse inevitably. This is a straw man. We are discussing the issue of what would be reasonable to expect considering human nature in an environment where there was *no* protection of ideas and no redress of grievances through a legal system. Intellectual anarchy if you will. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:12:38 -0800 > Original-From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > >If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market > >software or much else for that matter. I would predict that much of > >the technology and infrastructure we have now wouldn't exist. > >It would also stiffle [sic] creativity and new methodologies because > >there would be no profit in it to recoup development costs. > > If there were no copyright, markets for information and entertainment > would definitely have evolved differently than they have in the US > and Europe, and would use much different mechanisms for getting money > to the producers of information, such as standard sale contracts.* > On the other hand, if there were no colonialism, markets for sheep in > New Zealand would have evolved much differently than they did, > a problem they're now gradually working their way out of. The point is that it would *not* effect single instances or markets, it would effect the very fabric of trust that is inherent in a society that rewards creativity. If there were no copyrights and by extension no protection for the creator or implimentor of an idea we would have a situation where the groups with the resources would be the ones able to best actualize and therefore reap the benefits of ideas. In such an environment why would some individual choose to go head to head in a battle they couldn't win due to resources and a lack of a standard infrastructure? They wouldn't, they'd go back home and grow food and mind their own business. They wouldn't exchange ideas because it could be taken as a given that mail and other forms of non-direct communications would be insecure. >From this we can deduce that the actual target of delivery would very likely not receive it and that some intermediary would in fact take possession of that material and take advantage of it. So we can assume that people would not work on colaborations bigger than their immediate neighborhood. Now it is also clear that within that neighborhood some will have more resources to actualize ideas in respect to many of those who actualy create the ideas. In such an environment why would the individual increase this parties resource share to their own detriment? They wouldn't. > Copyright is certainly a major market convenience, because it means > that individual authors, middlemen, and readers don't have to > negotiate contracts each time they trade information for money, > or having to read the annoying shrink-wrap licenses on books > the way they did for a while on packaged software. It also > makes it more difficult for alternative mechanisms to evolve, > because it's got an 800-pound well-armed gorilla subsidizing it. The protection of ideas and the reaping of the actualization of the creation going to the creator is the issue, copyright is simply one of many mechanisms that impliment this fundamental belief of who should benefit. If we do away with this we are also doing away with a much deeper and fundamental aspect of modern society, trust that our toil will benefit us in the end. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re[2]: SEC Rule Announcement
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Soft Tempest
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk Subject: It is really me - the story of Soft Tempest Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:09:40 +0000 From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> Bruce Sterling, and others, have asked of the Washington Post story [see below]: > Is this story correct? The Washington Post gives a highly distorted account of some very important scientific work we have done. I suggest that list members read our paper - <www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ih98-tempest.pdf> - for themselves before getting carried away. The story is as follows. Bill G gave our department $20m for a new building, and his people said that what they really wanted from our group was a better way to control software copying. So it would have been rather churlish of us not to at least look at their `problem'. Now the `final solution' being peddled by the smartcard industry (and others) is to make software copying physically impossible, by tying program execution to a unique tamper-resistant hardware token. 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Army signals officers, defence contractors and spooks have been visibly flabberghasted to hear our ideas or see our demo. In the old days, Tempest was about expensive hardware - custom equipment to monitor the enemy's emissions and very tricky shielding to stop him doing the same to you. It was all classified and strictly off-limits to the open research community. We have ended that era. You can now use software to cause the eavesdropper in the van outside your house to see a completely different image from the one that you see on your screen. In its simplest form, our technique uses specially designed `Tempest fonts' to make the text on your screen invisible to the spooks. Our paper tells you how to design and code your own. There are many opportunities for camouflage, deception and misconduct. For example, you could write a Tempest virus to snarf your enemy's PGP private key and radiate it without his knowledge by manipulating the dither patterns in his screen saver. You could even pick up the signal on a $100 short wave radio. The implications for people trying to build secure computer systems are non-trivial. Anyway, we offered Bill G the prospect that instead of Word radiating the text you're working on to every spook on the block, it would only radiate a one-way function of its licence serial number. This would let an observer tell whether two machines were simultaneously running the same copy of Word, but nothing more. Surely a win-win situation, for Bill and for privacy. But Microsoft turned down our offer. I won't breach confidences, but the high order bit is that their hearts are set on the kind of technology the smartcard people are promising - one that will definitively prevent all copying, even by private individuals. We don't plan to help them on that, and I expect that if they field anything that works, the net result will be to get Microsoft dismembered by the Department of Justice. 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You didn't before, Ross Anderson ---------- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-02/07/060l-020798-idx.html British Technology Might Flush Out Software Pirates By John Burgess Washington Post Foreign Service Saturday, February 7, 1998; Page H01 CAMBRIDGE, England It's a technique that intelligence agencies have used for years: Park a van filled with monitoring gear near an embassy and listen for the faint radio signals that computers routinely emit when they are on. Analyze those signals for clues to the data that are on the computers. Now researchers at the University of Cambridge, home of groundbreaking work in intelligence over the years, are trying to adapt this technology to the fight against software piracy. With special code written into software, they say, computers could be made to broadcast beacons that would carry several hundred yards and identify the software they were running, complete with serial numbers of each copy. Vans run by anti-piracy groups could pull up outside a company's office and count the number of software signals emanating from it. If, say, 50 beacons for a particular title were detected but the company had licensed only two copies of the software, that could become evidence on which a court would issue a search warrant. Ross Anderson, a University of Cambridge lecturer who is overseeing the project, said the idea originated last year when Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates visited the university after his private foundation announced a $20 million donation to the school. Gates told officials that, among other things, he would love the university to come up with new anti-piracy techniques. So far, Microsoft isn't enthusiastic about the university's approach, Anderson said. "They have some reservations. Obviously there are Big Brother aspects," he said. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company has no plans to adapt the technology. Emilia Knight, a vice president at BSA Europe, a trade group that combats software piracy, said such an anti-piracy system might be technically feasible. But she noted many practical questions on the legal side, such as how the system would differentiate between companies pirating software and those legally using multiple copies of programs. Knight said that concerns of privacy and consumer rights might make the system a no-go for industrialized countries. But in places like Eastern Europe, she suggested, where piracy is rampant and there is no tradition of such protections, the software signal detectors might be acceptable. Richard Sobel, a political scientist who teaches at Harvard University and researches privacy issues, called it "an appalling idea." "If the technology is there to identify what software people are using, there's the prospect to figure out what people are doing. . . . It sounds like a horrible violation of privacy," Sobel said. In Britain, however, it might seem less controversial. Here authorities have long used similar techniques to ferret out people who fail to pay the annual license fee of about $150 that the law requires for each TV set in the country. Cruising the streets here are vans carrying equipment that can detect emissions from a TV set's "local oscillator," the part that turns a station's signal into a picture. If the gear senses a TV set inside a house from which there is no record of a license payment, this is used as evidence to levy fines. The system also can tell what channel people are watching because the oscillator gives off a slightly different signal for each one. Anderson's researchers have built a prototype that can detect the type of software running on a machine from short range -- the hallway outside the room where the computer is running. Anderson said they are ready to build prototype hardware with a longer range, at a cost of about $15,000-$30,000 -- if the lab can find a customer. So far, none has stepped forward. © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:05:45 -0500 From: Stewart Baker <sbaker(a)steptoe.com> To: ukcrypto <ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Ross, Is that really you? Today's Washington Post claims that a Cambridge research team led by one Ross Anderson is developing technology that would require all personal computers to broadcast the identity of all programs they are running so that anti-piracy investigators can sit outside universities and businesses and check to see whether the folks inside are running more programs than their licenses allow. The article says that even Microsoft thinks this might go too far in invading the privacy of computer users. 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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:13:43 -0800 > Original-From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > At 08:21 AM 2/6/98 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > > Let's give the market another 5-10 years and see where Linux > >stands. Right now the estimate is 6-10 million users world wide use it. Share > >wise that isn't a lot. The reason that Linux garners so much press right now > >is that it is in fact an exception when an organization uses the software > >(eg NASA). The test will be whether it grows significantly over the long > >run and not the 5 years that Linux has been a serious os. > > Sharewise, that's not bad for a system that had 1 million users a > year or two ago, though of course it gains a lot of extra slack > because it's quasi-free Unix on an affordable platform. I agree. > Getting that much desktop support without running MSOffice is > impressive. Is it? The vast majority of those users are non-commercial users. The number of US users, currently estimated at 6M is *not* significantly different than the number of home users of C64's and Amiga's (both machines had a very poor commercial market penetration) and also had maximum market penetrations in the 6M range. This consistency would seem to indicate to me that there is a significant overlap in the home users and the Linux community and that this community stays reasonably stable as a constant percentage of total population and not the software alone. The question at this point is how will this number change over the next 2 years or so. If we don't see a significant rise in this percentage then I would suspect Linux will never succeed in making a serious bid for MS parity. It is still a rare thing for an employer to provide Linux as a the default os on a new-hires pc. How many companies do you know that when a person comes in and configures their pc it contains Linux by default? Not many. Further that percentage is *not* increasing at any sort of significant rates. I would prophecy that you will have to wait a long(!) time before you can expect your local grocery store (HEB here uses Win95 and various Unix'es for back-office and check-out) or bank to be using it as a de facto standard. Also, considering that the folks who are making money on Linux are the distributors. How have they faired over the last 4-5 years? If you go to your 1st year Linux Journals (only 12/yr. and the Feb. 98 is #46) and compare it to your current issue how do the number of distributors fair? It turns out there are only a few major distirbutors (Red Hat, Slackware, InfoMagic, Walnut Creek, SuSE) and some of the early distributors have seen a significant decrease in their market share (eg Ygddrasil). So even in the Linux community we have seen a *decrease* in the *commercial* enterprises who have succeeded? Why? Because users like to have the same distribution as their friends so that they have some hope of resolving their problems. So what you see (and this is from my 4+ years working with Linux user groups) is that the majority of members of a given user group will have only 1 or 2 distributions and unless you have one of those most of them will be very hesitant to work on it because of the ignorance factor of the special features and changes of each distribution. The local Austin Linux Group (alg-l(a)lists.io.com) for example is moving currently from Red Hat to SuSE because of the superior, and propietary - I would add, X-windows and RPM modifications they have made. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Soft Tempest
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Much praise is due Markus and Ross for their astonishing accomplishment in long-neglected Tempest research. Their paper is surely causing sleeplessness in dens of TEMPESTed security agencies accustomed to having singular self-privacy and others-invasiveness via this technology. Microsoft is to be praised for funding the right thing for the wrong reasons, or perhaps Mr. Gates foresaw what the outcome would be and merely needs intel deniability, nicely aided by Ross's zipperedness -- that, too, well done. The Wash Post spin of the story is itself complicitous, as was Mr. Baker's enticement. Thanks to both for aiding the incovert global revelation.

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No Subject
by Veral 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Another Linus market observation...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Another Linux market observation that would indicate that the total impact of Linux is going to be less than what we as Linux supporters would want is the literature that has arisen about Linux. In particular the count of monthly magazines. Linux has a roughly 6M user market penetration yet there is only a single Linux specific magazine available. In the comparative markets of C64 and Amiga there were several (eg Amiga World, Info, Compute!) magazines. Even today there are at least 3 Amiga magazines on the market yet that machine hasn't been actively manufactured in over 2 years. Why is the Linux magazine market limited to The Linux Journal? And what does that mean for the long term strength of the market (and by extension the hurdles other OS's would face in the future)? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:59:01 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Jim Choate wrote: > > succeed in making a serious bid for MS parity. It is still a rare thing for > > an employer to provide Linux as a the default os on a new-hires pc. How many > > companies do you know that when a person comes in and configures their pc it > > contains Linux by default? Not many. Further that percentage is *not*S > > This is true, but you have to keep it in the right perspective. The > much more interesting question is a broader one: how widespread is GNU > copyrighted freeware? Outside of Linux applications? Very small. I have never worked for a company nor dealt with a customer who as a matter of course used GNU software and was in fact the accepted cannon of that companies computer use policies. Students, individual hobbyist, and small companies (one of the reasons I focus on SOHO in my consulting) are the marked exceptions. The reason these folks can get away with it is their customers if they have any are concerned about the end product and not the process. This isn't true of larger companies who are as concerned with the process because of the impact of budgets, quality control, purchasing, etc. > One can configure a Sun workstation so that it looks, works and feels like > a Linux system, runs things like elm, fvwm2, vim, GNU utilities, > and so on. I have seen a lot of such configurations, and in fact I do > use one like that myself. As I do, I have a ELC and a Tadpole 3XP that I use Linux on as well as Solaris. I also have a IBM N40 RS/6000 laptop that I run AIX 3.x and PPC Linux on. I've been waiting 2 years for the Linux68k to be ported to the Sun 4/380 platform so I can get rid of BSD on that machine, and the /dev/fb for the Tadpole on Linux SPARC has been in the wings about that long as well. In the Austin area (1M pop.), I have yet to find a single other soul who as a matter of course uses Linux on those platforms. At best I know of about a dozen people who play with it and every case I am the one who got them the CD and prompted their activity. My experience would indicate the interest and by extension future is not there for these platforms except as a point of esoteric interest. Believe me, I *wish* I had more people to talk to and work with on these platforms. I can kill just about any discussion in a Linux user group meeting by asking about SPARC or PPC versions, nobody (figuratively) uses them and nobody is really interested in learning about them. I know of only a couple of articles in the Linux Journal that has even discussed SPARC Linux (and that would indicate a lot of folks don't use it) and have never seen a PPC article. > How many millions more of these do exist? Very few. The total number of SPARC or PPC (not Mac mkLinux) is measured in the 10's of thousands at best. Consider that out of all the Linux distributors only a couple carry SPARC or PPC versions. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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GNU market penetration...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have a question, after going to the GNU homepage (www.gnu.org) I have not been able to find out the numbers of how many if any corporate subscribers and participants to the GNU Foundation. Is there anyone out there who might have a pointer to this information, or better yet is an actual participant in the GNU heirarchy and can discuss these and related issues? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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RE: SOFT TEMPEST
by WebWarrior3＠InfoWar.Com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several of the servers where I work have multiple monitors. While it is rare that I have several instances of the same application being displayed on these monitors, I do, at times, do just that. Easier for cutting and pasting large blocks from one to the other as well as other editing of code. So, when the software police pull up outside of my place of business see that there are six instances of a program being displayed with one license I can expect a warrant to be issued? That would suck. Unfortunatley, I do not have the time to read through the entire document at the URL provided, and can't save it either from the .pdf ... the defensive measures sound interesting. Also, does this only work with CRTs or can it detect LCD too? Furthermore, it was written: >So Markus and I sat down and tried to figure out what we could do for >the Evil Empire. We concluded that >(1) large companies generally pay for their software; >(2) if you try to coerce private individuals, the political backlash > would be too much; >so >(3) if the Evil Empire is to increase its revenue by cracking down on > piracy, the people to go after are medium sized companies. I have worked on contract with several 'large' companies who are running illegal copies of software, often without the knowledge of the sys admin...better check those 'findings.' Scott R. Brower http://www.infowar.com http://www.efflorida.org

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New x86 clones & Linus Torvalds (Linux fame)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://techweb.cmp.com/eet/column1/wintel19.html > HOT X86 CHIPS FOR '98 AND BEYOND > > > [INLINE] Launching yet another x86 microprocessor into a field already > crowded with clones isn't a good way to bet your company's future. But > that's just what two startups and one CPU stalwart are doing, in a bid > to beat Intel at its own game. > > The new ventures--Centaur Technology Inc. (Austin, Texas) and > Transmeta Corp. (Santa Clara, Calif.)--and long-time player Advanced > Micro Devices Inc. (Sunnyvale, Calif.) each has its own twist on what > it will take to survive in the cutthroat x86 world in 1998 and beyond. > Let's take them one at a time. > > Centaur, founded by renowned microprocessor architect Glenn Henry, is > focusing on the low end of the market, where sub-$1,000 desktop > machines and sub-$2,000 notebooks rule. Centaur's offering, launched > only a few months ago, is called the IDT WinChip C6 ("IDT" stands for > Integrated Device Technology Inc., which owns Centaur). It's a > Pentium-class processor that supports the MMX multimedia > instruction-set extensions, a Socket-7 interface, and comes in speed > grades of 180-MHz and 200-MHz. Centaur is positioning the C6 as a > direct alternative to Intel's Pentium with MMX, AMD's K6, and Cyrix's > 6x86MX microprocessors. > > From a design standpoint, what's interesting about the C6 is that > Henry chose not to follow the reigning trends in chip architecture. > Instead, he took a downsized approach, implementing just those > features he needed to deliver decent performance in a high-volume, > low-cost CPU. > > "The biggest thing we did is throw out conventional thinking," Henry > told me when we met recently. "We came to the conclusion that the > added benefit of a lot of computer-science things wasn't worth the > effort. We're not superscalar--we don't do out-of-order execution. > Everyone else is designing 4-way superscalar processors, so we did a > 6-way chip." > > In designing the C6, Henry said his team found that, as CPU clock > speeds approach 200-MHz, nearly half the time is spent waiting on the > bus. So, Henry outfitted the C6 with a huge translation-look-aside > buffer, as well as a second-level TLB, to reduce bus utilization and > cut that wait-time to the bone. > > Also notable is the fact that Centaur is a tiny outfit that began life > a scant two years ago. "Intel would like the world to believe it takes > tens of years and dozens of people to design a microprocessor," Henry > said. Looking at the results rolling out of Centaur, it's obvious what > a dedicated group of engineers can accomplish. > > Over at AMD, a somewhat larger engineering team is already burning the > midnight oil to design the K7 (code-named "Argon"), which will compete > with Intel's upcoming 64-bit Merced CPU. > > AMD has a project team hard at work on K7, but has leaked few details. > Publicly, AMD wants to talk more about its new MMX-enhanced K6 > processors. But K7 will be the key to AMD's long-term future, since a > 64-bit chip is a must-have for any company that wants to remain a > viable alternative to Intel. > > The few details we do know emerged in October in a keynote speech at > the Microprocessor Forum by AMD chairman Jerry Sanders. He said that > the K7 will run at clock speeds in excess of 500-MHz and will come in > a module that's mechanically--though not electrically--interchangeable > with Intel's Slot 1 connector. Most interesting was the news that K7 > will use the bus protocol developed by Digital Equipment Corp. for its > Alpha EV-6 processor. > > It's not clear how far along AMD is with the K7. Indeed, it will be a > daunting task. But AMD has two things going for it in its quest. > First, it is very strong in the simulation and verification > department--an important factor in avoiding design flaws like the > floating-point bug that struck Intel and its Pentium. > > More important, AMD knows what it's like to wrestle with design > delays, which struck its K5 project. Concerns on the K6 job were > reportedly behind AMD's decision to purchase NexGen in January, 1996. > Indeed, the NexGen team provided the Nx586 core, which became the > basis for the K6. > > The third, and potentially most interesting, effort involves > Transmeta, a startup formed less than three years ago by former Sun > Microsystems chip architect David Ditzel. Initial word had Transmeta > at work on a PowerPC clone. Then, the buzz was that the company was > designing a Java chip aimed at the nascent market for low-cost network > computers. Now, it seems that Transmeta's effort is focused more on an > x86 alternative that boasts either low-power, multimedia or > network-computer capabilities. Or perhaps all three. > > One interesting tidbit to emerge from Transmeta is the news that it > has hired Linus Torvalds, the designer of the Linux operating system. > Apart from Torvalds' considerable software skills, he's plugged into > an influential community of Unix programmers, which could give > Transmeta a big leg up in any effort to design a processor tuned to > handle real-world networked applications. > > Alexander Wolfe is EE Times' Managing Editor for computers and > communications ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Another Linus market observation... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Another Linus market observation... > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 98 13:38:30 EST > Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> writes: > > monthly magazines. Linux has a roughly 6M user market penetration yet there > > is only a single Linux specific magazine available. ... > > I disagree. There are plenty of printed publications about the hardware > that Linux runs on (i.e. Intel and compatible boxes) (not that I read them). > There are also rags about Unix, which are almost entirely applicable to Linux. The problem with this interpretation of the market is that AmigaWorld, Info, Compute!, etc. didn't cover the hardware to that great a degree. What they did do was discuss the programming and applications of those machines to problem solving, education, programming, etc. This point isn't the hardware and it isn't selling magazines on related os's that can be applied to Linux because of its similarity. The issue *is* increasing Linux' market share, magazines that discuss issue about AIX or HP/UX that can be applied to Linux don't do that. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Latest in Factoring
by Alan Tu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Lawrence wrote: >>>>> Well, my opinion is only one of many, but I just finished installing PGP 5.5 and it allows both RSA keys (max of 2048) as well as DS/DHH keys (max of 4096). Most keys I'm seeing these days are running at 2048, so 1024 could be considered as "below average". Just my $0.02 <<<<< First, I do have a 2048 RSA key I generated with 2.6.3ix, but its in hibernation and not on a key server, yet. (g) Second, what is 5.5 compared to 5.0? Let alone 5.5.3 as displayed in your key block? Third, I think its arrogant that PGP Inc. (and many many other software companies) have left dos/win 3.x users behind. The people, like me, who still use DOS/Win 3.x obviously like it, not to mention people not in the USA. Then, because of the lack of conventional encryption, and other options not in pgp 5.0 (I don't know about 5.5), and because its not freeware (freeware doesn't fully support RSA), people on the Internet had reached the concensus that they weren't going to stop using pgp 2.6.xxxx. When I complained about 5.0, one person asked me if my 2.6.3ix version had stopped working. Anyway, I think that PGP Inc. should release a version of PGP for DOS that lets you generate longer keys, be it RSA or otherwise. Finally, there are a lot of people in other countries (where PGP has spread as widely as in the US, if not more so) who are not compatible with Win95 users using PGP 5.0 freeware. --Alan Tu Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID pub 1024/E5D915E1 1997/04/27 Alan Tu <atu5713(a)compuserve.com> Alan Tu <102534.2165(a)compuserve.com> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzNivkwAAAEEALdGUXD3j+RioIirVG46N6LaGD3YMMVVT5Mjwr5JojQsDICy 856I06Ugo/Fqid2A/os7v/gwE+Sj/WhMERgTsTejUZtsucTpS9sae+cc27Fjjq1l hOnqcLZqnHDDNyn3+jesVFPLnRlSoHbmcBK1XDW/SJT1anZz55ezmBrl2RXhAAUR tCBBbGFuIFR1IDxhdHU1NzEzQGNvbXB1c2VydmUuY29tPokAlQIFEDOguk6Xs5ga 5dkV4QEBBF8D/1B0ePqlMavWEUMP0uTmyvWFI7jooAcih6uHZFo2u+u3EzE2Is8X EoLHg39DhjleTHPu6TnGsWIiwDYEslzYeVw/Cglx6eliYIr/qs7peEywuhtZsEFH ln6yR9IE6rX3b3GCvPSQ5uPhXWrd2kWaZvG4rQ4Oj1m3yTrFaPRqCBPvtCRBbGFu IFR1IDwxMDI1MzQuMjE2NUBjb21wdXNlcnZlLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAzyUJWl7OYGuXZ FeEBAc4TBACT8gLtyE0C8NBGs9aDa9kHfeNzN8VbNfUpoOiWi4duAAZFiAt/e+ji J2BUMLIY8kzm2WX4mVzpKYjvea5TtHeQgbESV1HVZ5k7abENMUYz5nSMloOE+bb+ XRzgGgFF3htGXDJNywlLNgoYi5vTMT0pbGlCzOu215Cc4mFls2w1iA== =CM85 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Guy Polis is a pedophile
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Heh-heh-heh: it's so funny so see how high Dimitry jumps when he sees people being made aware of his body of work. > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com > > I have perfected sucking my own cock! Call me for a video! Oh, Dimitry, we already know you are in love with yourself. ---guy And what a pathetic Net researcher... ;-)

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