December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:02:52 +0000 > From: "Frank O'Dwyer" <fod(a)brd.ie> > Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd) > Under an "anarcho-whatever" people are left to their own devices. And *that* is the primary failure of the entire theory. It's strongest point is sufficient to kill it. No, actualy, it's strongest point demands that it be killed. Very weak argument epistomologicaly, with little more to offer than didactic charms. The implication is that individuals are making societal policies with no checks and balances (failure 1). In effect, the only way an individual will be restrained is by some sort of natural community action (never mind that people don't voluntarily act that way, failure 2). There is no clear mechanism to arbitrate disagreements other than the above mechanism pretty much eschewing any sort of standard of behaviour which further fosters non-compliant behaviour (failure 3). There is no clear mechanism that protects property or civil rights since the very arbitration mechanism changes (and by implication the standards of ethics/morality it's held to) on a case by case basis mediated by the whim of chance on the compatibility of any two individuals personal views (failure 4). The arbitrary use of violence is at no point addressed (failure 5). One of the primary arguments for anarcho- based systems is to address corruption and unfair competition. Yet at no point does it sufficiently address the guidelines as to what those are let alone limits on their solutions (failure 6). So what we are left with is a system whereby people mediate their actions based on the compatibility of their personal philosophies. As I've said before, anarcho- based systems make the same phsychological mistake that every system other than a democracy makes; if it works for one person the answer should be acceptable to another. The very fact that the contrary to this is one of the reasons behind anarcho- support doesn't seem to impinge upon the concioussness. Anarchy is contradictory at the axiomatic level. Another way to see it is: Let people do what they want and they'll naturaly conform to what I want. There is this same axiomatic problem with Hayek's economics and social theories. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Rivest Patent
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Cordian [mailto:emc@wire.insync.net] writes: >> So we can't use the rotate instruction with a data-dependent shift >> count in a block encryption algorithm without a license from Ron? "Harvey Rook (Exchange)" <hrook(a)exchange.microsoft.com> writes: > It's a little bit more complicated than that. RC-6, which also uses data > dependant rotations is patent free. It's a little bit more complicated than that. RC6 will be available without licensing charges to anybody if it's tapped as the official winner of the AES bakeoff. If it's not selected, then it's my understanding that RSADSI (Security Dynamics?) may choose to require payment for licensing -- I assume based on the RC5 patent. The current understanding is that AES candidates sign over their rights only if they are selected. Several candidates have been explicitly put into the public domain in advance of the selection process; RC6 is not one of these. Please correct me if it's more complicated than <this>. -- Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 23 Blotmath S.R. 1998, 23:38 12.19.5.12.6, 11 Cimi 19 Zac, Third Lord of Night

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Info Age Crime Terror and War
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Senator Kyl has issued a long report, "Crime, Terror & War: National Security and Public Safety in the Information Age," which recounts his Subcommittee's hearings and recommendations on encryption, Y2K, terrorism, info war, domestic preparedness, wiretap, and more: http://jya.com/ctw.htm (97K) It describes a plan to combat threats to critical infrastructure and the US homeland which, if implemented, would criminalize much held dear to a few of this list's subscribers; other lurkers will be overjoyed to read Kyl coming to the rescue of careers and budgets of MIB and their suppliers of technological of political control. He wants DoD to get cracking on domestic protection, move over piddling LEA. Civil liberties, nonsense. Crypto genie out of the bottle, more nonsense. Getting government access to encrypted communications, you bet. Through commercial products, yep. Thanks to FT for forwarding.

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dbts: Hettinga's Road Trip to London...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- After much hemming and hawing about plane and hotel arrangements, the final confirmation from some conference organizers arrived this past Monday morning. And, yesterday, the State Department promised me a passport on my doorstep this coming Tuesday. So, it now looks like I'm going to London on next Saturday's redeye to speak at the Internet Trading for Global Securities Markets conference, Tuesday and Wednesday, November 24th and 25th at the Hilton Olympia. Because of some interesting economics of cheap hotel room-nights and dear airfare, I'll be staying at the Hilton Olympia itself, on Kensington High Street in London, from the morning of Sunday the 22nd to the morning of Thursday the 26th. This conference has been in the works for months, but we weren't really sure everything was going to happen until, as usual, the last possible minute. I bet a whole bunch of people registered right on the deadline, or something, and they decided they had enough interest to pull the trigger. Oh, well, after dodging those kinds of bullets myself getting the FC conferences and this summer's Philodox Symposium off the ground, I should have expected it from someone else in the same shoes. We all have Duncan Goldie-Scott to thank for this trip, of course. For the past few months, I've been writing a series of articles on digital bearer transaction settlement for the Financial Times Virtual Finance Report, which Duncan edits. I started with cash, and then bonds, and then equity. This month I did derivatives. I've got three more left to do, I figure; one on micromoney, the other two on the possible macro-, and micro-, economic inplications of digital bearer settlement, and maybe one more, on possible deployment strategy, if we get that far. Since I started these articles, I have gotten quite a few pieces of fan mail from Duncan's subscribers, and it has been quite fun. It also seems that some of those folks are going to be at this conference. In addition, after all the dust settled, Duncan himself was made chairman of the conference, so I expect he's going to have his hands full when I get there. As if that wasn't enough, Duncan has also arranged for me to talk privately to some traders he knows at an investment/merchant bank whose name you would recognize, and that should be quite interesting. Duncan says that they've been reading my articles, and they've got lots of questions to ask. So, Duncan, thanks so much for all your good efforts evangelizing digital bearer transaction settlement to your friends in the City. I'm positively psyched to unleash the word hoarde in the Old World, fire up the patented Hettinga rant machine on that side of the pond, and all that. God help you all. :-). So, if anybody wants to get ahold of me in London for a beer and a schmooze while I'm there, (especially if you know someone crazy enough to pay my extortionate personal appearance fee for some of my scarce free time ;-)), the Hilton Olympia's address is 380 Kensington High Street, London W14 8NL, and phone number's 0171 603 3333. You can, of course, email me as well, but, since this is my first trip to Europe, I expect that internet connections, power, etc., for my trusty PowerBook 540c will be interesting, if not, um, creative. So, it might be a good idea to contact Duncan <mailto: dgs(a)live.co.uk>, or at lest cc: him on your communications with me regarding this trip, or while I'm actually there, as he's going to be the Official Philodox "Bob-Handler" on this trip. :-). Here's hoping that I meet some of you in London week after next! Cheers, Bob Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNkxutcUCGwxmWcHhAQEqFQf+Nk+po/iJVHlQpVT3es/uokYkYb7T3nbv NbEyDIEJkT4z5Jsp0omGU36/QFgF7iHAu614ehRAY/lhu7l1/ghrJdFKzQR+3lHU UijWKYe3tyk15oBPhUI2e0G1K52MNSmDl9EL4GQ3hpbBCSOM4UO+4W1q3RYnucGA b3p54QXpYeoRefAhSNiEjRc7Vup+EY1i6vkCONekr4+c9UugQ1sbGuRvCzcivXRk g7o0lktxY1+sXaALEcSgB3sOnG0TJj/HPTpVcsjhw1SFKbxLPKJmytPJ8iR7MEi3 9JMk82Lr6AHTfokAQuLOsEMut8yfsjJ8glg2cxrys+Rbo1qGjHyL+g== =RRO6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: IP: ISPI Clips 6.28: Wiretapping Internet Phone Lines
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This little phone looks nice with one gotcha: they left out encryption. Did they do this just to sell internationally and avoid the privacy issue altogether? Considering how the product is constructed, adding encryption would not be a major step. Mike *********************************************************************** Not all companies are complaining about CALEA. Aplio [ http://www.aplio.com/ ] CEO Olivier Zitoun believes his company's products fall into the FCC's definition of computer-to-computer IP telephony. Aplio sells boxes that can be plugged into normal touch-tone phones and used to call an Internet provider, which routes calls over the Net. "We are very different than other phone-to-phone devices or solutions," Zitoun said. "In a way, the discussion of IP-telephony regulation doesn't really apply to us."

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Duncan Frissell's "Blob" rides again...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:56:02 -0800 To: rah(a)shipwright.com From: Somebody Subject: Guns on the net.. oooo guns on Ebay... this guy is such a dickhead. http://www.msnbc.com/news/214304.asp A simple search of offerings listed on the Web site on Nov. 11 and 12 revealed the following: two cases of hypodermic needles, five sets of Kevlar body armor, 33 AK-47 semi-automatic rifles, four lots of Talon flesh-shredding ammo, one box of contraband Cuban cigars, 11 lots of brass knuckles, 148 lots of federally banned switchblade knives, six UZI submachine guns, one Mas 49/56 sniper rifle, three night vision rifle scopes, one $3,500 pair of Leopard skin pants, a CDRom containing the text of The Anarchists Cookbook as well as instructions for how to build cable signal descramblers, how to obtain Microsoft software for free, and how to get college degrees for free, 27 lots of drug accessories and head-shop paraphernalia, and 1,217 lots of ivory items including a bag of elephant ivory dust. (Microsoft is a partner in MSNBC.) <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Fwd: Turtles and Rocks(s)
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:37:41 -0500 >From: Dan MacInnis <dan.louise(a)sympatico.ca> November 12th, 1998 the Toronto Board of Health announces they want to ban private owner ship of snakes, turtles, any and all exotic pets. Reaction of pet owners was immediate. In this city of just under 3 Million people, most said they would not abide by the law and hide their beloved pets. Where is Allan Rock when they need him? Allan is a resident of Toronto, surely he will leap to their aid and criminalize the ownership of turtles? Surely he knows Aunt Annie well enough to ask her to do it for him? [NOTE by the forwarder: the following paragraphs are a parody of bill C-68, the new firearms control bill. jfa.] But first, let's licence them. Register each, and the owners licenced. Then, we will know where these dangerous critters are, just in case later someone decides to hide a few. Where to put the sticker with the unique number will pose a problem. Later, we can ban them with impunity. The police can use the full force of the Criminal Code to enter and search for turtles and spiders at will. OK, Saskatchewan, this is your time to line up at the trough for jobs as Mirimachi did. We will need a registry office, with 300 employee's, high tech and trained bilingual people. Quebec does not need it, they are getting the RCMP training jobs. Hey, wait, maybe PEI wants it? ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Ciao jfa Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:0xC58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:0x5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C PGP ID:0x6CBA71F7:485888E9FD68415A2945 ACCB366D38486CBA71F7

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national ID cards in the US...
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! I received that today. Maybe it can interest some of you. ========== excerpt ============ I Am Not a Number! Policy Spotlight on National ID Cards -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.free-market.net/features/spotlight/9811.html While most of us weren't looking, the U.S. Congress passed two bills that effectively authorize national ID cards. One was a law to reform health insurance that included a provision for a "Unique Patient Identifier." The other was an immigration law that required all U.S. states to include Social Security numbers on drivers' licenses. [snip] ========= end of excerpt ============ Ciao jfa "Cryptography is like literacy in the Dark Ages. Infinitely potent, for good and ill... yet basically an intellectual construct, an idea, which by its nature will resist efforts to restrict it to bureaucrats and others who deem only themselves worthy of such Privilege." _ A thinking man's Creed for Crypto/ vbm.

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SIGH... NOT!! THC tainted oranges
by cypherpu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just spoke by phone with john(author of the article in question) at the sfbay guardian The article was distributed without the satire labeling that was present at the website... The article is Satire :( duped and disappointed :(

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How do crack newer Win95 PWL files ?
by Chris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know how the newer Win95 PWL files could be cracked ? I mean not those files which work with GLIDE (Header of those files is: 0xB04D464E = ".MFN", their username starts at position 0x208). I mean PWL files which have the following header: 0xE3828596 and the information begins at 0x252 ! I've pointed out that these PWL files depend in some way on a kind of randomness, a counter how often you have changed your password and may be on the username or the password. So if anybody knows how this could be done please let me know.

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Re: Info Age Crime Terror and War
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John, The 1st - encrypted communications are speech. The 4th - plaintext that has been encrypted cannot be "found." The 5th - If your password is memorized then the only way to produce it is as a witness against yourself. So much for the layman's view. What is the current legal thinking and, more importantly, the relevant legal precedents? Aren't they ( LE ) making a bit of a leap when they say that the Constitution defines access to information not just items? It looks like the only way to achieve the information access they want is through modification of the Constitution. There is often a right-leaning political flavor to the CP list but isn't it such right-wingers as Rhenquist and Starr who invented the various forms of immunity that already can be used to subvert the 5th? Now they are trying to establish the legal equivalence of the physical and the virtual. I wish Kyle et al well in their fight against legions of terrorists but I hope that they have an impossible battle ahead of them when it comes to downgrading the Bill of Rights. Besides, more than wanting to protect us little lambs from terrorists, I think they recognize the degree to which technology is changing the world and are trying to resist the power shifts that are likely. The other reasons they give are mostly chaff. Regards, Mike John Young wrote: > > Senator Kyl has issued a long report, "Crime, Terror & > War: National Security and Public Safety in the Information > Age," which recounts his Subcommittee's hearings and > recommendations on encryption, Y2K, terrorism, info war, > domestic preparedness, wiretap, and more: > > http://jya.com/ctw.htm (97K) > > It describes a plan to combat threats to critical infrastructure > and the US homeland which, if implemented, would criminalize > much held dear to a few of this list's subscribers; other lurkers > will be overjoyed to read Kyl coming to the rescue of careers > and budgets of MIB and their suppliers of technologies of > political control. > > He wants DoD to get cracking on domestic protection, move over > piddling LEA. Civil liberties, nonsense. Crypto genie out of the bottle, > more nonsense. Getting government access to encrypted > communications, you bet. Through commercial products, yep. >

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network associates back in kra
by Steve Mynott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

subject says it all roll on gpg -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk http://www.pineal.com/ if we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it? - albert einstein

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Computers as instruments of liberation
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Wired News" carried an article reporting on a plan to (somehow) spread computers around the world, blah blah, and quoting John Gage at Sun on how this would promote peace. A couple of paragraphs have Cypherpunks resonances" --begin excerpt-- Conference tackles ``techno-inequality'' By Judy DeMocker SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - When US farmers can call their cows home individually using animal pagers, but the average teenager in Burkina Faso has never made a ..... Wiring developing nations could have some far-reaching consequences. One might be that computer-based communications would be used to keep the peace, according Net Day co-founder John Gage, who works by day as Sun Microsystems' chief scientist. When content from The New York Times can be translated into 30 Arab dialects, for example, or when a remote Rawandan village has access to more perspectives than the local magistrate, the Internet may become an instrument in preventing violence. ``The Web gives people access to other voices, and instant access to speaking about how the world really is,'' said Gage. ''If people can get that, maybe that band of villagers will think twice before going down the road and killing its neighbors.'' --end excerpt-- Fatuous nonsense. After all, those folks down the road may be taxing them, and may need killing. Or those folks may use computer networks to connect to others for the purposes of liberation. I see computer networks as promoting secessionism, freedom fighting, and resistance in general. The New World Order, the One Worlders, see this as "terrorism." Which is why strong encryption is needed. Which is why "they" oppose strong encryption. John Gage has a typically Fabian socialist view that somehow computerization will lead to an orderly, peaceful world. Me, I view networks as the key to retribution and justice. --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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RE: 4 Horseman not so bad..
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote: >>> but some peope are scared of > >>> drugs/paedophiles/terrorists etc, so thats the way in for the > jackboots. > >>> To oppose it we need to reduce fear. > Chip wrote: >>Thats the most interesting POV I've ever heard >>of in these discussions, seems like for the most part, >>we counter fear arguments with other fear arguments, >>Never saw this before. Bears more examination. Anon wrote: > Right. The new Happy Net campaign. > Druggies.. why, they're friendly enough to > be elected officials in such peaks of civilization as > D.C. and L.A. And the more successful recreational > pharmaceutical merchants are luxury-car and mobile > telecomm early adopters! London is full of spy cameras (mostly owned by banks and large corporations, pointing out from their windows and doors) Nobody much objects to the invasion of privacy. Why? Because lots of them are scared of the streets. If they knew the actual chance of getting robbed or beaten up they probably wouldn't be so scared.

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[humor] Testing software
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A friend of mine sent me the following: We are in the process of testing the new piece of software we designed: > AGGRESSION TESTING: If this doesn't work, I'm gonna kill somebody. > > COMPRESSION TESTING: [] > > CONFESSION TESTING: Okay, Okay, I did program that bug. > > CONGRESSIONAL TESTING: Are you now, or have you ever been a bug? > > DEPRESSION TESTING: If this doesn't work, I'm gonna kill myself. > > EGRESSION TESTING: Uh-oh, a bug... I'm outta here. > > DIGRESSION TESTING: Well, it works, but can I tell you about my truck... > > EXPRESSION TESTING: #@%^&*!!!, a bug. > > OBSESSION TESTING: I'll find this bug if it's the last thing I do. > > OPPRESSION TESTING: Test this now! > > POISSON TESTING: Alors! Regardez le poisson! > > REPRESSION TESTING: It's not a bug, it's a feature. > > SECESSION TESTING: The bug is dead! Long live the bug! > > SUGGESTION TESTING: Well, it works but wouldn't it be better if... Added by JFA: DELUSION TESTING: Naahhhh, don't loose any time doing any testing, it'll work... Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Re: TEMPEST laptops
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM -0800 11/1/98, Dave Emery wrote: >On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 09:53:37AM -0800, Tim May wrote: >> >> Anyway, were I to try to shield a laptop I'd start with microwave leakage >> meters, a couple of t.v.s and radio (of different types and bands), and >> then I'd start recording signal levels of various sorts as different >> shielding layers and types were applied to the laptop(s). Simple lab stuff. >> > > As someone who has actually spent hellish weeks working to >suppress the RF emissions of some commericial network gear I designed - >to make it pass FCC B and VDE certification - let me say this is a black >art and no fun. There are sophisticated electromagnetics programs that >can sometimes succeed in modeling the radiation from a computer system, >but they are very expensive and inputting all the required information >is painful or downright impossible (data just not available or in a >usable format), so this nasty job usually gets done seat of the pants >style using rules of thumb and educated guesses and hard won experiance >and lots of trial and error. The job consists of attaching lossy >ferrite beads, copper tape and other RF and common mode current supressing >devices, shielding plastic packages with spray metallic coatings, adding ... All good points, but there's a big difference between trying to meet FCC emissions requirements for a commercial product that has to meet cost, weight, and cosmetic requirements (e.g., a plastic case!), and the scenario of making a TEMPEST-like box for a laptop. Ferrite beads and copper tape are a lot different from a sealed box made of 10-gauge copper sheet. > Nobody does this using ordinary radios and TVs, the standard >tool is a broadband spectrum analyzer or special EMC receiver with >quasipeak filters and special calibrated wideband dipole antennas that >have known gain and pattern characteristics. Isolating of radiating >sites is often done with near field probes or sniffers attached to the >spectrum analyzer that allow hot spots to be tracked to within a few cm. >Often in order to get enough sensitivity one also needs special >preamps, and a RF quiet site where signals from the DUT aren't drowned >out by pagers and cellphones and emissions from nearby computers. A >good bit of this work is done way out in the country under non-metallic >fiberglass buildings that don't create reflections that confuse the >measurements. And conducted as opposed to radiated noise is measured >with special power line filters and cable filters... Sure, but my point was that John Young should *at least* start with actual measurements, as opposed to putting most of the onus on a FOIA request to get TEMPEST docs declassified. If he can get spectrum analyzers and all that stuff, so much the better. --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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No vulnerability known in SSH-1.2.26
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:33:29 +0200 (EET) From: Tatu Ylonen <ylo(a)ssh.fi> To: ssh(a)clinet.fi, ssh-bugs(a)clinet.fi, bugtraq(a)netspace.org, info(a)rootshell.com, coderpunks(a)toad.com CC: "David A. Curry" <davy(a)ers.ibm.com>, cert(a)cert.org, auscert(a)auscert.org.au Subject: No vulnerability known in SSH-1.2.26 Organization: SSH Communications Security, Finland Sender: owner-coderpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- As the original author of SSH I want to comment on the rumored vulnerabilities. I have personally looked into the claimed vulnerabilities, including the ones reported by IBM, and do not have any reason to assume that there would be any vulnerability in ssh-1.2.26. NO SUCH VULNERABILITY IS KNOWN. I repeat, I KNOW OF NO VULNERABILITY IN SSH-1.2.26. The IBM-ERS report on ssh vulnerability turned out to be false alert. They could not reproduce it after they recompiled their ssh and linux kernel. I have personally checked all places where ssh displays debugging messages, log messages, or otherwise uses functions like sprintf. I was unable to find any vulnerabilities. I have talked to people at both CERT and the IBM emergency response service and none of them seems to have any knowledge of any vulnerability in SSH. In summary, to my best knowledge, ssh-1.2.26 can be safely used. Please communicate this information to the relevant people. Brief history of events: - On October 28, the rootshell.com home page was defaced by hackers. After the host was brought up to date, their front page contained information that listed the services that had been active, and mentioned that entry may have been made with ssh. (Note that this does not by itself indicate anything; password or other authentication may have been obtained at the other end) - On October 29, a message about the rootshell case is posted to bugtraq and possibly other mailing lists. Many people took this as indication of a vulnerability in ssh. - We looked at the rootshell case, and found no cause for alarm, but decided to be watching. - On October 30, IBM sent an draft advisory reporting a buffer overflow vulnerability that could be used to gain root access to any host running ssh from anywhere on the Internet. The draft advisory was sent to at least CERT, FIRST, ssh-bugs, and a few other places. - On october 30, several major computer manufacturers and their offices around the world were advising their customers to follow the situation, and possibly disable ssh for now. Some CERTs around the world issued preliminary alerts to their most important sites. - I learn of the IBM advisory on October 31 at 2 AM. By 6 AM I've talked to both CERT and IBM Emergency Response Team, checked the code claimed to be at fault (finding no problem), and no-one seems to have any concrete information, and we conclude there is no cause for immediate alarm. - By November 1, the IBM researchers who found the vulnerability in the IBM draft advisory have been reached. One of them says he never saw an exploit, and the other first said he had an exploit and he was going to send it over shortly, and the next day he said that he could no longer reproduce the problem after recompiling ssh. He does not appear to have an exploit after all. - I've personally gone through all places where ssh1 passes information to sprintf, log_msg, or any other functions using sprintf. I found no security problems. I found one place where an argument to a format string was missing, but it is probably not exploitable, and one place where one byte less was allocated for a string than was used (only appears on Solaris). Neither of these have security consequences or are cause for alarm. - On November 1, the IBM announcement for which IBM has already issued a cancellation is widely distributed by rootshell through their announcement list. - Now at Morning November 2, I'm convinced (>99% sure) that both the rootshell issue and the IBM draft advisory were false alerts. We are also trying to track down the linux compilation problem that may have caused the false alert behind the IBM advisory. We will issue an announcement as soon as possible if real vulnerability is found. For more information, please keep tracking http://www.ssh.fi/sshprotocols2. Best regards, Tatu Ylonen <ylo(a)ssh.fi> - -- SSH Communications Security http://www.ssh.fi/ SSH IPSEC Toolkit http://www.ipsec.com/ Free Unix SSH http://www.ssh.fi/sshprotocols2/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNj1tbqkZxfGWH0o1AQEaLwP+LPhkCOGFs30gfbyjMLLMkNp03OOfpALJ uwqBvLPIntIWhHbjq1GF9D3hekyQ3PdiC+5SEBfFBj1xlAg1SPROJ2JV5d2QHuPm B39j3YuQSJT5j/QXN0nkbP7ll9UoPJ9eMWBQvd5Hgf//eAk6ccns4fUqensMypeR 9J3O2JQG6ow= =gesm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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RE: TEMPEST laptops
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lucky Green [SMTP:shamrock@cypherpunks.to] > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:33 PM > To: Bill Stewart > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: TEMPEST laptops > > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Bill Stewart wrote: > [...] > > Just using a regular laptop isn't enough; I've seen laptops > > transmit recognizable images to a television (though I was probably > > using AC power rather than batteries, and may or may not have had > > the display mode set to LCD-and-monitor.) > > Thanks for touching on the popuar myth that laptops radiate less than > CRT's. Many laptops in fact radiate more compromising emissions than > CRT's. Ross Anderson does his van Eck demos to undergrads using a laptop, > because it works so much better than CRT's. > > -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. Nearly all laptops have a built-in video port, for connection to an external monitor. This is often poorly shielded (usually just a plastic plug). I'd be curious to know how much the radiation from this port could be attenuated by (1) a metal plug contacting the laptop's ground plane, and (2) removing all the video-port specific circuitry (major surgery for a laptop :-( ). Peter Trei

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orange book
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monday 11/2/98 7:55 AM PaulMerrill(a)ACM.Org I looked at the orange book at NOT the Orange Book - http://www.jya.com/ntob.htm NSA employee Tom White http://jya.com/nsasuit.txt got me a copy of I was told was THE NSA orange book for Sandias implementation of the NSA Benincasa nss/uso authentication algorithm.. The report I saw was concerned about implementation of cryptographic units. Things like shielding, power filtering, red-black boundaries, shift register compromising signals, some software guidelines,.... The soft-cover report was mostly hardware-oriented. What I see at jya.com is not the orange book Sandia was given. bill payne Title: Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms Jump to Forum Click Image to Jump to Next Article Go to Text Only Print Version Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms by William H. Payne This article requires special formatting. Please Click Here to Read Send This Article to a Friend: Your Name: Email Address of your Friend: Your Email address: Back to Home Page Quick Menu Visit the Button Shop Interactive Forum Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms E-mail the Editor

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Re: TEMPEST laptops
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Understand that my comments are just some "common sense with a little > bit of physics" estimates, not direct knowledge of how best to shield > laptops. > I'd do this in preference to worrying about what some 1978 government > docs had to say about the subject. TEMPEST the specs are probably a > mixture of "RF shielding" tips and standards, and a mix of Van Eck > radiation tuner designs. > A long time ago I ran thermal measurement boards on a piece of equipment in liquid He under vacuum. Pretty icy. I used only standard components. My question is this - anyone know of any estimates of how weak a signal could be detected and actually rendered into useful information? The relevance of the low-T stuff is that it seems like a nice way to make low-noise receiving equipment. With an estimate of the capabilities of the receiver ( @exotic-lHe and commonplace-lN2 temps ) you could then address the emissions of the laptop with reasonable, quantitative target levels. Sort of reverse engineer the TEMPEST specs as it were. It would be nice to know what needed to be done to reduce emissions to the point that you could be fairly sure that an eavesdropper had to park on your doorstep to make his equipment work. > VERY FEW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT SECURITY. > Since they don't have anything to hide, why should they worry? Argh. ergo - if they're hiding something they are guilty of something. Bust the doors down boys. Mike

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Techno Warfare In The 21st Century (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Sex, Terrorism and the NET
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Seeking CDSA source code reference implementation
by DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am searching for a source code reference implementation of the CDSA V2.0 standard as published by the Open Group. I know that a freely available implementation has been released by IBM (MIT Jonah PKIX Freeware, can be downloaded from http://web.mit.edu/pfl) but this is legally accessible only for US citizen. I have tried to spot the CDSA source but have not found anything up to now. Has this software found its way outside the US yet? I'd like to put my fingers on it without actually breaking fed laws... Thanx.

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No Subject
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Might as well include the laptop with the box, including an encrypted filesystem and some software and hardware booby trap features. Whitecap

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RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the Foregone Alternative
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> paradox of financial cryptography, and, more specifically, > digital bearer settlement, is not that it gives you privacy > and freedom (anarchy? :-)) Anarchy != privacy In fact to many people privacy is a very statist construct, as they clamor for more privacy regulations by government. The contradiction is government has a vested interest in preventing privacy from itself, and generally makes loud but ineffectual noise in creating privacy from others. There are many anarchic elements financial cryptography, such as: * That you can achieve greater privacy through cryptographic means instead of government means by limiting the information transfer via zero knowledge, blinding, cryptographic pseudonymity, etc. * That you can exchange money in ways that are secured cryptographically and settled instantly that do not rely on the government as observer/auditor/enforcer[/taxer]. * You can create private currencies that do not rely on government goodwill and stability to retain their value. * That you can enforce contracts via electronic mediation and reputation punishment in a way that does not rely on biometric ID and government mediation/enforcement. Therefore traditionally archical processes become anarchical (without state [involvement]). It is the *process*, not the result that is anarchic, and it is the process, not the result, that is cheaper. Cryptography (cpu-cycles) is cheaper than government, with a falling cost versus a rising one. Will all these free anarchical processes eventually result in an anarchic state? Maybe. But the economics of the processes is the prime mover, the politics of the result is a consequence. Matt

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IP: Privacy: Dangers of security measures
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Privacy: Dangers of security measures Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:38:16 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Federal Computer Week http://www.fcw.com/pubs/fcw/1998/1026/web-epic-10-26-98.html OCTOBER 26, 1998 . . . 16:35 EST Privacy watchdog group warns about dangers of security measures BY HEATHER HARRELD (heather(a)fcw.com) The recommendations of a presidential commission for protecting the nation's critical computer systems -- many of which are being launched by various federal entities -- would expand government authority and lead to civil liberty violations, according to a report released today by a privacy think tank. The report, authored by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, asserts that the expanded role of the Defense Department and the FBI required to ward off perceived information warfare threats to the nation's critical infrastructures would infringe upon various civil liberties, such as freedom of speech, privacy protections and the Freedom of Information Act. Specifically, Wayne Madsen, senior fellow at EPIC and author of the report, noted that the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies would have their roles expanded from collecting international intelligence data to focusing efforts on domestic computer security. Traditionally, the NSA has been prohibited from playing a role in the protection of unclassified computer security data. But because infrastructure protection involves working closely with the private-sector owners and operators of infrastructure, such as telecommunications companies and banks, this role would be expanded. The report from the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection supported the use of key-recovery encryption, a technology mechanism strongly supported by the NSA that would allow law enforcement officials to descramble encrypted data with a court order or other authorization. It also suggests that the federal government create new classifications for government information and provide federal agencies with expanded latitude for classifying information, according to Madsen. "The intelligence community...has had its sights set on restricting access to public information for years," Madsen said. "There's been a struggle between NSA and civilian agencies over who will be responsible for protecting unclassified information. NSA [in commission recommendations] will become the de facto information security czar." But Jeffrey Hunker, director of the Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office, which was created by President Clinton to carry out many of the recommendations in the commission's report, said his office places First Amendment and civil liberty concerns foremost in its work. "We are dealing with a new and evolving threat environment," Hunker said. "Discussions about civil liberties need to recognize the fact that there are new threats that pose real risks to Americans at home...and their way of life." Mail questions to webmaster(a)fcw.com Copyright 1998 FCW Government Technology Group ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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IP: More clinics receive "anthrax" letters as authorities await results
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: More clinics receive "anthrax" letters as authorities await results Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:17:26 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Fox News - AP More clinics receive letters as authorities await results 8.00 p.m. ET (101 GMT) October 31, 1998 By Susanna Ray, Associated Press INDIANAPOLIS (AP) Federal marshals stood watch Saturday over an abortion clinic that received a letter claiming, "You have just been exposed to anthrax.'' Authorities meanwhile awaited results of tests on the envelope's contents. The Planned Parenthood clinic was one of five clinics that received envelopes Friday containing a brown, powdery substance and threatening notes. The others were in the southern Indiana town of New Albany, Knoxville, Tenn., and two in Louisville, Ky. On Saturday, two other clinics one in Wichita, Kan., and another in Louisville reported receiving similar letters. Authorities said the letter to the Wichita clinic was postmarked in Cincinnati, just like the ones sent to at least four other clinics. Pat Bashore of the FBI in Louisville said he did not know the origin of two of the Louisville letters. In Wichita, an employee called the fire department, which contacted federal authorities. FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said the envelope wasn't opened but "looking at it through backlighting, it doesn't appear to contain anything at all.'' The clinic was evacuated for about 45 minutes. Friday's incident at the Indianapolis clinic prompted police to decontaminate 31 people who were scrubbed down and treated with antibiotics at hospitals as a precaution. Two people from a Louisville clinic also were treated at the hospital Friday. Preliminary tests on the contents of the New Albany envelope and one from Louisville were negative for anthrax, a strain of bacteria that can be used as a biological weapon. Contents of a letter sent to the Knoxville Reproductive Health Center will be sent to a lab for testing, the FBI said. Results of testing in the Indianapolis case had not been completed Saturday, FBI agent Doug Garrison said. Michael Smith, who lives in an apartment near the Indianapolis clinic, said he's opposed to abortion, but now is scared about what anti-abortion extremists might do next. "You're automatically wondering what chemicals went off. I mean, my window's open. ... I feel endangered,'' he said. Meanwhile, a Newsweek poll found that 60 percent of Americans believe the anti-abortion movement has to share at least some of the blame for recent violence against abortion provides. Fears of violent attacks against abortion providers were heightened Oct. 23 when a sniper fatally shot a doctor who performs abortions near Buffalo. Thirty-three percent of those responding said the anti-abortion movement is indirectly connected to the violence because of statements that encourage violence. Another 27 percent believed there is a more direct connection, the Newsweek poll said. The survey also found that 51 percent of Americans sympathize with abortion-rights efforts and 39 percent back the anti-abortion effort. The poll appears in the Nov. 9 issue of the magazine, which is on newsstands Monday. Its margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. © 1998 Associated Press. All rights reserved. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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IP: FBI: Anthrax Threat Likely a Hoax
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: FBI: Anthrax Threat Likely a Hoax Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:35:33 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/digest/nat004.htm FBI: Anthrax Threat to Abortion Clinics Likely a Hoax By John Kelly Associated Press Writer Friday, October 30, 1998; 9:20 p.m. EST INDIANAPOLIS - Four abortion clinics in three states received letters Friday claiming to contain deadly anthrax bacteria, prompting the evacuation of the Indianapolis clinic and sending at least 33 people to hospitals, authorities said. Clinics in New Albany, Louisville, Ky., and Knoxville, Tenn., also received letters, Planned Parenthood and federal officials said. All of the letters bore Cincinnati postmarks. The clinic in New Albany, across the river from Louisville, was not evacuated because the letter was not opened, authorities said. A letter sent to a clinic in Bloomington later was determined to contain business correspondence and was not a threat, local police said. An employee of the Louisville clinic and the mail carrier who delivered that letter were taken to the University of Louisville Hospital, treated and released. "The initial investigation has clearly indicated that the substance is unlikely to be anthrax," FBI agent Carl Christiansen said. The FBI is investigating a similar threat at the Knoxville Reproductive Health Center in Knoxville, Tenn., agent Scott Nowinski said. The letter appeared to be a hoax, he said. No one at the Indianapolis clinic complained of any symptoms after an employee opened the letter Friday afternoon. Officials said is was unclear whether the letter actually contained anthrax, a strain of bacteria that can be used as a biological weapon. "We do not know that. But we are handling it as if it were," police Maj. Tim Horty said. The 31 people, who included seven clinic workers, two firefighters, two police officers and the postal carrier who delivered the letter, were stripped, washed with soap and water and dressed in hospital scrubs inside a blue tent in a strip mall parking lot before being taken to a local hospital. They were given antibiotics as a preventive measure. All were expected to be released by Friday night. "No one is sick, no one is experiencing pain," Horty said. Horty said a clinic employee called police about 1 p.m. to report a threatening letter. Inside a small, white envelope was a brown powdery substance and a note saying "you have just been exposed to anthrax." Administrators isolated the envelope in the clinic, but didn't say where or how, Horty said. Police evacuated all other stores in the strip mall and immediately quarantined the clinic. The people exposed to the letter are being taken to Wishard, Methodist and Community hospitals for observation, and are not in any danger, fire Lt. Jack Cassaday said. The hospitals and 911 have been inundated by calls from people in the area who think they might have been exposed, Cassaday said. "No one who was not inside the clinic could have possibly been exposed," he said. Anthrax is a disease normally associated with animals such as sheep or goats. Its spores can infect people who breathe them in. It can kill if left untreated, but antibiotics can usually cure the disease. Authorities in Indianapolis were in the process of having the powder analyzed and hope to know by Monday whether it is anthrax, said Virginia A. Caine, Marion County Health Department director. If the powder is confirmed to be anthrax, those exposed will have to take antibiotics for four weeks, and possibly the anthrax vaccine as well, she said. The letters were received a week after abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian, 52, was shot and killed by a sniper in his home in suburban Buffalo, N.Y. "We receive threats from time to time, but nothing very substantial. The employees here did the appropriate thing. This did not look suspicious until they opened it," said Delbert Culp, president of Planned Parenthood of Central and Southern Indiana. "These are just political extremists who call themselves pro-life. This is not pro-life." Ann Minnis of Haubstadt, Ind., president of Gibson County Right to Life, an anti-abortion group, said she has been with the organization for 25 years and has "never met anyone who would do such a thing. "We're about saving lives, not about anything like that (the anthrax threats)," she said. "Heavens, it's horrible." © Copyright 1998 The Associated Press ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. 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IP: Anthrax Scare
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Anthrax Scare Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:39:22 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Indianapolis Star News http://starnews.com/news/citystate/98/oct/1030SN_anthrax.html Letter claims it was contaminated with Anthrax 29 people are contained, decontaminated at Planned Parenthood clinic By Stephen Beaven Indianapolis Star/News INDIANAPOLIS (Oct. 30, 1998) -- At least 29 people were treated Friday afternoon for possible exposure to the deadly biological toxin Anthrax at a Planned Parenthood clinic at East 21st Street and Ritter Avenue. The FBI confirmed late Friday afternoon that clinics in New Albany and Bloomington received similar threats. The Planned Parenthood eastside clinic received a letter shortly after 1 p.m. with a simple message -- you have been exposed to Anthrax, according to the Indianapolis Fire Department. Police and health and safety workers swooped in soon after to quarantine the people in the building. At least a dozen professionals from the fire department's hazardous materials team entered the building in white decontamination suits with surgical masks and safety glasses to treat those inside. After being scrubbed down, the people in the clinic were being taken to area hospitals late Friday afternoon. "The last thing we want to do is contaminate a hospital," said one police official on the scene. "No one is showing symptoms at this time, but they are scared and upset." A worker at the clinic opened a plain beige envelope with a Cincinnati postmark Friday afternoon. Inside there was a simple letter with the threat. It was unclear if the letter actually contained Anthrax, which is generally used in biological warfare and terrorism. But even if it was a hoax, it looked real, according to IFD Lt. Jack Cassaday. "It looked like Anthrax so whoever sent it knew enough to package it the right way," he said. It has not been confirmed that the letter indeed was contaminated with Anthrax. The substance was being tested at a local lab, Cassaday added. The bacteria Anthrax has flu-like symptoms which do not surface until one to six days. The symptoms are high fever, chest pains and hemmoraging. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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IP: Farah: The cops are out of control
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: E Pluribus Unum <eplurib(a)infinet.com> Subject: IP: Farah: The cops are out of control Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:39:20 -0500 To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <eplurib(a)infinet.com> The cops are out of control Until very recently, as a law-abiding person, the presence of police generally gave me a feeling of security, well-being, order. Not any more. I confess that, lately, when I see a cop in my rear-view mirror, I get a very uneasy feeling. Maybe it's the horror stories we're hearing. Maybe it's the way local and state police have become little more than appendages of the federal law-enforcement apparatus. Maybe it's the fact that so many cops have taken sides against the Constitution and the rights of the people in the name of more efficient crime-prevention. But the recent incidents in Oklahoma, where police shot an unarmed mother holding her child in her home, in Virginia, where a SWAT team killed a watchman guarding a dice game at an after-hours club and in California, where a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms raid on a gun shop resulted in the death of the shopkeeper, provide some hard evidence that police in America may be getting out of control I think also about columnist Geoff Metcalf's anecdote about the law-abiding man arrested and jailed for having in his possession a tire iron, which was classified as a deadly weapon. Had he brandished it? No. Had he threatened anyone? No. Had the California Highway Patrol officer awakened on the wrong side of her bed that morning? Maybe. But when you start putting all these incidents together, with the backdrop of the massacre in Waco, Texas, and the unnecessary shootout at Ruby Ridge, it's no wonder Americans like me are beginning to worry about the possibilities of an emerging police state. "Oh, it couldn't happen here," some retort. "America is different. The cops are our friends." That may have been true through most of our history. But there's one big difference today. The government no longer trusts the people. There is a move to disarm the populace and to entrust our safety solely to professional law enforcement. This is a pattern we've seen in other authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. It's a prerequisite to the formation of a police state. It's what our Founding Fathers warned us about. It's why we have a Second Amendment. One of the other problems we face in America today is the increasing number of laws on the books designed to turn virtually everyone into a law-breaker. It's easier for cops today to fill their quota of arrests and citations by targeting non-threatening, non-violent citizens than it is actually chasing down violent criminals. Too often, today's cops make no distinction between hardened, professional criminals, and people who may or may not be in technical violation of the law -- perhaps even an unjust, unconstitutional law. But the biggest danger we face is the federalization and militarization of all law enforcement. Inter-agency task forces, bringing together local and state police with federal agents are now the rule of the day. Federal agencies bribe local cops with funding, equipment and training programs. America is rapidly becoming an "us vs. them" society -- with the cops and government on one side and the people on the other. Many of us don't feel the heat yet. But it's just a matter of time before we're all confronted with the harsh realities of the new emerging police state. One of these days -- and it may be sooner rather than later -- America is going to be confronted with a real domestic emergency. It's not a matter of if, but when. We've had precious few real domestic crises throughout our history, and Americans have become spoiled. Thus, we take our freedoms for granted. There are so many possibilities and excuses on the horizon -- Y2K, terrorism, the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction from rogue states as well as China and Russia. Will America respond to the next crisis in a way that preserves our civil rights and liberties? Or will we lose our tentative grasp on freedom -- giving up an illustrious tradition for the sake of security, safety, order? If we're to maintain any semblance of freedom in the worst of times, we must hold the government and police accountable in the best of times. A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentaries can be heard at http://www.ktkz.co -- ****************************************************************** E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 Grove City, OH 43123 Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib(a)infinet.com ****************************************************************** **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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IP: 18-year-old rebels against being numbered
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: E Pluribus Unum <eplurib(a)infinet.com> Subject: IP: 18-year-old rebels against being numbered Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:43:27 -0500 To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <eplurib(a)infinet.com> YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE ... 18-year-old rebels against being numbered Wins right to vote without Social Security registration By David M. Bresnahan Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com LAS VEGAS, NV -- Even though government agencies tried their best to stop him, an 18-year-old will vote for the first time in the Nov. 3 election. Last July, Joshua Hansen, 18, went to register to vote. A few days later he received a letter in the mail from Kathryn Ferguson, registrar of voters of Clark County, Nevada, rejecting his application. Hansen had refused to supply a Social Security number on his application and Ferguson rejected him as a voter. Hansen says he does not have a Social Security number, driver's license, or government issued ID card. He says that he never will. He also refuses to pay income tax. He defends his stands on these issues based on his study of the U.S. Constitution and his religious beliefs. He says he is willing to pay any price and will not give in to government pressure. Hansen takes his right to vote seriously. So seriously that he took Ferguson to court to prove his point. With the help of his uncle, attorney Joel F. Hansen, he got the court to order Ferguson to permit him to vote. He belongs to the First Christian Fellowship of Eternal Sovereignty, which he says is a political religion based on Christianity and the Constitution which people of all denominations may join. "It's a fellowship of anybody who's Christian who really exercises their Christian beliefs within politics," explained Hansen in a phone interview with WorldNetDaily. "The Social Security number was much like the mark of the beast talked about in the "Book of Revelations." One of the main reasons is that it, I mean you can't buy or sell without it, it's hard to do a lot of business without it. Have you ever tried to get a job without one, or voting or anything? A lot of the stuff talked about in the prophecy had come to life and I said, 'I don't want one of those.' "Everything around Social Security is a lie. I don't want any of the benefits from it and I don't want to pay for it. The system's going bankrupt. Anything I pay for I'll never see anyway. It's blatantly unlawful and unconstitutional," explained Hansen. Living without a Social Security number is a challenge, but not a major problem for Hansen. He has no bank account, works only for family members who will pay him "under the table," refuses to get a driver's license, and won't pay taxes. Recently he started his own Internet consulting business. He just finished high school this year and says he has very few friends who believe as he does. He belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "Because of my political beliefs," says Hansen, "I have a lot of trouble getting along at church with a lot of my fellow members." The members of his church believe in "The Articles of Faith," a portion of it reads "We believe in . . . obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." "They told me that the law said I had to have a number," explains Hansen. "I said, 'This is kind of stupid because all these numbers are obtained through the identification I already have.' When you get a driver's license or an ID card here, basically you show them your birth certificate, and to prove residency you write down on a little paper what your address is and sign something that says you're not lying, which is all you do on a voter registration thing." Ferguson didn't like Hansen's logic. She rejected his application to vote. Hansen contacted many elected officials for help. Some responded and some didn't, but none were of much help so he decided to take it to court. "The Constitution of Nevada establishes who can vote," explained Hansen. "If you're an idiot, you're insane, and if you don't have residency you can't vote. That's it." Hansen filed a Writ of Mandamus in the Clark County District Court. The purpose was to have the court order Ferguson to register Hansen so he can vote. Nevada law states that the "County Clerk shall require a person to submit official identification as proof of residence and identity, such as a driver's license or other official document before registering him." Hansen presented a diploma from high school and a birth certificate, but Ferguson demanded a Social Security card, driver's license, or a state ID card. Hansen does not have those items and in his petition to the court his attorney stated, "therefore, he presented alternative identification to the Registrar of Voters, but his right to register to vote was refused and denied by the county registrar of voters." Hansen was more surprised than anyone when his petition was granted by the court. "I didn't think I'd win," he said. On Oct. 19, the court ordered Ferguson to register Hansen to vote, and he now plans to cast his first ballot on Nov. 3. This may be just the first of many battles ahead for Hansen. He does drive a car, and does not plan to get a license. "The government has no right to regulate who can and cannot drive unless they have proven themselves to be a danger to the community and have been convicted by 12 informed jurors," wrote Hansen in an e-mail message to WorldNetDaily. "Assuming that everyone is already a danger and by telling us we must have a license to drive is known better as 'prior restraint' and according to the U.S. Supreme Court is unconstitutional." Hansen also objects to the current law which will implement a national ID card on Oct. 1, 2000. He says that Congress passed the law using illegal immigration control as the excuse. "The even more ironic twist is that most of the illegal immigrants coming here are filtering from Mexico trying to reap the socialist benefits offered by the federal government. Welfare, government schools, health care, social security, etc. If you want to stop illegal immigration bring back the American way of work hard and succeed as opposed to show up and leech off the tax payers," wrote Hansen. He concluded his e-mail by saying, "There is nothing they can ever do to make me surrender my personal freedom, nothing. I don't know a lot of people who exercise freedom to the point of fanaticism I do. I will not pay federal income tax, I will not be marked my their unconstitutional anti-Christ numbers. I will not take any of their socialist benefits. I will not bow before any bureaucracy. I will not surrender my God-given freedom to those bastards for any reason." David Bresnahan is a contributing editor of WorldNetDaily.com, and is the author of "Cover Up: The Art and Science of Political Deception." You may e-mail him at David(a)talkusa.com -- ****************************************************************** E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 Grove City, OH 43123 Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. 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IP: ISPI Clips 6.03: Privacy Here and Abroad
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 6.03: Privacy Here and Abroad Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:06:37 -0800 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 6.03: Privacy Here and Abroad News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) November 1, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: The Washington Post, Saturday, October 31, 1998; Page A16 http://www.washingtonpost.com Privacy Here and Abroad http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-10/31/083l-103198-idx.h tml CONCERN OVER the privacy of personal data is sharpening as the problem appears in more and sometimes unexpected contexts -- everything from employer testing of people's genetic predispositions to resale of their online reading habits or their bank records. When the data are medical or financial, everyone but the sellers and resellers seems ready to agree that people should have some measure of control over how and by whom their data will be used. But how, other than piecemeal, can such control be established, and what would a more general right to data privacy look like? One approach very different from that of the United States, as it happens, is about to be thrust upon the consciousness of many American businesses as a European law called the European Union Data Privacy Directive goes into effect. The European directive has drawn attention not only because the European approach to and history on data privacy are sharply different from our own but also because the new directive comes with prohibitions on export that would crimp the options of any company that does business both here and in Europe. The directive imposes sweeping prohibitions on the use of any personal data without the explicit consent of the person involved, for that purpose only (repeated uses or resale require repeated permission) and also bars companies from exporting any such data to any country not ruled by the EU to have "adequate" privacy protection measures already in place. The Europeans have not ruled the United States "adequate" in this regard -- no surprise there -- though individual industries may pass muster or fall under special exemptions. That means, for instance, that multinational companies cannot allow U.S. offices access to personnel data on European employees, and airlines can't swap reservations data without restrictions. More to the point, they can't share or sell the kinds of data on customers that in this country are now routinely treated as another possible income stream. Would such restraints be a boon to customers on these shores too? Or will Americans, as the data companies frequently argue, find instead that they want the convenience and "one-on-one marketing" that this constant dossier-compiling makes possible? In one early case, a U.S. airline is being sued in Sweden to prevent its compiling and selling a database of, for instance, passengers who requested kosher meals or wheelchair assistance on arrival from transatlantic flights. Do customers want the "convenience" of this kind of tracking, and if not, how might they -- we -- avoid having it offered? The contrast between systems is a chance to consider which of the many business-as-usual uses of data in this country rise to the level of a privacy violation from which citizens should be shielded by law. © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. In compliance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed free without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISPI Clips is a FREE e-mail service from the "Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues" (ISPI). To receive "ISPI Clips" on a regular bases (up to 3 - 8 clips per day) send the following message "Please enter [Your Name] into the ISPI Clips list: [Your e-mail address]" to: ISPIClips(a)ama-gi.com . The Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) is a small contributor-funded organization based in Victoria, British Columbia (Canada). ISPI operates on a not-for-profit basis, accepts no government funding and takes a global perspective. ISPI's mandate is to conduct & promote interdisciplinary research into electronic, personal and financial privacy with a view toward helping ordinary people understand the degree of privacy they have with respect to government, industry and each other and to likewise inform them about techniques to enhance their privacy. But, none of this can be accomplished without your kind and generous financial support. If you are concerned about the erosion of your privacy in general, won't you please help us continue this important work by becoming an "ISPI Supporter" or by taking out an institute Membership? We gratefully accept all contributions: Less than $60 ISPI Supporter $60 - $99 Primary ISPI Membership (1 year) $100 - $300 Senior ISPI Membership (2 years) More than $300 Executive Council Membership (life) Your ISPI "membership" contribution entitles you to receive "The ISPI Privacy Reporter" (our bi-monthly 12 page hard-copy newsletter in multi-contributor format) for the duration of your membership. For a contribution form with postal instructions please send the following message "ISPI Contribution Form" to ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com . We maintain a strict privacy policy. Any information you divulge to ISPI is kept in strict confidence. 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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Typical statist media skewing by entangling allegations, accusation, speculation and acquitted charges with real convicted charges. --- [revised] Two men convicted of sending threatening email BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) -- Johnie Wise, 72, and Jack Abbott Grebe, 43, were convicted Thursday of two counts of sending threatening e-mails -- one message to the Internal Revenue Service and one to the Drug Enforcement Agency. They could get life in prison at their Jan. 29 sentencing. --- United States Constitution Amendment VIII - Excessive bail or fines and cruel punishment prohibited. Ratified 12/15/1791. Excessive bail shall not lie required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. --- Life imprisonment for sending threatening email? If IRS or DEA agents threaten someone by email, do they face life imprisonment, or just the other way around? Matt -----Original Article----- CNN http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/30/weapons.case.ap/ Two men convicted in biological weapons case October 30, 1998 Web posted at: 3:10 a.m. EST (0810 GMT) BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) -- Two men accused of scheming to attack President Clinton and others with cigarette lighters equipped with poison-coated cactus needles were convicted of sending threatening e-mail. Johnie Wise, 72, and Jack Abbott Grebe, 43, were convicted Thursday of two counts of sending threatening e-mails -- one message to the Internal Revenue Service and one to the Drug Enforcement Agency. Grebe and Wise were acquitted on one count each of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction count and five counts each of sending threatening messages -- to President Clinton, U.S. Customs, the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, and the Secret Service. They could get life in prison at their Jan. 29 sentencing. Prosecutors said Wise schemed to modify a cigarette lighter so it would shoot cactus needles coated with toxins such as rabies, botulism, anthrax or HIV. Defense attorneys called idea 'silly' Among the men's alleged targets: Clinton, the U.S. and Texas attorneys general, and FBI Director Louis Freeh. Defense attorneys called the idea "silly" and "cockamamie." There was never any evidence that the accused possessed biological weapons or tried to develop a deadly lighter. The e-mailed threats were vaguely worded and did not discuss the lighter or cactus thorns. Under federal law, however, the threats were enough for a conviction and no biological weapons were needed, prosecutors said. The men would have carried out their plan to hurt government employees and their families if they hadn't been arrested, Assistant U.S. Attorney Mervyn Mosbacker said. Wise and Grebe were accused of concocting the plan to threaten government officials with e-mails. One e-mail, sent June 12, was titled "Declaration of War" and a second one, sent June 26, said government workers had been "targeted for destruction by revenge." A third defendant, Oliver Dean Emigh, 63, was acquitted on all counts. He was accused of writing the June 12 message, but the charges against the men stemmed from the June 26 e-mail.

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IP: [FP] The DoD DNA Registry and Specimen Repository
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> Subject: IP: [FP] The DoD DNA Registry and Specimen Repository Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:49:05 -0600 To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com SCAN THIS NEWS 11/1/98 "The blood is placed on special cards with the service member's Social Security number, date of birth, and branch of service designated on the front side of the card. On the reverse side of the bloodstain card are a fingerprint, a bar code, and signature attesting to the validity of the sample." ************************************************** The DoD DNA Registry and DoD Specimen Repository for Remains Identification http://www.afip.org/homes/oafme/dna/afdil.html Historical Overview: The U.S. military recognized the value of DNA testing as a necessary adjunct to traditional identification efforts. In a memorandum dated December 16, 1991, the Deputy Secretary of Defense authorized the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) to establish policies and requirements for the use of DNA analysis in the identification of remains. To carry out these policies, the establishment of a DNA Registry, to include a Specimen Repository for Remains Identification and a DNA Identification Laboratory were authorized under the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner (OAFME). On January 5, 1993, the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) issued a policy guidance for the establishment of a repository of specimen samples to aid in the remains identification using genetic analysis. On May 17, 1993, the Surgeon General, U.S. Army, was delegated as Executive Agent for the DNA Registry. On March 9, 1994, the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) issued a Memorandum of Instruction to the Service Secretaries establishing policies and procedures for the collection of DNA specimens. On April 2, 1996 policy refinements were issued to the DoD DNA Registry. In October 1994 the DNA Registry received approval from the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors for the production of DNA proficiency tests used by forensic DNA laboratories. AFDIL is one of four DNA laboratories to receive this approval in the United States. In January 1995 the Defense Science Board concurred with the use of mitochondrial DNA testing for associated and unassociated remains. Although AFDIL is capable of conducting more common nuclear DNA testing, nuclear DNA testing is not possible on ancient remains. DoD Specimen Repository for Remains Identification The DoD DNA Specimen Repository provides reference material for DNA analysis to assist in the remains identification process. A dried bloodstain and buccal swab are being collected from all Active Component (AC) personnel. A total of three DNA specimens are collected. One bloodstain card is stored in a pouch in the service member's medical record; another bloodstain card and a buccal swab are stored at the Armed Forces Repository for Specimen Samples for the Identification of Remains. The blood is placed on special cards with the service member's Social Security number, date of birth, and branch of service designated on the front side of the card. On the reverse side of the bloodstain card are a fingerprint, a bar code, and signature attesting to the validity of the sample. Ultimately, the bloodstain card is stored in a vacuum-sealed barrier bag and frozen at -20 degrees Celsius, in the Specimen Repository. The oral swab (buccal scrapping) is fixed in isopropanol and stored at room temperature. Great care is taken to prevent the possibility of error from sample switching or mislabeling. Additionally, the specimens are considered confidential medical information, and military regulations and federal law exist to cover any issues on privacy concerns. As of December 1994, DNA collections were being made from all newly accessioned personnel, the residual AC members, and select high risk Reserve Component (RC) members. Large scale RC collection are scheduled to begin collection in FY 96. Collections are being made from any service member deployed to a hostile fire or imminent danger area. During CY 94, collections were made from personnel deploying to Somalia, Rwanda, Haiti, Bosnia, and Latin America. All services are at least 90% complete with collections of special operations, aviation, and high risk duty personnel. The remaining AC individuals will be collected through FY 98, at the time of their annual physical. As of 31 December 1995, the Repository has received 1.15 million DNA specimens. Specimens come into the Repository at the rate of 3,000 - 4,000 per day. The updated Specimen Management System (SMS), using the Defense Eligibility Enrollment System (DEERS) database, verifies service member information. In CY 95, the Repository established an on-line datalink with DEERS. All DNA specimens will be maintained for fifty years, before being destroyed. Individual specimen samples will be destroyed upon request of the donor following the conclusion of the donor's complete military service obligation (including individually ready reserve status or subject to active duty recall) or other applicable relationship to DoD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MEMORANDUM FOR ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE ARMY (M&RA) ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY (M&RA) ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE (MRAI&E) SUBJECT: Casualty Identification Policy http://ippsrs.ha.osd.mil/main/caid9651.html July 18, 1996 References: (a) Deputy Secretary of Defense Memorandum 47003, "Establishment of a Repository of Specimen Samples to Aid in Remains Identification Using Genetic Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) Analysis," 16 December 1991. (b) Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) Memorandum and Policy Statement, "Establishment of a Repository of Specimen Samples to Aid in Remains Identification Using Genetic Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) Analysis," 5 January 1993. (c) Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) Memorandum, "Memorandum of Instruction of Procedures for the Collection and Shipment of Specimens for Submission to the Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) Specimen Repository," 9 March 1994. (d) Privacy Act System of Records Notice for System A0040-57aDASG, "DoD DNA Registry," 60 Fed. Reg. 31, 287-8, 14 June 1995. (e) Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) Memorandum, "Policy Refinements for the Armed Forces Repository of Specimen Samples for the Identification of Remains," 2 April 1996. Reference (a) delegated authority to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs) (ASD(HA)) to issue policies and requirements for the establishment of a registry and appropriate specimen repository that will aid in the remains identification process by the use of DNA profile analysis. References (b) and (c) established policies and procedures for operation of the repository. Reference (d) formalized the system of records for the repository. Reference (e) refined the policies for the operation of the repository. Primary casualty identification is fundamental to the elements of medicolegal death investigations and involves the use of one or more complementary methods including fingerprints, footprints, dental comparisons, DNA identifications and superimposable radiographic techniques. The duplicate dental panograph repository or Central Panograph Storage Facility (CPSF) in Monterey, California was established in 1986 and has been used more than 1000 times over the last ten years largely by DoD agencies with close to 100 percent success. In 1991, DoD embarked on the creation and implementation of a DNA Registry including the Armed Forces Repository of Specimen Samples for Identification of Remains and Armed Forces Casualty Identification Laboratory both of which are components of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP). The Repository accessions approximately 5,000 files/day with original plans of having all servicemembers (active, reserve and guard) on file by FY 2002. Comparative DNA casualty identification is now the DoD preferred standard of positive casualty identification, making the duplicate panograph obsolete. The CPSF will be discontinued on 31 December 1999. Therefore, I request that you take all necessary measures to ensure an accelerated acquisitions program of servicemember DNA specimens to include active, reserve and guard components for purposes of casualty DNA profile identification. A DNA sample should be obtained from all new accessions; duplicate panographs will not be taken on new accessions and no servicemember is to deploy without having a DNA specimen on file. The DEERS Data Bank shall be used to ensure that servicemembers do in fact have a DNA specimen on file. While updated radiographs will continue to be part of a servicemember's medical/dental record, no new radiographs will be received by the Repository, effective this date. Please provide me with a copy of your plan to implement this accelerated request by 23 August 1996. The point of contact for this action is Captain Glenn Wagner, Deputy Director, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, (202) 782-2103. Colonel Salvatore M. Cirone is the OASD(HA) point of contact, (703) 695-7116. Stephen C. Joseph, M.D., M.P.H. cc: ASD(RA) HA POLICY 96-051 ************************************************** [Related info regarding DNA samples from children] ************************************************** New Guardian DNA Helps You Keep Your Baby Safe DNA Identification System Places State-of-the-Art Technology into Parents Hands Worried about hospital mix-ups or infant/child abductions? Guardian DNA Identification System consists of an easy-to-use DNA collection kit, an instructional safety video, a DNA sample storage facility, a recording system that provides for complete anonymity, and PIN/barcode security feature so that only parent authorized access is possible. Guardian DNA uses the same technology and methodology used by the U.S. Armed Forces. Collection can be performed at-home at any age, but for added newborn security parents will want to have one immediately after the birth. Retails for $49.95. Available through select hospitals and physicians, or by calling InVitro International at 1-800-246-8487 Ext. 230, or visit their web site at http://www.invitrointl.com/guardian.htm/ -------------------------------------------------- http://www.yellodyno.com/html/dnahome.html "Parents will feel more secure knowing they have their child's DNA 'fingerprints' safely stored away." - Dr. Martin H. Smith, Pediatrician and former President of the American Academy of Pediatrics DNA I.D. is, without question, the future of identification. For one thing, DNA I.D. (also known as "genetic fingerprinting") is the only virtually positive and permanent identification method. For example, photographs fade and must be updated, and fingerprints can smear or be difficult to acquire (getting a proper child's fingerprint can be very difficult), but each person's DNA does not change for his entire life. DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) molecules are that part of the human physiology which carries the genetic "blueprint" that makes each person unique. Each person's "genetic" makeup is exclusive and never changes for their entire life. As such, "DNA fingerprinting" can provide reliable identification even when it may be impossible to recover a fingerprint. Further, DNA I.D. is generally admissible in court, and can be invaluable in reuniting parents with their children in the case of parental abductions, kidnappings, accidents, and natural disasters. DNA identification is now available to families in an easy-to-use, at-home kit. With the "do-it-yourself" DNA I.D.Kit, it takes parents only minutes to capture, preserve, and store-at-home their child's genetic "fingerprints." Tens of thousands of parents are already keeping their children's "genes" at home. The DNA I.D. Kit provides a way of properly taking, recording, and storing genetic samples in a patented, tamper-proof system. Yello Dyno says "O.K., this is where you might get a little 'squeemish,' but read on, because this is really cool and easy ... and something every parent needs to consider for their child (or any member of their family, for that matter!). This is how it works." The genetic material is derived from very small samples hair and blood. The kit includes a virtually painless, spring-loaded, medical quality puncture tool to help draw a few drops of blood from the finger, which is then placed on a special absorptive paper card. After air drying for a little while, the card is then placed in one of the special foil tamper-proof envelopes for preserving and storing, on which personal information is recorded. If you are too uncomfortable to use the puncture tool, the hair sample by itself should suffice, which is stored and recorded the same way. Many parents just take the kit to their pediatrician and have them draw the drops of blood. Then, a personal information card on your child is filled out, including attaching a picture. A fingerprint card is also included along with special fingerprinting material and instructions. After you are done, everything is then put in another, larger foil tamper-proof envelope and sealed. Personal information is then recorded on the envelope and it is ready to be put in a safe place. Unrefrigerated the samples should last for many years (they are dry). Refrigeration will extend viability of samples much longer. Unrefrigerated renewal is recommended once every five years. Again, this patented system is a way of properly taking, storing, and preserving genetic samples, not the actual test. If the DNA sample is ever needed to make a genetic match the process is usually initiated by law enforcement or some other agency. (Beware of suggestions to "make your own DNA I.D." While storing DNA samples at home can be simple with a specially made medical product like this, it can be completely ineffective without the right procedures.) The DNA I.D. Kit can also be a part of your at-home fact file. By combining an up-to-date child I.D. card and the DNA I.D. Kit, parents can have a valuable child identification system. DNA is so important to the future of identification that it is already being used by the FBI and the U.S. Armed Forces. In fact, DNA I.D. is the preferred method of identification for law enforcement, as seen in more and more court cases recently. "DNA Analysis . . . is considered the most important advance in forensics since fingerprinting. Its use in U.S. courts has skyrocketed from 14 cases by the end of 1987 to 12,000 by mid-1993," according to an article in the Austin-American Statesman in June 1994. The FBI is implementing a national DNA database, called CODIS, to track people by their DNA. The U.S. Army started a genetic depository in 1992 that will eventually include the DNA of every American in uniform. The U.S. Army's goal is to have no more "unknown soldiers." DNA is also already being used to identify missing children. For example, in December, 1993, a two-year old was returned to his parents two years after being kidnapped - only after police established scientifically who the child was by using "genetic fingerprinting." If you are ever separated from your child and time passes, DNA analysis is probably the only way of making a virtually fool-proof identification. This remarkable kit provides you with the tools you need. ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. For additional instructions see www.efga.org/about/maillist.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Scan This News" is Sponsored by S.C.A.N. 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IP: Fatal Flaws: How military misled about Agent Orange
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Fatal Flaws: How military misled about Agent Orange Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:41:36 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: San Diego Union-Tribune http://www.union-tribune.com/news/981101-0010_mz1n1agent.html FATAL FLAWS How the military misled Vietnam veterans and their families about the health risks of Agent Orange UNION-TRIBUNE Staff Writer November 1, 1998 The U.S. military's $200 million study of the health effects of Agent Orange on Vietnam War veterans is so flawed that it might be useless, a six-month investigation by The San Diego Union-Tribune has found. The study has been a key factor in denying compensation to Vietnam veterans suffering from illnesses they blame on Agent Orange, a powerful herbicide used to destroy enemy crops and jungle hiding places. Interviews with military scientists, transcripts of meetings, and government reports and internal memos reveal that these are among the flaws in the Air Force study, which began in 1979 and concludes in 2006: Two study reports that revealed serious birth defects among children of veterans exposed to Agent Orange were withheld for years, leaving a generation of men and women who served in Vietnam to start families without knowing the potential risks. A report expressing concerns about cancer and birth defects was altered, with the result that the risks appeared less serious. The government ignored a National Academy of Sciences recommendation that the study be done by scientists outside the military. High-ranking Air Force officers interfered with the study' s data analysis, undermining its scientific integrity. The Air Force stonewalled a U.S. senator who wanted full disclosure of the data. Dr. Richard Albanese, one of four scientists who designed the study but later was taken off the project, says it was manipulated to downplay the health problems of Vietnam veterans. "This is a medical crime, basically," Albanese said. "Certainly, this is against all medical ethics." Albanese, a civilian doctor, still works at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, where the study' s scientists are headquartered. When the Union-Tribune contacted him, Albanese weighed the consequences for several days and then agreed to a series of interviews in the hope that veterans will be treated better in the future. He said the study is tainted because a government agency, in this case the Air Force, was allowed to investigate itself. Joel Michalek, the study' s head scientist, acknowledged that the Air Force and the government tried to interfere, but he said this had no impact on the study. He said he received two memos through the chain of command that tried to influence the study, but threw them away. The study is named for Operation Ranch Hand, a series of Air Force missions that sprayed 18 million gallons of defoliants over 3.6 million acres of South Vietnam. The Ranch Hand study tracks the health of about 1,000 veterans who participated in the spraying missions, in comparison with an Air Force group that was not involved in the spraying. Both groups come to San Diego every few years for medical exams. Agent Orange contained dioxin, now known to cause some cancers. The defoliant destroyed forests and darkened the waters of the Mekong Delta, where Patti Robinson' s husband, Geoff, was a gunner' s mate on a Navy patrol boat in 1968-69. Robinson, who lives in Clairemont, said her husband described how the herbicide congealed and licked at river banks. But he told her the men bathed and swam in the water anyway; their superiors said it was safe. When her husband died of cancer in 1981, Robinson turned to the Veterans Administration for help. Her claim citing Agent Orange as a factor in her husband' s death also listed her son, Matthew, who was born in 1976 with a developmental disability. But the government told Robinson that Agent Orange did not cause her husband' s malignant melanoma, nor her son' s communication disorder. Or any other health problem for that matter. All claims were being denied. Agent Orange was innocent until proved guilty. The government had made that clear in 1978, after the first 500 claims came in. Garth Dettinger, an Air Force deputy surgeon general, told Congress there was no evidence that Agent Orange had harmed anyone. But concerns about the herbicide' s health effects had been raised since the early ' 70s, and the public wanted proof. So Congress funded the Ranch Hand study. Dettinger helped make sure it was done by Air Force scientists. Conflict of interest Although Dettinger wanted the Air Force to evaluate its use of Agent Orange, some of its scientists thought that might present a conflict of interest. Col. George Lathrop, head scientist for the Ranch Hand study in its early years, told a military science board in 1979 that an Air Force study wouldn' t be credible to people outside the government. "We advised a certain general that, ' No, we should not do this.' And we were told to shut up and do it anyway," Lathrop said, according to a transcript of the meeting. "So we are saluting the flag pole and mushing on. We are doing the damn thing." That general, Lathrop said in a recent interview, was Dettinger. "Dettinger had the notion that if we didn' t do this study that he would devise his own questionnaire and his own study and go out and get it done himself," Lathrop said. "It would have been scientifically disastrous." Dettinger denied ordering Lathrop to do the Ranch Hand study and said he never threatened to conduct his own version. "He' s not being honest about that," Dettinger said. "I promised Congress we would do the study. My word is my bond, and so we went ahead and did it." Albanese also worried that conflict of interest might affect the findings. But, at the time, he believed the danger could be offset by a rule written into the study design: Air Force management was not to interfere with the scientific analysis. The scientists weren' t the only ones with conflict-of-interest concerns. The National Academy of Sciences reviewed the study design in 1980 and recommended it be done by independent researchers. But a White House panel made up of representatives from the Pentagon and VA, among other federal agencies, said the Air Force would do it. The panel, called the Agent Orange Working Group, appointed an advisory committee to review Ranch Hand reports. But the committee did more directing than advising during the first decade of the study, Albanese said. Ranch Hand reports went from the Air Force to the advisory committee, then to the Agent Orange Working Group and back to the Air Force. Sources and documents indicate the reports were changed during that process, sometimes dramatically. Altered report The Air Force scientists drafted two major Ranch Hand reports in 1984. One of them was withheld. The other was published, but its findings were altered. The report that was withheld dealt specifically with reproductive health issues, and stressed birth defects and infant deaths. It showed high rates of both among children of Ranch Hand veterans. The report that was published examined the general health of Ranch Hand veterans. It presented data on birth defects, cancer and many other medical conditions. The Air Force announced that it showed little difference between the health of Ranch Hand and comparison veterans. But that wasn' t what the Ranch Hand scientists wrote. Their original version of the report contained a table showing that the Ranch Hand veterans were, by a ratio of 5-1, "less well" than the comparison group. That version also noted that Ranch Hand veterans reported significantly more birth defects among their children than did the other veterans. After the White House panel' s advisory committee reviewed the report, those details were downplayed or eliminated. Lathrop complied with the committee' s recommendations to omit the table, soften the birth defects language and drop a sentence that said Ranch Hand veterans might have been harmed by Agent Orange. Lathrop also deleted a sentence that said some of the findings were "of concern." He added a line that said the overall findings were "reassuring." Lathrop didn' t object to the changes, which he said were minor. "Fundamentally, the advisory group felt that we were too liberal on the interpretation," he said. Albanese, on the other hand, thought the changes distorted the report. He wrote a letter requesting that his views be published as a minority opinion, and kept a copy in his files. Lathrop, who didn' t respond to Albanese' s letter, said he doesn' t recall receiving it. Albanese and Lathrop also disagreed about how the cancer data were prepared and presented in the 1984 health report. Because the Ranch Hand group is too small for the scientists to draw conclusions about rare cancers, Albanese said, they decided to study the incidence of cancer as a whole. They found that the Ranch Hand veterans had twice as many cancers as the comparison group. But that didn' t make it into the report. Instead, skin and internal cancers were separated. Presented that way, the Ranch Hand group had 135 percent more skin cancers than the comparison group, but only 20 percent more internal cancers. The scientists reported the high skin cancer rate, but suggested it was caused by overexposure to the sun. They found "no significant group differences" in internal cancers. Within the small Ranch Hand group, Albanese said, the increase in internal cancers became a meaningless statistic. Albanese was outraged. "It happened that most cancers were in the skin, and the report said they were just in the skin," he said. "That' s not a correct inference." At the press conference that unveiled the 1984 health findings, Murphy Chesney, a deputy Air Force surgeon general at the time, announced that the health of the Ranch Hand and comparison veterans was about the same. In response to a question during that press conference, Albanese voiced a mild disagreement. Noting the higher incidence of some diseases, he said, "I cannot account for such differences by chance; on the other hand, I cannot explain their cause." He repeated to reporters a phrase that had been deleted from the report: "A degree of concern is warranted." Albanese was removed from the Ranch Hand study eight months later. The Air Force said he was needed on a different project. Sensitive information Albanese considered going public with his misgivings about the Ranch Hand study years ago, but decided against it. He didn' t want to jeopardize his career as a government scientist. Because of the study' s flaws, Albanese said, Vietnam veterans have not received the compensation they deserve. Lathrop said it was better not to release sensitive data from the Ranch Hand study prematurely, and nothing was more sensitive than information about birth defects. "There was a great deal riding on the issue of birth defects," he said. "The VA had not decided on the issue of compensation and so forth." After her husband died, Patti Robinson struggled to meet her son' s special needs. She needed the government compensation, but more than that, she needed the truth. "The uncertainty has left big question marks," she said. "If it wasn' t for that, you could put it behind you." Robinson never remarried. She devoted her life to her son, Matthew, who is 21 now, the age his father was in Vietnam. Matthew has the reading skills of a second-grader, and he has a hard time getting words out. But he can look at a photograph, identify a place he has been and offer directions to get there. He calls his mother by her first name and often refers to himself in the third person. He will say, "Patti, Matthew is stupid," and his mother will fire back, "No, you' re not." Matthew keeps a picture of his father in his bedroom. Sometimes he shows it to visitors. But pain registered on his face when he was asked what he remembers about the man who died so long ago. He turned away. "Matthew doesn' t want to talk about that," he said. In the private sector To reduce the workload of its scientists, the Air Force hired a private company to conduct Ranch Hand general health studies published since 1984. But the government has remained in charge. And the firm that won the first contract featured a familiar face. George Lathrop had retired from the Air Force and was working at the San Antonio office of Science Applications International Corp., a San Diego-based company that was founded on defense contracts. Lathrop said he wanted to continue working on the Ranch Hand study. He figured that with him on its team, SAIC would get the contract. It did. Lathrop left SAIC in 1987. The company went on to win the contracts for 1987, 1992, 1997 and 2002. It uses Scripps Clinic in La Jolla to perform the medical tests. Results are analyzed by SAIC, then sent to scientists at Brooks Air Force Base for approval. The SAIC contracts do not include compiling birth defects reports. The Air Force does that itself. By 1987, Ranch Hand had emerged as the government' s definitive Agent Orange study. "It was the pivotal study," said Michalek, Ranch Hand' s head scientist since 1991. "It still is." The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta tried to do its own study by matching records of troop movements with Agent Orange spraying. But after five years and nearly $50 million, the CDC decided its review method wasn' t reliable. After the CDC gave up in 1987, the government dismissed other studies that used similar exposure estimates. They were deemed unscientific. That left the Ranch Hand study as the government' s principal yardstick for Agent Orange damage. Pattern of manipulation South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle, a Democrat, has kept an eye on the Ranch Hand study since the early 1980s. He was confident it would support his belief that Agent Orange harmed Vietnam veterans. When that hadn' t happened by 1984, when Daschle was a member of the House of Representatives, he decided to investigate. He assigned an aide, Laura Petrou, to help. They collected Air Force and other government correspondence and saw what they believed was a pattern of manipulation to minimize findings of health problems among Ranch Hand veterans. When Daschle learned about the unpublished 1984 birth defects report, he asked for a copy. The Air Force refused to give him one. Finally, in a letter to Daschle dated Aug. 25, 1987, the Air Force conceded that the cancer and birth defects information in the 1984 Ranch Hand health report -- the one Albanese said was distorted by advisory committee changes -- might be incorrect. Daschle then met with Albanese, Michalek and a third Ranch Hand scientist, Col. William H. Wolfe. They told Daschle about another unpublished report, which included some of the cancer and birth defects information that was left out of the 1984 general health report. Daschle fought to make the report public. The advisory committee argued that it was a rehash of old data. The report was released in February 1988, but it didn' t gain the attention Daschle had hoped. The Air Force deemed the report "technically correct" but did not publicize it or list it among Ranch Hand publications. One month after the report was released, Scripps Clinic issued a study update, a press release that said the Ranch Hand veterans were doing fine. It quoted Wolfe: "This is the definitive study on Agent Orange in Vietnam veterans, and so far it shows that disease is not related to apparent exposure, that there is no increased incidence of major long-term health effects. "These results are reassuring." ' Forbidden interpretation' Patti Robinson was not reassured. She had been attending meetings of San Diego veterans' groups and had read everything she could find on Agent Orange. Robinson also corresponded with retired Navy Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, who had ordered the spraying of Agent Orange along the Mekong Delta to kill vegetation where enemy snipers hid. His son, Navy Lt. j.g. Elmo Zumwalt III, had commanded a patrol boat in the Mekong Delta, the same waters Geoff Robinson had navigated. Former Lt. j.g. Zumwalt died of cancer in 1988. His son, Russell, was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction, the same communication disorder that plagues Patti Robinson' s son, Matthew. Robinson thought the Ranch Hand veterans and her husband were exposed to roughly equal amounts of Agent Orange. She believed the Ranch Hand study would be the one that would "prove how dangerous Agent Orange was." "I placed a high priority on that study," Robinson said. "I was disappointed in the results." The Air Force now regrets having described Ranch Hand findings as "reassuring," Michalek said. "That' s a forbidden interpretation," he said. "You can' t reassure anyone of anything in (statistical studies). You can only establish hazard, not safety." Daschle grew tired of fighting the Air Force on the Ranch Hand study. He tried to find other ways to help Vietnam veterans and their families. "Our whole point was if the government was controlling all the science and analyses veterans would never get compensated," Petrou said. Daschle, along with then-Sen. Alan Cranston, D-Calif., and Rep. Lane Evans, D-Ill., pushed legislation to compensate Vietnam veterans suffering from soft-tissue sarcoma and non-Hodgkin' s lymphoma. The bill also authorized the National Academy of Sciences to evaluate scientific and medical information about the health effects of Agent Orange. Earlier attempts to pass similar legislation had failed. But toward the end of 1990, with U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf, Congress was eager to help veterans. The Senate passed the bill Jan. 30, 1991, the day Camp Pendleton Marines led the first major ground battle of the Persian Gulf War. During a ceremony to announce the legislation, President Bush proclaimed: "We are here today to ensure that our nation will ever remember those who defended her, the men and women who stood where duty required them to stand." Undue influence? Murphy Chesney, a retired lieutenant general, was an important player in both the Ranch Hand study and the Ranch Hand spraying missions. In Vietnam, as the officer in charge of the health and safety of Air Force personnel, he could have recommended against spraying herbicides if he thought they might be dangerous. But he shared the then-prevailing opinion that Agent Orange, named for the color of the stripe around its 55-gallon storage containers, wouldn' t hurt the troops. After the war, he oversaw the Ranch Hand study from 1979 until he was promoted to Air Force surgeon general in 1985. Chesney couldn' t say whether his role in Operation Ranch Hand influenced his decisions in the Ranch Hand study. "I hope it didn' t," he said in an interview. But Albanese, who worked on the study during the years Chesney was involved, believes it did. He recalled a dispute with a colleague, Wolfe, over data analysis. Chesney sided with Wolfe. "Then," Albanese said, "Gen. Chesney pulled me aside and said, ' If I had to accept your analysis, I' m not sure I could live with myself.' "I could see the water in his eyes. "He said he had approved some of those spraying activities." Chesney said no such conversation took place. But Chesney did remember ordering the scientists to comply with advisory committee recommendations, although such influence by the Air Force is prohibited by the rules of the study design. Looking back, Albanese said, it should have been obvious that the conflict of interest was too strong for the study to be objective. "There' s a faction that doesn' t want to pay the price of treating the veterans," he said, "and a faction that doesn' t want to have made them sick." Birth defects acknowledged In August 1992, the Air Force finally published a Ranch Hand birth defects report. Michalek said the Air Force had withheld the 1984 birth defects report because the advisory committee said it was incomplete. Ranch Hand scientists had verified records of babies with birth defects, but had not yet checked the healthy ones. In the draft of the report, the scientists wrote that it would take about a year to verify records of the healthy babies. But eight years passed before a report came out. The 1992 report confirmed the high rate of birth defects and infant deaths among children fathered by Ranch Hand veterans. But the scientists wrote that because the birth defects did not increase consistently with dioxin exposure, Agent Orange wasn' t to blame. But that might be inaccurate, the National Academy of Sciences concluded in 1994. The academy criticized the Ranch Hand study and singled out the 1992 birth defects report as an example of its many flaws. "It was confusing how the analysis of the birth defects was presented," said Kathleen Rodgers, one of 16 contributors to the National Academy of Sciences study, "Veterans and Agent Orange." "I remember being incensed at the time that we couldn' t get anything out of it," said Rodgers, an associate professor at the University of Southern California School of Medicine. The Air Force scientists, examining a study group that was small to begin with, had omitted hundreds of subjects from the analysis, the academy said. That made it harder to connect birth defects to Agent Orange. Or easier not to. "Some aspect of the Ranch Hand experience seems to have increased the risk of fathering children with birth defects," the academy report said, "but the implications of this finding are unclear." The Air Force, of course, knew that 10 years earlier but sat on the information. "It' s the worst thing I have ever seen from the point of view of medical reporting," Albanese said. Releasing the data In recent years, as the Agent Orange controversy has faded from the public' s consciousness, the Ranch Hand advisory committee' s role has diminished. During its meeting last week in San Antonio -- the first such gathering since 1995 -- Michalek briefed the committee on the Union-Tribune' s investigation of the study. Michalek asked Albanese to detail his concerns about unpublished data and government interference. Afterward, Albanese suggested that the raw Ranch Hand data be made public, repeating an idea he has advocated for years. That way, he said, researchers outside the military might come up with new and useful analyses. Advisory committee Chairman Robert W. Harrison recommended that everything should be released, except for information that would violate the confidentiality of the subjects. Michalek said he would comply. Harrison, a professor of medicine at the University of Rochester, said that he and his colleagues on the panel should start looking more closely at how the study is conducted and its findings. Expanded compensation Last year, the Air Force announced its first link between Agent Orange and a serious illness. The Ranch Hand veterans have a higher rate of diabetes. Air Force scientists saw the diabetes increase in 1992 but waited five years to make it public. Michalek said they wanted to be sure. The delay came as no surprise to Daschle and his aide, Petrou, who are still upset with the Air Force for withholding information about cancer and birth defects. "Delay is clearly their major tactic," Petrou said. "The delay is justice denied. It' s extremely disturbing. "From a public health perspective and from a moral perspective in terms of how we treat veterans, there' s no excuse good enough for this." Daschle has given up on the Ranch Hand study. But he has worked around it with some success. The National Academy of Sciences has continued its investigation, examining studies of Vietnam veterans and those of civilians exposed to dioxin in industrial accidents. As the academy links additional diseases to dioxin, more Vietnam veterans get help. The VA -- now the Department of Veterans Affairs -- has expanded its Agent Orange compensation list to 10 diseases, mostly cancers. Spina bifida, a serious spinal deformity, is the only birth defect on the list so far. As of April, the VA had received 92,276 Agent Orange claims from veterans and their survivors. Claims approved for diseases on the compensation list totaled 5,908. Patti Robinson remains a part of the larger group. The academy hasn' t found enough evidence that Agent Orange caused malignant melanoma, the cancer that took her husband. Which leaves Robinson where she was 15 years ago. She still believes Agent Orange killed her husband and disabled her son. But she can' t be sure. And that' s what really hurts, she said. "Look at all the years that have gone by, and there' s still no clear-cut answer." Copyright 1998 Union-Tribune Publishing Co. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:57:43 -0800 > BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) -- Johnie Wise, 72, and Jack Abbott > Grebe, 43, were convicted Thursday of two counts of sending > threatening e-mails -- one message to the Internal Revenue > Service and one to the Drug Enforcement Agency. > > They could get life in prison at their Jan. 29 sentencing. I have a question, if they had threatened just a plain old citizen with this email would they also be facing this life imprisonment? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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s-format file converter?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I need to convert some files stored in Motorola s-format (widely used for input into EPROM burners) to a binary blob of data my debugger can read. I know there is a GNU utility that supports converting to and from s-format and a wide variety of other file formats, but a web search turned up empty. If you know where to find such a utility for UNIX, please let me know. Thanks, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP 5.x encrypted email preferred

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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:41:24 -0500 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd) > Jim Choate asked: > > >If they had threatened just a plain old citizen with this > >email would they also be facing this life imprisonment? > > Apparently the charges would have been the same if made > against any > > "person within the United States, and the results of such > use affect interstate or foreign commerce or, in the case > of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected > interstate or foreign commerce." (see below) Ok, exactly how would their threat effect inter-state commerce? > The use of E-mail was incidental to the charges of both > conspiracy and threatening to use weapons of mass destruction: > > 18:2332(a)(2) and (c)(2)(C). Conspiracy to use a weapon > of mass destruction against person(s) w/in the U.S. > the results of which affected interstate & foreign > commerce. Offense dates: 3/24/98 - 6/30/98. Penalty: > Any term of years or for life, $250,000, 5 yrs SRT. (1) Conspiracy requires active steps, not simply talking about it. As I understand it the conspiracy and weapons of mass destructions charges were given a not-guilty by the jury. No proof was presented that they had ever even bought a bic lighter to test with. Hell, even going to the bookstore and buying a book or the library and checking one out is protected under the Constitution. It takes more than talk to generate a conspiracy. > 18:2332a(a)(2) and (c)(2)(C) and 2. Threatening to use a > weapon of mass destruction. Offense date: 6/26/98 > Penalty: any term of years or Proceedings include all events. > for life, $250,000, 5 yrs SRT as to ea ct. (2 - 8) If we're going to go by this then the US government is already guilty re their plan to destroy various contraband plants via genetic weapons. If you think that won't effect inter-state & international commerce you better think again. And they've gone a lot farther than just talking about it in email. Congress has spent millions on it over the last few years. > The eight counts are for the one count of conspiracy and > threats against seven federal agencies ("employees and > families"): > > The President > ATF > FBI > DEA > IRS > Secret Service > Custom Service Ok, so my question still stands what if these had been actual people instead of government agencies? The charges are *NOT* for threatening individuals who happen to be government agents, oh no, they're for threatening government *agencies* a whole different ball game ('The President' is an office not a person). > CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM > > Sec. 2332a. Use of weapons of mass destruction > > (a) Offense Against a National of the United States or Within the > United States. - A person who, without lawful authority, uses, > threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass > destruction, including any biological agent, toxin, or vector (as > those terms are defined in section 178) - Where is 'lawful authority' defined? > (2) against any person within the United States, and the > results of such use affect interstate or foreign commerce or, in > the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected > interstate or foreign commerce; I covered this one already. > (c) Definitions. - For purposes of this section - > > (2) the term ''weapon of mass destruction'' means - > > (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this > title; > > (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or > serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or > impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors; > > (C) any weapon involving a disease organism; or So if I go out and sneeze on somebody I've committed an attack using a weapon of mass destruction? > (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or > radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life. Where is the definition of 'mass' in there? Hell, just about anything qualifies under this definition. It doesn't even require the death of 1 single individual (it doesn't even require it to be lethal). Oh, *all* radiation is harmful to human life. > CHAPTER 10 - BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS > Sec. 178. Definitions > > As used in this chapter - > > (1) the term ''biological agent'' means any micro-organism, > virus, infectious substance, or biological product that may be > engineered as a result of biotechnology, or any naturally > occurring or bioengineered component of any such microorganism, > virus, infectious substance, or biological product, capable of > causing - > > (A) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a > human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism; Well this certainly covers each and every effect of a pathogen on a biological system (I particularly like the way they've covered their butts for ET.... 'another living organism'. Not to mention that cleaning your kitchen counter qualifies under this statute. > (B) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or > material of any kind; or > > (C) deleterious alteration of the environment; Well at least they've set themselves up for their anti-drug pathogen program. > (2) the term ''toxin'' means the toxic material of plants, Can you say circular defintion, I thought you could. This sentence say nothing. > animals, microorganisms, viruses, fungi, or infectious > substances, or a recombinant molecule, whatever its origin or > method of production, including - > > (A) any poisonous substance or biological product that may be > engineered as a result of biotechnology produced by a living > organism; or > > (B) any poisonous isomer or biological product, homolog, or > derivative of such a substance; This of course happens to cover plain old water (re 'whatever its origin or method of preduction'). > (3) the term ''delivery system'' means - > > (A) any apparatus, equipment, device, or means of delivery > specifically designed to deliver or disseminate a biological > agent, toxin, or vector; or > > (B) any vector; > > (4) the term ''vector'' means a living organism, or molecule, > including a recombinant molecule, or biological product that may > be engineered as a result of biotechnology, capable of carrying a > biological agent or toxin to a host; and Next time I get food-poisoning at a restaraunt it's comforting to know that the federal government will be right there to prosecute under this particular statute... Geesh. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by explorer＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11/03/98 INTERNET NEWS/Y2K (YEAR 2000 SOLUTION) Most of the information from the silicon valley is obtained from the local pubs/bars. Un-named sources discussing the Y2K problem at the local brew revealed, that 2 of the big valley software manufacturers are in a bidding war for software technology created by a small publicly traded company OTC-BB symbol:"TCFG" that is in the process of obtaining a patent. This 3 year old emerging growth company has tested and out performed the "Big Boys"! Several rogue ex-employees of the "giants" joined this company and claims abound about their success. If truth is stronger than fiction then "TCFG" is going to play with the big boys. We all know the Y2K problem and what the real solution would mean to all of us $$! How much will they pay "TCFG"? Back to the pub friday evening for more info...

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s-format file converter? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Lucky Green" <shamrock(a)netcom.com> > Subject: s-format file converter? > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:52:11 -0800 > I need to convert some files stored in Motorola s-format (widely used for > input into EPROM burners) to a binary blob of data my debugger can read. I > know there is a GNU utility that supports converting to and from s-format > and a wide variety of other file formats, but a web search turned up empty. > > If you know where to find such a utility for UNIX, please let me know. Geesh. If you know it's GNU then it makes some sense to check gnu.org now wouldn't it? You might also want to check out the 'frankenstein' set of cross-assemblers as they handle a wide variety of targets and file formats. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CJ & a potential out...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It occurs to me that since the court saw fit to assign an attorney over CJ's objection he may have constitutional grounds to have his arrest and the consequential proceedings overturned. The Constitution says that a person has a right to counsil if the issue at hand is worth more than $20. It doesn't say the court must appoint one and it most certainly doesn't say a defendent requires one. Since the Constitution leaves the issue up to the defendant any action that is contrary to their desires is un-constitutional. The 10th prohibits these sorts of excess or self-appointed authority. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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ITU In Knots Over Accounting Rates
by totaltel＠total.emap.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: dbts: Lions and TEMPESTs and Black Helicopters (Oh, My!)
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "Awwwww, C'Monnnn. Niiiice taxpayer. Staaaaay. *Don't* go anywhere. > Pleeeeease?" > *** By and large I agree with you, the fears of TotalControl(tm) are largely unfounded. Abuses do exist. Always have. *** These unregulated virtual economies need to conduct trade with ActualPhysicalSpace. The interface is where the control will be exerted. If you can't safely convert your LibertE$ to physical goods their value will be quite low. Participation will be limited. Also, as the TaxAorta becomes occluded the TaxDoctors will have to devote more energy and use more drastic methods to keep the flow going. Mike

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Frankenstein should be avail. for Unix (S-Records)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://vanbc.wimsey.com/~danf/cbm/cross-development.html > $ Cross-32 V2.0 Meta Assembler [DOS] (Universal Cross-Assemblers) > Table-based absolute macro cross assembler using manufacturer's > assembly mnemonics. Supports macros and conditional assembly. > Uses C language arithmetic and logical operators. Includes > tables for 6502, 65C02, 65816 and >40 other CPUs and can be > expanded to even more. Generates Intel hex, Motorola S hex and > binary output. Expensive (~$200). > On-line program information is available. > On-line program information is available. > <http://www.datasynceng.com/c32demo.zip> (demo version) > Frankenstein Cross Assemblers [source,DOS,UNIX] (1990, Mark Zenier) > No macros, relocatable linkers, fancy print controls or > structured control statments. Source code in Yacc and C > included. Executables are called as6502, as65c00 and asr65c00. > On-line program information is available. > On-line program information is available. > Available from the C Users' Group Library, disk #335. > <ftp://ftp.sterling.com/usenet/alt.sources/volume90/Dec/ > 901206.02/3/4, 901209.07/8> > <ftp://ftp.njit.edu/pub/msdos/frankasm/frankasm.zoo> ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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A Motorola site w/ potentialy relevant info (S-Records)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.mcu.motsps.com/freeweb/amcu_ndx.html > as-080.dp 43197 Mar 30 94 Understanding S-Records & Downloading > XASMHC11.MAC 49024 Mar 30 94 This is the Motorola Free cross- > assembler ported to the Mac by Georgia Tech. Use MacBinary to download > this Macintosh application. [Uploaded by Jim Sibigtroth.] > AN1060Q.BAS> 8083 Mar 30 94 This is the BASIC source code for AN1060. > This program allows S-records to be downloaded & programmed into a > M68HC711E9 EPROM/MCU (OTP also). This program was written in > QuickBasic and works with a MAC or a PC. [Uploaded by Jim Sibigtroth.] > as32v1-2.zip 52176 Mar 30 94 Latest rev. of CPU32 Freeware assembler > for PC. Minor bug fixes. Now generates symbol table for BD32 > background mode debugger. > asembler.arc 42839 Mar 30 94 source files for cross assemblers and > doc. > as0.c 214 Mar 30 94 --+ source code for assemblers: > eval.c 4089 Mar 30 94 | source code common to all assemblers > downld.doc 1417 Mar 30 94 1.2 Downloading S-Records Hints (RCV cmd) > downldpc.doc 20075 Mar 30 94 1.4 Download S-Recs w/IBM-PC, > Kermit/ProComm > libsrc11.arc 35692 Mar 30 94 n/a M68HC11 Cross C Compiler Library > Source The above.archive file contains all the library source files > for the HC11 Cross C Compiler (MS-DOS and System V). > sack.sa 651 Mar 30 94 1.1 S-Record Acknowledge Program (Pascal) ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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instruments of liberation (continuing 'fear' thread)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:22 PM 11/1/98 -0800, Tim May wrote: >"Wired News" carried an article reporting on a plan to (somehow) spread Wired recently had pix/columns on Rivest and Schneier. This is how crypto will get into the popmind: through sophisticated deadtrees like this read by propeller heads *and* suits. The Cryptos talk of the economy, of keeping crackers out, of personal privacy. The list of good uses will grow. The Fascistas will be stuck with only their dealers and the vaporrists, vapornappers, vaporophiles they will continue to worship. Eventually, the Sheeple will grok what's being argued over. The rest depends on your optimism level. --Wasted Hellions Trace my Bugs

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CJ Legal Defense
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Larry Dowling, an Austin attorney participating in CJ's legal defense, has engaged me to gather information for CJ's defense. This message and any related correspondence with me is protected as "attorney privileged information." Larry, who does not use E-mail, has asked me to obtain the following information for forwarding to him (Plaintext and ciphertext welcomed; PK below. Your choice as to posting responses to cpunks.) 1. How many people who saw the CJ posting cited by the IRS as a death threat against federal officials took it as a serious threat? See the IRS complaint at: http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm 2. If you answer "yes" to the question 1, then in your opinion are you of sound mind? 3. How many people are willing to help CJ's defense by answering questions and testify concerning his postings? 4. How many cypherpunks (and others) are willing to attend a trial for CJ in Washington State if the government proceeds to trial? For verification of this message here's Larry's contact: Larry J. Dowling Attorney at Law 606 West Eleventh Street Austin, Texas 78701-2007 Tel: (512) 476-8885 Fax: (512) 476-9918 My contact: John Young 251 West 89th Street, Suite 6E New York, NY 1002 Tel: (212) 873-8700 Fax: (212) 799-4003 ----- There are John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> PGP 2.X PKeys on the servers. Here's PGP5.5: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.2 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBDUT1GoRBAD96qrjqMjIZK30XrvsEgsDssidjh4gjxoM3XZwYvjuNqohFUYC W6ktcjtHkITXeCP0leprRByF4LIZZp75JrR/FODnpELnTQwzQ03kD/OTRBl+m2ED /3N4T29KwwKdvEvfoKgJ8UYrAb4nS5F7W26kiKAIslpIIKBSdMCWszoBRwCg/ydS 4PuvY6YJMbHc3Ir0OpW9NZ8EANM9K1c7OKDOQEriJOtYqlwd//qKP2GQLvq7Kdel /fjZRKBDW3vRRJZvNkTpMN44eRz2wJxuQh1Jjqj/RWO7+KkeJF1ftVhWcC3kzmBa 7HX2CXmFX2Y+/Fqk1nyzDh2hD5nDidYS4uDMgNfAKs8WBVqWY9l9rHmX3LvoKIUP WYGWBADFmYF5n+6LMwnrEWJb3/G/LPTz8bupjZAX3pk7JAysJjwet1ZRfN356RuF 8p4ia4BY8evpmwG0ICW0skrzPf6EelOGef7RpQN+4CSTHaF2lsMe4PFfQSI9c7lP vGG74byiiR7V9BpWR6yhsB18FZhrCXkp44HQTFEbqbDbKwB3krQdSm9obiBZb3Vu ZyA8anlhQHBpcGVsaW5lLmNvbT6JAEsEEBECAAsFAjUT1GoECwMCAQAKCRCDRF/O eTbvYJ2pAJ0cPHIxXi8h0tbgWOH9NgPof7uH7QCfee3M2/PHjS59s5KTLHi1qrHu O+m5Ag0ENRPUaxAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK61qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg2gGnVqMU 6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXpF9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvOmeFXklnN /biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2RXscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YAWCvl9Ij9 WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMcfFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtVjLhdONM0 /XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGNfISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZlp+r0ApQ mwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7DVekyCzsAAgIIANDxYVQYe4ZXIS8pYMT5 RyCM1IH8Zl2D29Dem3DpaR8nIaaV7S3MqtQ78m0dH2ae5GeyVEmNl1Hbr0N2SHzi tmAMHqU2wriYsWuczFO+55Qman924+0LHJTykpj6LIzs7C426hkj23nuDc4m4y4n p8wCLg8f4ySWwDHdFNgydRwcgC6M8Z5HqFeCsUFX5KPbZjxmMyD+jzoeKSKtju4D MqTMvbotVDycnjB4P2aXEas1iie4irlgB/bNsQCFQY3KdTJsCkb70KwaK+eAzo5Y iXXREZqK9XsIR65AG5B6jenwziwrTEirCtqDs4gqBt54X/IeKIjJDIYwTmUyxIcW GK2JAEYEGBECAAYFAjUT1GsACgkQg0Rfznk272D76gCg/LOtMsq7I0NnuEp3qr/I qKmOJngAoNPsyKKflQrPkA6LAJfFXVRmRSdx =KgPx -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 23:35:32 -0800 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd) > >Where is 'lawful authority' defined? > > Not sure, but it means that the Feds aren't terrorists if _they_ > threaten or conspire to use weapons of mass destruction, > but you would be if you did. It also probably means that > foreign governments aren't covered here, but foreign NGOs are, > e.g. the IRA. That's truly funny.... "We the people in order to form a more perfect union...." How does the federal government gain priviliges and immunities (ala 16th) that aren't defined in the Constitution or an amendment? (see 9th and 10th) > >> interstate commerce > The standard clause used to give the Feds jurisdiction over things; > given Roosevelt-era courts deciding that a farmer feeding his own grain > to his own hogs affects interstate commerce, surely email or the > World Wide Web counts as interstate, as does killing anybody > who might cross state lines or buy some product that does. > (Of course, given the number of politicians who are for sale, > removing a few of them from the market can pretty legitimately > be called affecting interstate commerce :-) Read the last sentence of the rubber-clause.....any action or law that derives from it is required to respect the remainder of the Constitution in full (simply crossing a state border doesn't annul the Constitution). Since that includes the 9th and 10th (in toto) they have themselves a quandry. Personaly, I would trust an individual handling these technologies before I'd trust a bunch of power-happy gun-toting morons acting in concert who's answer to everything is "my boss told me to do it" and willingly deny their duties as individual citizens in order to play their three-initial games. I saw a comment the other day that the government (those who support these world views I suppose) doesn't trust the people. I wonder why after reading laws that are this poorly constructed. Whatever the hell the intent was it wasn't to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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