December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

EMI, Van Eck, etc.
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In almost every writing I've come across regarding Van Eck, I notice the phrase "...simply a modified television" or something along those lines. Does anyone have a document for actually modifying a television set to do this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be extremely long ranged, and could in fact be very short range.. I am interested in performing my own experiments into defeating this sort of eavesdropping. Also, would it be possible to scramble the signal into an unusable level by simply putting another device emanating RF at the snooping frequencies nearby the machine that you want to protect? Something generating white noise at that frequency, but with a purposely built antenna, say a high gain type turned outward from the monitor, with a significantly higher power output than the monitor? Thanks.. -The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster] -http://www.anthrax.net/cos "No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does." - La Rochefoucauld

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No Subject
by Kevin Mahoney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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You've got to save room for desert...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Takes 18 bee hummingbirds to weigh as much as a shot of whiskey. ============================================== LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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They don't need no stinking privacy!
by A. Sheeple 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An Open Letter To The CypherPunks: Due to the large amounts of ridicule heaped upon the Sheeple family by members of the CypherPunks list, I have decided to write to the list to clarify a few of the issues on which our family's stances are apparently misunderstood by people outside the pen. First of all, we are AdamAnt about retaining our right to privacy, but we recognize the need for the authorities to invade other people's right to privacy, in order to protect us from them. We demand our right to a fair and impartial trial before a jury of our peers, but we recognized the need for law enforcement agencies and the justice system to take whatever steps are needed to make certain that others are convicted in accordance with the desires of the majority of their betters, according to the results of the Sheeple polls taken by CNN and People's Court. (Note: We, the Sheeple, are willing to do our part, and look the other way when those responsible for our protection need to stretch the boundaries of belief by claiming that a black wife-beater is not a suspect in the murder of his wife and her white lover, as they climb over a fence onto his private property, without a warrant, saying, "We're white men from the government, and we're here to help a Black-Afro American.] We wish to exercise our right to have security in our private communications by employing strong cryptography, but we also recognize the need for our government to intercept communications by foreigners, in order to protect us and to manipulate world events in a manner that will keep the price of our TV's as low as possible. We wish to exercise our right to free speech, but we recognize the need of authorities to prevent filth and vermin from using disgusting and perverted language such as, "Baah...Baah...", instead of righteous and politically correct language such as "Baaa...Baaa." In short, or position is that we wish to retain all of our rights and freedoms, but support them being compromised or taken away from others, for the good of the Sheeple. A. Sheeple

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fight back at SPAM!
by nobody＠nsm.htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I received some annoying spam today. Unbelievably, they included a 1-800 number. Since they wasted my time, I thought I'd call them up and waste their time (on their nickel!). I got a recording asking me to leave a message. I then called back and it stated that this was my last call for the day. Apparently they only accept two phone calls from each distinct phone number. The phone number is 1-800-338-6150 if anyone else feels like calling them up and tying up their phone line. I'm not going to mention what they're selling, since that would be doing them a favor. Maybe when they get their phone bill they will realize the problems associated with direct email marketing on the Internet. ;-) If a honest-to-goodness live person answers, just talk to 'em and try to keep them on the line as long as possible. Ask questions about their product, etc. The longer they talk to you, the more it costs them! You get the picture! Enjoy!

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The Rapist from the Internet Chat Room
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alleged `Cybersex' Victim Testifies By SAMUEL MAULL, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK -- A woman who says a graduate student she met online tied her up and raped her in his apartment tearfully described for jurors how she begged, "Don't rape me, don't dismember me, don't kill me" before escaping. In emotional testimony Tuesday, the 22 -year-old woman said she managed to untie herself from a futon, fight off her assailant and flee. "I was sore. I was exhausted. I didn't want to move," she said, then describing how she loosed the cloth strips: "I felt so good! I got it undone and I stood up! I got it undone! I looked at him and he looked frightened! I'm not going to die!" The witness, who said she was naked while tied up, said she grabbed her clothes and got dressed while running for the door and fighting off the man who had held her as a sex captive for more than 20 hours. "He tried to catch me," she said. "I just kept fighting. I wouldn't let him get any part of me. I ran to the door and clenched the handle because I was not going to be tied up again." The woman says her tormentor was Oliver Jovanovic, 31, a Columbia University doctoral candidate in molecular biology whom she met in an Internet chat room. Jovanovic is charged with kidnapping, sodomy, aggravated sex abuse and assault against the woman in his apartment following their first date Nov. 22, 1996. The woman said Jovanovic had tied her up, dripped hot candle wax on her abdomen and genital area, bit her breasts until they bled and used a nightstick to sexually abuse her. The woman said Jovanovic attacked her after a discussion about good and evil and became upset when she said she believes people are not inherently evil. He then ordered her to undress, she said. Defense lawyer Jack Litman said no violence occurred between the two and that any sexual activity, while it might have been unusual, was consensual. He quoted from e-mail messages sent by the woman to Jovanovic before and after their date in which she talks about sadomasochism in what appear to be terms of approval. The e-mail messages the woman sent to Jovanovic included one that reads "Rough is good," and another that reads "I would go through the pleasure of hell's pain." The woman testified that she sought out Jovanovic because she thought he was intelligent, knowledgeable and interesting. Litman called the woman unstable and overly imaginative. He said she is blaming the evening's activity on Jovanovic to absolve herself of something she likes but considers dirty.

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PRZ on PGP/NAI/TIS/Key Recovery
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:48:48 -0500 To: jya(a)jya.com From: Ed Stone <estone(a)synernet.com> Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery I received the following email from Phil Zimmermann, regarding concerns I have expressed about NAI's acquisition of TIS, a substantial contractor to the National Security Agency, and a major developer of key recovery capabilities. >> begin PRZ email<<< Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800 To: estone(a)synernet.com From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery Cc: prz(a)pgp.com Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss. I'd like to make a few points. You may quote me on this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mergers are complex operations, especially mergers of publicly traded companies of this size. NAI and TIS will not fully close the merger deal for about 60 days. Until then, there are many policy details we cannot discuss in public. NAI has no plans to incorporate TIS's key recovery technology in any version of PGP, including our business versions. I have discussed this point with NAI management. I have not changed my political values regarding privacy and crypto. I would not have allowed the sale of my company to NAI if they were going to buy PGP in order to bury PGP, as some have feared. They bought PGP because they value the reputation that PGP has earned in the industry. They want to preserve that reputation by preserving PGP's product integrity. I plan to keep watch over PGP's product integrity for the foreseeable future. NAI plans to keep publishing our source code for peer review. Source code publication in printed books is a vital part of NAI's business strategy, especially its overseas strategy. There will be an important announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany. -Philip Zimmermann -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 5.5.5 iQA/AwUBNQ+RzWPLaR3669X8EQLuRwCcDowyBBr32YtbsnYSHy6clTW+7CwAnjpk KnVN0NVreBNuIOyxsAcWIb40 =vY/q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>end PRZ email<<< -- ------------------- Ed Stone estone(a)synernet.com -------------------

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Re: EMI, Van Eck, etc.
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Graffam wrote: >Find the Unofficial Tempest Homepage (sorry, dont have the URL handy.. That's Joel McNamara's bountiful and ever-growing TEMPEST site: http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html While the work of Markus Kuhn and Ross Anderson provide more recent unclassified information Joel has a standing request for any TEMPEST material that is created by research or liberated from tax-pits and fat corp labs. Some black stuff comes over the transom. RF and EM offensive and defensive weapons are whitehot in national security labs around the globe, and probably equally so in commercial cages where NDA transgressors are hoovering dual-usage technologies out of MOD's coffers like subway turnstile-suckers.

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PRZ comments
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> begin PRZ email<<< Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800 To: estone(a)synernet.com From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery Cc: prz(a)pgp.com Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss. I'd like to make a few points. You may quote me on this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mergers are complex operations, especially mergers of publicly traded companies of this size. NAI and TIS will not fully close the merger deal for about 60 days. Until then, there are many policy details we cannot discuss in public. NAI has no plans to incorporate TIS's key recovery technology in any version of PGP, including our business versions. I have discussed this point with NAI management. I have not changed my political values regarding privacy and crypto. I would not have allowed the sale of my company to NAI if they were going to buy PGP in order to bury PGP, as some have feared. They bought PGP because they value the reputation that PGP has earned in the industry. They want to preserve that reputation by preserving PGP's product integrity. I plan to keep watch over PGP's product integrity for the foreseeable future. NAI plans to keep publishing our source code for peer review. Source code publication in printed books is a vital part of NAI's business strategy, especially its overseas strategy. There will be an important announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany. -Philip Zimmermann -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 5.5.5 iQA/AwUBNQ+RzWPLaR3669X8EQLuRwCcDowyBBr32YtbsnYSHy6clTW+7CwAnjpk KnVN0NVreBNuIOyxsAcWIb40 =vY/q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>end PRZ email<<< -- ------------------- Ed Stone estone(a)synernet.com ------------------- I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is bad in the signed message. I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key in it, and it doesn't check out. "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'".......

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by inquiry＠asset-max.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Hedegaard <chs(a)silcon.com> To: dc-stuff(a)merde.dis.org Cc: kemkidd(a)clearink.com Subject: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day but it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate".. WHAT THE FUCK? lets see, fucker.com *isn't* innapropriate? assmaster.com isn't? what the hell crawled up their asses and died? why is a commercial corporation running the internet? why is free speech being taken away by these fuckwads? let me guess, they also will support CDA2. and any other censorship bullshit that our government tries to "protect us" with? goddamnit,. people should be able to reg whatever the fuck they want. from pussy.org, to nigger.com... I don't give a fuck if it's offensive to me or anybody, people should still have that very simple right. so, does anyone know what the story is? is interNIC going to refuse re-registration for such names as fucker.com nigger.com pussy.com etc...? or are they just refusing new registration with "innapropriate" stuff? They'd better refuse re-registration, otherwise it's totally unfair to EVERYBODY... hell, they're already being unfair to everybody.. fuckers. -- ICQ: 8141565 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's yet another in a long series of diversions in an attempt to avoid responsibilty" -Chris Knight, "Real Genius" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Out the SPARC, through the router, down the fiber, off another router, down the T3, past the firewall... nuthin but NET" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: PRZ comments
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody quoted PRZ's message about the NAI/PGP/TIS merger deal, which puts to rest for now some of <my> concerns about the weird juxtaposition of companies, anyway. He didn't address the issue of NAI becoming a KRAP again. Anonymous quoted: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ... > announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany. > > -Philip Zimmermann > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- and then s/he said: > I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is > bad in the signed message. I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key > in it, and it doesn't check out. "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'"....... Just a formatting problem. If you put a space before the "-Philip" the message checks just fine. There are several other copies of the message posted around the Web already with the correct formatting, and the other one I checked had the spacing right already (which is how I knew where to look on this copy). See, for example, the copy at http://jya.com . Jim Gillogly

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Re: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
by Eric Tune 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day but >it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate".. > >WHAT THE FUCK? lets see, fucker.com *isn't* innapropriate? assmaster.com >isn't? what the hell crawled up their asses and died? why is a >commercial corporation running the internet? why is free speech being >taken away by these fuckwads? let me guess, they also will support CDA2. >and any other censorship bullshit that our government tries to "protect >us" with? > >goddamnit,. people should be able to reg whatever the fuck they want. from >pussy.org, to nigger.com... I don't give a fuck if it's offensive to me or >anybody, people should still have that very simple right. > >so, does anyone know what the story is? is interNIC going to refuse >re-registration for such names as fucker.com nigger.com pussy.com etc...? >or are they just refusing new registration with "innapropriate" stuff? >They'd better refuse re-registration, otherwise it's totally unfair to >EVERYBODY... hell, they're already being unfair to everybody.. > >fuckers. > Don't that just suck... I was a bit pessimistic about finding fucker.com, but lo and behold, there it was, www.fucker.com ...talk about bullshit. If they will register this, they should register "pimpshit.com" too. Talk about "selective memory loss"...sheesh. I'm heading to their site (internic) to bitch about their selective and prejudicial policy "change"... Eric J. Tune paladin(a)lvcablemodem.com PGP 5.55 and 2.62 keys available upon request. DO NOT EXPORT STRONG CRYPTO BELOW...OH NO! print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"| dc`

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PRZ 'corrections'
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous (from anon(a)anon.efga.org) wrote: > Anonymous (from this-will-bounce(a)zoom.nu) wrote: > > I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is bad > > in the signed message. I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key in it, > > and it doesn't check out. "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'"....... > You took out the space before "-Philip Zimmermann". Put it back as it > was originally and the signature verifies fine: I'm getting mighty tired of the anonymous motherfuckers posting through efga.org interfering with the attempts of the anonymous saints posting through the other anonymous remailers to spread CSM (Cluelessness, Stupidity and Misinformation) throughout the Internet. Remember: "If you're not living in space, you're taking up too much of the edge." ~ No Beer

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Re: PRZ comments
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 3/18/98 3:30 PM, Anonymous (this-will-bounce(a)zoom.nu) passed this wisdom: > >>> begin PRZ email<<< > >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800 >To: estone(a)synernet.com >From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)pgp.com> >Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery >Cc: prz(a)pgp.com > >Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss.I'd like >to make a few points. You may quote me on this. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 The signature fails .... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNRCH4T7r4fUXwraZAQEGuAf/SkPKROnsZpZnLfZQ5uiT5RwBw2RTNeky gKEGXOlTFrDRHq00qm5xovXp7Oohw0JsqthwkVHiLLAPHJWEVtjzhgV0B291gF1p 2w/giHj6yl8sh1gExjLqb7Xe+NH3xy3myan6vCNFzcn2GG9QIIBZjEpg/noYt4GI 2mgFcauYk9mNBKi1AWJprz5O7ZS9oF/Q8om9K+CVS5ejCQXQCeeIy82hBE5Dlglg nk00fyiC9mImJo6ZdSGAM4OG7d5LiHZ4s5ZKCxai/Bf03YSm8fByEUsSLnDVmjyd xRGzpQhawCbvr6EQ0X1lPMiB36VnBp5I/sPLjm0OnuBAOOzwXUvtDw== =TkXG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "May God stand between you and harm, in all the empty places where you must walk." - Susan Ivonava, Babylon 5

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fuck U Dickwads wrote: > > Those reporters who step outside of the scratch-and-sniff mentality > that guarantees a large pay-per-sniff audience of rubberneckers are > asking questions that have to do with access to 'National Security' > matters (deemed important enough to destroy the Constitution over) being > granted to individuals whose main qualification seems to be a great > set of hooters, or a sizeable donation to the correct political party. I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source. I'llKissYouOnTheLipsButIWon'tPutMyTongueInYourMouthMonger

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Re: Software license detector vans
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:44 3/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Standard UPS's do not operate with their batteries "on-line" but in >standby mode. Because of this you do not get any of the filtering affect >from the batteries. You can get good "online" UPS's with gel-cell battery >banks but they cost $$$. Look at some of the companies that service the >telcom industry providing UPS for switchrooms. Line conditioning on the >standard UPS's (PC Decsktop grade) is medeocere at best and are designed >for leveling out power fluctuations not for filtering data leakage. > >If Tempest is a serious concern I recomend a dual battery bank so one bank >can be charging while the other is in use. Physicial disconnects on both >battery banks between the computer and between outside power grid to >insure physicial issolation durring operations. While I agree with you in that total security is only possible if you completely isolate the system, I think that the original person posting wasn't referring to the batteries, but rather the conditioning that is going on inside the UPS. Any decent ups will put the incoming power through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. It stands to reason that these filters would work in reverse, since they are AC filters. Most AC circutry works equally well in reverse as forward. DC circuitry would probably filter out noise equally as well since it simply won't work in reverse for the most part, it'll simply resist any reverse current until it blows. Of course, I make no claims about noise that the transformer itself may make while it does it's filtering that someone might be able to use to determine what was filtered out. -The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster] -http://www.anthrax.net/cos "No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does." - La Rochefoucauld

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MISTY1 and MISTY2
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MISTY1 and MISTY2 operate with 64-bitplain text and cypher text blocks and is contolled by a 128-bit key. These two encryption algorithms call MISTY generically.

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-18 22:53:53 EST, anon(a)anon.efga.org writes: << I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.>> Who's that, the "TruthMeister? (Rush Limbaugh)" You would, you're an idiot (any person who counts on any one person as the only source of news, is an idiot). Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ... >> BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do that for you.) Stan

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JDesignerPro 2.5 just released
by Tristan Muller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Data Fellows Introduces the Security Solution for Corporate Networks - VPN+
by Mia Westerholm 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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US court system
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guys When Sandia assigned me to break locks for the FBI/Engineering Research Facility, project leader Peter Hamilton told me that if we got caught there were judges who would help us. I was not sure that I believe Hamilton then. I do now. Morales and I signed and mailed the petition for writ of prohibition on the 18th bill

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Re: Your Request for information on JDesignerPro from BulletProof, Corp
by Soft Export- Nancy Matte' 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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G8 action plan on online anonymity?
by ulf＠fitug.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apparently restrictions on online anonymity have been discussed at the meeting of the Justice and Interior Ministers of the G8 in Washington, Dec 8--12, 1997 on "high-tech and organized crime". >From Janet Reno's press release <URL: http://www.usdoj.dov/opa/pr/1997/December97/518cr.html>: "each nation has committed to develop faster ways to trace attacks coming through computer networks, so that we can quickly identify the hacker or criminal who is responsible." What are these fast ways to trace attacks? Did the ministers also discuss anonymous speech? Anyone have the full text of the declaration and the action plan?

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A little Paranoid, William?
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Their paranoia is something else that shows you who they are ("Know-nothings") - In a message dated 98-03-19 07:25:54 EST, whgiii(a)invweb.net writes: << -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNREBTo9Co1n+aLhhAQE0tAP9GR39xeKrtAYRc31BjhjC6EGRqOI46we0 NFBwTWXX6saynTvEo4gdk35Kko9W/cEKAxNsOmjDz8zsFaCX0LJNtzzcVai6g7/t o8GLb/PbDv3i1rMw/1vJqyvMH6D2d3IuIQvUFg0luNeHnSxUT+cze1r4moeHw+Fj yTDV7hk+lb4= =cOih -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:36:18 EST, jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu writes: << How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan? The effects are showing... >> That, my fellow cypherpunks, was known as a 'ad hominem' attack (an attack on (supposed) character, because Ken Williams is too STUPID (after all, he's a "Know-nothing") to be able to attack what I've said.) Stan

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:11:50 EST, jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu writes: << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >> And what planet do you live on? Stan

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RE: UPSs
by Pearson Shane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Stan, A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely. Which is not a slow reacting device being passive. Combine this with polyswitch style protection and some method of discharging a really high voltage to ground and it'll be even better. A very cheap design that should be in all UPS's. And is certainly a whole lot better than nothing at all for removing harzardous spikes, etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: StanSquncr [SMTP:StanSquncr@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 4:59 PM > To: spectre(a)anthrax.net; cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: UPSs > > In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: > > << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power > through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming > power, > and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get > through. ... > >> > > BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the > initial > spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming > power > lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My > suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you > anticipate a > need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out > (and > screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply > to do > that for you.) > > Stan

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17 Dec '03

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Wayne Madsen
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thursday 3/19/98 6:58 PM John Young J Orlin Grabbe John Gilmore Here are my notes Thursday December 29, 1994 16:45 File MAD1.TXT Memorandum of Record At 16:30 I received a call from a Wayne Madsen 3911 Fairfax Square Fairfax, VA 22031 703-876-3081 3065 FAX wmadsen(a)explorer.csc.com Wayne told me he had a contract to update the Puzzle Palace first written by James Bamford. The contract is with Penguin- Viking. We talked close to 45 minutes. Wayne told he saw my name in Wirbel's EE Times articles. I gave Madsen some information about my case and where documents can be obtained in the WDC area. Madsen told me two disturbing items: 1 NSA has been inviting White House staff to NSA. NSA attempts to impress staff with NSA gadgets. 2 NSA recently invited Tom Clancy to NSA. Clancy's next novel will be about NSA. Clancy, Wayne told, me is being used as a PR man to obtain more funding for NSA. Madsen also told me that a CRYPTO-AG salesman also got arrested by the Iranians for selling them crypto devices which also sent out the key! NSA work: called Red Threads or Hidden Threads. But let us be a little suspicious. NSA is fairly good at dirty tricks. 1 Anyone know Madsen? 2 Is Madsen for real? If Madsen is for real, then let us help him with his book. Madsen recently wrote http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html A former spook did a drive-by of 3911 Fairfax Square Fairfax, VA 22031 shortly after the phone call from Madsen The former spook phoned me again on 07:29 3/16/1998. The spook did a technical evaluation of the above address. How may tricycles, cars, shades pulled-down to see if the address was possibly a home address. The spook concluded that the above address may be a business. Lets all, of course, hope for settlement. bill

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[Fwd: Re: PROGRAMMERS WANTED !!!]
by TruthMongrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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NETA & exporting PGP
by dc＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: reference
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:00:02PM -0600, Mike Rosing wrote: > Cryptography is a weapon. With a wire wrap tool, you too can create > weapons of mass destruction using nothing but untracable legal parts. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'll bite, how ? Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction. I see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten). Of course you may be refering to other things one can put together with a wirewrap tool - which isn't really the tool one would want to assemble HERF or HPM destructive weapons with in any case since wirewrap wire can barely handle an amp or so max... > > Patience, persistence, truth, > Dr. mike > -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: reference
by Bob Roberts 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Emery wrote: > > > I'll bite, how ? Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may > blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that > can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in > and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction. I > see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy > anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten). Imagine in the new realm of white collar crime, individuals are only convicted because of evidence. Evidence that can't be decrypted cannot be used. I see that going back to defense, but on the wrong side.

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III wrote: > > You don't have a clue do you Stan?? Stan, whose mind is held hostage by the heathens at A(h)OL, has not yet been visited by the revemissionlutionaries of the Army of Dog, and thus does not realize that the ClueServer died for his sins. Thus, his body and soul are destined to boil in a big black pot forged from the melted remains of his own kettles, and fired by the burning ears of those he has maligned behind their backs, as are all those who spread FUD out of cluelessness, instead of out of a genuine desire to be a rabble-rousing shit-disturber. CardinalBadSpellingMonger

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Re: UPSs
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All, I cannot remember all of the equations that go into this, and only a very simplistic approach follows, but ... If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be self-limiting. That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass whatever is above that. A Trans-sorb device, and those chemical ones, all limit what they do based upon a total absorption. A lot of little ones kills it the same as a single big one. None of these tell you they are no longer operable. However, if the UPS is properly built, it will have an inductor as the leading serial device in a set of 'things'. I would expect a set of capacitors, in parallel with my load, on either side, appropriately sized. The battery that makes the 'U' in the UPS acts like another capacitor. These act as fast as the spike, ALWAYS. The sizes and number of components requires some calculations (testing does NOT hurt, either). Stan needs to review his basic electronics. Yes, it will even protect against lighting if designed for that purpose. Costs vary accordingly ... Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com The views expressed herein are my own, and are not attributable to any other source, be it employer, friend or foe. > From StanSquncr(a)aol.com Wed Mar 18 22:44:02 1998 > From: StanSquncr <StanSquncr(a)aol.com> > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:59:19 EST > To: spectre(a)anthrax.net, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: UPSs > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: > > << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power > through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, > and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ... > >> > > BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial > spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power > lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My > suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a > need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and > screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do > that for you.) > > Stan >

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 18:48:51 EST, Shane.Pearson(a)tafensw.edu.au writes: << A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely. >> Right. The filtering that's already in the power-supply (except that the switching transformer isn't as big as an inductor as a normal old-style power transformer. Stan

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Re: A little Paranoid, William?
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 18:21:57 EST, mgraffam(a)mhv.net writes: << I've heard it said 'Paranoia is reality on a finer scale.' I believe it. If you think that signing messages is paranoia, you may be right.. I, for one, _am_ paranoid. I know the practical attacks that can be made, and I've seen them work and, and demonstrated how easy they are. Worse, I've experienced them. Maybe you haven't .. and thats good. I hope your good luck continues. >> Actually, my presence here amongst the cypherpunks is a direct RESULT of one of those attacks. But I can deal with it without getting paranoid. And you might be correct about paranoia and reality. Stan

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 15:56:14 EST, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM writes: << Stan, whose mind is held hostage by the heathens at A(h)OL, >> You idiot, AOL is with YOU (AOL is part of the 'vast right-wing conspiracy')! See my political page. Stan, http://members.aol.com/StanSquncr/

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 16:58:32 EST, n9505834(a)garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au writes: << > << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person > selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >> > > And what planet do you live on? Yar, everybody knows that it is Rupid Murdoc who runs all the news. >> Well, he runs a large part of the 'show' (Fox news (which has on all the Republican't favorites on sundays)). Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 18:29:55 EST, mgraffam(a)mhv.net writes: << >BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial >spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power >lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My >suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you > anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of > black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your > power supply to do that for you.) See.. now.. you're clearly talking about power protection.. but, you see we _weren't_ talking about power outages, we were talking about compromising emanations being sent through power lines.. and as far as the UPS goes, whether or not a UPS would help such muffle such emanations. >> Right. That's why I pointed out that you shouldn't use a UPS and expect it to prevent large surges (such as the type that occurs when lightning hits your incoming power. So, my statement was NOT stupid, your attack on it was. :-) Stan

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Re: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic)
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 16:23:56 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: << At 16:03 3/20/98 , Bob De Witt wrote: >Stan needs to review his basic electronics. Yes, it will even protect >against lighting if designed for that purpose. Costs vary accordingly ... I think stan just confused UPS's with power strips. >> Obviously, you're just confused. :-) << PGP key available from servers. >> So where's your PGP signiture? Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 16:04:24 EST, rdew(a)el.nec.com writes: << If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be self-limiting. That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass whatever is above that. >> Yes, but what you fail to point out, is the reason it will pass everything, it will have been blown (shorted, most likely). So, because you failed to point this out, I figure the rest of your response isn't worth responding to. Stan

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > It is only now, in supporting your viewpoint out of sheer > > > contrariness, as opposed to being in agreement, that I have > > > finally figured out that your stance is a true CypherPunk > > > position. I have long held that most of those passing through the hallowed halls of the cypherpunks list are not cypherpunks, but entities who are striving to become cypherpunks--once they succeed, most of them move on to other pursuits and activities. Thank God that there are those who maintain their presence on the list over long enough periods of time to help newbies and neophytes to develop a cypherpunk frame of mind. > > > The InterNet is truly a macrocosm of the many societal > > > microcosms already in existence. It is up to each and every > > > one of us to fit into our environment, strive to change it, > > > or abandon it for a different environment. > > > > Yikes! Profound shit, Toto. How come you didn't post this to the > > list? Are you pulling my cyber-leg? Ross Wright, spam-promoter extraordinare, has become so gun-shy that he can no longer recognize the difference between sarcasm and a post by someone who recognizes that all alleged 'spammers' cannot be lumped into the same stereotypical melting pot. There are those who send 60 million emails out to Dog-and-everybody, without regard to suitability to their sensibilities, and there are those who strive to target their emails toward those who may actually have an interest in their offerings. Life itself is a double-edged sword. To compete with the shotgun spammers, those who wish to target an audience which is likely to have a specific interest in their product or cause have need of a database which will help them to categorize the interests of those who traverse the WWW. In doing so, they run the risk of being lumped in with those who use the same technology to monitor the same users in order to work against their self-interest. > > > "Who will help me be a self-actualized individual?" said the > > > New-Age California Little Red Hen. Nobody. For an extended explaination, read Horatio Alger. PrecedentMonger II

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