December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

'Virus Alert!' or 'Re:Stan the Savior?'
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

whgiii(a)invweb.net - << Yes Stan and you are here to "save" us all. >> If you look up in your definition of the word "save", maybe, EXCEPT, there's bound to be at least a couple of people on this list that don't need saving. ;-) But really, what I'm here to save, is your computers - ======== Subj: What if - God and SuperMan got into a fight - no, I found this on a Rush newsgroup - ----------------------------- Subject: If Rush was a computer virus... From: lotus(a)hogpe.ho.att.com (-R.CAPIK) Date: 21 Mar 1996 17:16:10 GMT What if there was a Rush Limbaugh computer virus. What might it do? What about some other political figures... ? Ron Capik [aka: the NJ Editorial Minstrel ] ----------- Forbes virus: Makes all your programs give 17% of their resources back to your system. We have no idea what the system will do with the resources. (Only applies to earned resources.) At a cost of millions (in un-earned resources), the virus runs for a short time then quits. <see Perot virus> Buchanan virus: All your icons move to the far right of your screen. Bill Clinton virus: Your pointer jumps back and forth across the middle of the screen, seems to drift to the left and you can't seem to pick any programs. If you have a sound card you may hear the sound of rushing [white] water. Limbaugh virus [aka: ditto virus]: All icons line up under the Rush icon where ever it may go. Bill Clinton #2 Icons turn purple and explode. (May be triggered by conservative input) Dole virus: We don't quite know what it may do, but it seems to have been in the system for a very long time. May cause system to enter sleep cycle. Perot virus: Ran for a short time in 92 then quit. It may also be active for a short time in 96. May cause space alien problems with daughter programs. Hillary virus: Causes text to appear on your screen years after you lost it. May trigger "Bill Clinton #2" virus. May also cause rushing [white] water sound. ---------- What if, Stan had written those virus descriptions? - Buchanan virus [aka - "Sap" (of the 'Family (Values) Tree')]: All your icons move to the far right of your screen, and then, any icon that depicts a face gets covered up by a white coned shape hat (and sheets, if the icon is of a whole person). The rest of the icons turn into pitch-forks, and swastikas. The (now) covered 'people' icons then grab the 'pitch-fork' icons, and run off the *extreme* right side of the screen. The swastikas remain on your screen, and cannot be removed, for they are burned into the phosphor. Your computer then logs on to America OnLine, goes to the 'government' forum, and then the (now) covered 'people' icons return (in groups), with the 'pitch-fork' icons, to the screen, and start attacking America (OnLine), starting with the 'government' (forum). The instant the Buchanan virus infects your computer, it attempts to kill all forms of the 'Jerusalem' virus (but it never gets them all). Limbaugh virus [aka - "Whiner"]: All icons line up under the Rush icon wherever it may go. As soon as 'Limbaugh' infects your computer, it (along with any other virus that will join it) attempts to kill the 'Clinton' virus, and the 'Hillary' virus (but doesn't succeed, only weakens them temporarally, then they become much stronger, and impossible to remove for another '4 More Years!'). Then it starts attacking any other viruses 'Limbaugh' thinks is vulnurable, including the viruses that had joined it in attacking the 'Clinton' viruses. The only viruses that the 'Limbaugh' virus has been know to truly rid your system of, though, is the 'Limbaugh' virus, and the virus' that believe that the 'Limbaugh' virus is a 'truth detector' type virus, or that the 'Limbaugh' virus is on 'loan from god', etc. The 'Limbaugh' virus self-destructs after 7 or 8 years (and it can't understand why). Gingrich [aka - "KingRich" (King of the Rich)]: This virus affects applications that have an ability to recreate previous commands given to that application while editing a document of that application, using a 'history' or 'undo' command. 'KingRich' attaches itself to the 'history' files, and selectivly changes certain portions in it. So if you make a mistake, and you need to go back and recreate your file before your mistake, you can still go back, but you'll probably find the icons that represent your best work that you had placed on the left side of your screen, now on the right of it, and those icons that open your worst work, and previously placed on the right, you'll now find that on the left. Gingrich #2 [aka - "CryBaby"]: This virus goes to the back of your pci, vesa,16bit, or 8bit bus, and makes your hard drive make a real loud 'whining' noise and your soundcard starts making a 'crying' sound through your audio setup or speakers. On your screen, 'CryBaby' places the message "I'm going to shut the system down because I had to go to the back of the bus!", and it causes your computer to go into 'default' (meaning, it causes you to lose your CMOS memory, and it restarts with power-on 'defaults'). And we now know what the Dole virus will do - Dole virus [aka - "Quitter"]: This virus attacks your hard drive, causing it to make a real loud 'whining' noise. Then it quits, and you never have to worry about it again. To learn how to detect and remove these viruses from YOUR system, register at - What's A Meta U (and What's It 2 U?) http://members.aol.com/WhatsMetaU ===== Stan

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Re: McKinney fax
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 11:02:35 EST, billp(a)nmol.com (of the cypherpunks) writes: << We believe that bureaucrats, court clerks and judges should follow the laws of the United States of America and properly perform their jobs. >> We (if I speak for others on the cypherpunks list, that is (I'm a guest)) believe that the laws Bill is talking about, is the "Constitution of the United States of America/Bill of Rights" For instance, Article VI part 3 - "3 The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." " ... but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." And, to the pbs newshour, we (with same exclusion as above) believe that YOU need to get a true voice from the left for your panels. Sheilds only speaks from a left POV 'some of the time' (and it ain't enough of the time.) And to Senator Lott - 'Have a happy father's day!' (President Clinton) Stan Rosenthal, FreeGroup - "Just Say It!" http://members.aol.com/WhatsMetaU/freegroup.html

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Hey, I requested off this list ages ago. >Why don't you simply pull my >subscription and we'll ALL be happy? :-) >Stan Because we are all laughing at you, you stupid bastard.

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

...and then there is the "StanSquncr" virus that prompts you to pawn your computer for a $20 crackrock. Two hours later, you find yourself on a street corner sucking dick for $5 rocks. I'm your REAL daddy, Stan.

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Chaffing and Winnowing
by Anonymous Sender 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aside from the considerable overhead created by C/W, I observe a possible pitfall. suppose I start every new message at ID# 0. The first time I C/W a message everything works fine. The next time I C/W a message with the same MAC, I give some very juciy clues to what both messages were. This is because the item that the MAC applied to was an ID number and a bit. well, that bit is either zero or one... so any bit that corresponds between my first and second message will yield an identicle MAC, thus making it easy for anybody to seperate some of the wheat from the chaff, merely by simple observation. though in a real implementation, I probably wouldn't be so niave as to start every new message with the same packet ID, I point out that there's an upper limit on the amount of data that should be transmitted before a new authentication key should be arranged... that is assuming that the ID field was of finite size. Rivest mentioned in passing using a 32 bit ID. That's an impressive number of bits to C/W, but certainly not unattainable. -SM2k

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Your courageous stance...
by TruthMongrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges. Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of information, in light of the fact that you have not shied away from persecuting those connected with the Circle of Eunuchs, thus possibly putting yourself, your family and your business in physical danger, as well as virtual danger. Given the current dissension within the ranks of the Cirle of Eunuchs and the Army of Dog, concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. Regardless of the possible physical danger you will be subjected to if the proponents of MeatSpace retruibution to censorship supporters win out in the current battle for control of the resources of the Army of Dog, your choice to submit to government oppressors and legal threats is likely the right one, since the government currently has more and better armed thugs than those who oppose them. TruthMonger III "Ain't no safety this side of the grave...never has been...never will be."

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Re:Stan the Human!
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 16:09:52 EST, mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com writes: << >Hey, I requested off this list ages ago. >Why don't you simply pull my >subscription and we'll ALL be happy? :-) >Stan Because we are all laughing at you, you really smart guy. >> Hey, I got my laughs too! Stan

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Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forward from TruthMonger III ----- I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges. Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of information, in light of the fact that you have not shied away from persecuting those connected with the Circle of Eunuchs, thus possibly putting yourself, your family and your business in physical danger, as well as virtual danger. Given the current dissension within the ranks of the Cirle of Eunuchs and the Army of Dog, concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. Regardless of the possible physical danger you will be subjected to if the proponents of MeatSpace retruibution to censorship supporters win out in the current battle for control of the resources of the Army of Dog, your choice to submit to government oppressors and legal threats is likely the right one, since the government currently has more and better armed thugs than those who oppose them. TruthMonger III "Ain't no safety this side of the grave...never has been...never will be." ---- End of Alleged Forwarded Message ----- Despite the fact that the missive you are currently reading is an obvious forgery, I, Timothy C. May <tm(a)dev.null>, would like to exhort all of my fellow victims of forgeries by the DogMeister@Sympatico to form their own Cult of One chapter of the Army of Dog. Unless each and every individual who is concerned with gaining the liberty to exercise the basic rights and freedoms which come from being a unique participant in the universe which has formed them (and which they have had a hand in forming) steps forward to demand the right to exercise and manifest their values and beliefs in MeatSpace, as well as CyberSpace...uuhhh...has anybody seen my shoes? "We have met the future of rEvolution, and it is us." ~ Ogop Due to the heavy investment I have made in MeatSpace weaponry, I will be supporting the factions of the Army of Dog which are promoting a physical war against the enemies of freedom, but I recognize that those whose investment is in newer warfare technologies have an equal right to fight the battle within the slightly more infinite boundaries of Digital Reality. "The screens of freedom must occassionally be refreshed with a GUI- supported blood-color of digital martyrs." ~ AGuyTooLazyToLookUpTheOriginalQuote Despite the concerns of some members of the Cypherpunks Distributed Mailing List about the forged attributions of the DogMeister concerning the beliefs and stances of various individual list members, we all know, deep down inside, that Janet Reno's secret lover, Officer Furhman, is right when he whispers in her ear during their fuckmaking (in a manner that is a felony in the majority of states, which is why they only do it in Federal offices), "The CypherPunks may not be guilty of the crimes that TruthMongrel attributes to them, but they are all guilty of *something*..." Timothy C. May <tm(a)dev.null> "There is something 'Wong' when I have to send 'chop, chop' messages to an increasing number of posters to the Cypherpunks list."

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Re: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 19:48:49 EST, tm(a)dev.null writes: << ----- Forward from TruthMonger III ----- <SNIP!> I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges. Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of information <SNIP> concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. >> Ah yes, fits like a lock and a key. Pro-censorship guys also being pro McCarthy guys! After all, these "Know-nothings" today, are the 'Modern McCarthyites' (see my political page) Stan

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CIA Trained Gorilla Femnists
by TruthMongrer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Male Gorilla, Released to Mate with Females, Drops Dead AP 24-MAR-98 TOKYO (AP) The excitement, or perhaps the pressure, apparently was too much for Sultan. The 28-year-old male gorilla, specially moved to a cage to mate with three females, instead dropped dead. The 400-pound lowland gorilla ran around briefly and played with his new friends Monday, then suddenly collapsed, apparently after suffering a heart attack, said Kunihiko Yasui, head of animal breeding at Kyoto Municipal Zoo. ~~~ Reports from non-mainstream news sources indicate that one of the female gorillas was carrying an umbrella which was nowhere to be found when invesigators searched the cage after the mysterious death of the male gorilla. Gertrude Stein, denying that an elite corps of techno-femnists is involved with providing CIA BlackOps training for female subjects of a digital-implant experiment being conducted by the NSA, merely said, "What is good for the goose is not always necessarily good for the gorilla." Anonymous sources from the CypherPunks Distributed Mailing List indicated that the assassination was coordinated by Blanc Weber, a list member who disguises her hidden agenda of MeatSpace violence by constantly admonishing list members for expressing the results of the excessive male hormones surging through their potential-rapist bodies. The sources cited Weber's previous support of Zsa-Zsa Grubor as proof of her involvement with radical femnist movements whose goals are secretly financed by Wonder Bra, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Bread. Mainstream media sources continue to claim that this post is nothing more than the psychotic babblings of a FrostBack To Be Named Later. However, this view is obvious in error, or an intelligent person such as yourself would not stil be reading this post, eh? TruthFemnist, "And, after my operation, I will learn to spell 'feminist' correctly."

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Re: Welcome to cypherpunks-unedited
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 19:18:48 EST, Majordomo(a)toad.com writes: << Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. >> I agree with all that. << ... Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key cryptography. ... >> But when it's used as simply a means of identifying yourself on a public list, is that really privacy protection? Seems like a mis-use of the technology to me. Stan

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While you were bending over for the soap... / Re: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TM forged: > within the slightly more infinite boundaries of ATTN: Circle of Eunuchs Initiates !!! An in-depth investigation by the NSA has confirmed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the dark-conspiracy manifestos that make up 'The True Story of the InterNet' series, as well as all peripheral communications from various CoE members, has been nothing more than a clever ruse to subversively slip the concept quoted above into the minds of the unsuspecting schills of the Author. Please be advised that individuals who allow themselves to be influenced by the subversive concept expressed above run the risk of mistakenly acting under the assumption that 'infinity' can be defined by the individual, and thus they are capable of escaping the limitations which the programmed reality of those in authority over them exercises in order to protect them from the madness which can result from attempting to cross the boundaries of thought and action which have long since been proven statistically safe to transverse, according to recent CNN polls designed to ensure that we all remain safely within the pens within which airport security personnel and tax officials are acting in our best interests. Those who disagree with the stance taken by the author of this post will be audited by the IRS as potential troublemakers. Thank You, the author of this post

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Expert Testimony [ATTN: Donald C. Randolph, Esq.]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: >Kevin >Mitnick is seeking a highly credentialed expert in computer security, >telecommunications, system and network administration to testify Mr. Mitnick & Mr. Randolph, If you desire, I can put you in contact with an individual who has not only been described as 'The World's Foremost Computer Expert' in a variety of computer manuscripts and journals dating as far back as 1989, but who would also be willing to testify as to his personal involvement in the ethical violation of a plethora of MeatSpace laws in the last few decades during his activities in CyberSpace. I am speaking of C.J. Parker. >Qualified candidates must have an advanced degree and be knowledgeable > in DOS, Windows 3.ll, Unix (SunOs & Solaris), VAX/VMS, and Internet >operations. Experience with cellular telephone networks is a plus. Mr. Parker holds an MBA which was obtained through an accelerated degree program known as 'hacking,' and can provide transcripts to verify his being awarded several 'honors' awards by a recognized institution of higher education. He has been involved in top levels of the business and educational arenas of the computer industry for the better part of a decade, and has not only worked with all variety of operating systems and programs, but also has access to a variety of individuals whose knowledge and expertise encompasses a range of the industry which is nothing short of phenomenal. Mr. Parker is a co-author of a variety of manuscripts concerning computer and digital communications issues which were only recognized as significant years or decades after his treatment of them. The fact that Mr. Parker is certifiably insane in no way dimishes the accomplishments that he has succeeded in bringing to fruitation as the president of an international computer company, and as an outlaw who was spitting in the face of authority since Mr. Mitnick was wetnursing. If you are interested in providing your client with a defense which will be recognized as sane and competent, then you would be well advised to ignore my offer. If you wish for your client to successfully resist the efforts of the government to make him a scapegoat for the deficiencies of the InterNet entities whose resources he shared based upon his own values and beliefs, then you would be well advised to further explore my offer. In short, Mr. Parker is not currently facing charges for the same activities that have been committed by your client. Think about it. ~~~~ Toto ~~~~ "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "InfoWar" http://bureau42.base.org/public/infowar3 "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn

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RE: Crypto, anyone?
by Name 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

i need off this mailing list now On Sunday, March 22, 1998 1:40 AM, Anonymous [SMTP:nobody@replay.com] wrote: > andrew fabbro wrote: > > > > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in discussing > > cryptography, personal privacy, security protocols, digital signatures, > > anonymous remailers, digital cash, crypto anarchy...? No? OK, then we > > can go back to spam, Microsoft bashing, calling each other "idiots" and > > "chickens," and forwarding News of the Weird for no obvious reason. > > What the fuck is crypto? Can you *say* that on a public mailing > list? > Isn't child cryptography illegal? > Isn't sharing pubic keys a form of perversion? > Is digital cash used to buy a blow-job? > > "How can you tell when Windows is about to crash?" > "It boots." > >

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Re: Is That A Balck Helicopter Up There?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian B. Riley, who snuck into the WhiteHouse, put on a Bill Clinton halloween mask, and raped Mona Lewinski, wrote: I honestly don't know if I would be too paranoid to say that the government is behind all these happenings, I really don't like the territory that takes us to; but they most surely are quick to exploit them for the own agenda ... it seems now that every untoward incident that happens is hopped upon by some goverment official or goverment schill as an excuse to shorten the leash ... ~~~ Brian, The power of your posts resides in the fact that you do not beat the drum for a totally paranoid view of reality, yet you allow room for that view, just the same. To claim that the children who recently killed a number of their fellow students during a false fire-drill were encouraged by the government in order to draw attention away from the '48 Hours' show on government involvement in the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King would be a stretch. On the other hand, the issues being debated by the '48 Hours' special would have been considered a stretch at the time of the event, despite the fact that they are well supported by information that has been wrested from the grip of secrecy in the time since then. The bottom line is that we currently live in a society whose view of reality has been formed/programmed by the media/medium of TV. "Watch me and I'll bleed you, 'cause you eat the shit I feed you. ~ Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention The danger of the Sheeple being misled by false conspiracy theories propogated by the Fringe Media (TM) is small compared to the danger that they will continue to be misled by the Reality (TM) being spammed deep within the programming centers of thier minds by a mainstream media which feeds at the same trough as FBI snipers and Marine units whose motto seems to be "My country, wrong or wrong..." My career as a would-be shit-disturber and troublemaker pales in comparison with the inevitable leakage that occurs around the edges of the Official World View (TM) propagated by those who employ the gatekeepers of the Media Feeding Pen and the Dogs Of Whore whose teeth ensure that the Sheeple will not stray from their appointed destiny. Toto <or_so_I_would_have_you_believe@it's_a_trick!.com>

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Re: i need off
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name wrote: > > how the hell do i get off this mailing list??? Kill the president. Wm. Clinton <president(a)whitehouse.com>

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EMI and TWA 800
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The April 9 New York Review of Books has published a long special supplement, "The Fall of TWA 800: The Possibility of Electromagnetic Interference," by Elaine Scarry, a noted author and Harvard professor: http://jya.com/twa800-emi.htm (128K with 3 images) The article closely examines the possibility of electromagnetic interference in TWA 800's controls, comm, and black boxes by activities of the ten US military planes and ships in the vicinity which were heavily equipped for electronic warfare and were conducting tests of the gear. It is reports on what is publically known about the EM armaments of planes and ships in the vicinity, about secret EM weapons and defenses, the several dozen military and commercial planes that have crashed due to EMI, military studies of long-standing EM hazards which will not be released to crash investigators, current research in EMI and what scientists in the field think about the possibility of EMI causing the fall of TWA 800. It calls for the military to release its classified EMI research to NTSB investigators, and short of that, for the servicemen and women on the planes and ships at the scene to tell what they know. It asks Congress to order military cooperation. Not at all inflammatory or accusatory, it is thoroughly researched (over 100 notes and citations) and highly informative on the hazards of EMI, and worthy of ciritque by learned scientists in the field here. Coda: Ron Brown's crash is not mentioned but its characteristics fit several other EMI accidents for which the military will not release findings, claiming that national security EM weapons secrets would be jeopardized.

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Playboy Channel Implicated In Arkansas School Massacre!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The governor of Arkans(redneck)as(sholes) has stepped forward to lay responsibility for the latest school massacre tragedy squarely on the shoulders of those elements of the entertainment media who have not thus far been implicated in the political shennanigans and illegal drug deals perpretrated by the former governor of Arkansas, who is currenly dipping his dick in those entering the Whitehouse through the 'Ladies Only' entrance. It seems that responibility for the massacre lies in the current social acceptance of the licentious violence being spammed upon the public by the immoral profitmongers of the entertainment industry. This is in marked contrast to the current social acceptance of the licentious violence being spammed upon the public by the moral profitmongers of the Biblically-based religion industry. It is obvious that new laws will have to be passed to protect the children exposed to the sex and violence contained in the Christian Bible from being further influenced by corresponding material in the secular sector of society. SpermMonger "Spilling my seed on the ground since puberty."

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Re: Crypto, anyone?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name wrote: > > i need off this mailing list now Don't we all...

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The Arkansas Chainsaw Massacre
by Bienfait Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait, Saskatchewan] AT A LATE-NIGHT CELEBRATION AT THE COALDUST Saloon, members of the MeatSpace Revolutionary Arm of the Army of Dog congratulated one another on the success of 'Operation FireDrill.' Although their efforts to promote their violent interpretation of 'The True Story of the InterNet' manuscripts was somewhat dampened by the fact that their young pawns did not have the strength to pull-start the excessively large Stihl chainsaws they were provided, and had to resort to conventional arms, the mission was still seen as a success. Defcon McCullagh Chainsaw, a violent terrorist who has managed to infiltrate the mainstream media as a respected correspondent, said, "The twisted spin that the citizens of this Bible-(spare the)Belt(spoil the child) community will put on this tragedy will no doubt increase the Sheeple's call for stronger censorship and repression of expression, which will not only provide me with more material for my ineffective columns pissing in the wind generated by the Moral Majority, but will also hasten the MeatSpace rEvolution that will arise in response to the unconstitutional limits which the government will impose on the citizens under cover of the associated propaganda spewn out by their pawns in the mainstream media." A spokesperson for Pat Buchanan, dodging questions regarding the rumors that the Moral Majority was snookered by the Army of Violent Dogs into financing the operation, said, "I have no comment, except to note that tomorrow I will release a statement clarifying what I would have 'meant to say' during this press conference, if I had, in fact, said anything beyond, 'No comment.'" In a private conversation with this reportwhore, God, on the condition that he not be quoted, said, "Dog works in mysterious ways."

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Pauline Hanson's Newsletter - March 1998
by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Prologue 13/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!
by Potential Bill Gates Assassins Union (Local 709) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger Sells Out: Subject: I Concede... To: BadBillyG<billg(a)micro$not.cum> From: TruthMonger<tm(a)dev.null> Yo Willy, You finally whupped me... After years of plotting your death in a slow, excruciating manner, time and circumstances have finally forced me to offer to compromise my formerly unbending position regarding your continued physical existence. In my own defence, I must state that I probably could have held out indefinitely in my crusade to force you to pay for the tremendous amount of suffering that resulted from your successfully making DOS a worldwide computer standard, despite the fact that children in basements around the nation were producing vastly superior products, such as 4DOS and AstroTit, had it not been for the fact that even greater evil forces in the world aligned themselves against you, behind ugly-as-sin schills such as Janet Reno, as opposed to sweethearts such as Blanc Weber, who is your staunchest defender, despite the fact that she is carrying Attila T. Hun's baby. The beginning of my downfall as a 'command-line kind of guy' was when I was forced to trade in my XT with a 20M hard drive and 2M of RAM because of the requirement of the only ISP available to me that I be able to run Windoze. Up until then, I had been able to successfully hide my secret life as a huge fan of M$ Word. After purchasing Win95, however, and not having the character to deny myself indulging in the downloading of a free copy of InterNet Assistant, my anti-M$ resolve deteriorated rapidly, until I finally got fed up with Nut$crape's inability to provide me with the instant gratification of my desire to have the latest in software technology, despite the fact that it was a result of your devious and predatorial business practices which made it so. As a result, I finally quit kidding myself about my ability to resist joining the herd of Sheeple racing madly over the M$ cliff, and I downloaded and installed M$ Exploiter. In recognition of the fact that I am now committed to a life of addiction to the M$ updates being offered by shadowy characters on dimly-lit street corners, I am willing to offer you a compromise on my previous demands that you wipe that cute, shit-eating grin off of your face so that I can assassinate you with a clear conscience. To be honest, my current predicament is that, after purchasing a variety of M$ products, I currently find myself unable to reinstall any of them if my system goes to shit, which it often does as a result of my being a sorry, drunken, drug addict without a lick of common sense. Although I own 3 1/2" floppy disks purchased in the late 1980's, and which still work perfectly fine, the disks which I have acquired recently, containing the M$ products I own, have all gone to shit, because America has sunk to the point where they not only cannot make a decent car, anymore, but they also cannot make a decent floppy disk. Accordingly, I am willing to reduce my demands for your physical extermination to a demand that you allow me to cut off three fingers on your left hand, on the following conditions: 1. You provide me with CD-ROMS for Win95, M$ Word for Win95, Windows 3.11, and a copy of AstroTit, a program writen by some sorry loser in Sedona, Arizona, and which I lost because DOS 4.0 made me so fucking crazy that I threw my computer through a window in forty-below-zero weather. 2. You not tell the CypherPunks about this offer, since all of my somewhat deficient reputation capital rests upon my long-winded diatribes against M$, as a result of my not having any appreciable computer skills. 3. That Blanc Weber provide me with a notarized document signed by a reputable physician stating that s/he has examined her, and revealing whether or not she is wearing panties. 4. You recall the team of hired assassins who are currently training their cross-hairs on my toilet, through the bathroom window. (I need to take a helluva piss, and the kitchen sink is backed-up.) 5. Some other conditions which I can't remember because I am running low on my medications, but I will hold you to those conditions, regardless. 6. You throw your support behind legislation aimed at eliminating discrimination based on species. (My dog, Baby, asked me to include this condition. She promised to quit hogging the 'good pillow' if you would agree to this.) Looking forward to your reply, Toto<toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> "It's not a DEATH THREAT!!! until *I* say it's a DEATH THREAT!!!"

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Re: Or is it Pat Robertson?
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobody - "Get back to us when you pull your head out of your ass and learn how to properly quote in replies." How about now? :-) Or am have I been unsubscribed again by some imposter? ;-) Stan

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RE: Crypto, anyone?
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name <m.d.allen(a)csu-e.csuohio.edu> wrote: > i need off this mailing list now No one can take you off this list. We don't know or care how you got onto this list. This is an intelligence test. Until you can prove that you are not a clueless fuckwit by disappearing, we will continue to laugh at your sorry whines. Life's a bitch. Deal with it.

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[Fwd: CypherPunk Road Rangers]
by Six 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Begin Creating Forwarded Message ----- [Bienfait Nutly News] THE RECENTLY DISBANDED CANADIAN CYPHERPUNK ROAD Rangers drown their sorrows at the First Daily Bienfait Wine Tasters Keg Party, held at the Coaldust Saloon in DoWell, Saskatchewan. The RoadPunks were the toast of the town last week, when they acquired the Road Rage Control Contract awarded by the Canadian Emotional Crimes Commission. They were also the toast of the town last night (any excuse for a party, eh?), when the contract was revoked as a result of an internal argument within RoadPunk ranks that turned into an ugly free-for-all on the TransCanada Highway which quickly became a real-life demolition derby which injured many innocent, passing travelers, as well. The trouble started when some of the Canadian CypherPunks took offense to some of the actions by various of their American counterparts, who had been invited up to participate in enforcement of the new Emotional Crimes Laws. Tim May, the !Diplomatic Representative of the American faction, angered the Canadians when he stopped a man who had cut him off in heavy traffic and told him, "You drive like a Chinaman, chop, chop." The Canadians were momentarily appeased after May agreed that, while in Canada, he would treat people of Oriental ancestry with respect, and discriminate against wagon-burners and rag-heads, according to local customs. All hell broke loose, however, when May then fired several shots into the side of a passing car which was driving in a perfectly normal fashion, explaining, "He might not have cut me off, but you can bet your ass he cut off someone, somewhere, sometime..." and then refused to allow the Canadian CypherPunks to borrow his illegally imported gun to play with. Local and federal law enforcement officials were persuaded to drop all charges against the RoadPunks, in return for Peter Trei signing over the Canadian rights for use of the Adrenalyzer, which measures the amount of adrenaline in a driver's blood. It is reported to be an early prototype of the Trei Transponder, developed in a secret underground CypherPunks laboratory, by Reptilian CypherPunks. ----- End Forwarding Created Message -----

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Re: you petition who? (Re: I petition the Internet community to
by Ian Briggs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So what do you need, E-mail, web space, shell? We don't do shit until we get a subpoena, then those darned logs on the NT server well they just seemed to have corrupted themselves. Course, this is NOT a invite to hack and fuck around with networks. I'll support objectionable content, not pricks. No advocating violence against people. We host several of the white power sites referred to, we also host several leftist political sites. Right to freedom of the press goes beyond the government. If private business doesn't support freedom of the press, then there is no real freedom. If any of you need accounts. Drop a note. Ian Briggs President Internet something or another. >> > if Dmitri is not restored, deny access to his self-proclaimed >> > terminator: guy(a)panix.com > >Hardly in the spirit of free speech either, although I don`t doubt >Polis is a censorous cocksucker. > >> It wasn't the "internet community" that pulled that account, it was >> PSInet, in response to Guy Polis' censorship attempts. > >Plug pulling is becoming even more rife, you may have noticed I have >been off the list for a few days, this was a result of content-based >plug pulling. It`s time more resilient methods of creating >censor-proof account were worked on, does anyone know of any ISPs >that specifically state that they refuse to censor? Clearly, such an >ISP would have limited commercial appeal in the current market so I >don`t consider it likely. > > >-- > Paul Bradley > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk > "Why should anyone want to live on rails?" - Stephen Fry > > > > > >

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Re: Student Refuses to Whore Himself, Gets Suspended
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Cordian wrote: > we have this story > out of Georgia, where a student was suspended for a day for failing to > properly prostitute himself to corporate johns on behalf of his > pimping principal. > ----- > EVANS, Ga. (AP) -- It's the real thing all right -- suspension. > > High school senior Mike Cameron is serving a one-day suspension today > for wearing a Pepsi shirt on Coke Day, an event school officials > crafted in an attempt to win a $500 contest run by the Coca-Cola > Bottling Co. It could be worse. They could have transferred me to the "Home Shoppers Bargain Psychiatry Warehouse". That's the worst of the worst. The Shop'ers have the poorest government on WebWorld. When the citizens of the former world governments got to choose their citizenship at the end of the Channel Revolution every deadbeat compulsive spender on the face of the Earth signed up with the Home Shopper Channel Government. ~~~ http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld/#Chapter_4 > The Coke-themed day was part of an effort to win the contest. The > award will go to the school that comes up with the best method of > distributing promotional discount cards to students. The Shop'ers ran ads showing Leona purchasing magnificent jewelry and other high-priced items from the Home Shopping Channel and the masses rushed to join the bandwagon. Some of the slightly more discriminating people became citizens of the Consumer Channel, but they were few and far between. ~~~ http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld/#Chapter_4 The Sex Channel offered some rather interesting incentives for new citizens. They did quite well in the final ratings (what had formerly been called 'election results'), despite fierce competition from the S&M Channel, the Group Sex Channel, the Lesbian Channel, the 'Buck Futters' Channel, and a host of minor players vying for the same basic audience. ~~~ http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld/#Chapter_11 > School officials also integrated Coke into class instruction for the > day, invited Coke executives from Atlanta headquarters 100 miles away > as speakers and gathered students outside to spell ``Coke'' for the > photograph. No doubt General Noriega was given a day-pass to drop one-pound packages of Peruvian flake out of a helicopter, as loudspeakers blared, "You deserve a brick today..." > ~~ > Eric Michael Unamused > T:.O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division, > Room 200, Mathematical Munitions Addition > Mathematical Munitions Subdivison, > Rocky III Road, > Corollary Corral, California > "Drink What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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[Fwd: School Sponsorship]
by PRESIDENT 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Begin Obvious Forgery ----- [Bienfait Nutly News] PRESIDENT CLINTON, TUCKING FUNNY-MONEY INTO THE panties of the topless dancers during their performances at the CoalDust Saloon's 'Paula Jones and Monica Lewinski Look-Alike Contest,' took time out from the festivities to announce plans to help prop up the nation's decaying public school system by allowing Adult WebSites to sponsor the latest computer technology additions to the schools' InterNet systems. "We don't see any harm in this," Clinton told gathered reportwhores, who were pretty much ignoring him as they watched the dancers, "since the children won't be able to legally access the URL's being advertised until they are 18 years old." In response to concerns about the increasing Corporatization of America, Clinton explained that this could be viewed merely as a streamlining of the already-existing system, by eliminating the middlemen (lobbyists and politicians) currently adding inefficiency and expense to the Corporate exercise of free enterprise. Clinton explained that government and corporations were working toward a model which worked well for railways when cabooses became automated and the workers were paid to merely ride the train back and forth. "We will still hold elections, and attend sittings of the House and Senate, but we'll just play cards, or read, or something..." Clinton refused to comment on the recent brouhaha over a student in San Francisco being expelled for life for wearing a T-shirt with an elephant on it during a Political Correctness Event sponsored by the Democratic Party. He did, however, comment on the expulsion of a student at the University of California-Bezerkeley, for wearing clothes during the ribbon-cutting ceremonies for the Naked Guy Boutique. Clinton, looking at photographs of the event, said, "Hubba, hubba!" The Naked Guy, also in attendance at the CoalDust Saloon, told drunken, groping reportwhores of both sexes, "It is my belief that the current anti-trust actions being taken by the DOJ against the nationwide Naked Guy Boutique Chain is nothing more than the result of political pressure by the Anti-NakedGuy Coalition." (The first joint action by a group composed mostly of Fundamentalist Christian groups and Adult WebSite operators.) TToommoorrooww: Gates Pie-Boy Gives Clinton a Wedgie... ---- End Meaningless Blathering -----

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Re: [Fwd: School Sponsorship]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TRUTHMONGER FOR PRESIDENT wrote: : ----- Begin Obvious Forgery ----- : Clinton refused to comment on the recent brouhaha over a student in : San Francisco being expelled for life for wearing a T-shirt with : an elephant on it during a Political Correctness Event sponsored by : the Democratic Party. Truthmonger occassionally takes time out from being a loudmouthed pain in the butt to illustrate a valid point. Free speech is free speech whether it involves a Pepsi logo or a political logo. A person could make an equally ridiculous and equally valid point by suggesting the expulsion of black students for not showing up to school in whiteface during events sponsored by the Aryan Nations. Unfortunately the school officials involved feel justified in excusing their repression of civil rights and liberties by downplaying the specifics of the compromise of freedom they demanded of their students in return for corporate funding. Like gun-control and GAK proponents they are asking for only a "small compromise" as an ante into a game which will eventually result in the players with the largest pockets naming the game. Even the most outrageous of silly conspiracy theory posts to the list failed to predict the advent of mandatory-voluntary Coke T-shirts in the school system. Is the cuality of qraziness on the list slipping? : TToommoorrooww: Gates Pie-Boy Gives Clinton a Wedgie...

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17 Dec '03

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Thought you'd like this alot (fwd)
by Fyodor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Heh... Wanna hear the C++ creator thoughts regarding the malevolent creation, he made?:-) =========/qoute/=======================/quote/==================== [snip snip] Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:31:02 -0800 Subject: Stroustrup's interview leaked... On the 1st of January, 1998, Bjarne Stroustrup gave an interview to the IEEE's 'Computer' magazine. Naturally, the editors thought he would be giving a retrospective view of seven years of object-oriented design, using the language he created. By the end of the interview, the interviewer got more than he had bargained for and, subsequently, the editor decided to suppress its contents, 'for the good of the industry' but, as with many of these things, there was a leak. Here is a complete transcript of what was said, unedited, and unrehearsed, so it isn't as neat as planned interviews. You will find it interesting... __________________________________________________________________ Interviewer: Well, it's been a few years since you changed the world of software design, how does it feel, looking back? Stroustrup: Actually, I was thinking about those days, just before you arrived. Do you remember? Everyone was writing 'C' and, the trouble was, they were pretty damn good at it. were turning out competent - I stress the word 'competent' graduates at a phenomenal rate. That's what caused the problem. Interviewer: Problem? Stroustrup: Yes, problem. Remember when everyone wrote Cobol? Interviewer: Of course, I did too Stroustrup: Well, in the beginning, these guys were like demi-gods. Their salaries were high, and they were treated like royalty. Interviewer: Those were the days, eh? Stroustrup: Right. So what happened? IBM got sick of it, and invested millions in training programmers, till they were a dime a dozen. Interviewer: That's why I got out. Salaries dropped within a year, to the point where being a journalist actually paid better. Stroustrup: Exactly. Well, the same happened with 'C' programmers. Interviewer: I see, but what's the point? Stroustrup: Well, one day, when I was sitting in my office, I thought of this little scheme, which would redress the balance a little. I thought 'I wonder what would happen, if there were a language so complicated, so difficult to learn, that nobody would ever be able to swamp the market with programmers? Actually, I got some of the ideas from X10, you know, X windows. That was such a bitch of a graphics system, that it only just ran on those Sun 3/60 things. They had all the ingredients for what I wanted. A really ridiculously complex syntax, obscure functions, and pseudo-OO structure. Even now, nobody writes raw X-windows code. Motif is the only way to go if you want to retain your sanity. Interviewer: You're kidding...? Stroustrup: Not a bit of it. In fact, there was another problem. Unix was written in 'C', which meant that any 'C' programmer could very easily become a systems programmer. Remember what a mainframe systems programmer used to earn? Interviewer: You bet I do, that's what I used to do. Stroustrup: OK, so this new language had to divorce itself from Unix, by hiding all the system calls that bound the two together so nicely. This would enable guys who only knew about DOS to earn a decent living too. Interviewer: I don't believe you said that... Stroustrup: Well, it's been long enough, now, and I believe most people have figured out for themselves that C++ is a waste of time but, I must say, it's taken them a lot longer than I thought it would. Interviewer: So how exactly did you do it? Stroustrup: It was only supposed to be a joke, I never thought people would take the book seriously. Anyone with half a brain can see that object-oriented programming is counter-intuitive, illogical and inefficient. Interviewer: What? Stroustrup: And as for 're-useable code' - when did you ever hear of a company re-using its code? Interviewer: Well, never, actually, but... Stroustrup: There you are then. Mind you, a few tried, in the early days. There was this Oregon company - Mentor Graphics, I think they were called - really caught a cold trying to rewrite everything in C++ in about '90 or '91. I felt sorry for them really, but I thought people would learn from their mistakes. Interviewer: Obviously, they didn't? Stroustrup: Not in the slightest. Trouble is, most companies hush-up all their major blunders, and explaining a $30 million loss to the shareholders would have been difficult. Give them their due, though, they made it work in the end. Interviewer: They did? Well, there you are then, it proves O-O works. Stroustrup: Well, almost. The executable was so huge, it took five minutes to load, on an HP workstation, with 128MB of RAM. Then it ran like treacle. Actually, I thought this would be a major stumbling-block, and I'd get found out within a week, but nobody cared. Sun and HP were only too glad to sell enormously powerful boxes, with huge resources just to run trivial programs. You know, when we had our first C++ compiler, at AT&T, I compiled 'Hello World', and couldn't believe the size of the executable. 2.1MB Interviewer: What? Well, compilers have come a long way, since then. Stroustrup: They have? Try it on the latest version of g++ - you won't get much change out of half a megabyte. Also, there are several quite recent examples for you, from all over the world. British Telecom had a major disaster on their hands but, luckily, managed to scrap the whole thing and start again. They were luckier than Australian Telecom. Now I hear that Siemens is building a dinosaur, and getting more and more worried as the size of the hardware gets bigger, to accommodate the executables. Isn't multiple inheritance a joy? Interviewer: Yes, but C++ is basically a sound language. Stroustrup: You really believe that, don't you? Have you ever sat down and worked on a C++ project? Here's what happens: First, I've put in enough pitfalls to make sure that only the most trivial projects will work first time. Take operator overloading. At the end of the project, almost every module has it, usually, because guys feel they really should do it, as it was in their training course. The same operator then means something totally different in every module. Try pulling that lot together, when you have a hundred or so modules. And as for data hiding. God, I sometimes can't help laughing when I hear about the problems companies have making their modules talk to each other. I think the word 'synergistic' was specially invented to twist the knife in a project manager's ribs. Interviewer: I have to say, I'm beginning to be quite appalled at all this. You say you did it to raise programmers' salaries? That's obscene. Stroustrup: Not really. Everyone has a choice. I didn't expect the thing to get so much out of hand. Anyway, I basically succeeded. C++ is dying off now, but programmers still get high salaries - especially those poor devils who have to maintain all this crap. You do realize, it's impossible to maintain a large C++ software module if you didn't actually write it? Interviewer: How come? Stroustrup: You are out of touch, aren't you? Remember the typedef? Interviewer: Yes, of course. Stroustrup: Remember how long it took to grope through the header files only to find that 'RoofRaised' was a double precision number? Well, imagine how long it takes to find all the implicit typedefs in all the Classes in a major project. Interviewer: So how do you reckon you've succeeded? Stroustrup: Remember the length of the average-sized 'C' project? About 6 months. Not nearly long enough for a guy with a wife and kids to earn enough to have a decent standard of living. Take the same project, design it in C++ and what do you get? I'll tell you. One to two years. Isn't that great? All that job security, just through one mistake of judgement. And another thing. The universities haven't been teaching 'C' for such a long time, there's now a shortage of decent 'C' programmers. Especially those who know anything about Unix systems programming. How many guys would know what to do with 'malloc', when they've used 'new' all these years - and never bothered to check the return code. In fact, most C++ programmers throw away their return codes. Whatever happened to good ol' '-1'? At least you knew you had an error, without bogging the thing down in all that 'throw' 'catch' 'try' stuff. Interviewer: But, surely, inheritance does save a lot of time? Stroustrup: Does it? Have you ever noticed the difference between a 'C' project plan, and a C++ project plan? The planning stage for a C++ project is three times as long. Precisely to make sure that everything which should be inherited is, and what shouldn't isn't. Then, they still get it wrong. Whoever heard of memory leaks in a 'C' program? Now finding them is a major industry. Most companies give up, and send the product out, knowing it leaks like a sieve, simply to avoid the expense of tracking them all down. Interviewer: There are tools... Stroustrup: Most of which were written in C++. Interviewer: If we publish this, you'll probably get lynched, you do realize that? Stroustrup: I doubt it. As I said, C++ is way past its peak now, and no company in its right mind would start a C++ project without a pilot trial. That should convince them that it's the road to disaster. If not, they deserve all they get. You know, I tried to convince Dennis Ritchie to rewrite Unix in C++. Interviewer: Oh my God. What did he say? Stroustrup: Well, luckily, he has a good sense of humor. I think both he and Brian figured out what I was doing, in the early days, but never let on. He said he'd help me write a C++ version of DOS, if I was interested. Interviewer: Were you? Stroustrup: Actually, I did write DOS in C++, I'll give you a demo when we're through. I have it running on a Sparc 20 in the computer room. Goes like a rocket on 4 CPU's, and only takes up 70 megs of disk. Interviewer: What's it like on a PC? Stroustrup: Now you're kidding. Haven't you ever seen Windows '95? I think of that as my biggest success. Nearly blew the game before I was ready, though. Interviewer: You know, that idea of a Unix++ has really got me thinking. Somewhere out there, there's a guy going to try it. Stroustrup: Not after they read this interview.. Interviewer: I'm sorry, but I don't see us being able to publish any of this. Stroustrup: But it's the story of the century. I only want to be remembered by my fellow programmers, for what I've done for them. You know how much a C++ guy can get these days? Interviewer: Last I heard, a really top guy is worth $70 - $80 an hour. Stroustrup: See? And I bet he earns it. Keeping track of all the gotchas I put into C++ is no easy job. And, as I said before, every C++ programmer feels bound by some mystic promise to use every damn element of the language on every project. Actually, that really annoys me sometimes, even though it serves my original purpose. I almost like the language after all this time. Interviewer: You mean you didn't before? Stroustrup: Hated it. It even looks clumsy, don't you agree? But when the book royalties started to come in... well, you get the picture. Interviewer: Just a minute. What about references? You must admit, you improved on 'C' pointers. Stroustrup: Hmm. I've always wondered about that. Originally, I thought I had. Then, one day I was discussing this with a guy who'd written C++ from the beginning. He said he could never remember whether his variables were referenced or dereferenced, so he always used pointers. He said the little asterisk always reminded him. Interviewer: Well, at this point, I usually say 'thank you very much' but it hardly seems adequate. Stroustrup: Promise me you'll publish this. My conscience is getting the better of me these days. Interviewer: I'll let you know, but I think I know what my editor will say. Stroustrup: Who'd believe it anyway? Although, can you send me a copy of that tape? Interviewer: I can do that.

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Constable Hettinga?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Finally, we have proof... http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/rcmphate/rcmphate.htm

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PK & Re: Is spam really a problem?
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From sunder(a)brainlink.com Thu Feb 19 15:43:54 1998 > > Information Security wrote: > > > > From sunder(a)brainlink.com Wed Feb 18 15:58:46 1998 > > > > > > Anonymous wrote: > > > > > > > > I see discussion of spam here and everywhere on > > > > the net. But who finds it a *real* problem, and > > > > why? > > > > Why are you asking the cypherpunks list? > > I didn't. Anonymous did. Seth Breidbart (Mr. BI>20 == SPAM) insists it is a valid style of attribution to give it once at the top. My question was obviously directed at "Anonymous". So you don't get confused again, I'll keep repeating the attributions: > From sunder(a)brainlink.com Thu Feb 19 15:43:54 1998 > > Information Security wrote: > > > > From sunder(a)brainlink.com Wed Feb 18 15:58:46 1998 > > > > > > There are nice technical solutions to this. If sendmail > > > didn't transport things unauthenticated it could be done, > > > but at a cost in CPU cycles on mail servers: > > > > > > Have every sendmail server use a PK scheme to talk to > > > every other server and authenticate the connection. > > > Have every sendmail server accept mail only from those > > > whose key is verified. > > > > Nonsense. > > > > We (NANA) already know where spam comes from, > > and when we complain about it, they are terminated. > > Until someone else gets a throw away $10 account and uses it to > spam, right? By the time you track'em down, they already gave up > that account. All ISP's do is to delete the spamming account, which > the spammer doesn't care about anyway. So you achive nothing. Talk about achieving nothing: what does server-to-server authentication have to do with overcoming spam from throw-away accounts? Hey, at least ISPs are making money from terminating accounts. ;-) > From sunder(a)brainlink.com Thu Feb 19 15:43:54 1998 > > Further one can generate fake headers and you would not know exactly > where it comes from, though you could have some idea since it would > be one of many sites it was relayed from. One could send messages > from an ISP that doesn't mind spammers who won't help you track down > the bitch that just slimed your machine, etc. Jeez, take a breath between thoughts, will ya? It is standard practice to trust only the last "Received" line. What of it? Again: what does server-to-server authentication have to do with known unhelpful ISPs? > From sunder(a)brainlink.com Thu Feb 19 15:43:54 1998 > > Information Security wrote: > > > PK authentication would change nothing. > > > > Show a single spam with a forged IP address. > > IP addresses won't be forged, but one could send > a mail with extra Recieved-By: headers, etc. And how would throw-away accounts be affected by your proposed massive change in SMTP protocol? > From sunder(a)brainlink.com Thu Feb 19 15:43:54 1998 > > Information Security wrote: > > > PK authentication would only lead us down the > > road of everyone being tattooed with barcodes > > of our own making - and incredibly dumb idea. > > > > It would be like requiring a smart card for Internet access. > > Bullshit. PK auth with a central repository would be Big Brotherish. > Having each user gen their own PK pair is what I suggested. But these keys must be registered somewhere: whether it's at a centralized site or distributed, *requiring* everyone to have a digital signature for Internet access is twisting this elegant crypto-related technology: to number each and every one of us, and is exactly what will make CDA legal, because as soon as it's in place attributes such as "age" will be attached. Required identity repositories are a bad idea. > Relaying is a big problem. What, you want _me_ to solve the UCE problem? Okay. I think if Brad (EFF Director) Templeton's whitelist system were made available at the firewall/enterprise level, then widely deployed, spam would be dead. It's a handy little bot-reply mechanism that asks unknown authors to verify they aren't sending UCE, else face a monetary penalty. Replying correctly automatically causes the original email to go through. Thus achieving the legal right to sue the spammer without the legislation CAUCE is pushing. The most important part of this design is that it requires no control-freak changes to the Internet. Don't suggest solutions that *require* digital signatures of everyone. Sheesh. This might work too: Throttle email going through the ISP's mailserver. Maybe 5/minute limit, flagging attempts to go faster to the admins. As for direct PPP connectivity, upgrade router software to throttle. (Port SMTP traffic) Certain people, at the ISP's choice, would have a higher limit, for mailing lists and such. ---guy Think.

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about AES
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is the encryption method that thinks to become Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)?

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funny #1
by Perrin . 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A guy, a pig, and a dog are the survivors of a terrible shipwreck, and they find themselves stranded on a desert island. After being there = awhile, they get into a ritual of going to the beach every evening to watch=20 the sun go down. One particular evening the sky was red with beautiful=20 cirrus clouds, the breeze was warm and gentle - a perfect night for = romance! =20 Well, that pig started looking better and better and pretty soon the guy = rolled toward thepig and put his arm around it. The dog was not very=20 happy with this and growled fiercely at the guy, until he removed his = arm=20 from the pig. They continued to enjoy the sunsets together, but no more = cuddling. A few weeks passed by, and lo and behold, there was another=20 shipwreck. The only survivor was a beautiful young woman. She was in a = pretty bad way when they rescued her and they slowly nursed her back to=20 good health. When she was well enough they introduced her to their=20 evening beach ritual. It was another beautiful evening, red sky, cirrus clouds, warm gentle breeze, perfect for romance, the four of them lying there. The guy started getting 'those' ideas again, so he leaned over toward the girl=20 and said, "Um...would you mind taking the dog for a walk?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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funny #2
by Perrin . 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A man who smelled like a distillery flopped on a subway seat next to a = priest. =20 The man's tie was stained, his face was plastered with red lipstick, and = a=20 half empty bottle of gin was sticking out of his torn coat pocket. he = opened=20 his newspaper and began reading. After a few minutes the disheveled guy = turned=20 to the priest and asked, "Say, father, what causes arthritis?" "Mister, it's caused by loose living, being with cheap, wicked women, = too much=20 alcohol and a contempt for your fellow man." "Well I'll be damned." the drunk muttered, returning to his paper. The priest, thinking about what he had said, nudged the man and = apologized. =20 "I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to come on so strong. How long did you = have=20 arthritis?" "I don't have it father. I was just reading here that the Pope does." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Diffie-Hellman vs RSA
by Eric J. Tune 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can anyone tell me the differences between the Diffie-Hellman algorithm and the RSA algorithm? Is one cryptologically better? (DH let's you use 4096 bit keys versus 2048 bit keys for RSA in PGP 5.5). Thanks for any and all info. Eric Tune

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Pensacola Police have lost their mind!!
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I don't know if this story has reached the AP wire or not but today the brave defenders of the faith here in Pensacola, FL have done their sworn duty to protect us all by arresting a 5yr old on assault charges (againts one of the Adult staff of the school). These are the same brave soles who a few months ago when confronted by a man sitting in his car with a gun to his head solved this problem by riddeling his car, surrounding buildings, and a McDonalds playground with over 100 rounds. As soon as I have some more information on this I will post a full report. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows: The Gates of hell. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNO4vbI9Co1n+aLhhAQF7WwP/YrKBFkxLWHjmkX+oU/N58bBqiORWYZvA ceEXVavR+hhtse+dDZQjVwu1O/mUQsnhGZvs3ichG+kl3f1Uonyze9EFdxkSpK8T f4bR/um/UlobMDusOdG4HjUyTBw/h7rLuORFm4KvGxH3AS5hii2fGeEpQnUIabQQ lPYLStK7TUg= =rLlC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Request for Web Browser Information
by Joshua Kunken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sure, check out: http://www.autobahn.org/main/addr.shtml What year is it? 1984? hehhehe Lates... At 05:51 AM 2/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >I would like to know the information my browser makes available to web sites. I use both Netscape and Internet Explorer. > >Obviously web sites can determine my IP address for any given session; they can also look at cookies left by themselves and other sites. > >Can anyone point me to where I can learn exactly what other information is made available (browser version?, OS version?, system name?, user name?, etc.)? > >Thanks in advance. > >David > Joshua Kunken Administrative Computing jkunken(a)uclink4.berkeley.edu "100% uptime? You betcha!"

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Pensacola Police have lost their mind!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 20:27:22 -0500 > Subject: Pensacola Police have lost their mind!! > I don't know if this story has reached the AP wire or not but today the > brave defenders of the faith here in Pensacola, FL have done their sworn > duty to protect us all by arresting a 5yr old on assault charges (againts > one of the Adult staff of the school). It made it to CNN. > These are the same brave soles who a few months ago when confronted by a > man sitting in his car with a gun to his head solved this problem by > riddeling his car, surrounding buildings, and a McDonalds playground with > over 100 rounds. > > As soon as I have some more information on this I will post a full report. Their story was that the child had a behavioral problem and the parents refused to get counceling when the school requested. She apparently goes on room smashing temper tantrums on a regular basis. The father of the child said it was the most ludicrous thing he had ever heard of, reportedly. Can't say that changes the situation a heck of a lot though... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Anthrax suspect predicts attack on US [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: http:--www.cnn.com-US-9802-20-anthrax.arrests- > MAN SUSPECTED OF HAVING ANTHRAX PREDICTED ATTACK > > February 20, 1998 > Web posted at: 10:15 p.m. EST (0315 GMT) > > LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- A man arrested on charges of possessing > what is believed to be the deadly toxin anthrax predicted on a radio > talk show the day before his arrest that the United States would be > the target of a major biological attack within two years. > > Tuesday, Larry Wayne Harris, speaking on Talk America Radio > Network's "The Buck Stops Here," gave a detailed description of what > he said was a plot involving more than 200 "sleeper cells" of Iraqi > students poised to unleash anthrax and bubonic plague bacteria on > the American people. > > "The odds of us making it through even the end of this century > without a major biological incident are very low," Harris said. > > Harris, 46, and William Leavitt Jr., 47, were arrested Wednesday > night in a Las Vegas suburb after an informant called the FBI to > report the two men told him they had anthrax. They are being held at > the Clark County Detention Center. > > Laboratory test results to determine whether a substance seized was > in fact anthrax were delayed Friday. No reason was given. > > Leavitt's attorney: Tests will be negative > > > > Leavitt's attorney, Lamond Mills, said in an interview with CNN in > Las Vegas he believes the tests will prove negative. > > "On Monday, I think the test results will be in and show that it's > non-toxic, and they're going to have to stand up and acknowledge > that. And their case is going to be flushed," Mills said. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Pensacola Police Need a Reality Check
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- News Story Pensacola News Journal Friday, Febuary 20, 1998 Kindergartner arrested in school scuffle By Sonja Lewis and Lesley Conn New Journal Staff Writters Her daddy told her it was like finger-painting, but 5 yaer-old Chaquita Doman was actually being fingerprinted following her arrest Wednesday and it wasn't fun. The Edgewater Elementary kindergarten student was booked on a felony battery warrant at the Department of Youth Services after scuffling with her school counselor. Linda green, 51, told Escambia deputies Chaquita bit and scratched her Feb. 3 when she tried to calm the girl. The warrant for battery of an elected official or educator was issued the day of the incident. Escambia deputies have never arrested anyone younger, a spokeswoman said. Chaquita's father, Lee Ernest Middleton, said the arrest is the most ludicrous thing he's ever experienced. District spokeswoman Barbara Frye said school officials were making sure a child with "an-out-of-contorl rage" got some counseling. Deputies notified Chaquita's parents Tuesday of the arrest warrant. Her parents brought her in Wednesday. "Can you imagine what it's like to have your daughter fingerprinted and escorted by a deputy to a juvenile facility?" asked her father. Middleton, 35, said he plans to contact a lawer as early as this morning because of the emotional trauma suffered by his daughter and her identical twin sister, Shakita. He took his daughters out of school Thursday. Missing four of her front teeth, Chaquita nodded Thursday that she bit and scratched someone. "She's good", she said tossing her thumb towards her twin. "I'm bad". Chaquita threw furniture and inflicted at least 27 deep scratches and bit Green's arm to cause "significant bleeding," Frye said. Chaquita was suspended for three days and her parents were asked to sign a counseling referral slip, Frye said. Because Green wanted the child to be councled, she called deputies. Middleton says he was not asked to sign anything until her suspention was up. He said he agreed to counseling. Because of juvenile protection laws, the State Attorney's Office could not say what action was taken. But her parents were told there would be no charges filed, they said. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- <HTML><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type:text/html"> <SCRIPT> function X() {var Text = "HTML is not acceptable for using in mail " + "or usenet so your browser will stop."; alert(Text); parent.close();}; </SCRIPT> </HEAD><BODY onLoad="X();return true">Hi</HTML> Tag-O-Matic: Don't be held back by yesterday's DOS! Try today's OS/2! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNO47fY9Co1n+aLhhAQGJZgP9HC6ShbPuPct2BdtqRdNMs7ZFh8rcHHje Bxrdd1cXW/sWDZfFTofygPn1TI+C6TUsOkepzFqWs2aHEgkV21Fy4c7B3o/dNuFL 56z7nKwDFiurTh8+5s1qtN9CK3xgFoS0EfOW8VgG7onHq18806rTyqggj4sZzwX4 g3RNsCbftKE= =8TIn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: On War, Legends, and Crypto (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:31:16 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: Re: On War, Legends, and Crypto (fwd) > I was suggesting that when finding oneself in a conflict with LEOs, it is > better to be in the position of a trainrobber hiding in a cave with a > backdoor, rather than in the position of someone getting bombed in their > house at Waco or Ruby Ridge. True, but the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents aren't equivalent. In neither case were the people involved committing aggregious crimes nor were they expecting to be attacked by massed forces. I suspect that implicit with the premeditated train robbery is the expectation of pursuit. > You are always better off if you can show your opponent the futility of > his goal. I don't remember the date, but.... During the American Civil War, Lincoln and his wife were having dinner with several other government and military persons. During the dinner a discussion arose about the best way to end the war. After much discussion and depracation of the South Lincoln spoke. The gist of his rebuttal was that the *best* way to win a war was to make the enemy your friend. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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The Eloquence of Timothy C. May
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the archives. Check for yourself if you don't believe me. 9 May 1997: > Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the > Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors. > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that. 12 Nov 1997: > At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > > --Tim May 26 Sep 1997: > At 8:00 PM -0700 9/26/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >Does anybody want MISTY algorithm ? > >If you want it,Please send e-mail to me. > > > > I thought we got rid of your sorry ass two weeks ago! > > Go back to trying to arrange "male penpals," which Dejanews shows to be > your activity on the Net prior to this recent playing of Misty. > > You go, chop chop. Sad, isn't it?

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Re: putting down the US military
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's easy to fault the military as an organization, as easy as with any other. Most of us have had enough experience with them to know what Dilbert knows, even if we can't quip like the master. What's hard is to know the unexplainable of combat and be unable to convey what it's like to those who haven't had the peculiar disorientation of losing whatever ability you've ever had to tell the difference between living and dying. No book or film or general has ever got right, nor any tale told by skulled out vets sober or not. What's never told is what it's like to lose control of mind and body for days weeks and months. Maybe it can't be told, can't be remembered, can't be related in normal ways of communicating. Maybe that's why some of the best war stuff is created by those who've never been there. Enduring an artillery barrage is beyond comprehension, your body goes to pieces under the crushing sound and concussion, and involuntary reactions overwhelm the normal controls of all organs and orifices. Every part goes haywire, beyond stopping, everybody on the scene can't help becoming beaten meat flopping and scrambling to get underground, trying to scream amidst god's loudest roar of thunder and screeching richocheting metal. Bombing is far worse than that. Even the hit of high speed round will hydraulic-ram your blood into parts of your carcass it was never meant to go, and your senses go numb with shock, and nothing works, body or mind. And that's before you become conscious enough to see the savagery the slug's done to your precious gut, arm, leg, crotch -- if it didn't fly through your helmet and skull leaving you permanently satisfied. There's no way to get ready for the worst you'll ever experience and wish you hadn't. Maybe that's why most vets forget what they actually experienced and fall back on the tired and true lies of war stories. Nobody could possibly believe the other if you could manage to tell the truth, which I doubt anybody's got the courage to do, to relive that, when every instinct of survival is to go blank. Which is why you'll see now and then some who just sit and stare a long way past the horizon, like math geniuses in Princeton deep thought. Anyway, this has nothing to do with recruiting and patriotism which are about wholly believable war stories like you see on tv and hear down at the lodge and bar.

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Re: Fallaciousness of the Chicago School of Economics
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam: >>I tend to agree with the view that monopolies exist due to government >>subsidies (eg. free government enforcement services for copyright, >>corporate welfare, government contracts.) Monopolies may depend on government for long-term stability, but fads can stick around for quite a while before dying out. Remember Disco? :-) Attila also talked about Intel making badly-designed microprocessors. It was somewhat of a vicious circle, since the big market for 80*86s required bug-for-bug compatibility with Microsloth's "640K is enough" real-mode DOS, partly because of the large investment companies had in applications like word processors that ran in that environment. Getting out of the problem requires replacing a whole bunch of things at the same time, and incremental upgrades can't get you there. (For a horrendous example, there's the Air Traffic Control system, brought to you by the same government that wants to help us fix our Microsoft addictions; got any spare 360/90 clones?) Tim: >I am trying to sit out this latest "Microsoft" thread as much as I can bear >to. (It seems that several lists I'm are consumeed by the dual memes of >"What to do about Microsoft?" and "What to do about spam?" Same arguments, >recycled endlessly.) Obviously, ship the spam to Microsoft and be done with it :-) The Spam Wars does seem to be muscling out "Libertarians vs. Statists" as the canonical all-consuming political discussion on the net, though there's a fair bit of overlap. >My view is a simple one: those who don't like Microsoft products should use >something else. It works for me. Sigh. In the business world, we tend to be stuck with Microsoft products, chosen by the same clueless bureaucrats who choose 10-pound laptops :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: The Political Education of Eric Tune
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 2/20/98 1:32 AM, Eric Cordian (emc(a)wire.insync.net) passed this wisdom: >> Listen up jerk, in case you didn't get any news during 1990, >> Iraq attacked Kuwait, and murdered thousands of Kuwaitis. > >Iraq, mislead by the US into believing that there would be no >interference in its long-standing dispute with Kuwait, annexed it, >providing a pretense for the US to do some dirty work for the >Israelis, who did not want to tolerate an Arab military giant in >their region. > >Kuwait provoked Iraq far more than places like Panama and Grenada >have provoked the United States, when US forces poured in to remove >existing governments, and install regimes sympathetic to >Washington, also killing thousands of uninvolved civilians. Somewhere in there I also remember reading about the fact that Kuwait was slant drilling into a major Iraqi oil field and systematically pumping it for all it was worth. Not exactly kosher! Many greater conflicts have been begun for far more trivial transgressions. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Some children are rabid and need to be put down (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:30:43 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Some children are rabid and need to be put down > I know that if a kid was throwing chairs at me I'd be tempted to throw a > punch back...something that is strictly verboten. Lawsuits, criminal > prosecution, never work in the school system again, that sort of verboten. Let me get this straight, you would punch a 5 year old child? Tim, you truly have my sympathy and I sincerely hope that someday you deal with whatever it is that drives that sense of personal injustice and anger. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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BBC Gnaws Crypto
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The BBC has a special report on encryption policy today on its Web site, with disputes among the UK, EU and US: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/encryption/newsid_58000 /58499.stm Thanks to Yaman Akdeniz on UK Crypto list.

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Jimbelling the Sheep
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The FBI informant who orchestrated the capture of the recent "Anthrax Terrorists" turns out to be a man twice convicted of felony extortion. He presently markets something called "The AZ-58 Ray Tube Frequency Instrument Prototype" which he advertises as being able to somehow purify the body of bacteria and viruses. Sounds like a rehash of Radionics. You may view the contraption at its very own web site, http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/jmckenzie ----- LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Far from planning an anthrax attack, William Leavitt Jr. was involved in a bizarre deal to buy a $2 million germ-killing machine from an FBI informant who double-crossed him, Leavitt's lawyers said Friday. Leavitt was described by his attorneys as a well-meaning, if gullible scientist. He and Larry Wayne Harris, both microbiologists, were arrested in suburban Henderson Wednesday outside a medical office and charged with conspiracy to possess and possession of a biological agent. His lawyers said Leavitt was operating under the assumption that what Harris had was Anthrax vaccine, which is legal and safe. The FBI was awaiting tests Friday to determine if it was vaccine or material grade anthrax, which is potent enough to kill thousands of people. Leavitt is married with three children and runs his own fire-protection business. The FBI says he also owns microbiological laboratories in his hometown of Logandale, Nev., and Frankfurt, Germany. His criminal attorney, Lamond Mills, said the FBI's informant, Ronald Rockwell, was trying to ``scam'' Leavitt into buying a germ-killing machine. ``When he couldn't scam 'em, he went the other way. He became a good guy for the FBI,'' Mills said. Leavitt's business lawyer, Kirby Wells, said the machine was called the AZ-58 Ray Tube Frequency Instrument Prototype, and was hyped by Rockwell in glossy brochures as being able to flush the body clean of bacteria and viruses. ``It looked like a bunch of bells and whistles,'' said Wells, who said he saw a picture of the machine. ``What made my client believe there was substance to that thing, I don't know. I wish I did.'' A promotion on the Internet has a bold headline: ``ANTHRAX,'' and goes on to say the AZ-58 ``can treat large numbers of people at the same time.'' ``Has the greatest health discovery in history been suppressed?'' the ad asks. Leavitt was close to buying the machine in a $2 million deal, but wanted to test it before making a $100,000 down-payment and arranged to fly Harris to Las Vegas about a week ago to help, said Wells. Leavitt believed that Harris was transporting anthrax vaccine, Mills said. But Rockwell told the FBI that Leavitt described it as military-grade. On the''NBC Nightly News'' Friday, Rockwell reiterated that Leavitt and Harris said they had military grade anthrax. ``They lied on what they were going to do,'' Rockwell said. ``It scared me so bad.'' There is no phone listing for Rockwell in the Las Vegas area. His attorney has not returned calls to The Associated Press. Leavitt and Harris were arrested Wednesday night after the FBI, with Rockwell's help, tailed the men to a medical office in suburban Henderson. Authorities removed a cooler and petri dishes from the office, and sealed the men's beige Mercedes in plastic before transporting it to an Air Force base. Leavitt, 47, and Harris, 46, of Lancaster, Ohio, are being held without bond. In an affidavit, the FBI said described Rockwell as a cancer research scientist who was convicted of felony extortion in 1981 and 1982. But the FBI has vouched for his credibility, saying he came forward without getting a deal and was a ``citizen performing his civic duty.'' Harris' attorney, Michael Kennedy, said Thursday that Rockwell's credibility ``is something we're going to look into.'' It was unclear how Leavitt, a Mormon bishop with strong political ties, got hooked up with Harris, an alleged white supremacist who has been plugging his self-published book about germ warfare. The FBI has said Harris met Rockwell last summer at a Denver science conference, while Leavitt's attorneys said they believed Rockwell got the men together. Mills said the results of the FBI tests will determine if they remain united in their defense. ``If the tests come back non-toxin, there is no case,'' said Mills. ``If it comes back military grade, then whoa, time out, that's not our fault. We separate from (Harris) completely.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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